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El Zilcho

Liberty City Connections

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El Zilcho

Liberty City Connections

Everything in this city is connected, a thousand stories to tell...

 

WARNING! THIS TOPIC CONTAINS MAJOR SPOILERS THROUGH OUT! THE STORIES OF GTA IV AND THE LOST AND DAMNED ARE WRITTEN ABOUT IN THIS TOPIC. IF YOU HAVEN'T COMPLETED THEM THEN DON'T READ ON! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

 

Ok, now we've got that out of the way, I can explain that this topic is about all the connecting stories that have been weaved into GTA IV, and the The Lost and Damned Xbox 360 DLC. I would first like to say that this is all about the story of GTA IV, and how it is all related and joins together. So,for example, if you're a Playstation user you can use this to get up to date on TLAD and find out about how it affects regular GTA IV, etc. This topic is updated quite a bit so check back soon and please leave any constructive critiscm, opinions, questions, feedback, discussion etc.

 

Get ready to see the connections.

 

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The Diamonds

 

The Diamonds are brought to Liberty City on the Platypus ship, which is also bringing in Heroin for the Triads. Rodislav Bulgarin may or may not ahve previously owned these Diamonds, as he seems to know of them and want them escpially. Anyway, they arrive and the Chef who got hold of the diamonds goes to sell them to Gay Tony. Ray Boccino finds out about the ice and gets Johnny to go and steal them from the meeting.

 

Gay Tony's entourage is ambushed by The Lost and he and Luis manage to escape while the diamonds and the other bodyguards drive away in a limo and an escort car. The Lost kill allt he bodyguards and steal the diamonds from the Limo. Johnny hides them in trashbags in Algonquin, which are retrieved later on by Niko and Luca. However, Luca's crew steal the diamonds and plan on leaving to Las Venturas, before Niko kills them and takes back the ice.

 

Niko and Johnny go to the Libertonian mueseum and attempt to sell the diamonds to Isaac Roth and the Jewish mob. Luis Fernando Lopez, who was present at the Platypus when The Lost stole the diamonds, interupts the deal and all hell breaks loose. Niko escapes, Johnny gets away with the cash and it is believed Luis steals the ice while the jewish mob and the Ancelottis fight in the museum.

 

Again later on, Niko and Patrick McReary kidnap Gracie Ancelloti, the daughter of the don of the Ancellotis, and Gay Tony agrees to eschange her for the ice which is now in his possesion. When at the sewage works, Gracie is exchanged, but just as Niko and Packie move to take the diamonds, Bulgarin ambushes it and his men attack. Bulgarin leaves, and his men take the ice. Niko and Packie kill all the attackers and get to the top of a sewage walkway. The man who is holding onto them drops them into a garbage truck, which drives away. He is promptly killed.

 

So, what is the ultimate fate of the diamonds? On the Liberty Tree website, it says a hobo found 2 Mils worth of diamonds in the garbage, and as no owner for them was found, he was allowed to keep them. With the money he made, the lucky homeless man is moving to Vice City to set up a shop where people can buy booze and guns in one convinent place. There you go, the complete journey of the ice!

 

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The Heroin

 

The Heroin was brought from China to Liberty City by the Triads, one of whom was the cousin of a Triad in LC. It was held on by the Triads but was stolen by the Angels of Death early on. When the Angels of Death were believed to have killed Jason Michaels, a young biker from the Lost who was actually murdered by Niko Bellic on Faustins orders, The Lost declared war.

 

Johnny Klebitz fired a grenade launcher on their clubhouse and the AOD present were killed in a large shootout outside the clubhouse. Soon enough The Lost stormed the house and fonud 2 bags of Heroin stashed in the basement gym. Billy Grey may have used the death of Jason as an excuse to attack the clubhouse because they previously thought Jason was killed by a Serb, and then Billy changed his story.

 

Originally The Lost attempted to sell the Heroin through Elizabeta to a contact alled Charlie, but he turned out to be from a drug team and Niko, Playboy X and Johnny had to shoot their way out of the builiding. Johnny held on to the H and it was from this deal he later had problems with FiB Agent Jones.

