The Second Episode

[The Notorious MOB]

 

Let's give Luis some credit shall we. Just because he's a criminal doesn't mean he was there to ROB the bank. He could have just been making a withdrawal and the heist happened. It could be that because he needed the money badly then he decided to rob some since the vault was open and obviously the employees can't help.

 

But you guys could be equally right, maybe he was there to rob the bank originally it's just that he seemed shooken up when the four barged in is all.

Luis seems to me to be a very accessible character like kind of the everyman type of person. Like he wont be this out of this world macho machine of a man... just an average guy from the hood that has fears and feelings... a bit like Niko but slightly less uninhibited.

 

I'd say that alot of the story will be focussed on faith as a main theme whereby things just seem to work themselves out somehow and that's where the much needed happy ending will come from. It will be quite a contrast to Niko's story I reckon.

[Claude4Catalina]

I think having to mess up drug deals and in generalhaving to kill Bikers would be quite cool. Luis would have wanted to escape the Lost attack in Diamonds In The Rough, so if inbetween that mission and the Museum shootup, I think we may have to mess things up for Bikers in general, seeing as Luis would have wanted to escape the attack, knowing only 'Bikers' have got the diamonds, not wether its The Lost or The AOD.

[Astrixone]

Let's give Luis some credit shall we. Just because he's a criminal doesn't mean he was there to ROB the bank. He could have just been making a withdrawal and the heist happened. It could be that because he needed the money badly then he decided to rob some since the vault was open and obviously the employees can't help.

 

But you guys could be equally right, maybe he was there to rob the bank originally it's just that he seemed shooken up when the four barged in is all.

Maybe he knew about the Robbery and he was there to spy...

I think that he got an unknown call from someone and he been told to meet him in this bank.

That guy that was stupidly killed must be the unknown caller....

 

What can be possible too is that luis came to put some money out (not iligel) for that gay someone, antony or tony...

[Derelict Frog]

If Luis were planning on robbing the bank, how would he have gone about it? He was simply standing in the queue, and he hadn't even taken down any guards (Packie and Derrick did so on the way in). Also, he was as far as we know by himself. I think it'd be pretty hard to rob a bank by yourself.

 

Also, why was Eugene Reaper (the man that shot Michael Keane) carrying a gun in a bank if he was just meant to be some ordinary bloke?

[Rhoda]

Also, why was Eugene Reaper (the man that shot Michael Keane) carrying a gun in a bank if he was just meant to be some ordinary bloke?

He seems to be in some form of gun club, judging by his love for war and armaments. He's one of those "I spent four years in 'Nam crawling on my belly" types of people, and wouldn't leave the house without a gun. It just so happens he's in a bank, and can justifiably use it.

[JOSEPH X]

I was wondering how Luis knows about the location of the diamond deal. Luis knows it was The Lost who stole the diamonds, so it could be a stealth mission where you follow Johnny to the museum from The Lost HQ.

 

[Versityle]

I was wondering how Luis knows about the location of the diamond deal. Luis knows it was The Lost who stole the diamonds, so it could be a stealth mission where you follow Johnny to the museum from The Lost HQ.

He'd probably know about through the person you do the mission for just like Johnny new about the "Diamonds in the Rough" Platypus deal through Ray Grand Theft Auto never looks into deep about exactly what time a deal is taking place, usually you enter the mission marker and it's triggered.

[Astrixone]

 

If Luis were planning on robbing the bank, how would he have gone about it? He was simply standing in the queue, and he hadn't even taken down any guards (Packie and Derrick did so on the way in). Also, he was as far as we know by himself. I think it'd be pretty hard to rob a bank by yourself.

 

Also, why was Eugene Reaper (the man that shot Michael Keane) carrying a gun in a bank if he was just meant to be some ordinary bloke?

Maybe what i said was possible.

Maybe luis and him aranged this meeting at the bank while luis even didnt know that the one that got shot and shot one of the robbers was the one told him to meet him there.

 

 

II J0SePh X II if it helps when i searched for clues in museum pieace before i met johnny i found a bike (might be johnny's) parked outside the door he escape.

After the cutscene was over the bike wasnt there..

What i tried to say is that maybe luis followed johnny's bike until he parked near the deal place.

 

The people who have TLAD:

You should look for clues about luis too.

If you see luis at the roof in TLAD credits it means that you can find him on the roof.

Escape fast, Take helicopter and go to the roof.

