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El Zilcho

Liberty City Connections

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KGBeast

I would say 100% not 85. After all, Jacob isn't part of the impossible trinity.

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4thosebout2rock

Nice list some things i had forgotten just came back.

 

Luis is most defintly the next character.

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SovietWarrior42

I think I heard that Chinatown Wars won't have any intersecting storylines from the other games at Gamespot or Kotaku after they asked on of the developers about it. I was a little disappointed, the guy in the tan coat looked too important to be random like that. Anyways, this definitely needs to be stickied.

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MC.
I think I heard that Chinatown Wars won't have any intersecting storylines from the other games at Gamespot or Kotaku after they asked on of the developers about it. I was a little disappointed, the guy in the tan coat looked too important to be random like that. Anyways, this definitely needs to be stickied.

Dang. You got a link by any chance? I do know for sure that some of the characters from the LCPD database that were not seen yet, will be revealed in GTA: Chinatown Wars. I bet $5 that we'll be seeing Rudy D'Avanzo & Harvey Noto of the Messina mafia crime family from The Commission.

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SovietWarrior42

From Kikizo's hands-on.

 

Chinatown Wars is a completely distinct adventure, written by Dan Houser and Rockstar Leeds creative director David Bland, with no crossover to the storyline of the Bellic contingent (we definitely won't "run into Niko", we're told in no uncertain terms).

 

 

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Guanxi

In my opinion Niko would walk away from Darko because in doing so he is able to finally put it behind him and get closure. He beats it. Bernie calls him and implies as much. Luis probably kills Bulgarin but in the end it does not matter because Niko has gotten over his past.

 

If he kills Darko he has to live in the past with that feeling of emptiness forever. Darko was as damaged as Niko, he'd witness his own friends die also, slowly killing himself with drugs trying to fill that void; he wanted to die because he couldn't live with himself, but Niko wouldn't give him the satisfaction. He must now live with that emptiness forever, which is in effect worst than death.

 

Niko would have done the deal with Dimitri after his revelation with Darko. Incidentally if he didn't have the revelation and killed Darko, he would be routed in his past and would have been consumed by revenge and killed Dimitri.

 

If he has the revelation and finally puts his past behind him, he's no longer driven by the need for revenge and deals. Both are canonical.

 

I personally would prefer the happier ending (w/Roman) but even still, Niko will never have closure, which is what he wanted more than anything else.

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KGBeast
From Kikizo's hands-on.

 

Chinatown Wars is a completely distinct adventure, written by Dan Houser and Rockstar Leeds creative director David Bland, with no crossover to the storyline of the Bellic contingent (we definitely won't "run into Niko", we're told in no uncertain terms).

I'm sure there will be some small connections, just not big, blatant OMG ETZ NIKO JONNY| N LUIZZZZZZ ones. I'm sure that tan coat guy will pop up some where in the game though as he is a Triad leader apparently.

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numdmind

Niko being on the streets of Alderney at the beginning of TLaD is a huge plothole and should not have been mentioned as one of the meetings between Johnny and Niko. Niko could not have been there, because he was still confined to Broker, Dukes and Bohan. And yes, we do know for a fact that TLad starts around the same time as Niko's story starts, the biggest tip-off being the fact that Niko hasn't killed Jason yet for Faustin. You can't leave the first island until after that.

 

Also, Integrity 2.0 isn't available at the beginning of TLaD just like it wasn't there at the beginning of Niko's adventure. That doesn't become available until sometime after Niko arrives in Algonguin.

 

Most of what the TC says may be true, though I fully believe that Niko would have chosen revenge over deal, if not for anything but the fact that he absolutely despise Dimitri. But officially, the first meeting of Johnny and Niko would have been at Elizabeta's party and not the intro movie to The Lost and Damned. Besides, they didn't even look at each other in that intro.

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JOSEPH X

Gracie Ancelotti`s pink Schafter is outside her house during one of the missions in TLAD, I`ve forgotten which mission it was tho. I`m on my second playthru so I`ll get back to you

 

good topic, stick it.

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sam33
Oh my God, I've been waiting for someone to say that.

 

When that Triad in the tan coat walks out, I was thinking he looked much too specific to not be an important character...

smile.gif

 

I almost thought the Triad in the trench coat was Huang Lee because he's wearing almost the same trench coat in one of the GTA: Chinatown Wars artwork where he's holding a sniper.

It's no one special. In the credits at the end he's listed as Triad 1 where as everyone else who has an important part has a name.

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MC.
Oh my God, I've been waiting for someone to say that.

 

When that Triad in the tan coat walks out, I was thinking he looked much too specific to not be an important character...

smile.gif

 

I almost thought the Triad in the trench coat was Huang Lee because he's wearing almost the same trench coat in one of the GTA: Chinatown Wars artwork where he's holding a sniper.

It's no one special. In the credits at the end he's listed as Triad 1 where as everyone else who has an important part has a name.

Yeah that's why I almost thought. It is no one special.

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QwertyAAA
Oh my God, I've been waiting for someone to say that.

