The Notorious MOB Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I wonder will it be explained in DLC 2 how the AOD got the heroin from the Triads?? I believe the Angels of Death bought it off of them in a legitimate drugs deal. I'm pretty sure it mentioned somewhere that they were supplied by the Triads. Yeah I thought that but then I heard elsewhere that they stole it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marv W Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 A truck can carry two tons max. A van maybe half a ton to 1. The heroin was in a van and wouldn't of even filled up all the van given the point about the sanches in there or that they wanted to hide the heroin. Look at my torres cartel point as well. surely that depends on the size of your truck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgtafan Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Hey theres one thing in TLAD that I think got left out. What happened to the 2 million that Johnny got from the Diamond deal anyway? I mean he only go like 10000 dollars from that. Also someone way earlier said we might see Huang but he didn't arrive in Liberty unitl Feb 2009 and all of this takes place in April 2008. Though we might see his Uncle Kenny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versityle Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Hey theres one thing in TLAD that I think got left out. What happened to the 2 million that Johnny got from the Diamond deal anyway? I mean he only go like 10000 dollars from that. Also someone way earlier said we might see Huang but he didn't arrive in Liberty unitl Feb 2009 and all of this takes place in April 2008. Though we might see his Uncle Kenny. I think they just kept it and distributed it amongst each other. After when Phil and Ray sent Niko to kill Jim and the other biker, Johnny wasn't amongst the group and therefore they never got the money back so yeah, they probably kept it, Johnny suceeded in ripping them off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiIIiam Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 This is great! A LOT of my questions were answered. Good job El Zilcho, it's massive and full of great detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SovietWarrior42 Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Hey theres one thing in TLAD that I think got left out. What happened to the 2 million that Johnny got from the Diamond deal anyway? I mean he only go like 10000 dollars from that. I believe he gave it to Jim, and then it got lost in the subway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Hey theres one thing in TLAD that I think got left out. What happened to the 2 million that Johnny got from the Diamond deal anyway? I mean he only go like 10000 dollars from that. I believe he gave it to Jim, and then it got lost in the subway. I thought it was a given that Ray took it off Jim when he captured him. Or maybe that was just an assumption on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SovietWarrior42 Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 If I remember correctly, after Jim gets free, Johnny gives him the cash where Niko goes to during No Way on the Subway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versityle Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 (edited) Hey theres one thing in TLAD that I think got left out. What happened to the 2 million that Johnny got from the Diamond deal anyway? I mean he only go like 10000 dollars from that. I believe he gave it to Jim, and then it got lost in the subway. I thought it was a given that Ray took it off Jim when he captured him. Or maybe that was just an assumption on my part. If he took it off Jim what was the point of him interigating he and Johnny. Ray kept asking "where's my stuff" which of course meant the money. I'm sure that in between Collector's Item when Johnny hands over the money to Jim and Was It Worth It? the money had been saftley secure at the clubhouse. Jim couldn't have had it during No Way on the Subway because Niko was sent there to get the money back. If Jim had it Niko would have retreived it and returned it to Ray. Niko keeps telling everybody (Phil, Packie) that he got ripped off by a biker and I think that was motive for Ray and Gerry to set up the kidnapping of Gracie Ancelotti. I hope that clears things up. Unless I'm wrong about something of course... Edited May 25, 2009 by Versityle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Hey theres one thing in TLAD that I think got left out. What happened to the 2 million that Johnny got from the Diamond deal anyway? I mean he only go like 10000 dollars from that. I believe he gave it to Jim, and then it got lost in the subway. I thought it was a given that Ray took it off Jim when he captured him. Or maybe that was just an assumption on my part. If he took it off Jim what was the point of him interigating he and Johnny. Ray kept asking "where's my stuff" which of course meant the money. I'm sure that in between Collector's Item when Johnny hands over the money to Jim and Was It Worth It? the money had been saftley secure at the clubhouse. Jim couldn't have had it during No Way on the Subway because Niko was sent there to get the money back. If Jim had it Niko would have retreived it and returned it to Ray. Niko keeps telling everybody (Phil, Packie) that he got ripped off by a biker and I think that was motive for Ray and Gerry to set up the kidnapping of Gracie Ancelotti. I hope that clears things up. Unless I'm wrong about something of course... Ok... I was wrong then. I don't think it was lost in the subway though because neither biker is carrying a breifcase or appears to be in possesion of it. Maybe Jim faked his death and fled with the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SovietWarrior42 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Well, it's kind of hard to fake getting hit by a speeding El-Train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Well, it's kind of hard to fake getting hit by a speeding El-Train. It looked nothing like him though and the El-Train is in the GTA III Version of Liberty City not the one from IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSEPH X Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Are you gonna stick your neck out and say the first we hear of the diamonds is during the opening cutscene of "Waste Not Want Knots". I don`t think it`s just a coinsidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerAndy Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I don't know how I missed this thread before - great work El Zilcho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zilcho Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 I don't know how I missed this thread before - great work El Zilcho! Thanks mate, I'm considering updating this a little when more stuff comes out for BOGT, but I've got a lot on my plate. U R B A N I T A S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 I don't know how I missed this thread before - great work El Zilcho! Thanks mate, I'm considering updating this a little when more stuff comes out for BOGT, but I've got a lot on my plate. I'd say this will go from a good thread to a great one when TBOGT comes out because it'll summarise the whole of the 3 stories involved in GTA IV and help people to piece it all together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSEPH X Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Elizabeta then gets Little Jacob to find some buyers who just so happen to be the AOD, but they betrayed her and took the coke. I`ve just got a small problem with this suggestion: If LJ`s buyers are the AoD, then surely the people selling the coke to them are on LJ`s side. The deal at the old hospital looks peaceful enough, and the two gangs team up to fight Niko, so I believe it`s the hispanic gang who`ve betrayed LJ and are trying to sell the AoD their own coke back. Could this be the NDD?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Elizabeta then gets Little Jacob to find some buyers who just so happen to be the AOD, but they betrayed her and took the coke. I`ve just got a small problem with this suggestion: If LJ`s buyers are the AoD, then surely the people selling the coke to them are on LJ`s side. The deal at the old hospital looks peaceful enough, and the two gangs team up to fight Niko, so I believe it`s the hispanic gang who`ve betrayed LJ and are trying to sell the AoD their own coke back. Could this be the NDD?? I'm pretty sure that's already been suggested man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgtafan Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 The money that the lost gets. Niko or Ray never gets it so were does it go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) In Waste Not Want Knots the Ancelottis are just after getting a big payoff... But from who? No doubt some light will be shed on this in TBOGT Edited June 17, 2009 by Money Over Bullshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio1911 Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Moral Choices: Spare or Kill Ivan: I chose to let him live. I guess I was being generous, but it didn't really matter. I think Niko would have done the same, because he hates Vlad and when he saw him hanging and saying he wouldn't steal, I guess Niko helped him instead of killing him as he was. I dont know if any1 else noticed the continuity or w/e cuz if you kill Ivan the terrible and almost at the end of the game when you do the mission for mr gravelli i think its when you have to take down the korean dude, he brings up that he is doing drug deals with ivan the terrible even if you killed him in the beginning of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude4Catalina Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Gravelli says something like working 'with Ivan The Godamn Terrible', which seems to be a derogatory term for Russian. I'm sure he is talking about another mafia family, so he finds it an insult that an Italian Mafia Family is working with a Russian Bratva. Nothing really to do with Ivan from 'Ivan The Terrible'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Gravelli says something like working 'with Ivan The Godamn Terrible', which seems to be a derogatory term for Russian. I'm sure he is talking about another mafia family, so he finds it an insult that an Italian Mafia Family is working with a Russian Bratva. Nothing really to do with Ivan from 'Ivan The Terrible'. He's talking about the The Ancellotis doing business with Ivan the Terrible aka the Russians. The saying derives from the nick name of Ivan Vasilyevich the grand prince of Russia