Another possible is that you will see issac loses the diamonds when issac shot him from the roof.

Issac supose to stand behind some box as someone said here

Edited May 26, 2009 by Astrixone

[KGBeast]

You think people haven't investigated that yet? Luis does not appear in the actual mission, and all Isaac does is cower in fear and then disappear as soon as you move far enough away from him.

 

And Eugene is a member of the gun club, he was really more a laugh from Rockstar at those overzealous gun loving Republicans, like Phil Cassidy only not as skilled. It was purely there to introduce conflict to the mission. You guys are thinking way too hard about something simple.

[JOSEPH X]

I was wondering how Luis knows about the location of the diamond deal. Luis knows it was The Lost who stole the diamonds, so it could be a stealth mission where you follow Johnny to the museum from The Lost HQ.

He'd probably know about through the person you do the mission for just like Johnny new about the "Diamonds in the Rough" Platypus deal through Ray Grand Theft Auto never looks into deep about exactly what time a deal is taking place, usually you enter the mission marker and it's triggered.

Yeah, Someone calls him, tells him where Johnny is, you go to the mission marker and trigger a cutscene of Johnny coming out and getting on his bike and you follow him to the deal.

 

The alternative is he is told by someone who knows where the deal is going down, and that would be Ray, the Jewish Mob or maybe Phil Bell (doubt that, Ray wouldn`t tell him)

[The Notorious MOB]

 

If Luis were planning on robbing the bank, how would he have gone about it? He was simply standing in the queue, and he hadn't even taken down any guards (Packie and Derrick did so on the way in). Also, he was as far as we know by himself. I think it'd be pretty hard to rob a bank by yourself.

 

Also, why was Eugene Reaper (the man that shot Michael Keane) carrying a gun in a bank if he was just meant to be some ordinary bloke?

Eugene Reaper is supposedly a CIA/United Liberty Agent. This is suggested by him walking by Niko at the Start of "Wrong is Right" and entering the United Liberty Building which as we know is a front for the CIA.

 

The gun club thing is just to throw Luis off so he wouldn't suspect anything.

[El Zilcho]

 

If Luis were planning on robbing the bank, how would he have gone about it? He was simply standing in the queue, and he hadn't even taken down any guards (Packie and Derrick did so on the way in). Also, he was as far as we know by himself. I think it'd be pretty hard to rob a bank by yourself.

 

Also, why was Eugene Reaper (the man that shot Michael Keane) carrying a gun in a bank if he was just meant to be some ordinary bloke?

Eugene Reaper is supposedly a CIA/United Liberty Agent. This is suggested by him walking by Niko at the Start of "Wrong is Right" and entering the United Liberty Building which as we know is a front for the CIA.

1) There is no evidence, hint or anything there of pointing to ULPC being remotely similar to the CIA. ULPC is a mysterious government agency, no one mentioned anything to do with the CIA. We don't all know anything, you're making an assumption, not stating a fact.

 

2) Eugene Reaper never bumps into Niko, the guy who walks outside of the ULPC is a blonde yuppie. What you said makes no sense, Eugene appeared in TLC and that was it, and he was simply a gun club member, not some secret agent guy. If he was, he'd have made short work of the bank robbers.

 

3) A license to carry a concealed weapon is common in the US, in order to aid the law and stop crimes in progress, as Eugene attempted to do.

[The Notorious MOB]

 

If Luis were planning on robbing the bank, how would he have gone about it? He was simply standing in the queue, and he hadn't even taken down any guards (Packie and Derrick did so on the way in). Also, he was as far as we know by himself. I think it'd be pretty hard to rob a bank by yourself.

 

Also, why was Eugene Reaper (the man that shot Michael Keane) carrying a gun in a bank if he was just meant to be some ordinary bloke?

Eugene Reaper is supposedly a CIA/United Liberty Agent. This is suggested by him walking by Niko at the Start of "Wrong is Right" and entering the United Liberty Building which as we know is a front for the CIA.

1) There is no evidence, hint or anything there of pointing to ULPC being remotely similar to the CIA. ULPC is a mysterious government agency, no one mentioned anything to do with the CIA. We don't all know anything, you're making an assumption, not stating a fact.

 

2) Eugene Reaper never bumps into Niko, the guy who walks outside of the ULPC is a blonde yuppie. What you said makes no sense, Eugene appeared in TLC and that was it, and he was simply a gun club member, not some secret agent guy. If he was, he'd have made short work of the bank robbers.

