BAMJ6 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Those 2 are in my system now i won both of them via ebay as i thought it would be the best combo when i underwent my PC retooling (same mobo only) If i went higher, it would've a better gpu than my bro but he has the better cpu to make the most of it (Q6600). When i ran the benchmark with the latest patch i got this. over 30 FPS for the first time in the auto benchmark Statistics Average FPS: 31.81 Duration: 36.94 sec CPU Usage: 96% System memory usage: 73% Video memory usage: 78% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1152 x 864 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: High Reflection Resolution: Medium Water Quality: High Shadow Quality: Medium View Distance: 21 Detail Distance: 10 Definition: Off VSync: On Hardware Microsoft® Windows Vista Black Edition" 2009 Service Pack 1 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT Video Driver version: 181.20 Audio Adapter: Speakers (C-Media PCI Audio Device) AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4800+ Should i get the new GPU despite being unable to go higher on the 939? (the best non GTX available) or just wait for my bro's computer within a year or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emcax24 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 i wish i got 30fps. you're lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 (edited) I really don't think a new gpu will help you. The 9600gt is a "decent" mid range card and I don't believe you are even maxing that out. Here is my benchmark done with the same settings as you :- Average FPS: 54.20 Duration: 37.10 sec CPU Usage: 78% System memory usage: 69% Video memory usage: 98% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1152 x 864 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: High Reflection Resolution: Medium Water Quality: High Shadow Quality: Medium View Distance: 21 Detail Distance: 10 Definition: Off VSync: On Hardware Microsoft® Windows Vista" Ultimate Service Pack 1 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS Video Driver version: 181.20 Audio Adapter: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio) Intel® Core2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz The 9600gt is pretty much on the same level as my 8800gts (it's a G80 based card not the newer 8800gts before I get some smartarse claiming I am wrong). If you are hedging your bets then you can probably say the 9600gt is a tad bit more powerful than my G80 based 8800gts. Yet I am able to get 54fps in the benchmarks and you only get 31fps and by the looks of it that sure aint down to the gpu since technically yours is "slightly" better. If you look at your benchmark you will see your cpu is running at 96% so I would say it is fair to say you are maxxing out your cpu long before you max out your gpu. If you got your brothers cpu and shoved the 9600gt in with it you would probably see benchmarks along my lines. Till then I wouldn't do something silly like buy a 9800gtx and find out your benchmarks didn't change one bit. Edited February 8, 2009 by CharmingCharlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAMJ6 Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 I really don't think a new gpu will help you. The 9600gt is a "decent" mid range card and I don't believe you are even maxing that out. Here is my benchmark done with the same settings as you :- Average FPS: 54.20 Duration: 37.10 sec CPU Usage: 78% System memory usage: 69% Video memory usage: 98% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1152 x 864 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: High Reflection Resolution: Medium Water Quality: High Shadow Quality: Medium View Distance: 21 Detail Distance: 10 Definition: Off VSync: On Hardware Microsoft® Windows Vista" Ultimate Service Pack 1 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS Video Driver version: 181.20 Audio Adapter: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio) Intel® Core2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz The 9600gt is pretty much on the same level as my 8800gts (it's a G80 based card not the newer 8800gts before I get some smartarse claiming I am wrong). If you are hedging your bets then you can probably say the 9600gt is a tad bit more powerful than my G80 based 8800gts. Yet I am able to get 54fps in the benchmarks and you only get 31fps and by the looks of it that sure aint down to the gpu since technically yours is "slightly" better. If you look at your benchmark you will see your cpu is running at 96% so I would say it is fair to say you are maxxing out your cpu long before you max out your gpu. If you got your brothers cpu and shoved the 9600gt in with it you would probably see benchmarks along my lines. Till then I wouldn't do something silly like buy a 9800gtx and find out your benchmarks didn't change one bit. So for my 939 mobo, i picked the best balance cpu/gpu i could've upgraded to. going from barely teens to 30's in my desired res. If i had my brothers current Q6600 setup i wouldn't use the 9600 GT as he has the 8800 GT he bought to complement it in December 07. Only issue about his card has nothing to do with games. It's about Purevideo and whether it has the same version as the 9600 GT one. I started watching HD/Bluray