YoungGun Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 now that patch 3 is out.. do you guys have to start over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geokes Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Are you going to include an .ini file so we can choose which features we want enabled? Sure man you should have read a bit more lol Almost EVERYTHING will be optional so you choose what you like Cool, sorry reading makes my head hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) now that patch 3 is out.. do you guys have to start over? No but delay for a day or two release to make it compatible with 1.3 patch Cool, sorry reading makes my head hurt LOL okay you knwo now EVERYTHING will be Optional.You can disable it anytime @P_4_CZT1 Not such feature yet would be done already if more people would help on vehicle data..but now it will take a bit more time Edited March 22, 2009 by Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk Russian 9 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I'm still waiting and checking for the world builder . . . WTF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vetra Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 Are you going to include an .ini file so we can choose which features we want enabled? A settings file has been included since the first release. All sub-mods can be tweaked from there. You can also change these settings from the console, or from the mod's settings menu (not complete) How is this working how u get in the tuning mods i firts must discover it ?and where and how to get the caddilac CTS some help plz The vehicle mods isn't made yet Read the official forums. now that patch 3 is out.. do you guys have to start over? Well, it IS incompatible... and we might have to re-build *some* parts of the code. But we won't have to *start over*, so don't worry No but delay for a day or two release to make it compatible with 1.3 patch I don't see any news about mod compatibility with 1.3 yet.. so it might take longer than that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitZoor Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 now i got another problem with girls, seriosly dont call me casanova that one girl is mad at me i think... ehhh gotta sort out some problems, i dont even know whats wrong and whos fault. About the release.. great thing i dont have any ideas, sorry about off topic. "I can help with 3d modelling..." - looks like someone can make "car series" Dude... what the f*ck is wrong with you. You said 4 days ago you were leaving this community, yet you keep posting about your IRL girl issues every day. NOBODY GIVES A f*ck. OT: Will this mod still be released even though the patch f*cked up things pretty bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vetra Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) Will this mod still be released even though the patch f*cked up things pretty bad? Unfortunately, nothing seems to be working with this patch (yet). Most people are choosing the patch over the mod because of performance improvements... (they rather play a game that lags less, instead of a nice modded game that lags) So we're a bit stuck at the moment. We had a small private release, just to test things... there are still some bugs, so we don't know if we should work on that, or work towards a 1.3 compatible version... In terms of World Builder, I have decided to add some features that were planned for the next version, like a brush tool for easily 'painting' things like grass onto a surface, and creating arrays of objects (example: Lets say you want to add a row of 20 wall pieces... you could spawn them one by one (normal method)... or... you can mark a start point and end point, then specify how many items you want in the array, set their direction and a few other things, and then spawn them all at once) We have also decided on how objects will be categorised in World Builder. If you want to review this category structure, or want to add ideas, check the first post at this link: http://forums.vallanavetra.com/software/vi...c.php?f=18&t=94 In terms of the properties sub-mod (which will be used to easily add thousands of new ownable properties with interiors), we have done enough of stage 1 and 2 to be able to start collecting property attributes (stage 3) for the completed stage 2 properties. These attributes will be used to auto-generate interiors according to a system that I'm still designing. There have been questions about performance implications of this... The simple answer is, there are none. I have created a streaming system for this and so far, this has not decreased my frame rate at all. Once we have proven that stage 3 works, we will need at least 50-100 people to help collect data on the rest of the city. EDIT: I have opened up 3 forums to public access. NO REGISTRATION REQUIRED for those three forums. (We can not open the other areas up to public posting, because then we're just going to have problems with people messing around in our working space) No registration required for these: OFFER HELP IDEAS RANDOM (For any random posts you want to make You can vandalise this area as much as you want So, make someone laugh ) Edited March 22, 2009 by Vetra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark008 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) look.... again this kid wanna insult me get a life, and stop being mad at me i didnt say to you anything before, its your fault that ur being so tough here. probably