in the 1500s. He says it in the cutscene for the Mission Liquidize The Assets. I'm thinking the events of this mission and some of Phil's Missions will be alluded to in TBOGT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude4Catalina Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Theres every possiblity. I think Playboy X and Dwayne Forge might be included in BoGT. Only problem is the moral choices. People such as Clarence and Teedy will almost definately be involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Theres every possiblity. I think Playboy X and Dwayne Forge might be included in BoGT. Only problem is the moral choices. People such as Clarence and Teedy will almost definately be involved. Playboy X maybe but not Dwayne Forge. He only gets realeased as is potentially killed shortly after that so it doesn't leave much time for him to be involved in Luis's Story. I can see Playboy making a cameo in at least one mission as he seemed too big of a character to be only featured in three missions. Aside from the speculation on characters in TBOGT which really belongs in it's own thread (in the BOGT section) I think that we will see more connections to Niko's story in Luis's story than in Johnny's as there is a lot more potential for crossovers there in in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nco62292 Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 el zilcho, what do u think about the whole teddy benavidez thing. why do u think ray had niko kill him, and how do u think it'll impact luis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk-in-Drublic Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 el zilcho, what do u think about the whole teddy benavidez thing. why do u think ray had niko kill him, and how do u think it'll impact luis? I think the whole teddy Benavidez situation will be a similair one to Jason in TLAD, his death will be mentioned in-game, a short reference to Niko will be implemented, like in TLAD when Billy says "Some Serb killed him". El Zilcho, I think you ought to get this copy and pasted in the BoGT sub forum, then you can update it. It would be more suited over there now as there is a lot of activity due to the BoGT speculation. Looking forward to the way Luis' story ties in with Niko & Johnnys story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 (edited) el zilcho, what do u think about the whole teddy benavidez thing. why do u think ray had niko kill him, and how do u think it'll impact luis? I think the whole teddy Benavidez situation will be a similair one to Jason in TLAD, his death will be mentioned in-game, a short reference to Niko will be implemented, like in TLAD when Billy says "Some Serb killed him". El Zilcho, I think you ought to get this copy and pasted in the BoGT sub forum, then you can update it. It would be more suited over there now as there is a lot of activity due to the BoGT speculation. Looking forward to the way Luis' story ties in with Niko & Johnnys story. Yeah I think its time for this topic to be moved to The Ballad of Gay Tony section. With just over 3 months to go till the game is released I think it will be more useful for people for establishing connections and getting them straight in their head etc. Thus serving its purpose better. Edited August 14, 2009 by Money Over Bullshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearTheLiving Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 I think it's some great work and only real problem I have with it is all the spelling errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopperboi89 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 my thoughts on: Moral Choices: Spare or Kill Ivan: you made some good points in your statement, but i felt that Niko, being new to the country, and trying to make it, would kill him so as not to anger Vlad, so he could make more $, i haven't tried letting him live yet, after reading what you said, it makes me wat to try it Cherise: i let her live, i thought that at this point, he doesn't want to kill a woman, Niko seems to have that kind of a moral in his system... Clarence: I let him live as well, you're right he did seem genuine Kill Playboy X or Dawyne: i agree with you 100% on this one, PBX deserved it... Kill Francis or Derrick: i killed Francis, look at the 2 characters, he would have felt bad for Derrick... Darko Brevic: tried both ways, i let him live the 1st time, but reloaded the game and killed him. i decided Niko would let him live, the fact that Darko looked like he was in constant pain seemed like it would hurt Darko more than killing him would. Deal or No Deal: i think he would have done the deal, he and Roman needed the money, and i think thats the way it should be played, following what Niko needed/wanted, not only that, but Roman is blood, and he needed to do the deal for Roman, but at the same time, if you remember, he tells Lj that "following orders isnt always eazy." But after playing it both ways, i think he would rather lose Kate than roman, like i said, Roman is blood, i think Niko would rather lose blood than "his woman," but not knowing the ending, i'd say do the deal. Love the topic, you made awesome points in it, and i loved seeing the connections with the story lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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