 

3) A license to carry a concealed weapon is common in the US, in order to aid the law and stop crimes in progress, as Eugene attempted to do.

I've heard it mentioned several times that ULPC is the equivelent of the CIA. Its not a fact but it's what some people believe. And it's Reaper.... he's wearing identical clothes and everything. Why would somebody bring a gun to a bank unless they were planning on firing it. That bank job was a set up... just look at how many police were there in the space of two minutes... That would never happen unless they were waiting around the corner.

[Dingdongs]

If Luis were planning on robbing the bank, how would he have gone about it? He was simply standing in the queue, and he hadn't even taken down any guards (Packie and Derrick did so on the way in). Also, he was as far as we know by himself. I think it'd be pretty hard to rob a bank by yourself.

 

Also, why was Eugene Reaper (the man that shot Michael Keane) carrying a gun in a bank if he was just meant to be some ordinary bloke?

Eugene Reaper is supposedly a CIA/United Liberty Agent. This is suggested by him walking by Niko at the Start of "Wrong is Right" and entering the United Liberty Building which as we know is a front for the CIA.

1) There is no evidence, hint or anything there of pointing to ULPC being remotely similar to the CIA. ULPC is a mysterious government agency, no one mentioned anything to do with the CIA. We don't all know anything, you're making an assumption, not stating a fact.

 

2) Eugene Reaper never bumps into Niko, the guy who walks outside of the ULPC is a blonde yuppie. What you said makes no sense, Eugene appeared in TLC and that was it, and he was simply a gun club member, not some secret agent guy. If he was, he'd have made short work of the bank robbers.

 

3) A license to carry a concealed weapon is common in the US, in order to aid the law and stop crimes in progress, as Eugene attempted to do.

I've heard it mentioned several times that ULPC is the equivelent of the CIA. Its not a fact but it's what some people believe. And it's Reaper.... he's wearing identical clothes and everything. Why would somebody bring a gun to a bank unless the were planning on firing it. That bank job was a set up... just look at how many police were there in the space of two minutes... That would never happen unless they were waiting around the corner.

The only evidence of what that agency is during the mission where you steal the Helicoptor for ULPC, and drop it at the airport- the guys that get into your helicoptor have " FIB " on their back.

[The Notorious MOB]

If Luis were planning on robbing the bank, how would he have gone about it? He was simply standing in the queue, and he hadn't even taken down any guards (Packie and Derrick did so on the way in). Also, he was as far as we know by himself. I think it'd be pretty hard to rob a bank by yourself.

 

Also, why was Eugene Reaper (the man that shot Michael Keane) carrying a gun in a bank if he was just meant to be some ordinary bloke?

Eugene Reaper is supposedly a CIA/United Liberty Agent. This is suggested by him walking by Niko at the Start of "Wrong is Right" and entering the United Liberty Building which as we know is a front for the CIA.

1) There is no evidence, hint or anything there of pointing to ULPC being remotely similar to the CIA. ULPC is a mysterious government agency, no one mentioned anything to do with the CIA. We don't all know anything, you're making an assumption, not stating a fact.

 

2) Eugene Reaper never bumps into Niko, the guy who walks outside of the ULPC is a blonde yuppie. What you said makes no sense, Eugene appeared in TLC and that was it, and he was simply a gun club member, not some secret agent guy. If he was, he'd have made short work of the bank robbers.

 

3) A license to carry a concealed weapon is common in the US, in order to aid the law and stop crimes in progress, as Eugene attempted to do.

I've heard it mentioned several times that ULPC is the equivelent of the CIA. Its not a fact but it's what some people believe. And it's Reaper.... he's wearing identical clothes and everything. Why would somebody bring a gun to a bank unless the were planning on firing it. That bank job was a set up... just look at how many police were there in the space of two minutes... That would never happen unless they were waiting around the corner.

The only evidence of what that agency is during the mission where you steal the Helicoptor for ULPC, and drop it at the airport- the guys that get into your helicoptor have " FIB " on their back.

ULP blatently states that he is not from the FIB though.

 

Niko asks: "Who are you? The FIB?"

