The Second Episode

[Mafioso86]

It may be about Luis but the subtitle is Blood and a for leaf clover so it may be about the Pakies family

where is the proof of this? This has been floating around the web, but there is no reliable source that I can find. I mean it is possible... but it just seems odd.

I think it sounds good as a title but don't forget Luis was at the bank as well. If he did snatch some cash too as most people think will happen, then he'd be the 4th person to escape from the bank with money in the robbery. So the original mission was 3 leaf clover as the three of you escape from the bank in vanilla, and with Luis as the 4th then there's your 4 leaf clover reference. Nothing to do with Packie other than he was part of the robbery...

I was going to say that but you beat me too it and the blood part is about him being loyal to his Dominican Brothers. As in the patriotic sense of the word blood rather that actual blood that comes from your body when wounded.

 

It could also be a reference to the Diamonds as they are said to be Conflict Diamonds aka Blood Diamonds.

 

So it is a probable title.. but not a very good one.

Yeah that did occur to me, the thing about Luis' role in Three Leaf Clover... but it seems odd that that would be referenced in the title... unless there is somehow more to it... I was thinking (and this is just wild speculation), could it be more than a coincidence that Luis was at that branch of the bank of Liberty at that time, on that day? I mean assuming he is the protag of DLC2, I'm sure R* wanted to show him off a bit... but why in such a randomly insignificant seeming role? In TLAD he shows up in two missions he plays a big role in (the museum and where you snatch the diamonds from Gay Tony) and in the other mission he shows up in in IV he's important, the security of sorts for the trade off for Gracie Ancelotti. What if someone had told Luis that there was going to be a robbery at that branch that day... a situation where he could use the chaos of the aftermath to get a payoff of his own? Who might do that? Well, Luis is associated with some Dominican drug dealers, and one of the few people in on the robbery is a drug addict and known snitch... Derrick McReary. Maybe Derrick could play an important role in DLC2 as an associate of Luis? Ofcourse DLC2 would have to end before Blood Brothers for this to work. Like I said this is wild speculation and I doubt it's true, but just some thoughts.

 

One other thing is that the supposed logo for "GTAIV: Blood and a Four Leaf Clover (it's somewhere in the last few pages of this thread) that showed up on a German website has what I think is the "right look." The script of where it says "Blood and a For Leaf Clover" looks hip-hop influenced which would fit with Luis being the Dominican hustler from uptown... just at the messy and bloody looking "The Lost and Damned," fit with Johnny being an outlaw biker.

[Dillinger8]

The poor logo shop doesn't convince me. It looks like something I would make if I were 10 and had just discovered MS paint. But besides that, I agree that the speculated title could have something to do with the Three Leaf Clover mission. We'll find out in due time though.

[Mafioso86]

The poor logo shop doesn't convince me. It looks like something I would make if I were 10 and had just discovered MS paint. But besides that, I agree that the speculated title could have something to do with the Three Leaf Clover mission. We'll find out in due time though.

heh... well, note that i said "supposed" lol

[The Notorious MOB]

I doubt that very much M.O.B. By Jan3, all of his speaking parts and character animations would have been in the can. Also, his contract would have been signed and his agent and manager would know everything about it.

 

The question I put to him was pretty unambiguous.

I was just giving a third party account on how your question could have been perceived. The only person that can confirm it is Mario D'Leon himself.

 

@ Mafioso86: I think that idea is a definite long shot as if Derrick played a role like that in the story they would kind of be obliged to confirm his faith since it's not likely that DLC 2 will end before blood brothers as Luis appears in "Diamonds are a girl's best friend" which only opens up as part of Gerry's second missions which become available after you kill one of the McRearys.

 

Most people around the various websites seem to believe that the name suggests it's actually gonna be one of the McRearys that we play as. More specifically Packie as Gerry is in Jail for Most of the story and the other two can be killed in Niko's story. I think this would be quite boring though and we also know almost everything about Packie from GTA IV.

 

I think it's likely that the name in full (if Blood and a Four Leaf Clover is indeed the title) will mean Luis being the Fourth Leaf (Fourth Person to leave alive with money) from the Three Leaf Clover mission and also a Reference to the Luckiness and/or (in an ironic way) unluckiness of Luis during the course of the story. And The Blood part will be a reference to the Diamonds and also Luis's shared heritage and bond that he has with the NDDD and possibly the amount of fighting and bloodshed that will be involved in Luis reaching the end of his portion of the story (With great wealth perhaps?).

[Versityle]

It may be about Luis but the subtitle is Blood and a for leaf clover so it may be about the Pakies family

where is the proof of this? This has been floating around the web, but there is no reliable source that I can find. I mean it is possible... but it just seems odd.

I think it sounds good as a title but don't forget Luis was at the bank as well. If he did snatch some cash too as most people think will happen, then he'd be the 4th person to escape from the bank with money in the robbery. So the original mission was 3 leaf clover as the three of you escape from the bank in vanilla, and with Luis as the 4th then there's your 4 leaf clover reference. Nothing to do with Packie other than he was part of the robbery...

I was going to say that but you beat me too it and the blood part is about him being loyal to his Dominican Brothers. As in the patriotic sense of the word blood rather that actual blood that comes from your body when wounded.

