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Athena

TLAD will make it to another platform IMHO

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GuruAskew

 

You make out that this "exclusive" deal with Microsoft is the first contract to ever be signed for 50 million dollars. YOU, sir, are the delusional one if you believe that the game will stay exclusive indefinately!

 

Find me a single example of any video game having an exclusivity deal that cost more than $50 million. I could really give you a hard time and challenge you to find a case of DLC but I'm not going to do that.

 

Any game. In the entire history of video gaming.

 

Get at it.

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MrKlorox

We'll see. I've not missed one prediction with GTA4 yet.

 

Rockstar is an asshole when it comes to honest PR.

 

You're gonna feel like a massive douche, GuruAskew, when the news comes.

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GuruAskew

 

We'll see. I've not missed one prediction with GTA4 yet.

 

Rockstar is an asshole when it comes to honest PR.

 

You're gonna feel like a massive douche, GuruAskew, when the news comes.

 

You must feel like a massive douche sitting here doubting official Microsoft and Rockstar sources and whining while other people are playing the game you want to be playing.

 

Also, I can't believe you just suggested that you're a more credible source than the producer of the PC version. That's pure balls right there.

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MrKlorox

Guess what? I don't, mister non-sequitur. There you go making sh*tty, false assumptions with no merit. For your minuscule noggin: I DO have TLAD, genius.

 

My balls would make Umberto proud.

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You make out that this "exclusive" deal with Microsoft is the first contract to ever be signed for 50 million dollars. YOU, sir, are the delusional one if you believe that the game will stay exclusive indefinately!

 

Find me a single example of any video game having an exclusivity deal that cost more than $50 million. I could really give you a hard time and challenge you to find a case of DLC but I'm not going to do that.

 

Any game. In the entire history of video gaming.

 

Get at it.

you just proved how ignorant you are - where in that quote do i mention video games? NO WHERE!

 

Can i ask why you really care so much if PS3 owners receive the content?

 

Only time will tell and i really believe i have a greater understanding of business practice than you. You can't even admit that there is a possibility that it may not stay exclusive.

 

All your arguement is, is 50 million dollars.

 

but..... 50 million dollars...... but.... 50 million dollars.

 

I have a bit of news for you - MS payed 50 million dollars for 2 DLC episodes.... 50,000,000 / 2 = 25,000,000.

 

25,000,000 dollars sounds like a lot to simpletons like us who will never even see that much money let alone own that much. but it is NOT enough for a company like R* to keep the DLC exclusive FOREVER. Think how much more money they would make with PC and PS3 people paying for the DLC. I think it would equate to a LOT more than 25 million dollars an episode.

 

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GTA3Freak-2001
You make out that this "exclusive" deal with Microsoft is the first contract to ever be signed for 50 million dollars. YOU, sir, are the delusional one if you believe that the game will stay exclusive indefinately!

 

Find me a single example of any video game having an exclusivity deal that cost more than $50 million. I could really give you a hard time and challenge you to find a case of DLC but I'm not going to do that.

 

Any game. In the entire history of video gaming.

 

Get at it.

Given that no exclusivity contracts have ever been made public its a bit hard for you to then claim there haven't been any deals involving more the $50 million because the fact is there "could" have been. None of us know for sure.

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We'll see. I've not missed one prediction with GTA4 yet.

 

Rockstar is an asshole when it comes to honest PR.

 

You're gonna feel like a massive douche, GuruAskew, when the news comes.

 

You must feel like a massive douche sitting here doubting official Microsoft and Rockstar sources and whining while other people are playing the game you want to be playing.

 

Also, I can't believe you just suggested that you're a more credible source than the producer of the PC version. That's pure balls right there.

HAHAHA - I think MrKlorox is just fed up with people being such dick heads about something so lame. Wake up "guru" of absolutely nothing!

 

If the game is so good what the f*ck are you doing on a forum wasting your time coming up with stupid lame rebuttals? you already own it so who cares if it stays exclusive?

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Snitchem

Its probably a timed exclusive.

 

 

Remember back in the day when GTA 3 and Vice City were PS2 exclusive? Then outta nowhere they came out with a two for one GTA double disc (GTA 3, GTA VC). This was because Sony signed a timed exclusive deal with Rockstar.