 

The Lost contacted the Triads and set up a deal to sell the H back to them. The deal fell through and the Triads fired on Johnny and Jim. They killed all the Triads on the roof of a building in Chinatown, but Billy was arrested outside. The H stayed with the Triads until they attempted to offload it in Alderney. Niko Bellic, on orders from Phil Bell, attacked the deal. He killed the Triads and as the truck with the H drove away, he jumped on the back of it, climbed around on it and jumped into the cabin, killing the driver.

 

Niko left the truck with Frankie, Phil Bells nephew. After a week or so, Frankie, Phil and Niko went back to move the drugs via cars. But the FiB had been watching and pounced. The 3 barely escaped and dumped the cars later, using a van to escape after a heated fire fight with N.O.O.S.E. After this, Jimmy Pegorino found a buyer for the cursed H, Dimitri Rascalov. Just as Niko was about to cut his ties with Pegorino, he asked Niko to do one last thing, oversee the deal with Dimitri.

 

At this point, the story splits into the Revenge and Deal branches.

 

DEAL

Niko agrees to do the deal with Dimitri. He goes to the meet and Dimitri betrays the buyers and kills them, taking the Heroin for himself. Niko and phil are forced to fight for their lives and money. They eventually get the Money but when Niko goes to his Cousins wedding, Sergei, Faustins former bodyguard tries to kill him. They struggle and Roman is shot instead. Niko goes after Dimtri and eventually kills him on Happiness Island, and the Heroin is left with Dimtri's Russian Bratva.

 

REVENGE

Niko goes to the Platypus, being used by Dimtri for importing and exporting Heroin, and kills the Russian crew and executes Dimtri. At Romans wedding, Jimmy Pegorino (who's mafia family is now ruined due to not having a deal left or the money) fires at Niko but hits Kate, killing her. Niko goes and chases Pegorino, and kills him on Happiness Island also. The Heroin remains with the Pegorinos, now ruined.

 

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The Coke

 

Elizabeta's coke was brought to America by a coke mule called Marta. She arrived in the country and was about to be raped by a border inspection officer before she was rescued by Johnny Klebitz, who fought with LCPD and then evacuated her from Francis International, all while she speaks in Spanish to Johnny. John delivered her to Elizabeta who was very protective of her, and Malc and Johnny believed them to be in a rellationship.

 

Eventually Malc and Johnny went to sell the coke but they ended up shooting one of the buyers and escaping via Doulbe T from a large police force. Johnny wasn't able to sell it and Elizabeta got Little Jacob to find some dealers, but they betrayed her and took the coke. Nik owas sent to get it back from them (they were the AOD) and retrieved it, but ULPC operative Michelle (real name Karen) took it from him.

 

The Coke is thoguht to have remained with U.L.P.C and hasn't been moved. If it was given to the Russians in order to track their operation for John Gravelli, then Niko destroyed their operation anyway, so the coke is either in ULPC posserssion or destroyed.

 

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Which Ending is Canonical?

 

Although this question has been asked many times by different people, I have decided to try and explain my opinion as to which and why is canonical. Would Niko have chosen the Money, and his Cousins advice? Or would he choose Revenge, and follow the path of death, and listen to Kate?

 

$$$ - DEAL ENDING - $$$

 

What if Niko chooses the Deal ending? For anyone that remembers, Niko would have agreed with Roman to do the deal, so that Roman could have a better honeymoon and maybe even go to Vice City! But what the Bellics get is much darker than a dollar bill. At Roman's wedding, a hitman is sent to kill Niko on the orders of his old enemy, Dimitri Rascalov. Dimitri had previously betrayed Niko and cause him and Phil Bell to shoot their way out of the deal, barely escaping with their lives and the money. Now that Niko had cut his ties with Dimitri, Rascalow still wanted to see him dead.

