Liberty City Connections

[SovietWarrior42]

That's right, Versityle.

[The Notorious MOB]

Wasn't the Coke in "This Sh*t's Cursed" that the Triads took back added on to the collection of Coke that Niko stole for Phil Bell in "Truck Hustle"? Just wondering.

Actually it was heroin. And chances are it was the total amount that we see in This sh*t's cursed even though it was in a truck. The reason I say this is because in "To Live and Die in Alderney" all the H from the truck is able to fit into the back of two cars whereas a full truck load wouldn't. So I'd say the truck was only partially full of Heroin and the rest was just other items used to disguise it.

In TLAD The Lost Steal two large bags of Heroin from the AOD. This is roughly the same amount that we see in "To Live and Die In Alderney".

[Claude4Catalina]

Also about 'Truck Hustle', I think the Sanchez that spawns near you once the mission is complete might have been in the back of the truck of drugs, along with other micellaneos items, so when the Triads were moving the truck, they could easily say they were moving something for a friend if they got pulled over by the cops. Just an idea.

[El Zilcho]

Also about 'Truck Hustle', I think the Sanchez that spawns near you once the mission is complete might have been in the back of the truck of drugs, along with other micellaneos items, so when the Triads were moving the truck, they could easily say they were moving something for a friend if they got pulled over by the cops. Just an idea.

Makes sense. And a truck full of Heroin right to the top would have been much more guarded, considering that much is probably worth billions of dollars, if pure.

[The Notorious MOB]

I was just thinking... Maybe you should add in a Little bit about Ray Boccino since he seems to be another thing that links the 3 Protagonists, having a hand in the diamonds, Having Luis's friend Teddy Killed, Having Niko kill jim etc

[Claude4Catalina]

With the truck of heroin thing, it is the same from 'This sh*ts Cursed' right? If it is, do you think thats why the police were all over it during 'To Live and Die In Alderney'? Because they could have found the ulterior motive of Billy's arrest, they were in the area due to the gang war, and found out from Billy that there was a fair bit of H involved and decided to trace it, so Billy might of told them about it, from it being in the hands of the Angels, and the Lost, and now the Triads?

 

Also about Boccino, I think Luis may work for him because I read somewhere that Drusilla's, Ray's hangout, payed protection money to the Ancelotti's, wether this is cannon or not beats me, but that could be how Luis works with him. Maybe they meet through an unknown reason, Teddy gets killed by Niko and then Luis is robbed by the Lost under instruction from Ray, so this could be why Luis shoots up the diamond deal in The Libertonian, wanting the diamonds and wanting to mess up something of Boccino's.

 

Does anyone think that possibly Luis will mess up anything for the Angels of Death, considering I doubt he would care to look who it was attacking him down Broker docks, just knowing it was a Biker gang, not a specific gang, so with the help of the Ancelotti's, he might raise hell against both biker gangs.

[El Zilcho]

With the truck of heroin thing, it is the same from 'This sh*ts Cursed' right? If it is, do you think thats why the police were all over it during 'To Live and Die In Alderney'? Because they could have found the ulterior motive of Billy's arrest, they were in the area due to the gang war, and found out from Billy that there was a fair bit of H involved and decided to trace it, so Billy might of told them about it, from it being in the hands of the Angels, and the Lost, and now the Triads?

 

Also about Boccino, I think Luis may work for him because I read somewhere that Drusilla's, Ray's hangout, payed protection money to the Ancelotti's, wether this is cannon or not beats me, but that could be how Luis works with him. Maybe they meet through an unknown reason, Teddy gets killed by Niko and then Luis is robbed by the Lost under instruction from Ray, so this could be why Luis shoots up the diamond deal in The Libertonian, wanting the diamonds and wanting to mess up something of Boccino's.

 

Does anyone think that possibly Luis will mess up anything for the Angels of Death, considering I doubt he would care to look who it was attacking him down Broker docks, just knowing it was a Biker gang, not a specific gang, so with the help of the Ancelotti's, he might raise hell against both biker gangs.