got pissed because ur mom didnt give u tit to suck Hey Vetra, any other plans or new ways to help you? i know i didnt success with markings and car stuff, but is there something else you would need and i could try? i can be just tester, you know, you can give me raw version and i find all the glitches, thats much easier than gather info i think i can take picture of the place where i find bug and put description and find reason which makes the glitch for example. P.M. me alright? ^^ P.S. what about new gun or gun modifications? what about making able to shoot AK47/rocket launcher, etc. when sitting as passenger? i remember it was cool in San Andreas when 3 of ur homies had launchers and spas12 shotguns and they shot cops hellava fire power! Edited March 23, 2009 by mark008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) Hey Vetra, any other plans or new ways to help you? i know i didnt success with markings and car stuff, but is there something else you would need and i could try? i can be just tester, you know, you can give me raw version and i find all the glitches, thats much easier than gather info i think i can take picture of the place where i find bug and put description and find reason which makes the glitch for example. P.M. me alright? ^^ P.S. what about new gun or gun modifications? what about making able to shoot AK47/rocket launcher, etc. when sitting as passenger? i remember it was cool in San Andreas when 3 of ur homies had launchers and spas12 shotguns and they shot cops hellava fire power! Yes mark you probably can grab beta version of builder even now to test Because it has already been released for testing reasons only!!! Yea its planed you and others will have ability to shoot two handed weapons if not driving And mark do stay on topic like now lol Edited March 23, 2009 by Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rap918 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 damn, f*cking awesome @Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia: you live in Serbia???? you mean Republic of Srpska, maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark008 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 didnt see anywhere it to be released (as a beta)... oh well... im going to chill... kill zombies. P.M. me the link for beta then, alright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50Groszy Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) Hi, I know there isn't any way to convert 3D models to GTA IV right now but I'd like to help with thouse I can make 3D models and some 2D work There is some of my projects : http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f...2postproks7.png If you have any work for me ,I'm glad to help (sorry for my english) my mail [email protected] Edited March 24, 2009 by 50Groszy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) Hi, I know there isn't any way to convert 3D models to GTA IV right now but I'd like to help with thouse I can make 3D models and some 2D work There is some of my projects : http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f...2postproks7.png If you have any work for me ,I'm glad to help (sorry for my english) my mail [email protected] Thanks for offering help man We will definitely need such work Vetra will contact you amn, f*cking awesome icon14.gif @Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia: you live in Serbia???? you mean Republic of Srpska, maybe mercie_blink.gif You bet its f*cking awesome Not republic of Srpska,but Serbia man Anyway I am Serbian,why are you asking and so confused didnt see anywhere it to be released (as a beta)... oh well... im going to chill... kill zombies. smile.gif P.M. me the link for beta then, alright? You got it mark,you will have your beta Edited March 24, 2009 by Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinn Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 cant you guys just release this beta to all of us? It will probably take a while till the next complete version tnx to patch 1.0.3, but then at least we can have some fun already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjcoolj91 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 so whats so good about this BETA ? can someone enlighten whats in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinn Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 We had a small private release, just to test things Thats what it is. Nothing particularly special about it, im just hoping they will release it for us too so we can sample a bit of the mod before its ready for a real release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna&I Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 We need more people to offer help. It won't be a long gap from this beta test to the real release if more people would help with the project. I mean it is so many things this overhaul will do that it is amazing , but the only way for some of these options to make it in their planned glory is for more people to jump on board. Everyone wants to help "Test" the trainer , but not help collect data for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinn Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) We need more people to offer help. It won't be a long gap from this beta test to the real release if more people would help with the project. I mean it is so many things this overhaul will do that it is amazing , but the only way for some of these options to make it in their planned glory is for more people to