 

So, at the wedding, Sergei (Mikhail Faustins former bodyguard) is sent to kill Niko, but during a struggle he shoots Roman by mistake before he is subdued and shot by and enraged Niko. Instead of money and glory (the American dream) Niko gets the sh*t end of the stick, and his own flesh and blood dies. After the wedding, Niko goes after Dimitri and kills him in a prolonged chase and gunbattle in Alderney and Happiness Island.

 

But, was the Deal ending canon? In my opinion, as much as I wish it wasn't, I believe it was. It tells the tale that money isn't everything, and in place of Roman's greed comes a tombstone. It shows that the percieved happy ending isn't always so. Niko get's the money, but loses what was always more important to him.

 

+++ - REVENGE ENDING - +++

 

What if Niko chooses Revenge? Niko would have refused Roman's advice and went to the Platypus ship where Dimtri is bringing in H. He fights through the ship, kills many Russians and eventually reaches the hold, where Dimtri begs for his life. Niko kills him with two shots to the knees and a headshot (unless the palyer can be more imaginative!) and leaves the boat. Although not rich, Niko bad the smart choice.

 

Kate gets shot at Roman's wedding by a desperate and angered Jimmy Pegorino who's organisation is ruined. Like Dimtri before him, Niko tracks down Jimmy on Happiness Island and kills him with an AK. But despite this, I don't believe this is the canonical ending. It is what Niko would probably have done, but I believe Deal has a more moral ending, showing money isn't everything. Deal is the best ending, and I think it is more canon. But when looked at logically, Revenge is what Niko would have gone for. Then again, Niko may have wanted to take oe last risk in order to get out and make enough money to help Roman and him live a better life.

 

In the end, it's up to the player.

 

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Moral Choices: Spare or Kill

 

Ivan: I chose to let him live. I guess I was being generous, but it didn't really matter. I think Niko would have done the same, because he hates Vlad and when he saw him hanging and saying he wouldn't steal, I guess Niko helped him instead of killing him as he was.

 

Cherise: I also think he would have let her live, but I killed her. I think he would ahve had mercy on someone so scared and let her go. He had bigger fish to fry anyway, specifically Jayvon. When he went after him, he would have let her live, but I didn't Thought she was a cheating b*thc. That's just me!

 

Clarence: I killed Clarence, but I regretted it, adn then didn't. First I thought his weaping and begging made me feel bad for blowing his brains out all over the ground. He was a dealer, but still I felt bad for it. Later on, I heard he has a random character mission whee he tries to blackmail you. So he got what he deserved. But I think Niko would have let him live, his begging seemed genuine.

 

Kill Playboy X or Dawyne: I killed Playboy Z and Niko would have too. Dawyne was down on his luck and reminded Niko of himself, and Niko seemed to genuinly like him. And the game makes you feel terrible for killing Dwayne. It just wouldn't seem fair to kill him, even if he was in pain. Niko really looked as if he liked him and seemed to be happy to be his friends, adn the fact PBX was a pretentious prick just helped.

 

Kill Francis or Derrick: I killed Derrick first time around, Francis second. Niko would definetly have gone for Francis. He had you under his thumb, blackmailing you, making you do his dirty business. he couldn't even see he was a crook! So no doubts Niko would ahve killed Francis if he ahd the chance, plus he feels bad for killing Derrick if he does so he asks Francis or something, while he doesn't mind if Derrick doesn't pay him.

 

Darko Brevic: I killed him, the badass execution was enough reason for me. But I believe Niko would ahve spared him. He thanked Niko for popping him and afterwards Niko said to Roman he felt empty, while if he lets him live he is a little angry that over 15 years he gets him and lets him go, he is better than when he killed him.

 

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Crossovers

 

Johnny and Niko

 

Johnny crosses paths with Niko Bellic a few times during the course of GTA IV. The first time is when Johnny rides past Niko in Alderney and Niko bumps into a man on the street. The Lost seem to totally ignore this and so Niko doesn't notice them either. The next time Niko and Johnny cross pathes is during a Heroin deal in a tenemnet (the missons Blow your Cover and Buyers Market). It's a sting and Niko fights his way across the rooftop with Payboy X and Johnny fights his way down.