 

 

Rockstar also said they planned to release DLC before GTA 4 was even in production. Some rockstar dude said this in a interview about Lost and Damned, I watched it on Gametrailers.com it was with Geoff Keighley, and was gonna link but I cant find it.

 

 

 

I'm guessing 12-16 months after they release the second GTA 4 expansion they will announce it for all platforms.

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Slamman, its not up to anyone at Rockstar, MS paid the money, and they got the rights to the two episodes. Even if a release was timed, MS are going to want to keep it for at least a couple of years, by which time V may be out.

 

I must add, as Im playing through TLAD, PS3 owners really arent missing out on much at all IMO. Not many will agree, but Im feeling like the more money I spend on GTA, the less I get for it.

I'm not sure what your smoking, but it must be good to forget every impovement that came with each GTA release. The only releases that I felt weren't up to PAR were Vice and Liberty City Stories, and thats only because there were more of a expansion pack, but they still added great depth to the storyline. If your going to kick the GTA series in the nuts like that I feel you need to explain more.

 

Also, the DLC was worth it and once the second DLC comes out the whole story will be amazing to see from 3 points of view.

 

Lastly you guys forget the awesome company that is Rockstar and the greart creative minds of the Housers. If anything is released for PS3 I bet it would be a new storyline or another hidden underworld of the city

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smeagol

we dont know much details about the contract R* signed, but who says there wont be a DLC #3?

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Leo Colt

 

Its probably a timed exclusive.

 

 

Remember back in the day when GTA 3 and Vice City were PS2 exclusive?  Then outta nowhere they came out with a two for one GTA double disc (GTA 3, GTA VC).  This was because Sony signed a timed exclusive deal with Rockstar.

 

 

Rockstar also said they planned to release DLC before GTA 4 was even in production.  Some rockstar dude said this in a interview about Lost and Damned, I watched it on Gametrailers.com it was with Geoff Keighley, and was gonna link but I cant find it.

 

 

 

I'm guessing 12-16 months after they release the second GTA 4 expansion they will announce it for all platforms.

And remember the days when LCS and VCS were Sony-exclusive? Oh wait, they still are. There is no reason why this instance can't be Microsoft-exclusive. I agree with the comment that the only people branding this a timed exclusive are the ones who want it to be a timed exclusive. $50 million is an absurdly large amount of money for an exclusive, and DLC. You don't pay that sum just for this content to appear on the competitor's console six months later. That's not how business works. I'm sure all sorts of guarantees had to be in place before Microsoft coughed up.

 

 

Has anyone ever thought to look at the "Exclusivity" of the original GTA's?

 

I read somewhere that Rockstar (DMA back then i believe) signed a 9 game contract with SONY - obviously IV is the 10th title - so the exclusive contract had run out just previous to the release of IV, the whole reason behind the stories games was to bring 7 GTA titles up to 9 GTA titles..... Hence there being no SA stories released because Rockstar couldn't give a sh*t.

Actually, only eight seven titles were released as timed exclusives on Sony consoles.

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Snitchem

 

And remember the days when LCS and VCS were Sony-exclusive? Oh wait, they still are.

 

 

 

What other platforms could they release them on?

 

1. Nintendo DS can't handle those games.

 

2. Original Xbox was cut short too soon for a port.

 

3. They wouldn't even try to pass that as a Xbox 360 title.

 

 

 

 

And that is why LCS and VSC are still on Sony's platforms.

 

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BioVirus

You guys comparing old examples to this one are forgetting ONE BIG DETAIL

 

None of those Sony Grand Theft Auto exclusives paid RockStar 50 MILLION dollars to be an exclusive and give publishing rights to MICROSOFT.

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GTA3Freak-2001
You guys comparing old examples to this one are forgetting ONE BIG DETAIL

 

None of those Sony Grand Theft Auto exclusives paid RockStar 50 MILLION dollars to be an exclusive and give publishing rights to MICROSOFT.

How do you know sums of money weren't part of the previous console exclusive contracts?

 

Why is it people think Microsoft is the first video game company to pay another company money to secure an exclusive deal?

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BioVirus
You guys comparing old examples to this one are forgetting ONE BIG DETAIL

 

None of those Sony Grand Theft Auto exclusives paid RockStar 50 MILLION dollars to be an exclusive and give publishing rights to MICROSOFT.