 

When that Triad in the tan coat walks out, I was thinking he looked much too specific to not be an important character...

smile.gif

 

I almost thought the Triad in the trench coat was Huang Lee because he's wearing almost the same trench coat in one of the GTA: Chinatown Wars artwork where he's holding a sniper.

It's no one special. In the credits at the end he's listed as Triad 1 where as everyone else who has an important part has a name.

You never know, mate. Maybe they didn't want people thinking about it.

 

Anyway, screencap of the the Triad?

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Laufas

Wait, I didn't get the mission where you bug Bryce or something like that? I didn't hear a conversation between him and Florian? Why did I miss this mission, and why did Florian say he was Gay Toni's body guard? Just read what you said..

 

Damit now I'm frustrated, once I start I cannot quit. Now I need to know everything about this, I absolutely HATE when I I know I'm missing out on something and I can't figure it out..

 

Now I know I have a missing mission the one where you bug Bryce's car or something.. It feels like I don't understand the story completely which is pissing me off!!

 

I'm also swedish so I often drift off during cutscenes, I mean since I really have to concentrate through out each cutscenes while you guys just have to listen.. So sometimes I miss out on WHY exactly I'm doing the mission I'm doing and that frustrates me too.. Once I start I really need to know everything, and this can be hard when english isn't your first language

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KGBeast

Dude, it's a side mission for Stubbs, call him and select 'job', eventually you will do it. Then afterward, go save, and he will text you a number. call it and you can listen in about 6 or 7 times.

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Laufas
Dude, it's a side mission for Stubbs, call him and select 'job', eventually you will do it. Then afterward, go save, and he will text you a number. call it and you can listen in about 6 or 7 times.

Can I do these side missions after having finished Lost & Damned?

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cjb1118
Dude, it's a side mission for Stubbs, call him and select 'job', eventually you will do it.  Then afterward, go save, and he will text you a number.  call it and you can listen in about 6 or 7 times.

Can I do these side missions after having finished Lost & Damned?

Yes.

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Money Over Bullshit

In Regards to the coke....

 

Niko retrieves a large bag full of coke in "Snow Storm" hence this is not the coke Marta brought in since a woman of her stature wouldn't possible be able to carry that much coke on her person.

 

However It is possible that the coke she brings in is the same coke that Johnny and Malc do the deal with.

 

Since Elizabetha is such a big shot though it is very likely that the coke that you go to get in "Snow Storm" is an entirely different batch.

 

Also there is a Mission in TLAD called "Heavy Toll" which involves stealing a van full of drugs so maybe this is batch that we see in "Snow Storm"

 

 

Very good post though props 4 that smile.gif

Edited by Money Over Bullshit

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Pr0xy_fl00d3r

R* need to start kissing Hollicks ass, I want to play as Niko again >_>

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Guanxi

 

In Regards to the coke....

 

Niko retrieves a large bag full of coke in "Snow Storm" hence this is not the coke Marta brought in since a woman of her stature wouldn't possible be able to carry that much coke on her person.

 

However It is possible that the coke she brings in is the same coke that Johnny and Malc do the deal with.

 

Since Elizabetha is such a big shot though it is very likely that the coke that you go to get in "Snow Storm" is an entirely different batch.

 

Also there is a Mission in TLAD called "Heavy Toll" which involves stealing a van full of drugs so maybe this is batch that we see in "Snow Storm"

 

 

Very good post though props 4 that  smile.gif

 

Marta was under heavy surveillance purposely by FIB with the intention of exposing the link that tied Elizabeta to the PR drug cartel(s). It was when she disappeared from surveillance that the large-scale manhunt erupted.

 

It's driving me mad trying to figure out who was the rat. She presumes it's Andreas but that would be too obvious, and it couldn't have been manny because he clearly had no f*cking clue what was going on.

 

Edit: The Heavy toll coke is most likely the snow storm coke bacause the Angels of Death steal it back, I agree.

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Narratorjuan
In Regards to the coke....

 

Niko retrieves a large bag full of coke in "Snow Storm" hence this is not the coke Marta brought in since a woman of her stature wouldn't possible be able to carry that much coke on her person.

 

However It is possible that the coke she brings in is the same coke that Johnny and Malc do the deal with.

 

Since Elizabetha is such a big shot though it is very likely that the coke that you go to get in "Snow Storm" is an entirely different batch.

 

Also there is a Mission in TLAD called "Heavy Toll" which involves stealing a van full of drugs so maybe this is batch that we see in "Snow Storm"

 

 

Very good post though props 4 that smile.gif

 

I agree that the coke in Snow Storm isn't the coke that Marta brings in. I'm trying to work out a mission order to play GTA 4 and TLAD together in roughly the same timeline. I've only played through TLAD the once so far, but I do remember playing as Johnny and hearing on the radio the the lawyer Schyster had been killed. That was several missions before Marta Full of Grace and though I'm not certain, I think you have to finish Elizebetha's missions before you get the anonymous txt from McCreary.

 

Sorry about the lack of mission specifics, I've only just started playing through Niko's adventure again atfer buying me an Xbox especially for TLAD.