jump on board. Everyone wants to help "Test" the trainer , but not help collect data for it. But a lot of people helped out too, even if its just a bit. We would like to get something back for that. The longer you wait to release anything, the smaller the number of people that helps out gets. You could have for example released a new version of the car save thing weeks ago. But all you keep do is saying "we cant release because you dont help". Edited March 25, 2009 by Sinn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna&I Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) We need more people to offer help. It won't be a long gap from this beta test to the real release if more people would help with the project. I mean it is so many things this overhaul will do that it is amazing , but the only way for some of these options to make it in their planned glory is for more people to jump on board. Everyone wants to help "Test" the trainer , but not help collect data for it. But a lot of people helped out too, even if its just a bit. We would like to get something back for that. The longer you wait to release anything, the smaller the number of people that helps out gets. You could have for example released a new version of the car save thing weeks ago. But all you keep do is saying "we cant release because you dont help". I am sorry if I came off a little condemning with my last post , but I never once said that they are not releasing because no one helps. I stated that if more people help it will rapidly push up the release date on the final version. I myself have not even tried out this beta test. I am guessing it is a small release for those who first came together for the project. I am sure something will be out for the rest of us sooner or later. Edited March 25, 2009 by Anna&I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealPcGamer Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Well, good luck with your mod, it's too hard for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinn Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I am sorry if I came off a little condemning with my last post , but I never once said that they are not releasing because no one helps. I stated that if more people help it will rapidly push up the release date on the final version. I myself have not even tried out this beta test. I am guessing it is a small release for those who first came together for the project. I am sure something will be out for the rest of us sooner or later. It wasnt just aimed at you, and my post wasnt meant as angry as it sounds. I still really love this mod and when i have time will continue to help you guys. Anyways, i know that of course it will go faster when more people help, however people wont continue to help if they never see any results. My suggestion is to make more small releases i.e. release a alpha of the object spawner, or something like that. Also, i wouldnt count on any more help, i dont think there will be a lot more people that will help. (Doesnt mean you should stop asking though) Most people just want to play mods, not do anything more than download it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna&I Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I am sorry if I came off a little condemning with my last post , but I never once said that they are not releasing because no one helps. I stated that if more people help it will rapidly push up the release date on the final version. I myself have not even tried out this beta test. I am guessing it is a small release for those who first came together for the project. I am sure something will be out for the rest of us sooner or later. It wasnt just aimed at you, and my post wasnt meant as angry as it sounds. I still really love this mod and when i have time will continue to help you guys. Anyways, i know that of course it will go faster when more people help, however people wont continue to help if they never see any results. My suggestion is to make more small releases i.e. release a alpha of the object spawner, or something like that. Also, i wouldnt count on any more help, i dont think there will be a lot more people that will help. (Doesnt mean you should stop asking though) Most people just want to play mods, not do anything more than download it. I understand. One thing about the internet is that the message is read inside someone's head and can be perceived wrong. I agree with what you said a teaser would not hurt and might catch the attention of others and convince them to help. I also feel as you do that those who want to help are helping and those who don't won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinn Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Yes indeed, thats really annoying about text. Maybe Vetra could even just make a new movie, you know, just show us some more of the mod. Id love to see more of the world builder in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) I am sorry if I came off a little condemning with my last post , but I never once said that they are not releasing because no one helps. I stated that if more people help it will rapidly push up the release date on the final version. I myself have not even tried out this beta test. I am guessing it is a small release for those who first came together for the project. I am sure something will be out for the rest of us sooner or later. It wasnt just aimed at you, and my post wasnt meant as angry as it sounds. I still really love this mod and when