How do you know sums of money weren't part of the previous console exclusive contracts?

 

Why is it people think Microsoft is the first video game company to pay another company money to secure an exclusive deal?

where is your proof to back up your claims?

 

we know nothing of this you speak of.

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GTA3Freak-2001
You guys comparing old examples to this one are forgetting ONE BIG DETAIL

 

None of those Sony Grand Theft Auto exclusives paid RockStar 50 MILLION dollars to be an exclusive and give publishing rights to MICROSOFT.

How do you know sums of money weren't part of the previous console exclusive contracts?

 

Why is it people think Microsoft is the first video game company to pay another company money to secure an exclusive deal?

where is your proof to back up your claims?

 

we know nothing of this you speak of.

Hahaha same can be asked of you, no-one knows so my assumptions are just as invalid as your own.

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BioVirus

Incorrect, I said Sony never paid Rockstar 50 million to have exclusive rights to any Grand Theft Auto game and I am right. I am saying there are a total of -ZERO- GTA games where Sony paid 50 million (or even close to it) for exclusivity.

 

You tried to say Sony did pay Rockstar 50 million, but you haven't provided any proof that they did. All you need is ONE source to prove your point, but you have none.

 

The most you have is wishful thinking. Cite sources to back up your claims if you want to make it sound like Sony paid anywhere close to 50 million for exclusive GTA rights.

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Still, you've got a point Freak. And Sony, not being the type of company to wave it around and brag about it, and because it probably cost way more to lock in the whole game titles and not just some expansions...

 

Rockstar probably got their devkits free for III and then were paid hefty sums for the following games. This time around, there was no need, as Sony is only just now getting to the point where they are "competing", per say. They came out a year later, they slowly built to where they are now, and granted, who knows where sony will end up at the end of this generation of SKUs? The solid fact though is that Microsoft had a larger user base, and it was the exact reason Rockstar said they went with them for exclusive episodes.

 

Imagine where things would be if PS3 got them, though. Truth is, if we all remember the state of PS3 development at the time IV was about to be announced, let alone released, Rockstar themselves probably didn't even know how the PS3 version would do. But it's a given: Triple A titles = triple a sales on the XBox360, they just have that many fans.

 

The fact rockstar signed on for an exclusive title on PS3 (still unknown the name, will be a new IP) shows brightness for PS3. And wouldn't you know it, they pretty much announced that game a year after episodes were announced for 360 only. I think it's important to point that out because Rockstar has been pretty unique in helping me to map out "the state of gaming", personally.

 

I don't think these episodes are the same as the old games, though. I think Live content, is Live content. Period. I could be wrong, but I think these are Live Games added to Rockstar games, not just expansions to a rockstar game.

 

That said, PC, maybe, PS3? Probably not. They'll get the exclusive announcement at-around-about the time that episode 2 is getting a press buzz.

 

And BioVirus: You are talking out of your ass. Sony paid for those games, just like Microsoft paid for this content. No One talked about that kind of sh*t back then. Game Journalism as an industry is still a frikken infant. And society wasn't so "glamour gamer" back then either. And Microsoft and Sony were not bitter by then.

 

Rockstar got money PER PS2 sold, and I won't go look, but they did, now that I remember it, they got paid per SKU sold - not just for the games, they made money for every PS2 sold since the release of GTA III during periods of exclusivity for this game series - it sold that many more than any other game on the console... someone, please come with a link to what I read about that...

 

Rockstar's ties to sony are like shoes ties to laces.

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BioVirus

It's easy to tell a non-360 owner (usually PS3 owner) just by reading the posts with all the cussing, moaning, and whining.

 

Oh, and that game that RockStar is making for Sony, was announced in like January-April 2007 and nobody ever heard a thing since.

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chngdman

There is no minimal cussing, moaning, nor whining in my post. And I don't own, nor do I want, a console. They are not good for the industry as a whole.

 

old news:

 

 

Jeff Lapin initially wouldn't comment on whether the game would be a Grand Theft Auto title, but later said the exclusivity deal between Rockstar and Sony would not allow Grand Theft Auto games to appear on any other platforms … but that deal has since been amended.

 

They paid. Per SKU sold. Amended. That does not mean abolished or ended. It means new rules were added. Sony probably gets paid every time a GTA title sells on a microsoft platform, dude lol.