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sam33

Elizabetha is ratted out by Jorge her guard in IV. She says as much herself in a phonecall to you when you've done all her missions.

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Money Over Bullshit

 

I agree that the coke in Snow Storm isn't the coke that Marta brings in. I'm trying to work out a mission order to play GTA 4 and TLAD together in roughly the same timeline.

 

 

Yeah that seems like a good idea dude. I'm currently playing through GTA IV again to see how much more sense it makes after finishing TLAD so I may do this myself and see how accurate I can get it.

 

So far what I know is that The first time the stories intersect is when Jason gets killed in the Mission "No love lost" which depending on what order you do the missions in is about five or so missions before the next Time they intersect in the "Blow your cover" mission for elizebetha

 

The "No love lost" Mission happens just before the mission"It's war" in TLAD which is three missions in. I know this because Billy gives the guys the news in the closing cutscene of the mission.

 

So roughly going on this I'd say TLAD starts right around the time you do Faustin's Second Mission "Do You have Protection" assuming of course that the missions are done in a certain order with Faustin's missions done last before going to Bohan.

 

I'm gonna try and get it more accurate though

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Guanxi

 

I agree that the coke in Snow Storm isn't the coke that Marta brings in. I'm trying to work out a mission order to play GTA 4 and TLAD together in roughly the same timeline.

 

 

Yeah that seems like a good idea dude. I'm currently playing through GTA IV again to see how much more sense it makes after finishing TLAD so I may do this myself and see how accurate I can get it.

 

So far what I know is that The first time the stories intersect is when Jason gets killed in the Mission "No love lost" which depending on what order you do the missions in is about five or so missions before the next Time they intersect in the "Blow your cover" mission for elizebetha

 

The "No love lost" Mission happens just before the mission"It's war" in TLAD which is three missions in. I know this because Billy gives the guys the news in the closing cutscene of the mission.

 

So roughly going on this I'd say TLAD starts right around the time you do Faustin's Second Mission "Do You have Protection" assuming of course that the missions are done in a certain order with Faustin's missions done last before going to Bohan.

 

I'm gonna try and get it more accurate though

It makes much more sense that the "snow storm" coke is the "heavy toll" coke, not "marta full of grace" coke because in heavy toll Johnny and Malc rip off the Angels of Death for their truckload of coke, the Angels' then in turn steal it back off Jacob to exchange it with Spanish Lords. When Niko recovers it from the abandoned hospital; it's in a very large sack.

 

The Mara coke would be a small amount considering that it was stored in condoms in her lower-intestines in her small frame. Johnny and Malc attempt to deal it "shifting weight" but the woman is so disgusted with it, she retaliates by shooting up Johnny's bike.

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KGBeast

She isn't disgusted by it, she likes it so they decide to kill Johnny and Malc and steal it.

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Pr0xy_fl00d3r

I wonder what happened to Marta after Elizebeta gets sent down, she cant speak english or nothing.

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Money Over Bullshit

I can confirm that Jorge is the rat as Elizebetha says he turned "States" at the start of "Have a heart".

 

I'd say Marta probably fled back to Puerto Rico or sumtin coz when her "friend" gets sentenced to 300 years chances are she's gonna face some charges too if she stays in Liberty.

 

There's also some other coke that you steal from some warehouse with Phil Bell... So thats 3 lots of coke we have now. Maybe that clears up some of the confusion.

 

Then again... maybe not. colgate.gif

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Claude4Catalina

I don't care if I'm bumping.

 

But it was money that you and Phil get from the warehouse in 'Deal' storyline. You are exchanging their cash for your heroin, which Niko stole for Phil from the Triads, which is the same heroin from 'This Sh*ts Cursed' in TLAD, which is also in 'Action/Reaction' in the hands of the AOD, which Ray Boccino knew about, as he was explaining to Billy in 'Action/Reaction'. Also, Jim tells you on the ride over to do 'This Sh*ts Cursed' that the heroin was stole from the Triads, whom shipped it on the Platyplus 'a few weeks backs', i.e Niko's arrival to Liberty City. Or that's how I've always thought it happens.

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Pr0xy_fl00d3r

 

I don't care if I'm bumping.

 

But it was money that you and Phil get from the warehouse in 'Deal' storyline.  You are exchanging their cash for your heroin, which Niko stole for Phil from the Triads, which is the same heroin from 'This Sh*ts Cursed' in TLAD, which is also in 'Action/Reaction' in the hands of the AOD, which Ray Boccino knew about, as he was explaining to Billy in 'Action/Reaction'.  Also, Jim tells you on the ride over to do 'This Sh*ts Cursed' that the heroin was stole from the Triads, whom shipped it on the Platyplus 'a few weeks backs', i.e Niko's arrival to Liberty City.  Or that's how I've always thought it happens.

Nice bump, this thread deserves bumping.

Also, its not really as if your bumping a dead thread

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El Zilcho

Nope, not dead. Yet!

 

I'll try update some stuff soon.

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Claude4Catalina

I have a feeling that Ray Boccino will be 'the link' in the next DLC if it is to feature Luis, so might you add a section about Ray if we see him in the next DLC, El Zilcho?

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