I don't think that he works for Ray. Ray is from the Pegorino's, and Luis is involved with the Ancelotti's. I believe he has contact with him due to the diamond fiasco, but no direct work, as the Ancelotti's and Pegorino's are virtually at war. The main link with the ie would be Gay Tony. I'll add a section on Ray soon.

[El Zilcho]

Section on Ray Boccino added, with explanation on how he may tie in with DLC 2. Thanks for reading and for all the practical advice and suggestions, info on how Elizabeta is a common emplyer coming soon too.

[The Notorious MOB]

Good work man. Major props for this whole thread.

I'm looking forward to reading the piece about Elizabeta too.

[El Zilcho]

Thanks mate. Much appreciated. Elizabeta Torres section added.

[Versityle]

I need to ask man, which Coke was the Coke that Niko had to retrieve from "The Snow Storm"? Was it the one Johnny and Malc stole in "Heavy Toll" or the one Smuggled in by Marta in "Marta Full of Grace" because you have it different in two of your sections. I'm assuming it's possibly the one from Heavy Toll seeing how "Marta Full of Grace" is the mission before "Shifting Weight" where they almost had it robbed by those two gangsters and if it was the AOD's who Johnny and Malc stole the convoy from in "Heavy Toll" then it makes sense for them to have betrayed Elizabeta and Jacob seeing how it was there Coke to begin with I might have answered my own question but is there any way to be sure???

Edited April 21, 2009 by Versityle

[The Notorious MOB]

I need to ask man, which Coke was the Coke that Niko had to retrieve from "The Snow Storm"? Was it the one Johnny and Malc stole in "Heavy Toll" or the one Smuggled in by Marta in "Marta Full of Grace" because you have it different in two of your sections. I'm assuming it's possibly the one from Heavy Toll seeing how "Marta Full of Grace" is the mission before "Shifting Weight" where they almost had it robbed by those two gangsters and if it was the AOD's who Johnny and Malc stole the convoy from in "Heavy Toll" then it makes sense for them to have betrayed Elizabeta and Jacob seeing how it was there Coke to begin with I might have answered my own question but is there any way to be sure???

Yeah the "Snow Storm" Coke is the "Heavy Toll" Coke.

 

I wrote the second section because What El Zilcho had was incorrect.

 

The coke Marta brings in is used to do the deal in "Shifting Weight" because Karen has already taken the Coke from Niko before that Mission so It's seemingly the only batch of coke Liz has left.

[Nikkola bellic,Belgrade,Serbia]

Wow I didn't have a clue there were so many connections lol - I think they will continue them on 2 DLC

nice research

[SafetyCatch]

Brilliant work, I enjoyed reading it.

[marv W]

I mean come on, he sprayed the guests and noly Kate got hit? I was hoping Brucie got a soht or two 

Haha I gotta agree with you... He's an idiot.

 

Kate is a stupid bitch anyway like how is her getting shot comparable with Roman?? Its like they want you to pick Revenge

Agreed, I find it very theraputic unlaodng a few clips on Brucie now and again.

[marv W]

Thanks mate. Much appreciated. Elizabeta Torres section added.

where can I read this El?

[The Notorious MOB]

Thanks mate. Much appreciated. Elizabeta Torres section added.

where can I read this El?

First page of the topic brother

[marv W]

Thanks mate. Much appreciated. Elizabeta Torres section added.

where can I read this El?

First page of the topic brother

I should really engage my brain before opening mouth

[Omnia sunt Communia]

According to the LCPD Database one, Claude Wome, was arrested "selling illegal conflict diamonds to Liberty City dealers, Isaac Roth and Mori Green." This was back in 2000 though so it might be the same diamonds as the ones seen in GTA IV (though it might not - considering the fact that Roth and Green are dealers). Maybe they exported the diamonds out of America in order to sell them off outside the country only for them to return to them in 2008?

[SovietWarrior42]

I wish Wome would make an apperance in the next DLC. He sounds so interesting. Would be kind of cool if Luis had to shake him down to get some info on the diamonds.