quality movies as one of the benefits of the GTA 4 computer retooling as it has allowed me to enjoy them a lot more. I didn't even try to watch those quality movies when my current mobo still had the single core because it would kick my old cpu's ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbi1988 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 problem is with your CPU I've got 8800GT 512MB (G92) and benchmark fps are Statistics Average FPS: 55.39 Duration: 37.12 sec CPU Usage: 72% System memory usage: 59% Video memory usage: 99% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1440 x 900 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: Highest Reflection Resolution: Very High Water Quality: Very High Shadow Quality: High View Distance: 25 Detail Distance: 37 Definition: On VSync: On Hardware Microsoft® Windows Vista" Home Premium Service Pack 1 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT Video Driver version: 181.22 Audio Adapter: G³o¶niki (Realtek High Definition Audio) Intel® Core2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz File ID: benchmark.cli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky is King Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 hmm i WAS in the same boat you are now, I had a 4800x2 and a 8800GTX 1 year ago, almost exactly. I sold my amd crap on ebay, and bought a q6600 and 4gb of ram and motherboard off newegg, cost me about $180 out of pocket for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emcax24 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 i guess we could pretend its your cpu cept theres people with your same cpu getting higher fps with video cards lesser than yours. sh*t theres people with weaker cpus than you getting better fps. i saw a thread with a x2-3800+ getting better fps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Your CPU usage is at 96%. Your CPU is probably bottlenecking your 9600GT. I'd recommend a CPU upgrade over a GPU upgrade, but since you have 939, your best bet would be to get a Intel board, CPU and RAM (if your's is DDR). Or you could try overclocking your CPU, but those CPUs aren't really the best overclockers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzy Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Have you tried the AMD dual core optimiser drivers? I think it helped me a bit. But I only get about 34 fps in the bench so maybe not. AMD Dual-Core Optimizer Version 1.1.4 - The AMD Dual-Core Optimizer can help improve some PC gaming video performance by compensating for those applications that bypass the Windows API for timing by directly using the RDTSC (Read Time Stamp Counter) instruction. Applications that rely on RDTSC do not benefit from the logic in the operating system to properly account for the affect of power management mechanisms on the rate at which a processor core's Time Stamp Counter (TSC) is incremented. The AMD Dual-Core Optimizer helps to correct the resulting video performance effects or other incorrect timing effects that these applications may experience on dual-core processor systems, by periodically adjusting the core time-stamp-counters, so that they are synchronized. http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/Techni...1_13118,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emcax24 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 his cpu isnt bottlenecking anything. the cpu is supposed toe be 100% or else why the f*ck are you bothering with a game thats not taking advantage of your hardware. this game just isnt optimized. thats all. nothing you can do about it. you can either be a dumbass and keep throwing power at it, or you can wait for rockstar to patch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Cheese_Man Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 his cpu isnt bottlenecking anything. the cpu is supposed toe be 100% or else why the f*ck are you bothering with a game thats not taking advantage of your hardware. this game just isnt optimized. thats all. nothing you can do about it. you can either be a dumbass and keep throwing power at it, or you can wait for rockstar to patch it. 96% usage is awfully close to maxing out the CPU's capability. So I would rather get a new motherboard that supports quads, a Phenom 2 quadcore processor or a Core 2 Quad from Inte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig3000 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 his cpu isnt bottlenecking anything. the cpu is supposed toe be 100% or else why the f*ck are you bothering with a game thats not taking advantage of your hardware. this game just isnt optimized. thats all. nothing you can do about it. you can either be a dumbass and keep throwing power at it, or you can wait for rockstar to patch it. the cpu isnt supposed to be anything % if your CPU was running programs at 100% it wouldnt last long so if his cpu wasn't creating a bottleneck are you suggesting if he upgraded to a quad 2.4ghz it wouldn't make a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emcax24 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 you guys are really stupid round here, i guess you all must be kids. open up any other game and tell me its not using 100% of the cpu i dare you. i double dare you motherf*cker say what again.... errr i mean go ahead and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAMJ6 Posted February 11, 2009 Author Share Posted February 11, 2009 When i first did the overhaul in October, i did want a new mobo, but a few things had me keep my current mobo 1. I wasn't gonna go quad core for just this game especially with my bro having a better one that i would've bought. 