 

Johnny encounters the Bellics once again when he is forced to kidnpa Niko's cousin, Roman or his ex girlfriend Ashley Butler would have more trouble with her loan sharks, who worked for Dimitri Rasclov. Since Dimitri wanted to get Niko, Roman would help him. So Johnny kidnapped Roman with the help of Malc and handed him over to a Russian at the warehouse. Johnny only met Niko again at a museuem where they would exchange diamonds with Jewish diamonds dealer Isaac Roth.

 

Luis Fernando Lopez ambushed the deal in order to retreive the diamnds for his boss Gay Tony. Niko escaped with his life, Johnny with the 2 Million dollars and Luis got the diamonds. And this was the last time all the protaganists met.

 

Niko and Luis

 

Niko met the possible Protaganist of the second episodic DLC, Luis Lopez first when he and the two McReary brother Patrick and Derrick. They robbed the Liberty Bank in jsut off Chinatown and Luis was one of the the people waiting in the line at the bank. He was on the ground when a man next to him attempted to stop the robbery. He killed Michael Keane and was shot soon after. Althoguh the crew got away, the hostages (apart from the have a go hero). It is possible Luis went back into the vault but nothing has been confirmed until the second episode.

 

Luis crossed paths with Niko again (as he did with Johnny) at the mueseum. He ambushed the deal and got away with at least the diamonds. Niko was forced to flee for his life, fighting the Ancelottis and the Jewish Mob, setting up hostilities with the latter (he was already fighting the Ancelottis). Later on Nik oand Patrick springed a plan to kidnap Grace Ancelloti and were handing her over for the diamonds to Gay Tony, and Luis was presnet too. Unfortunately Bulgarin abmushed the deal and the full story of the ice is explained above.

 

Luis and Johnny

 

Luis met Johnny for the first time when Johnny attacked a deal where gay Tony was buying some diamonds from the Platypus chef. Gay Tonys boyfriend Evan Moss fled and Luis and Gay Tony escaped, while Evan held onto the diamonds. When Evan was klled and everyone in limo was too, Johnny grabbed the diamonds.

 

Johnny didn't meet Luis again until the Mueseum deal went wrong. Again, this was the last time the protaganists meet. But Johnny did hear of Luis through the Bryce Car Bug. When Congress Man Thomas Stubbs III asked Johnny to plant a bug, he planted it and later on was able to listen in. He heard Bernie Crane (Florian Cravic) talk about Luis when he was at the (possible gay bar) Hercules. He mentioned he was Tonys bodyguard and said he was attracted to him.

 

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The Four Batches of Coke

 

The First batch we see is being brought over a Toll bridge by the Angels Of Death in the back of a van. Elizabeta Torres hires Johnny Klebitz and his new friend Malc of The Uptown Riders to seize control of the Toll booth and kill the AOD when they try and cross the bridge and then steal the van containing the coke. The two are successful in doing this and they bring the coke back to a lockup for Elizabeta's bodygurd Andreas to pick it up later. Elizabeta then gets Little Jacob to find some buyers who just so happen to be the AOD, but they betrayed her and took the coke. Niko was sent to get it back from them and retrieved it, but ULPC operative Michelle (real name Karen) took it from him in order to use it as evidence against Elizabeta.

 

During this time Elizabeta's also had some more coke brought over to America from Puerto Rico by a coke mule called Marta. She arrived in the country and was about to be raped by a border inspection officer before she was rescued by Johnny Klebitz, who fought with LCPD and then evacuated her from Francis International, all while she speaks in Spanish to Johnny. John delivered her to Elizabeta who was very protective of her, and Malc and Johnny believed them to be in a rellationship.

Eventually Malc and Johnny went to sell the coke but they ended up shooting one of the buyers and escaping via Double T from a large police force.