i have time will continue to help you guys. Anyways, i know that of course it will go faster when more people help, however people wont continue to help if they never see any results. My suggestion is to make more small releases i.e. release a alpha of the object spawner, or something like that. Also, i wouldnt count on any more help, i dont think there will be a lot more people that will help. (Doesnt mean you should stop asking though) Most people just want to play mods, not do anything more than download it. I understand. One thing about the internet is that the message is read inside someone's head and can be perceived wrong. I agree with what you said a teaser would not hurt and might catch the attention of others and convince them to help. I also feel as you do that those who want to help are helping and those who don't won't. Hey everyone interested in beta can leave a post in site or message me, I think it can be provided to some.Only not that many features for now,like about buildings church you can spawn plus objects of course ,but much more is done that's not in beta Vetra is working hard on Assets,residential and specially gang system so it get out as soon as possible One thing is certain.we do need more helpers for sooner release but nobody says that will make the mod stop,on contrary much better beta with gangs will get out soon but we really hope then more people will help to make it further so whats so good about this BETA ? can someone enlighten whats in it In this particular beta is beta world editor with objects and some buildings able to spawn and vehicle varieties,fuel and tracker so you can park anywhere Well, good luck with your mod, it's too hard for me Thanks man It isn't actually only basic data gathering but no matter check soon for beta Edited March 25, 2009 by Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk Russian 9 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 If possible, I'd like to beta test world builder. Does the beta support 1.3 BTW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTKRickJames Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 also it seems a little early but its a good thing because i dont have to wait and in time this will become old and somthing new will replace it WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinn Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 If possible, I'd like to beta test world builder. Does the beta support 1.3 BTW? No, i dont believe there is any mod that does yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vetra Posted March 26, 2009 Author Share Posted March 26, 2009 (edited) didnt see anywhere it to be released (as a beta)... oh well... im going to chill... kill zombies. P.M. me the link for beta then, alright? Will do. Until now, it was just a private release. Only my PRs/moderators got to test it out because they have been following it's progress closely, and they know that most of the progress is background stuff which can't actually be seen yet. Progress: World Builder is working, but we don't have any sortable lists yet. That's one of the main reasons why we haven't released a beta. Trust me, no GUI and 26000 spawnable objects with no search... it's not easy (I need to also improve the controls...) I'm in the process of getting a GUI for it, which is based on my GUI, HazardX's GUI (not released yet) and a 3rd GUI, which tylerp9p has made a wrapper for, but I just don't understand it yet (I'm a mobile programmer. Unmanaged DLLs are not my thing ) (BTW, If I figure out how to use bluetooth with .Net, I will be able to connect a real cellphone to the game, and allow numbers to be dialed from that, including lots of extra stuff that can't be done with the game cellphone ) There has been major work done to all the controllers (I basically re-made everything, which accounts for most of the delay) but it all runs on a better system now. (see: http://forums.vallanavetra.com/software/vi...31628e8b58b52a) I have fixed all the bugs from the previous releases, like malfunctions in vehicle tracker (where it didn't track some vehicles properly) It was actually related to R*'s lack of consistency in terms of naming their vehicles. Some vehicles had 2 different spellings, so it caused a little problem. (I didn't want to use hashes at that stage because I wanted to see what was saving... but I'm using hashes now ) Also, all the databases were completely re-made. Example, the vehicles database is now able to store variants of each vehicle. The fuel database (and others) stores data like this too. Vehicle tracker needed some major modifications to support this system. You can see the full details of the vehicle when you enter it... but that is it for now. We will add custom performance when I figure that out. The biggest part so far, is the real estate controller. This system will allow for basically every property in the game to be ownable (you can own an entire property or just rent rooms), functional (you can start businesses of your choice in them or get rent from apartments etc) and also can have functional interiors (these are created by just a few lines of info). I have large sections of this already... so a beta of this will be coming soon (I hope). (see: http://forums.vallanavetra.com/software/vi...130&p=568#p568) I'm almost ready to start some work on gangs (but this is dependant on real estate, so I need to do that first) (you can get an idea of how big the gangs system will be, by looking at the real estate specs ) (features list: http://forums.vallanavetra.com/software/vi...31628e8b58b52a) Please note, this isn't all the features... I just add to that when I have time, so most of it is missing. I can make 3D models and some 2D work We can't use 3D models yet, but what kind of 2D work can you do? Texturing etc? cant you guys just release this beta to all of us? It will probably take a while till the next complete version tnx to patch 1.0.3, but then at least we can have some fun already Okay, I'll make a link to the private beta on the other site soon. Just need to sort out some bugs that were found in this beta so whats so good about this BETA ? can someone enlighten whats in it Mostly the beta for World Builder... see the orange text. We need more people to offer help. It won't be a long gap from this beta test to the real release if more people would help with the project. I mean it is so many things this overhaul will do that it is amazing , but the only way for some of these options to make it in their planned glory is for more people to jump on board. Everyone wants to help "Test" the trainer , but not help collect data for it. True. For example, with world builder, I have made 26012 objects available for spawning... but... we need to categorise it for easy use. This would be really easy if maybe 100 people offered to help with this. 26000/100=260 per person, which is easy. GTAForums gets about 3000 people per day. We have 20,000 views on this topic already, and 30,000 on the dedicated forum. But most people are too lazy to help... You could have for example released a new version of the car save thing weeks ago. I couldn't. See what I said about the databases... I had to upgrade everything at once, else it doesn't work at all. But all you keep do is saying "we cant release because you dont help" Seriously, most of this stuff doesn't work without the data. Remove GTA4's data and see what happens I am guessing it is a small release for those who first came together for the project. I am sure something will be out for the rest of us sooner or later. Actually, I just released it to people that would understand that at this point, you can't see everything yet I didn't want to disappoint the rest of you. I have to make the infrastructure for everything first, then it would be easy to make the really complex things like smart gangs. Well, good luck with your mod, it's too hard for me There are simple things to help with PM me and I'll show you the easy stuff that you can help with however people wont continue to help if they never see any results. My suggestion is to make more small releases i.e. release a alpha of the object spawner, or something like that That's the problem when you're still making infrastructure (this stage of the mod)... there aren't any visible results until you make the things that use this infrastructure. Example, vehicle tracker is 'infrastructure'. With that, I can *easily* attach more features like storing stuff in the trunk without having to re-program all of that seperately. Also, the fuel mod attaches itself to vehicle tracker. All it has to do is add variables that's all. This infrastructure is meant to make any extra features really simple to make. Once the infrastructure is done, trust me, there will releases every second day Maybe Vetra could even just make a new movie, you know, just show us some more of the mod. Id love to see more of the world builder in action. I would love to do that too, but I'm in South Africa and internet is really expensive here (we have almost the most expensive internet on the planet ) I have to pay service provider fees (there is only one provider, named Telkom, so they have absolute monopoly), line rental fees, and also I have to pay for each MB that i download/upload. So uploading even a little video is a bit expensive and really slow, plus I have a limit to how much I can download/upload per month... after that limit, I get disconnected until the next month. Hey everyone interested in beta can leave a post in site or message me, I think it can be provided to some. Hold on Nikkola, I'll release a fixed one... In this particular beta is beta world editor with objects and some buildings able to spawn Yeah, the beta I gave you had about 20 objects I disabled the other 26000 objects If possible, I'd like to beta test world builder.Does the beta support 1.3 BTW? I'll release it soon. Probably today. No, it's completely incompatible with 1.3 also it seems a little early but its a good thing because i dont have to wait and in time this will become old and somthing new will replace it He means like how people are still modding GTA3, VC and SA... it's old. Let it rest in peace Edited March 26, 2009 by Vetra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50Groszy Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 We can't use 3D models yet, but what kind of 2D work can you do? Texturing etc? Yes i can do some texturing work .....i can try, because i don't do it before on GTA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vetra Posted March 26, 2009 Author Share Posted March 26, 2009 We can't use 3D models yet, but what kind of 2D work can you do? Texturing etc? Yes i can do some texturing work .....i can try, because i don't do it before on GTA. Maybe you can create new textures for shop signs etc once we have our business system working Play around with GTA4 textures and tell me when you are familiar with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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