 

In fact, I wonder now, how much of that 50 mil went straight to Sony. That's probably why the guy seemed so angry about it when he showed his fake GTA tattoo. Because he knew they were paying out the ass for something they would literally have died without: GTA on their platforms from launch.

 

All speculation, but I'm looking, oh, I am looking, for "sources" to "cite", and I will find the one, I tell you, I will!

 

 

IGN spoke with Rockstar Games officials, but no more information was revealed. GTA: San Andreas completes Rockstar's exclusivity arrangement with Sony Computer Entertainment, which was modified last year to permit GTA III and GTA Vice City to appear on Xbox last fall. Thus, we suspect GTA: San Andreas might very well appear on Xbox one year after the fall 2004 PS2 release in fall 2005.

 

source: http://ps2.ign.com/articles/495/495767p1.html

 

Basically, Sony got paid for every copy sold, whether it was on their platform or not. Because they allowed it. And what do you think got them that privilaged? They said please? Please. They paid their asses out for this contract. They funded what you now call Rockstar Games. Because the deal was that lucrative for both parties. Exclusivity may have ended, but only because they allowed it to.

 

And I just read in my search and finally understand why Sony let it happen: Instead of locking people out of games which is SO last gen, lol, they said they'd rather pour the money into new content for their users. Which makes it obvious they paid last time, and this time, they want everyone to get to play (probably because of how much money they made on top of their PS2 profits by letting rockstar sell the games on 360 and PC)

 

I won't let you down, bud, I will find that article that outlines just how serious Sony's stake is, and how much they gave Rockstar for it (you know, how Rockstar got paid for every Ps2 sold, even if it wasn't bundled with GTA)

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BioVirus

Original release date for San Andreas on PS2 : October 26, 2004

 

RockStar announces GTA : San Andreas coming to XBOX and PC : Dec. 17, 2004

 

Release date for San Andreas on XBOX : June 7, 2005

 

Everyone knew San Andreas was coming to the XBOX within 2 months. RockStar was already working on it. This is because San Andreas was a TIMED exclusive. It was widely reported and known that the port was coming to the XBOX but the PS2 was getting it first.

 

The Lost and the Damned has been SPECIFICALLY STATED by Rockstar as being "360 only" and that there are 'no plans' for a PS3 release.

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chngdman

You didn't even read that first post, did you? These episodes are Live content. That means exclusive to Live, not to xbox. Live is PC and Xbox. If Microsoft wants the money, they will allow their contract to be amended to support PS3 users. If they care. They probably don't. But make no mistake, all three companies involved made money off of TL&D. I can't prove it yet, but I'm looking, because I wouldn't say it if I haven't read it. Sony is more involved with the property than it may seem.

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BioVirus

Microsoft paid for HALF of the cost to make GTA IV, it cost 100 million to make GTA IV and Microsoft paid 50million of that.

 

If you think for ONE SECOND that Microsoft is going to allow the PS3 to get exclusive content for some extra pennies, HAH! Keep waiting. Microsoft is out to crush the PS3 and win a legion of loyal fans.

 

They are winning. Fallout 3 exclusive DLC and now GTA IV exclusive DLC. Tons of fans are noticing that Microsoft gives it's players the best money can buy smile.gif

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chngdman

Listen to yourself, you are basically saying segregation is good. Microsoft is hurting the gaming community as a whole in a selfish battle, while Sony thinks it is not right to lock people out and segregate people from the experience. If you ask me, you are rooting for Hitler. And it's the same answer anyone else will give you that knows the difference between consoles, PCs, and what they mean to gaming as an industry. If you want to know why the world is so f*cked up, just track the history of gaming, who is doing what these days, and notice one very important thing: Every other industry suffered the same fate. in this case, you watched it happen in mere years, while other industries took generations to be stolen. Go ahead, root for whichever closed-format you prefer - you are killing freedom and helping them to take away physical storage and local copies.

 

And you really really have serious problems with reading comprehension.

 

YOU are the one who said Sony didn't pay for the exclusives, now you say otherwise? You're a real card, dude. You contradict yourself just to be "right". Well, go ahead, you can be right while we walk right out the door on your sorry attempts.