 

The third batch of coke we see is when Niko starts working for the Pegorinos when one of their Capos Phil Bell has Niko accompany him to the docks in order to try and trick the Russians (who are now working with the Ancellotis) into loading a truck with coke that has been brought into Liberty on two speedboats. This however fails leaving Niko and Phil to fight for their lives against the Russians and highjack the speedboats containing the coke and drive them to a dock where one of Phil's guys is waiting to load it into a van. It is not yet known what becomes of this coke but it is assumed that Phil sells it for the Pegorinos in order to make money.

 

The Final load of coke that appears in the story is when John Gravelli a Mob Boss and friend of U.L.P sends Niko to a warehouse in Alderney to destroy several vans containing the product that the Russians are guarding for The Ancellotis. It is possible that this was coke imported by the Russians for the Mob to make up for the coke that they were practically responsible for letting the Pergorinos take earlier. Thanks to Money Over Bullsh*t for this section icon14.gif

 

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Ray Boccino - Connections with the Story

 

Ray Boccino is mostly connected due to his organisation of the diamond robbery's and deal, which is a key centre point for the 3 protaganists to meet. Ray is an employer of Johhny and Niko, using Niko to rid himself of triators ad troublesome business partners, and uses Johnny and the Lost to initally steal the ice and distribute them for Niko and Luca Silvestri's crew to pick them up in Taking in the Trash. Ray becomes Johnny's enemy after he orders Niko (his cleaner) to take care of the bikers with his money, an anonymus one and Jim Fitzgerald.

 

Ray did this after Johnny escaped from the deal with the money, betraying Ray. he sent 4 sqauds of hitmen after Johnny, but Johnny survived thanks to a tip off about the impending attack by his ex girlfriend and the person who told Ray about the diamonds, Ashley Butler. Johnny's only work for Ray was with the diamonds, while Niko did some work involving the blunder and trying to clean it up after they were lost. Ray was eventually executed on James Pegorino's order by Niko, after Jimmy P thoguht ray was a rat.

 

It is currently unknown if Ray will play a large role in the DLC 2, although it is unlikely you will work for him as Luis (due tot he fact Luis works with the Ancelottis) DLC 2 is linked with the diamonds so chances are Luis will have to fight against Ray or Ray will at elast play an important part, although the spot of main antagonist is looking like it will be filled by Ray Bulgarin, the Russian who is also heavily embroiled in the diamond fiasco.

 

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Elizabeta Torres - Connections with the Story

 

Elizabeta was the boss of a reasonably small time cocaine distribution Cartel that operated from a Bohan project. She was a highly volatile lesbian and coke addict, who also employed both Niko and Johnny. By the last time we see her, she has been arrested for drug charges and is facing 300 years of jail time due to collected sentences of cocaine distribution of 10 years each. Although that fate isn't a good one, Elizabeta is a very strong woman who I would dare say could stay powerful even behind bars.

 

In TLAD she meets Johnny through Malc of the Uptown Riders, one of her numerous contacts. She puts Johnny in contact with Playboy X and Niko Bellic, and helps Johnny find a buyer for the H stolen from the AoD. Although thr opeation is a sting, they escape, but Johnny does stil lget pressure from the FIB due to the sting later on. Elizabeta has several high up members turn states witness and she becomes increasingly paranoid; mostly through her addiciton to cocaine. She has Johnny escort her sexual partner and coke mule Marta from the airport, and her last work for Johnny is a cocaine deal, that goes awry and Malc and Johnny are forced to escape from many cop cars.

 

In IV she employs Niko through Mallorie, Roman's girlfriend and fiancee. Niko intially does one job with Patrick McReary, but later on starts more regular work with Elizabeta. He oversees the aforementioned H deal and barely escapes from it with Playboy X. Niko does more work with her, and retrieves some Coke taken from her by the AoD, and kept in an anbandoned hospital. His final job for her is to dispose of the dead bodies of Manny Escuela and his cameraman, who were shot by a paranoid Liz while she was being filmed. She then cuts her ties with him after the heat closes in.

 

She may be a possible emplyer for Luis if he is the next protangist for DLC 2. It is mentioned she has contact with the Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers, Luis' gang. It would be a logical explanation, seeing as she is a link between Johnny and Niko, their only other common employer being Ray, who is unlikely to have Luis working for him as they are enemies, although Ray is still probably a large part in Luis' story none the less.

