killer45acp Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) I reinstalled GTA IV today and I took some pics of the 1.0.0.0 vs 1.0.2.0 changes. 1.0.2.0 felt like things were missing, but I did not realize how many were really removed from the game until I played 1.0.0.0 again. It looks like the "Stunningly detailed, high resolution graphics" have been removed from the game. R* needs to add an option to turn these items on and off ASAP. The red Infernus is 1.0.0.0 and the green is 1.0.2.0. Edited February 17, 2009 by killer45acp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer45acp Posted February 12, 2009 Author Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) Edited February 17, 2009 by killer45acp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnZS Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Thanks for the informative screenshots killer45acp It is actually quite scary how much stuff they have taken out of the game, the first thing I noticed was the missing roadworks at the end of the bridge! Not meaning to sound like a proverbial troll, but taking these objects away does feel like they are taking the "life" out of a city and making it more "sterile/artificial" Hopefully it was a glitch and a future patch will add these objects (or at least most of them) back into the game. It would be a shame if our performance increases/rendering optimisations were only because R* took away some of the living and breathing atmosphere away from the city! John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defuser Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 It's a little strange how it only affects very specific areas, not types of objects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcin6 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 NICE TOPIC !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lh1 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 i think the next patch will not be develop by R* Toronto after what they have done to the first 2 patch.Instead, patch 3 will be develop by R*North and may release in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neon25 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 i think the next patch will not be develop by R* Toronto after what they have done to the first 2 patch.Instead, patch 3 will be develop by R*North and may release in March. It's like saying "EA Games released 2 crappy patches, so Ubisoft will release the next one". It doesn't make any sense. Rockstar North has NOTHING to do with PC version of GTA IV, and after all the hatred from the community I doubt they would like to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) Thats weird, i have patch 1.0.2 but i am sure my game has no missing items as you posted, ill try to take some screenshots. Edit: Nah i was wrong, its all missing too. Edited February 13, 2009 by thales100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cylon Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I knew stuff was missing but Jesus, I didn't know how much they have taken out. Screw this patch. Is there any way to revert back to the previous version or I have to reinstall the whole game? edit: and how am I going to do that when this crappy Live will download the patch for me? I remember a notification which said that Live will download an update now and if I don't want to then the whole game will close, or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reznor Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 After checking I see that I also the same missing objects... I had not played since a week, and now I am disappointed, GTA IV world is sterile !!!! No more play for me... Rockstart Toronto are bad, very bad developers After 2 months, missing objects.... After 6 months, missing buildings...? After 10 months, missing characters ...? missing game ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro_PT Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Since I installed this patch I noticed that lots of objects were retired from the game. The first thing I noticed was the cones, fences and other "street work" related objects on the bridge that connects Dukes to Bohan and Algonquin. But there are much more places, and some of them even interfere with missions or pigeon hunting. For example there are at least 2 pigeons (one in Alderney, the other I don't remember) that are standing in mid-air, because the object that they were supposed to be standing on was removed. These pictures show even more removed stuff, which is something I don't understand at all. Why did they do this? I don't believe that those objects caused so much lag or graphical problems... I wonder if it's a bug with this patch? I prefer to think it is, although it's very weird that Rockstar Toronto didn't say a word about it... I hope they fix it. Those objects is what gives life to Liberty City after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMO1000 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 As far as we know these items are not present in multiplayer play, and never have been. The map is simplified in multiplayer, presumably for performance reasons. There is a bug which affects many, but not all, systems with the 1.0.2.0 patch, which means that these items don't appear in single player either. Most people can get them back by uninstalling and reinstalling 1.0.0.0. However, the items remain missing on my own 1.0.0.0 and 1.0.1.0 reinstalls. However, I can't swear for certain that they were ever there for me when I was playing 1.0.1.0 before 1.0.2.0 came out. So the missing items bug doesn't affect everyone, can occur with any version of the game, but is much more prevalent on 1.0.2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro_PT Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Those items are present in multiplayer yes. I'm sure of that, specially the ones on the bridge. I spent lots of time online, and only after patch 2 I noticed those objects missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reznor Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 is it possible to restore objects with the 1001 patch or do I have to uninstall the game ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro_PT Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I think you have to reinstall the game if you want to revert the patches. Sadly the Games for Windows LIVE doesn't let you play if you don't apply the last patch. I mean, you can play of course, I just think you won't get achievements and you won't be able to play online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer45acp Posted February 14, 2009 Author Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) I just installed patch 1.0.1.0 over 1.0.2.0 and GTA IV will not start, so you have to reinstall GTA IV if you want the items back. It has been 21 days since the release of 1.0.2.0, I think the items were removed when you apply patch 1.0.2.0 and R* is calling it Rendering Optimizations. One of Little Jacob's job missions has you hide some drugs under this trash can in 1.0.0.0, but in 1.0.2.0 the trash can is gone. Edited February 17, 2009 by killer45acp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logitechdog Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) allready a topic about this with screen shots in the 1.0.2.0 patch bug topic, ages ago, you guys just noticing it lol more likely a mistake than rendering optimizations... that would be using low lvl models then increase the detail of them as you get closer, than removing them, or using zbrush to make the object look more detailed than it is, or change the algorithms... since why would a bird be sitting on an invisable object if it was meant to be removed... and pull out tones of stuff that is needed, also hotdog vendor guys without they vendor stands Edited February 14, 2009 by logitechdog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer45acp Posted February 14, 2009 Author Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) allready a topic about this with screen shots in the 1.0.2.0 patch bug topic, ages ago, you guys just noticing it lol more likely a mistake than rendering optimizations... that would be using low lvl