davetheshrew Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 (edited) ive been looking around all decent forums about these CTD (crash to desktop) with new games and even in some cases peoples monitors turning off forcing a reboot. I have also been having issues with FC2 and unreal 3 to name but a few. I reckon its on board sound that is causing hella trouble for a lot of people. I have a realtek onboard with my asus p5q pro but my brothers IDENTICAL system has an x-fi card in it. His comp NEVER CTD/ turns off monitor, but mine does. soooo.. i put his card in mine and wahlaa, no probs at all Should we all be out buying x-fi cards? my spec [email protected] 3.0Ghz 4Gb ocz reaper @800 mhz 4-4-4-15 club 3d 4850 Asus p5q pro also does anyone else experience problems with CTD or the monitor turning off thing, that one is really annoying me. thanks Edited February 9, 2009 by davetheshrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinthar Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I've been having the CTD problems, but I didn't suspect them to be onboard sound related because the fault was always identified as being the ATI driver, so I suspected an incompatibility between Catalyst 9.1 drivers and Patch 2. Since NVidia people also are having these CTD's, perhaps the onboard sound is the cause. Anyway to test this (perhaps by temporarily uninstalling all onboard sound drivers and disabling it)? Do your CTD's also cite the atium whatever .dll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig3000 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 well i can tell you i have a xifi and i have had no crashing for a balanced gaming system i think people should always include a sound card mine was £40 but a £20 would be fine i suspect it helps because it offloads sounds from the processor making it less demanding also sound cards give you better quality having a sound card can also stop stuttering in sound and slowdown for example a certain level on Crysis where lots of explosions are happening caused slowdown and crackling in noise after getting a sound card it was all good ALSO if you have an ATI card be wary of the 9.1 drivers there causing CTD in a fair few games so if you are experiencing this roll back to 8.12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Well to balance things out, I have onboard sound for both my PC's and neither have experienced any crash to desktops. I am not saying it isn't possible that some onboard sound configurations could be causing problems but it is equally likely that some sound cards will cause problems as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qumulys Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Hmmm, well, onboard sound may be causing the issues for you, but unfortunately I'm having the CTD issues (using both 8.12 and 9.1) and I'm not using onboard sound at all. I have a [email protected] ESI recording sound card installed but still have the CTD's. Its caused me to give up on FC2 and GTA4. It sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 (edited) Those who suspect issues from onboard sound ought to try the -minspecaudio flag in the commandline.txt That said, it seems more like you may be facing compatibility issues with catalyst drivers and your on board solution. if there are other, or newer, drivers for your integrated sound, give those a try. If not, try simply disabling your onboard sound and not testing with a sound card at all. If you are absolutely positive this isn't a faulty GPU (your rig seems new enough to still be in the testing and burning-in stages) then I'd go check your system logs and see exactly what is the issue. Is your CTD without an error message? Does it bluescreen too? When you get black-panel and the picture dies, is it during gameplay without VPU Recover enabled? If VPU recover is enabled when this occurs, is there any odd behavior just before the black-panel? edit: scratch not testing without a sound card, GTA requires this, but you can test other games without the sound card at all. Once you've tested without a sound card AT ALL and the problem is gone, you know it has something to do with that. How many of your ram bays are you using to get 4GB/how many available total? Edited February 9, 2009 by chngdman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psymn321 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 i have xfi and do crash occasionally. There is a pretty obvious pattern tho. I crash to desktop just as i respawn in a race, or just the moment i cross the finish line. Seems like a game bug to me or it would happen randomly throughout the track but i would say 90%+ of all crashes have been at one of those two points for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetheshrew Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 Those who suspect issues from onboard sound ought to try the -minspecaudio flag in the commandline.txt That said, it seems more like you may be facing compatibility issues with catalyst drivers and your on board solution. if there are other, or newer, drivers for your integrated sound, give those a try. If not, try simply disabling your onboard sound and not testing with a sound card at all. If you are absolutely positive this isn't a faulty GPU (your rig seems new enough to still be in the testing and burning-in stages) then I'd go check your system logs and see exactly what is the issue. Is your CTD without an error message? Does it bluescreen too? When you get black-panel and the picture dies, is it during gameplay without VPU Recover enabled? If VPU recover is enabled when this occurs, is there any odd behavior just before the black-panel? edit: scratch not testing without a sound card, GTA requires this, but you can test other games without the sound card at all. Once you've tested without a sound card AT ALL and the problem is gone, you know it has something to do with that. How many of your ram bays are you using to get 4GB/how many available total? how do i check for vpu recover?? on further testing i found my monitor still turns off, i noticed sound goes also when this happens, most annoying thanks for the posts guys hopefully il be able to game happily soon oh, my ram is 1gb sticks, one in each slot. No blue screen, could this be my 4850 crapping out? i noticed the heatsink on the card is a dual slot affair with no cooling on the ram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig3000 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 u dont need the ram cooled at default clocks anyway is your setup a single or crossfire and what driver versions are you using e.g 8.11, 8.12, 9.1? the 8.12 is best to use atm, 9.1 drivers have been known to cause CTD also check your temps download GPU-Z at an average room temp you should get around 38-48 degrees C with a dual slot cooler around 60-80 load Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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