The Second Episode

[The Notorious MOB]

 

I also believe that if you do play as Packie, since he is Irish, most Irish people work with Scotish

Ehh... I don't know what kind of Irish you know, but in my experience (and I'm half Irish myself) the Scots are the only people that the Irish might hate more than the English.

 

In the end though I really don't think it's going to be Packie.

The Irish people love the Scots. I don't know where the Irish usually working with Scottish idea came from though... I think somebody's seen Braveheart a few too many times cuz haha

Edited May 24, 2009 by Money Over Bullshit

[StoneyWhistle]

Well that, and a few indy Irish movies lol Well if not workin' with them, at least have Love Fist back on the soundtrack =D

 

And I'm half Scotish and Irish, and I love my people lol

[The Notorious MOB]

Well that, and a few indy Irish movies lol Well if not workin' with them, at least have Love Fist back on the soundtrack =D

 

And I'm half Scotish and Irish, and I love my people lol

Indy Irish movies? Like what?

 

The thing I don't get is how the McReary's are meant to be Irish when they were born in Liberty City... Sure they have Irish blood but so does half of New York haha. So theyre not really Irish in the being Irish sense. The voice actors are though... Well they sound it anyway.

[Lavalization]

most scottish people can trace part of their family back to ireland

i can. my grandmothers grandmother was from ireland

 

but i am Scottish

 

but i doubt [as much as i would love it to be] that packie will be the next dlc protagonist

[The Notorious MOB]

most scottish people can trace part of their family back to ireland

i can. my grandmothers grandmother was from ireland

 

but i am Scottish

 

but i doubt [as much as i would love it to be] that packie will be the next dlc protagonist

If it is an "Irish" Character that we play as it won't be Packie because we already know him too well and his story intersects too much with Niko's for it to be signifigantly different It'll likely be Gordon or that guy that Goes with Packie to do the Deal in "Luck Of The Irish"

[rota]

Im full Irish and one of my best mates a full blood scott and most other irish and scotts I know get along well.

 

BUt then I dont know you know mafioso

[Mafioso86]

I dunno...i was always told that the Scotts were the bastard protestant traitor Celts that the English sent over to enforce the law during the occupation and famine. I mean I myself have no huge issue with them... other than the fact that scotch is garbage compared to Jameson or Bushmills ... but I was always told by drunken old Irish relatives that they were Celts that bent over and took it in the rear from the English (not exactly accurate i know, but by the time of the famine i can see that it probably looked that way to the Irish) and were then sent over to enforce the laws that lead to the eventual deaths of atleast a million Irishmen. And that nowadays most of the Northern Irish are actually descended from Scotts and that once again, their whiskey is garbage. I mean it's the one sided babblings of drunken old men... but specifically drunken old Irishmen.

 

But this again may be more part of the "Irish-American" phenomenon that a lot of you don't seem to grasp. The relatives I'm speaking of were all born and raised in New York, and they heard the stories from grandparents. You see this a lot in the New York and New England areas... where people take a lot of pride in their heritage. A lot of people don't say, "I'm American" they say "I'm Irish... Italian... Greek... Polish... etc." It probably has to do with the constant influx of immigrants to those areas and strong ethnic communities that are established. Combine that with the fact the majority of Irish-Americans are descended from refuges of a traumatic event (the famine).... and I think there is a great deal of pride for them in being Irish. The thing is though that if you went to the south or the midwest people are much more likely to just view themselves as American... other cultures have no where near as much of an influence in those areas so people there tend to just assimilate into the more mainstream American culture.

[JOSEPH X]

I think we`ve lost the thread here somehow, caused by the fact that there`s absolutely no official info on DLC2. Is there anything else we can say or speculate about the second episode? I doubt it, I think everything`s been covered more than once on these pages, except that Blood and a Four Leaf Clover sounds like Love in an Elevator by Aerosmth.

 

Blood and a four leaf clover,

Livin` it up while I`m goin` doooown!

 

 

[Versityle]

"Blood and a Four Leaf Clover" sounds like the potential mission title of Luis' POV of "Three Leaf Clover" (assuming it is Luis of course)

 

Sure in IV when Michael gets shot they become three people hence the original title "Three Leaf Clover". Also, I'm sure most of you know that a clover is an Irish plant and of course this is an Irish bank job, even with Niko among the group.