models then increase the detail of them as you get closer, than removing them, or using zbrush to make the object look more detailed than it is, or change the algorithms... since why would a bird be sitting on an invisable object if it was meant to be removed... and pull out tones of stuff that is needed, also hotdog vendor guys without they vendor stands I have not seen a topic that has before and after pics at the same angle, that was the reason I started this one. If you look at the pics, 1.0.2.0 has less clutter, so the game has less to render, which is why I think R* removed these items to improve performance on crappy PC's. I don't think R* realized that if they took those objects out the game they would mess up some things like Little Jacob's job missions etc. Edited February 14, 2009 by killer45acp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nillansan Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Good job Killer! I hope Rockstar will fix this without messing up the game any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nillansan Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 allready a topic about this with screen shots in the 1.0.2.0 patch bug topic, ages ago, you guys just noticing it lol This thread provides a lot more screenies, which is quite a contribution. This dude obviously spend a lot of time on this. And no, a lot of us were already aware of this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logitechdog Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=393968&st=20 well sweet started it off and R* avoided saying anything about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer45acp Posted February 15, 2009 Author Share Posted February 15, 2009 http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=393968&st=20 well sweet started it off and R* avoided saying anything about it... Yes we are looking into the missing hot dog vendors. There are vendors/peds that only appear during certain times of day or when other conditions are met, are ALL the vendors gone in your game or only some? So far the vendors I never see anymore are the one in front of the motorcycle shop in Alderney, and the one here -> pic location I have come back at different times of day and still don't see them. That said, there are still some vendors in my game, and those that are have been there any time I went to visit them. The other missing objects (benches, cones, concrete dividers, metal dividers/gate things) are in all sorts of places. In the first and second pic there should be all sorts of objects that make up the construction/road work area. Oddly there is still a ped there with a sign directing you around the now non-existent construction. In the third pic there should be benches in that oval in the background, as well as some metal dividers/gates just outside the fence. A picture of the area in my third pic that someone took for comparison. There are also missing objects on the road below that, as you come out of the tunnel there should be some orange traffic cones (they aren't really cones, as they are cylindrical, but I'm not sure what they're called.) That's all I can think of off the top of my head. ...and these...^^ http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1563/bi...yke74584lg8.jpg http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9443/chairlesstw9.jpg If i remember correctly in this place been dumpster , and now with patch i saw there are lot`s off object`s missing in game , look :It`s Jakob mission to hide drugs under dumpster Where ?? OMG :| This is really annoying, I hope that R* will provide some quick fix to this issue. I wanted to get on top of this building and I can't. http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6016/38035924vp2.jpg In this screen where the red circle is, there should be air vent attached to the wall, you can hang on it and then pull yourself onto the roof. Now it is a no go, this vent isn't there anymore. btw. how can a crack for a pirated copy fix this issue? I`ve found a new bug in new patchWhen you drunk with you buddy , you have drunked camera , but wait and drunked camera go away , but you still drive like you been drunked :| And the police stick to our`s ass : / LOL ! Gerry mission , pick up bomb ok , but in patch 1.0.2.0 where is the bomb , there are no object`s like dumpster`s etc .. Look clean alley :| In 9 pages I only see 1 before pic in that topic, all of the rest are after, most having little or no information about the location and give you no idea what it looked like before patch 1.0.2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrati0nal Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I have somewhat experienced this, sometimes the clutter is there sometimes not. But what I think is that to achieve the large performance increase between patch 1 and 2 Rockstar just removed a lot of the objects, and thus rendering less gives us the performance boost. Or something similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punisher.ita Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Very nice job and thread mate! Rockstar, you really think none would have noticed them? You damn suck! What about an option: "object density"! I want them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nillansan Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 (edited) Very nice job and thread mate! Rockstar, you really think none would have noticed them? You damn suck! What about an option: "object density"! I want them back. I still don't think that Rockstar did this on purpose. An Object Density option sounds like a good idea, since certain members of this forum apparently benefit from a reduction in the amount of game world objects. "There was me actually playing the game and not worrying about having less crap to crash into." - PacMaan. Edited February 16, 2009 by Nillansan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punisher.ita Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Very nice job and thread mate! Rockstar, you really think none would have noticed them? You damn suck! What about an option: "object density"! I want them back. I still don't think that Rockstar did this on purpose. An Object Density option sounds like a good idea, since certain members of this forum apparently benefit from a reduction in the amount of game world objects. "There was me actually playing the game and not worrying about having less crap to crash into." - PacMaan. Yeah, but let us choose . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer45acp Posted February 17, 2009 Author Share Posted February 17, 2009 I added more pics to the top of page 1. You don't have to update, just say no. R* fix the missing items & the RESC10 error and GTA IV will be great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_153D Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 R* fix the missing items & the RESC10 error and GTA IV will be great! And bring back those damn news ticker displays! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer45acp Posted February 17, 2009 Author Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) What about these displays? They work properly only on the console versions. Yep you are absolutely right Red_153D it is possible all these displays are linked together via a script that isn't working properly or something like that. I really can't remember if these displays ever worked on the PC, I didn't notice them not working till I saw this thread. I might be tempted to uninstall the game and reinstall it but not patch it and see if these displays ever worked. No need to, I've reinstalled vanilla and they do not work. Both the clocktower and the ticker's. EDIT: Just wanted to post screen's (didn't get the clocktower, but it doesn't work never the less): Made sure it wasn't a texture problem (low, med, high), had them on high for the screens. It seems crazy that they work on the console versions, but they don't on the PC version with its "stunningly detailed, high resolution graphics" . What really sucks is the box art shows them working! Edited February 18, 2009 by killer45acp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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