2. I wasn't gonna go dual core on a new computer knowing i could pop a dual core in my current mobo At the end of the day, i'll just wait for my brother's current rig to further upgrade my GTA 4 experience. When he gets a new rig (I7 though the Phenom II's are intriguing to him) The x2 4800 + 9600 GT is the best possible setup for a 939 as far as balance is concerned. I don't know what the ATI equivalent setup would be though. Any higher tier gpu and it won't be worth the money for it as the gpu is way too powerful for the cpu. Any lesser gpu and the performance would be lacking in all newer games, plus i wouldn't be able to use the gpu decoding to play blu ray quality movies well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeperRed Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 you guys are really stupid round here, i guess you all must be kids. open up any other game and tell me its not using 100% of the cpu i dare you. i double dare you motherf*cker say what again.... errr i mean go ahead and see. Ok another name to add to my ignore list. Yes a CPU/MOBO upgrade would be the way to go Try looking for a bundle deal i.e. Mobo/CPU/RAM Give me a budget and Ill see if I can whip something up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chroniss Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 you guys are really stupid round here, i guess you all must be kids. open up any other game and tell me its not using 100% of the cpu i dare you. i double dare you motherf*cker say what again.... errr i mean go ahead and see. Ok another name to add to my ignore list. Yes a CPU/MOBO upgrade would be the way to go Try looking for a bundle deal i.e. Mobo/CPU/RAM Give me a budget and Ill see if I can whip something up Yeah he's an ass but he's also right...you should not post in a thread about hardware recommendations if you think a CPU running at 100% will fry itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 you guys are really stupid round here, i guess you all must be kids. open up any other game and tell me its not using 100% of the cpu i dare you. i double dare you motherf*cker say what again.... errr i mean go ahead and see. wow, and it's you, of all people, you again. I do not feel bad for tearing apart your bullsh*t anymore. You really are an ass to say that. This game itself only uses my 1.86ghz processor to 88%. You are really funny, kid. Kinda feel like I'm trolling for this one, or that it will look that way... Go look at this kid's prior posts, the most recent. What an ignorant (as in dumb) jerk (as in jerk). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emcax24 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 you're happy because the game isnt utilizing your whole processor to run? that sounds like bad code to me. it uses my processor at 3ghz 96%+ guess what still runs like ass after a box of exlax. really sh*tty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 f*ck you. I'm sick and tired of stupid bitches like you who're pissed off because the game doesn't work well on their system and have to take it out on others. YOU are the one who has no f*cking idea what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanoCule Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Hahaha,i never read more stupidest comments like "x2 4600" is bottleneck from the guy who own Quad6600.I have x2 3800+ with 9800GTX+ and my frame rate with ur settings are 46 FPS.How do you explain that? Average FPS: 46.30 Duration: 37.10 sec CPU Usage: 86% System memory usage: 75% Video memory usage: 96% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1152 x 864 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: High Reflection Resolution: Medium Water Quality: High Shadow Quality: Medium View Distance: 21 Detail Distance: 10 Definition: Off VSync: On Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 (edited) Hahaha,i never read more stupidest comments like "x2 4600" is bottleneck from the guy who own Quad6600.I have x2 3800+ with 9800GTX+ and my frame rate with ur settings are 46 FPS.How do you explain that? Average FPS: 46.30 Duration: 37.10 sec CPU Usage: 86% System memory usage: 75% Video memory usage: 96% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1152 x 864 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: High Reflection Resolution: Medium Water Quality: High Shadow Quality: Medium View Distance: 21 Detail Distance: 10 Definition: Off VSync: On He is right, simply check op's CPU, RAM and VRAM usages when running the benchie : CPU Usage: 96% - reaching limit System memory usage: 73% - far from limit Video memory usage: 78% - far from limit Btw the 8800GTS is bottlenecking CharmingCharlie's result, with a better GPU he would get more FPS, considering the lower CPU (quad) usage he gets comparing to the VRAM, at 98%. Edited February 11, 2009 by thales100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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