 

However, through Luis' POV he's basically sees four people walk in and threaten the civilians and the fact that one dies I guess doesn't mean too much to him as it did with Packie, Derrick and Niko. So again, what he saw was a four man, Irish bank heist: "Four Leaf Clover" and the "Blood" would pertain to the unecesarry bloodshed of Michael for when a charater trying to bond with Luis on the floor of the bank attempts to take them down.

 

So from wherever this ridiculous title came from "BAAFLC" it's possible it's the name of the mission but certainly not the entire game.

[Astrixone]

If i could have TLAD in my computer.

If you see luis shooting at the roof in credits than it means that TLAD has speciel clues for the next DLC.

[The Notorious MOB]

 

"Blood and a Four Leaf Clover" sounds like the potential mission title of Luis' POV of "Three Leaf Clover" (assuming it is Luis of course)

 

Sure in IV when Michael gets shot they become three people hence the original title "Three Leaf Clover". Also, I'm sure most of you know that a clover is an Irish plant and of course this is an Irish bank job, even with Niko among the group.

 

However, through Luis' POV he's basically sees four people walk in and threaten the civilians and the fact that one dies I guess doesn't mean too much to him as it did with Packie, Derrick and Niko. So again, what he saw was a four man, Irish bank heist: "Four Leaf Clover" and the "Blood" would pertain to the unecesarry bloodshed of Michael for when a charater trying to bond with Luis on the floor of the bank attempts to take them down.

 

So from wherever this ridiculous title came from "BAAFLC" it's possible it's the name of the mission but certainly not the entire game.

That sounds very plausible and makes a hell of alot more sense than the whole game being called Blood and a Four Leaf Clover.

 

Also I havent seen this mentioned so... has anybody noticed that Three Leaf Clover is a rip off of the bank job in the movie "Heat" starring Robert DeNero and Al Pacino?

 

Here's a

 

Notice the black and white suits, the balaclavas, DeNero giving the bank's money speach as does Derrick McReary and also jumping up on the desk the way niko does. Also both groups carry Machine guns and Tell everbody to "get down on the ground" in typical bank robbery fashion. Both robberies also result in an epic shootout with police.

Edited May 25, 2009 by Money Over Bullshit

[El Zilcho]

Yeah, I've noticed the Heat reference from the moment they stepped out onto the streets. Pure excellence.

 

And BAAFLC sounds more plausible as a mission name, definitely, while as the game title? Far too much of a mouth full to be the name (I hope it is!) because it sucks. And imagine having to actually say it?

 

"Anyone want to go Blood and a Four Leaf Clover?"

 

No thanks.

[FullMetal]

Also I havent seen this mentioned so... has anybody noticed that Three Leaf Clover is a rip off of the bank job in the movie "Heat" starring Robert DeNero and Al Pacino?

You are the first one to notice. No one has seen the remarkable similarities between the two...

 

Time for a 'Captain Obvious Medal Award Prize'???

[Magic_Al]

I tried to make a poll wondering if a major change in New York City, permanently closing Broadway, should be copied in Liberty City in DLC 2. Apparently polls about DLC 2 are not allowed, so discuss randomly, I guess.

 

Should Burlesque be closed?

 

 

 

 

[The Notorious MOB]

Also I havent seen this mentioned so... has anybody noticed that Three Leaf Clover is a rip off of the bank job in the movie "Heat" starring Robert DeNero and Al Pacino?

You are the first one to notice. No one has seen the remarkable similarities between the two...

 

Time for a 'Captain Obvious Medal Award Prize'???

Thanks smart ass... Links to these topics would be a lot more useful than stupid comments like that.

[JOSEPH X]

The first review I read called "TLC" an "Ode to Heat"

 

 

 

Wouldn`t mind seeing an ode to collateral at one of GTs clubs (also M. Mann)

 

Edited May 25, 2009 by II J0SePh X II

[Derelict Frog]

I tried to make a poll wondering if a major change in New York City, permanently closing Broadway, should be copied in Liberty City in DLC 2. Apparently polls about DLC 2 are not allowed, so discuss randomly, I guess.

 

Should Burlesque be closed?

 

They cannot make any major changes to the map: afterall, it is meant to go on at the same time as Niko and Johnny's story.

[El Zilcho]

An Ode to Collateral would be badass, imagine driving around with a hostage, swerving through scripted traffic chases to kill 6 witnesses under a deadline, with plenty of action in between.

[SovietWarrior42]

I actually thought about them referencing Collateral. I remember Kane and Lynch took the Club Scene out of it, which was pretty cool.

[Magic_Al]

They cannot make any major changes to the map: afterall, it is meant to go on at the same time as Niko and Johnny's story.