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El Zilcho

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Since I'm hogging this space, I guess I'll ask what does everyone think so far?

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JJ Long

I'd go with Revenge being the canon ending.

 

I honestly do not think there is one true canon ending, but if there was I would say it was revenge. You could tell that towards the end of the story that Niko wanted out. When talking to Pegorino in the strip club, he wanted out. Dimitri was an obstacle in his way of getting out and he had already double crossed Niko once before and Niko is not that forgiving of a person when it comes to that crap. Also, when throughout the entire game does Niko ever listen to Roman? Niko also sees that Money isn't everything before the end because again he wants out, he sees Roman stop gambling and start to settle down. Plus he sees how much Roman gambled and got into trouble over money. While the most likely canon think when it comes to the fate of Darko is that Niko lets Darko live because that is a fate worse than death for Darko, he would probably see Dimitri as a current threat and stood in his way of getting out. So in my opinion, revenge is the way he would go.

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El Zilcho
I'd go with Revenge being the canon ending.

 

I honestly do not think there is one true canon ending, but if there was I would say it was revenge. You could tell that towards the end of the story that Niko wanted out. When talking to Pegorino in the strip club, he wanted out. Dimitri was an obstacle in his way of getting out and he had already double crossed Niko once before and Niko is not that forgiving of a person when it comes to that crap. Also, when throughout the entire game does Niko ever listen to Roman? Niko also sees that Money isn't everything before the end because again he wants out, he sees Roman stop gambling and start to settle down. Plus he sees how much Roman gambled and got into trouble over money. While the most likely canon think when it comes to the fate of Darko is that Niko lets Darko live because that is a fate worse than death for Darko, he would probably see Dimitri as a current threat and stood in his way of getting out. So in my opinion, revenge is the way he would go.

I'm going to do my spin on all these moral choices soon, and then add some stuff on Johnny. Hang around you'll see it soon.

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Fawkstraht

revenge HAS to be canonical. niko would NEVER deal with dimitri and PROMISED to kill him. its an ending that makes niko a tragic hero while still being true to his nature. but i really think r* will build their story to fit both endings (not at the same time of course, but so the player's choice is canon either way).

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It might be worth noting that you kill Evan Moss, Gay Tony's boyfriend, for the diamonds. And you attempt to sell them to Isaac Roth, as well as his partner Mori Green.

 

 

What I'd really like to know about is Elizabeta's coke. In Snow Storm, you have to go get her coke back from the Angels, but I don't recall why they have it to begin with. Not to mention that it could be the coke that Marta smuggles in.

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Derelict Frog

Update the "Heroin" section to mention the deal with Niko and Playboy X that was an LCPD sting.

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Bul1etSp0nge

If the deal ending was the real ending then Niko would probably leave Liberty City and start over somewhere else by himself. Even though everything was over I don't think he could have stayed. Maybe he moves to Vice City and gets pulled into more bullsh*t.

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El Zilcho

Ok, The Heroin has been updated to inclyude the busted deal.

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What I'd really like to know about is Elizabeta's coke.  In Snow Storm, you have to go get her coke back from the Angels, but I don't recall why they have it to begin with.  Not to mention that it could be the coke that Marta smuggles in.

Little Jacob has his fingers in this as well as he introduced the dealers to Elizabeta.

Since you get busted by Michelle/Karen at the end of 'Snowstorm', the bust is most likely set up by U.L. Paper (cia?), and is perhaps related to the coke distribution (where the Ancelottis are dealing cocaine with the Russians) you hijack (with Phil Bell) in 'Catch the Wave' and destroy (for Gravelli) in 'Liquidize the Assets'.

I wonder who the bust in 'Snowstorm' was originally set up to catch? It was guarded by the Angels of Death, who are known for working with the mafia (Ancelottis?).

 

There have been quite a few missions regarding drugs, but mostly weed for Jacob. I don't remember what type of drugs the dealers you took out in 'Luck of the Irish' was dealing either (if it was mentioned at all).