[The Notorious MOB]

I wish Wome would make an apperance in the next DLC. He sounds so interesting. Would be kind of cool if Luis had to shake him down to get some info on the diamonds.

Wome is said to be an African warlord so the idea of Luis "Shaking him down" is unlikely unless he wants to be chopped into pieces and sent back to Dominico.

 

I think he was just included in the database to give some more filler to Mori and Isaac being big time dealers.

[SovietWarrior42]

I know, but who's to say that Luis and some of the men old man Giovanni sent with him couldn't take out Wome's protection? Even if Luis didn't get in to any conflict with Wome, it'd be nice for him to at least have an apperance.

[The Notorious MOB]

I know, but who's to say that Luis and some of the men old man Giovanni sent with him couldn't take out Wome's protection? Even if Luis didn't get in to any conflict with Wome, it'd be nice for him to at least have an apperance.

Yeah that's true I wouldn't mind him making an appearence in some way either

[sam33]

 

Also about 'Truck Hustle', I think the Sanchez that spawns near you once the mission is complete might have been in the back of the truck of drugs, along with other micellaneos items, so when the Triads were moving the truck, they could easily say they were moving something for a friend if they got pulled over by the cops.  Just an idea.

Makes sense. And a truck full of Heroin right to the top would have been much more guarded, considering that much is probably worth billions of dollars, if pure.

even if pure it woulsn't be worth billions. That amount roughly could come to a couple of mill. Not billions....

 

edit: There is also no evidence saying Elizabeta runs a cartel. The game makes her out to be smalltime and working on her own not in a cartel.

Edited May 9, 2009 by sam33

[El Zilcho]

Also about 'Truck Hustle', I think the Sanchez that spawns near you once the mission is complete might have been in the back of the truck of drugs, along with other micellaneos items, so when the Triads were moving the truck, they could easily say they were moving something for a friend if they got pulled over by the cops.  Just an idea.

Makes sense. And a truck full of Heroin right to the top would have been much more guarded, considering that much is probably worth billions of dollars, if pure.

even if pure it woulsn't be worth billions. That amount roughly could come to a couple of mill. Not billions....

I saw some Customs programs (those where dock officials and cops seize cargo ships full of drugs) and about 3 tonnes of Heroin was something like 1 Billion, so it isn't too far off, considering the fact a truck full can carry a lot. Therefore I think they stuffed the truck with a lot of other stuff to hide the fact there was a few back of H in there.

[sam33]

A truck can carry two tons max. A van maybe half a ton to 1. The heroin was in a van and wouldn't of even filled up all the van given the point about the sanches in there or that they wanted to hide the heroin. Look at my torres cartel point as well.

[El Zilcho]

That is true. Although I am 100% sure it was a truck, it wasn't carrying 800 mils worth. My point was it is possible for that much heroin to be sold at that price, but if such a huge shipment like that was there, the Chinese wouldn't be so desperate to dump it all at once, probably would have wanted to make a profit, regardless of the curse. I think the truck could have easily contained that much, but it wouldn't make sense if it did, because it all fit snugly inside three duffel bags, so it probably was only about $600,000 worth, as Niko received $250,000 (which is quite a lot for hired muscle).

[sam33]

true true. Oh and by the way I wouldn't say that Elizabetha is in the Torres Cartel as

a) it's never mentioned in the game

b) A cartel is generally seen as a lagre organisation whereas the game makes several points as to the fact she's running a small time operation. You yourself said it in your first post.

c) She is the boss of the number one, there is no one else working with her at her "level" as htey would in a cartel therefore she is just a single dealer on her own

[The Notorious MOB]

I wonder will it be explained in DLC 2 how the AOD got the heroin from the Triads??

[Omnia sunt Communia]

I wonder will it be explained in DLC 2 how the AOD got the heroin from the Triads??

I believe the Angels of Death bought it off of them in a legitimate drugs deal. I'm pretty sure it mentioned somewhere that they were supplied by the Triads.