You're probably right, but maybe it could be worked into the storyline as an experiment that ends in a disastrous mowing down of pedestrians. Then it would only be closed for part of the story script. They didn't worry about bridge-closing continuity in TLAD, so as long as everything is open by the end of the story it's no problem.

[General Goose]

They cannot make any major changes to the map: afterall, it is meant to go on at the same time as Niko and Johnny's story.

You're probably right, but maybe it could be worked into the storyline as an experiment that ends in a disastrous mowing down of pedestrians. Then it would only be closed for part of the story script. They didn't worry about bridge-closing continuity in TLAD, so as long as everything is open by the end of the story it's no problem.

That was probably because Johnny's story starts at a later point (I think) and Johnny was an American citizen, thus the police would let him through.

[StoneyWhistle]

Actually, at the beginning of TLAD, we saw Niko in Alderney, and he wasn't even there yet, he would have to be at the end his missions, or at the beginning/middle of the Bohan missions.

[liquidus119]

Actually, at the beginning of TLAD, we saw Niko in Alderney, and he wasn't even there yet, he would have to be at the end his missions, or at the beginning/middle of the Bohan missions.

It was an easter egg, you're not supposed to think about it too much. Closing an entire section of the city would just be unnecessary and out of continuity in an annoying way.

[StoneyWhistle]

I know it was an easter egg and all, and it was fairly funny to see, Specially when your up at like 3:30 in the morning wanting to play it, cause it just got finished downloading lol But I'm just saying..if you want to go realistic with time and stuff, then Niko shouldn't be there.

 

And I believe honestly that if it is Packie, it should be past, then break to like 2 weeks into the future, like breaking Gerald out you know, that's just me though.

[floppay]

A friend sent me this twitter page, it says the new DLC is called Blessed and Armed. Check it out.

 

Click Here

[ChrisAndy]

A friend sent me this twitter page, it says the new DLC is called Blessed and Armed. Check it out.

 

Click Here

Hm. I am trying to think of religious characters... I still think Luis is a good bet but who knows at this point. I wonder if that guy is even right, so much of this stuff is contradictory-like Blood & And a Four Leaf Clover (which seems to back up the BAAFLC rumor). Regardless I hope we find out 'soon'.

[Astrixone]

I hope that if we will find more little things about the new dlc R* will break down and just post it already

Edited May 26, 2009 by Astrixone

[PaddMadd]

The first review I read called "TLC" an "Ode to Heat"

 

 

To be honest, when I think of the movie Heat, I think of Kane and Lynch, not GTAIV.

 

Does anyone think that Vigilante missions will be brought back? I can understand removing them from TLAD, but Luis doesn't seem the type to be a non-conformist sticking it to the man.

Also, with the attitude of Luis in Three Leaf Clover compared to the museum heist(forgot the mission name), could it be possible that he knows the McReary's? He doesn't seem like the type to just sit through the robbery like a pushover, and Packie also has a reason for robbing the bank that isn't revealed.

 

Wild conspiracies, but with our lack of real info, it's at least keeping the thread going.

[The Notorious MOB]

 

The first review I read called "TLC" an "Ode to Heat"

 

 

To be honest, when I think of the movie Heat, I think of Kane and Lynch, not GTAIV.

 

Does anyone think that Vigilante missions will be brought back? I can understand removing them from TLAD, but Luis doesn't seem the type to be a non-conformist sticking it to the man.

Also, with the attitude of Luis in Three Leaf Clover compared to the museum heist(forgot the mission name), could it be possible that he knows the McReary's? He doesn't seem like the type to just sit through the robbery like a pushover, and Packie also has a reason for robbing the bank that isn't revealed.

 

Wild conspiracies, but with our lack of real info, it's at least keeping the thread going.

I think the difference in attitude can be explained away by the fact that he was angry that The Lost were able to steal the diamonds out from under his nose after he (presumably) worked so hard to get the money for them. And even considering that, he's pretty reasonable like he tells them not to try anything stupid and one of the guys tries to pull a gun on him so he shoots him... Seems pretty fair to me.

 

And as far as Packie goes... He did it for the money... Plain and simple.

[Versityle]

Let's give Luis some credit shall we. Just because he's a criminal doesn't mean he was there to ROB the bank. He could have just been making a withdrawal and the heist happened. It could be that because he needed the money badly then he decided to rob some since the vault was open and obviously the employees can't help.

 

But you guys could be equally right, maybe he was there to rob the bank originally it's just that he seemed shooken up when the four barged in is all.