And I know nothing about Marta, I'm guessing it's something TLAD related.

 

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I found it funny how Niko joked with Phil Bells paranoia about calling it 'Heroin' instead of 'H', but after the 'To Live and Die in Alderney' escape, Niko starts calling it 'H' as well biggrin.gif (it may have been another mission)

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El Zilcho
It might be worth noting that you kill Evan Moss, Gay Tony's boyfriend, for the diamonds. And you attempt to sell them to Isaac Roth, as well as his partner Mori Green.

 

 

What I'd really like to know about is Elizabeta's coke. In Snow Storm, you have to go get her coke back from the Angels, but I don't recall why they have it to begin with. Not to mention that it could be the coke that Marta smuggles in.

When do you kill Evan Moss? Is it when you attack the limo in the mission Diamonds In The Rough?

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SovietWarrior42

Nice work, man. We can also expect some of these crossing storylines in the next episode, particularly the Diamonds. There were also some drugs Elizabeta gets you to steal back in her first mission which I thought was related to Snow Storm, but it probably wasn't.

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Nice work, man. We can also expect some of these crossing storylines in the next episode, particularly the Diamonds. There were also some drugs Elizabeta gets you to steal back in her first mission which I thought was related to Snow Storm, but it probably wasn't.

I'll try add some timeline for the Coke from Snow Storm.

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It might be worth noting that you kill Evan Moss, Gay Tony's boyfriend, for the diamonds.  And you attempt to sell them to Isaac Roth, as well as his partner Mori Green. 

 

 

What I'd really like to know about is Elizabeta's coke.  In Snow Storm, you have to go get her coke back from the Angels, but I don't recall why they have it to begin with.  Not to mention that it could be the coke that Marta smuggles in.

When do you kill Evan Moss? Is it when you attack the limo in the mission Diamonds In The Rough?

Yeah. He's one of the guys sat in the back shooting at you.

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TinCan

I think the Platypus was brought in by Bulgarin (working for Petrovic?), since Dimitri (who works with Bulgarin) use it in the revenge mission, but this is somewhat speculation as well. We'll probably get the full story after the next episode.

 

There's also a lot of speculation from my part about the Coke, but not much facts.

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El Zilcho

Yeah I'm thinking about postponing the coke's joureny as the coke could really be seperate batches, unlike the diamonds or the H.

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Claude4Catalina

To one of the above posters-the gang in'Luck of The Irish' was the Spanish Lords, whom have a high presence over South Bohan, and the rest of the map.

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williamk76

Good job El Zilcho! I was a little confused on the diamonds.

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Versityle

WOW, I had no idea the Herion from "Blow Your Cover" was the same one that Pegerino was selling to Dimitri!!!

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El Zilcho

I'm afraid there is no evdience pertaining to the coke being the same so I'll leave it out all together.

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Germanviking86

I believe the next DLC will be Luis Fernando Lopez.

 

Niko

-Crossed with Johnny and Luis at the jewel heist

 

Johnny

-Crossed with Luis twice

 

Luis

-Crossed with Johnny, along with Johnny and Niko

 

Something tells me that Luis has strong ties to the triads.

We may even see an appearance from a certain protagonist from CW.

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MC.
I believe the next DLC will be Luis Fernando Lopez.

 

Niko

-Crossed with Johnny and Luis at the jewel heist

 

Johnny

-Crossed with Luis twice

 

Luis

-Crossed with Johnny, along with Johnny and Niko

 

Something tells me that Luis has strong ties to the triads.

We may even see an appearance from a certain protagonist from CW.

Huang Lee?

 

Anyway, interesting. I didn't know about the Heroin connection. So now there's the Heroin connection and the Diamond connection. Interesting.

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Little Jacob has his fingers in this as well as he introduced the dealers to Elizabeta.

Since you get busted by Michelle/Karen at the end of 'Snowstorm', the bust is most likely set up by U.L. Paper (cia?), and is perhaps related to the coke distribution (where the Ancelottis are dealing cocaine with the Russians) you hijack (with Phil Bell) in 'Catch the Wave' and destroy (for Gravelli) in 'Liquidize the Assets'.