 

And he replies: "The FIB!!?? I'm not a Homosexual... I don't care about the size of your Johnson"

[El Zilcho]

Exactly, that is as close as you get. And no, Eugene sought to fight back, he spoke, and acted like the archetypal hero, wanting to take back control and act like a cowboy. Why would it be a set up? The police would have moved in as soon as the alarms would have been tripped; if it were a set up, everyone would be ready to trip the alarm and the cops would have flooded in (or already have been there) and take the thieves red handed. And who would have known? It was all in the family, only Derrick, Gerry, Packie, Michael and Niko (perhaps trusted Irish mob members). Why would they set it up? they're brothers for f*cks sake, Derrick only ratted when he was already caught and not on his own family, he hated Frankie but that was as far as it went. No one would have known, it was simply due to the fact that the alarms must have been tripped, and the bungling thieves didn't rig the explosives to a pager, blowing them up and setting the alarms. By the time the cash was loaded into the several bags, a chopper was arriving. A 5 minute response time isn't bad, is it?

 

Why would ULPC set him up? He was still working for him, and ULPC knew he was in the robbery (calls you afterward), yet he always says "stay away from heat" because he needs Niko alive and free, so he has a worker to help him out. Why would he tip off the police when he wants Niko out of trouble? Your theory makes no sense; I'm sorry but it's true.

[The Notorious MOB]

 

Exactly, that is as close as you get. And no, Eugene sought to fight back, he spoke, and acted like the archetypal hero, wanting to take back control and act like a cowboy. Why would it be a set up? The police would have moved in as soon as the alarms would have been tripped; if it were a set up, everyone would be ready to trip the alarm and the cops would have flooded in (or already have been there) and take the thieves red handed. And who would have known? It was all in the family, only Derrick, Gerry, Packie, Michael and Niko (perhaps trusted Irish mob members). Why would they set it up? they're brothers for f*cks sake, Derrick only ratted when he was already caught and not on his own family, he hated Frankie but that was as far as it went. No one would have known, it was simply due to the fact that the alarms must have been tripped, and the bungling thieves didn't rig the explosives to a pager, blowing them up and setting the alarms. By the time the cash was loaded into the several bags, a chopper was arriving. A 5 minute response time isn't bad, is it?

 

Why would ULPC set him up? He was still working for him, and ULPC knew he was in the robbery (calls you afterward), yet he always says "stay away from heat" because he needs Niko alive and free, so he has a worker to help him out. Why would he tip off the police when he wants Niko out of trouble? Your theory makes no sense; I'm sorry but it's true.

You seem to have a lot of faith in the police. And Niko's contact appears to be a rogue agent... Although I might be as nieve as you by thinking that his organisation generally works against criminals rather than with them. Karen/Michelle even tells Niko that he's lucky that it was her who caught him otherwise he would be dead or in Jail. Which means that if one of her straighter colleagues caught him they would have did their job and eliminated him. So there is in game evidence to support what I'm saying as I've shown with two different sources now.

[El Zilcho]

No sources for the CIA, at all. And as for the set up, that was Karen. Mr X (you know, middle aged fellow?) says you're an idiot for doing the robbery as he needs you to do his work for him. Why set him up? Niko only had contact with Karen and Mr Z, the only people he met in ULPC, no rogue agent to set him up. ULPC handled Niko 100%, no one probably knew about him.

[JoeVK]

 

ULP blatently states that he is not from the FIB though.

 

Niko asks: "Who are you? The FIB?"

 

And he replies: "The FIB!!?? I'm not a Homosexual... I don't care about the size of your Johnson"

Probably the same "doesn't matter which" government agency Toreno worked for.

 

The guys that took the chopper could have simply been wearing the FIB uniforms, and not really have been actual FIB agents.

Then again, if the FBI can use local the police force to carry out their grunt work, maybe this "secret" agency commandeered some FIB agents to pick up the chopper. But, that's just speculation, and I don't want to read too much into it.

[JamesGunot]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/second-g...-named-detailed

 

DETAILS!!!!

[El Zilcho]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/second-g...-named-detailed

 

DETAILS!!!!

Ahahaha! That's the best title EVAH!

 

Nice work mate.

[Enjoii]

Sounds like it's fake to me, not all the game files are downloaded when downloading DLC, just extra/new ones;

 

will not require a copy of the original Grand Theft Auto IV to play.

[The Notorious MOB]

No sources for the CIA, at all. And as for the set up, that was Karen. Mr X (you know, middle aged fellow?) says you're an idiot for doing the robbery as he needs you to do his work for him. Why set him up? Niko only had contact with Karen and Mr Z, the only people he met in ULPC, no rogue agent to set him up. ULPC handled Niko 100%, no one probably knew about him.