 

This whole thing has my mind f*cked and I don't know what parts to point out about your claims. Granted, only some of my statements are fact and most are speculation, but you talk sh*t, switch your story, then flop back.

 

end of the day, Nothing 3RD Party Is Ever Truly Exclusive. Period.

 

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/11/02/sony-uk-...ever-exclusive/

 

 

This silence was recently broken by Sony UK managing director Ray Maguire, who, in an interview with VideoGamer.com, stated, "nothing is ever exclusive." Maguire explained that while the competition had spent "a large amount of money" to purchase exclusive DLC rights for "a period of time", Sony had chosen to funnel their money into research and development, as well as the production of titles such as LittleBigPlanet.

 

They NEVER said "period of time" for the ps2 games, but that's what they were. And that is what the Xbox exclusivity is: A period of time. They even said the PS2 games will NEVER go to other platforms, when all along, it was a Period Of Time.

 

Read'em and weap:

 

 

There’s still no sign of it appearing on the Xbox 360 (it was due before Christmas, remember Rockstar?). But Grand Theft Auto IV’s downloadable content (DLC) will be coming to the PS3 eventually. As will other supposedly “exclusive” content DLC for the 360, like that for Fallout 3 and Tomb Raider: Underworld. According to Ray Maguire, Sony Computer Entertainment UK’s Managing Director.

 

In an interview with Videogamer.com, Maguire (speaking at the Games 3.0 conference in London) said: “Nothing is ever exclusive. Things get wrapped up for a period of time for a large amount of money.” Maguire’s comments follow similar comments made by Sony Europe boss David Reeve, who said GTA IV DLC will “probably” make it to the PS3.

 

Maguire also said that the days of Sony bagging exclusives were over as far as he was concerned: “I would much rather that we were investing money into making sure that we’ve got great R&D and we start producing games like LittleBigPlanet, rather than paying other people a huge amount of money to stop people playing their product.

 

http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2008/10/30/so...heading-to-ps3/

 

Yea, now which company cares about it's users? it's not even about that. You want to be right, and you are not. I took it personally because I can only imagine how many people are out there thinking, from this topic alone, that there is something special about this whole ordeal. There is not, lol. I dunno, maybe these companies do this just to seperate the savvy from the presumptuous.

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motorforum
I'm guessing 12-16 months after they release the second GTA 4 expansion they will announce it for all platforms.

So, who will still be playing GTA iV 12-16 months after the DLC2 drops in the current 'fall 2009' time slot? In 2011, I'd expect there to be a new Xbox and GTA V should be in development by then.

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chngdman

I'll still be playing IV and the two other titles that come out on this platform until 2012, actually, which is when you will see V, Christmas, just before the fake end of the world. And the game itself will scare the living sh*t out of us. ph34r.gif

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BioVirus

LOL at quoting a SONY EXECUTIVE LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

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chngdman

You asked for a source, dude. You got a few. End of the day, only time will tell.

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gta 4 gamer
Show me the contract paper please. I guess you have a copy don't ya GuraAskew?

 

There's absolutely no shred of evidence to suggest PS3 will ever get it and all signs point to that never happening.

There is also no shred of evidence that any 360 fanboy has seen the contract paper.(Unless its a M$ or R* employee.)

Sure some m$ workers said "Hey it wont get to the ps3 console, please f*ck off." But what he is not saying is it probably is a timed exclusive. R* ain't dumb. 2/3 of their fans(PC and ps3) fans not getting DLC is a huge loss for R*. Maybe a bigger loss than the $50 million m$ paid. I am sure somewhere in that contract it says timed exclusive.

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Show me the contract paper please. I guess you have a copy don't ya GuraAskew?

 

There's absolutely no shred of evidence to suggest PS3 will ever get it and all signs point to that never happening.

There is also no shred of evidence that any 360 fanboy has seen the contract paper.(Unless its a M$ or R* employee.)

Sure some m$ workers said "Hey it wont get to the ps3 console, please f*ck off." But what he is not saying is it probably is a timed exclusive. R* ain't dumb. 2/3 of their fans(PC and ps3) fans not getting DLC is a huge loss for R*. Maybe a bigger loss than the $50 million m$ paid. I am sure somewhere in that contract it says timed exclusive.

RockStar themselves said there are 'no plans' on the DLC ever going to the PS3.

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