I wonder who the bust in 'Snowstorm' was originally set up to catch? It was guarded by the Angels of Death, who are known for working with the mafia (Ancelottis?).

Yes, I'm quoting myself confused.gif trying to wrap my head around the coke deals.

 

I just remembered that Jacob introduced the dealers to Elizabeta, who then ripped her off.

And I'm guessing the bust in 'Snowstorm' was set up by U.L.P.C.

 

But later in 'Paper Trail', Jacob is the gunman in the chopper that Niko pilots for U.L.P.C, meaning that he was in U.L.P.C.'s pocket as well.

So then; did Jacob have anything to do with setting Niko and Elizabeta up so U.L.P.C. could reel you in after 'Snowstorm' ?

Since Michelle/Karen blew her cover when getting the coke back from Niko, and Jacob was there as well (he should have been the only one to know where the drop-off was), her mission was most likely complete.

 

Coincidences? Were Niko backstabbed by Jacob as well? Or was this also when Jacob was reeled in? Or have I forgot some of the story?

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Little Jacob has his fingers in this as well as he introduced the dealers to Elizabeta.

Since you get busted by Michelle/Karen at the end of 'Snowstorm', the bust is most likely set up by U.L. Paper (cia?), and is perhaps related to the coke distribution (where the Ancelottis are dealing cocaine with the Russians) you hijack (with Phil Bell) in 'Catch the Wave' and destroy (for Gravelli) in 'Liquidize the Assets'.

I wonder who the bust in 'Snowstorm' was originally set up to catch? It was guarded by the Angels of Death, who are known for working with the mafia (Ancelottis?).

Yes, I'm quoting myself confused.gif trying to wrap my head around the coke deals.

 

I just remembered that Jacob introduced the dealers to Elizabeta, who then ripped her off.

And I'm guessing the bust in 'Snowstorm' was set up by U.L.P.C.

 

But later in 'Paper Trail', Jacob is the gunman in the chopper that Niko pilots for U.L.P.C, meaning that he was in U.L.P.C.'s pocket as well.

So then; did Jacob have anything to do with setting Niko and Elizabeta up so U.L.P.C. could reel you in after 'Snowstorm' ?

Since Michelle/Karen blew her cover when getting the coke back from Niko, and Jacob was there as well (he should have been the only one to know where the drop-off was), her mission was most likely complete.

 

Coincidences? Were Niko backstabbed by Jacob as well? Or was this also when Jacob was reeled in? Or have I forgot some of the story?

I don't think Jacob betrayed him. He was surprised as Niko when Michelle revealed herself and he was too close to Nik for that. I think U.L.P.C just fonud out that Nik owas friends with some guy adn then contacted him, because he could trust Jacob not to sell out Nik oand tell someone about ULPC.

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I don't think Jacob betrayed him. He was surprised as Niko when Michelle revealed herself and he was too close to Nik for that. I think U.L.P.C just fonud out that Nik owas friends with some guy adn then contacted him, because he could trust Jacob not to sell out Nik oand tell someone about ULPC.

I just watched the video of 'Paper Trail' on gta4.net, and they discussed ULPC so I guess Jacob was 'recruited' at the same time as Niko.

 

btw: In 'Snowstorm' the coke was guarded by AOD and some hispanic guys.

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El Zilcho

I think the Hispanic guys where the buyers.

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Hjalti

btw: In 'Snowstorm' the coke was guarded by AOD and some hispanic guys.

Jacob mentions on the Phone that he has been talking to some strange white guy who said he knows Niko, I guess thats ULPC

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El Zilcho

I've updated the crossovers section detailing all the crossovers between Johnny, Luis and Niko. Please post if I've left any meetings out.

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Pr0xy_fl00d3r

Awesome.

Can you do Elizabeta's coke?

 

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El Zilcho
Awesome.

Can you do Elizabeta's coke?

I belive it only appears in Snow Storm.

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