What I'm saying is Mr. X is the rogue agent. Only a select few people (including Karen) are with him... The rest of the Organisation are actually doing their Job and tackling criminal activity so thats who sent Eugene into the bank and it's also their job to know about things like high profile robberies (which would've taken weeks of planning) if they are infact the Central Intelligence Agency or a similar Organisation. Maybe it wasnt a set up in the sense that one of the group was a rat but it definitely could've been a sting.

[GuruAskew]

It's real, and now all the PS3 owners who whined about re-buying a 360 AND the 360 copy of the game can now keep their PS3 GTAIV disc and buy the new episodes on a 360 disc.

 

It's kinda brilliant actually.

[El Zilcho]

No sources for the CIA, at all. And as for the set up, that was Karen. Mr X (you know, middle aged fellow?) says you're an idiot for doing the robbery as he needs you to do his work for him. Why set him up? Niko only had contact with Karen and Mr Z, the only people he met in ULPC, no rogue agent to set him up. ULPC handled Niko 100%, no one probably knew about him.

What I'm saying is Mr. X is the rogue agent. Only a select few people (including Karen) are with him... The rest of the Organisation are actually doing their Job and tackling criminal activity so thats who sent Eugene into the bank and it's also their job to know about things like high profile robberies (which would've taken weeks of planning) if they are infact the Central Intelligence Agency or a similar Organisation. Maybe it wasnt a set up in the sense that one of the group was a rat but it definitely could've been a sting.

But that makes no sense, the only person outside of the McReary's (and Niko) who knew was ULPC buy, why would he ever tell the rest of the agency when he clearly wanted Niko alive! Your theory is just too outlandish to make sense, and to be honest, the reason there were loads of cops is so that we have a cool mission to play, why would Faustin be surrounded by thirty guards with AKs in a cabaret club? These missions are like this for the gameplay, not the story.

[gamerzworld]

Sounds like it's fake to me, not all the game files are downloaded when downloading DLC, just extra/new ones;

 

will not require a copy of the original Grand Theft Auto IV to play.

It's real.

http://ir.take2games.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=385949

[Enjoii]

Ah right, I couldn't find a link on the R* website, thanks.

Interesting choice of title, a lot of people thought that it was the one involving the Three Leaf Clover.

[The Notorious MOB]

 

No sources for the CIA, at all. And as for the set up, that was Karen. Mr X (you know, middle aged fellow?) says you're an idiot for doing the robbery as he needs you to do his work for him. Why set him up? Niko only had contact with Karen and Mr Z, the only people he met in ULPC, no rogue agent to set him up. ULPC handled Niko 100%, no one probably knew about him.

What I'm saying is Mr. X is the rogue agent. Only a select few people (including Karen) are with him... The rest of the Organisation are actually doing their Job and tackling criminal activity so thats who sent Eugene into the bank and it's also their job to know about things like high profile robberies (which would've taken weeks of planning) if they are infact the Central Intelligence Agency or a similar Organisation. Maybe it wasnt a set up in the sense that one of the group was a rat but it definitely could've been a sting.

But that makes no sense, the only person outside of the McReary's (and Niko) who knew was ULPC buy, why would he ever tell the rest of the agency when he clearly wanted Niko alive! Your theory is just too outlandish to make sense, and to be honest, the reason there were loads of cops is so that we have a cool mission to play, why would Faustin be surrounded by thirty guards with AKs in a cabaret club? These missions are like this for the gameplay, not the story.

It's not that outlandish though as it is very plausible. I was just putting the pieces together and suggesting why a man that is seen entering a building which is a front for a secret organisation would be doing in a bank with a gun. You can shoot it down all you want but the is not shred of evidence to suggest that that's not what happened so If it can't be disproved... chances are it's true.

 

And lmfao at that bogus title

 

EDIT: sh*t just seen that Take Two link...

 

What a bad title!!

Edited May 26, 2009 by Money Over Bullshit

[El Zilcho]

chances are it's true

Now that's just jumping to a conclusion. I can't disapprove you, but you're theory is just ridiculous, if it was the case, it should have been mentioned already as Niko is heavily involved in ULPC, so he would have found out. But let's leave it at that.

 

Everyone seems to be up in arms about the title, but I like it. It's humorous, and if you don't like it, call it DLC 2!

[General Goose]

Sounds operatic.

 

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