 

It could also be a reference to the Diamonds as they are said to be Conflict Diamonds aka Blood Diamonds.

 

So it is a probable title.. but not a very good one.

Yeah that did occur to me, the thing about Luis' role in Three Leaf Clover... but it seems odd that that would be referenced in the title... unless there is somehow more to it... I was thinking (and this is just wild speculation), could it be more than a coincidence that Luis was at that branch of the bank of Liberty at that time, on that day? I mean assuming he is the protag of DLC2, I'm sure R* wanted to show him off a bit... but why in such a randomly insignificant seeming role? In TLAD he shows up in two missions he plays a big role in (the museum and where you snatch the diamonds from Gay Tony) and in the other mission he shows up in in IV he's important, the security of sorts for the trade off for Gracie Ancelotti. What if someone had told Luis that there was going to be a robbery at that branch that day... a situation where he could use the chaos of the aftermath to get a payoff of his own? Who might do that? Well, Luis is associated with some Dominican drug dealers, and one of the few people in on the robbery is a drug addict and known snitch... Derrick McReary. Maybe Derrick could play an important role in DLC2 as an associate of Luis? Ofcourse DLC2 would have to end before Blood Brothers for this to work. Like I said this is wild speculation and I doubt it's true, but just some thoughts.

 

One other thing is that the supposed logo for "GTAIV: Blood and a Four Leaf Clover (it's somewhere in the last few pages of this thread) that showed up on a German website has what I think is the "right look." The script of where it says "Blood and a For Leaf Clover" looks hip-hop influenced which would fit with Luis being the Dominican hustler from uptown... just at the messy and bloody looking "The Lost and Damned," fit with Johnny being an outlaw biker.

Everyone seems to think that the title of the second DLC, if it is infact Luis, will pertain to his precence and role in the Diamonds and the Bank Robbery. This is likely NOT the case.

 

The second DLC is probably not going to be about the Diamonds, just like TLAD wasn't about the Heroin or Diamonds. It was about Johnny and his biker gang going to shi*t and how after he became chapter president he had to odd jobs to keep the chapter as steady as possible. The first and last mission have nothing to do with Niko or the events that have happend in IV

 

Same thing will likely apply with Luis. He'll have his own personal story that is original and will occassionly intertwine with Niko and Johnny. Luis will have friends to hang out with and a job to do for Gay Tony, the Ancelotti's and his own Dominican gang. I don't think the plot will revolve around the diamonds or the bank robbery; it'll revolve around Luis and his personal life.

 

I realize I said all that like it's fact... I know it's not, it's just likely how it's going to play and I think it's a safe assumption, so the title of the game will most likely pertain to his gang or what he/they stand for more than anything else.

[dabaannz]

Ok... first off, that logo that's floating around is an obvious fake so no need to even bring it up anymore. I've seen weak graphic design before but there's no way a multi~million dollar company is releasing crap like that.

 

Secondly, I'm sceptical that BAAFLC is the next title... way too long, and if they were stupid enough to name an entire chapter after a couple of missions, they'd call it "diamonds and a bank job".

I'd be more inclinded to agree with the guy a few pages back that mentioned that it could be a typo and based on BAA-DLC. Not sure what BAA would stand for, but a three word title makes way more sense to me.

Also, having the word "blood" in the title is too corny, I mean, look at the lost and damned logo... that says blood and voilence to me without actually including the words "blood and voilence", so I think the title will have more to do with the story that revolves around Luis, whatever that may be.

[xf451gow]

I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed this, the search turned up nothing but on the GTA IV box artwork; Niko is on it, so is Johnny and a man holding a sniper, with a suspiciously similar haircut to Luis.

 

What do you guys think?

[jesus incognito]

 

Everyone seems to think that the title of the second DLC, if it is infact Luis, will pertain to his precence and role in the Diamonds and the Bank Robbery. This is likely NOT the case.

 

The second DLC is probably not going to be about the Diamonds, just like TLAD wasn't about the Heroin or Diamonds. It was about Johnny and his biker gang going to shi*t and how after he became chapter president he had to odd jobs to keep the chapter as steady as possible. The first and last mission have nothing to do with Niko or the events that have happend in IV

 

Same thing will likely apply with Luis. He'll have his own personal story that is original and will occassionly intertwine with Niko and Johnny. Luis will have friends to hang out with and a job to do for Gay Tony, the Ancelotti's and his own Dominican gang. I don't think the plot will revolve around the diamonds or the bank robbery; it'll revolve around Luis and his personal life.

 

I realize I said all that like it's fact... I know it's not, it's just likely how it's going to play and I think it's a safe assumption, so the title of the game will most likely pertain to his gang or what he/they stand for more than anything else.

Are you actually suggesting that Johnny and the Lost's downfall wasn't indissolubly connected to the heroin or the diamonds? Because the heroin deal led to Billy getting popped and rolling over on Johnny, which gave Brian the opportunity to turn most of the gang against Johnny's faction. Furthermore, Johnny keeping the money from the failed diamond deal caused Jim to be murdered by the mob in retaliation. The whole point of TLAD was to fill in the gaps of vanilla's story. Yeah, Johnny had his own crap to deal with, but everything comes back to the diamonds. They are the key factor that bridge the whole IV series together.

Edited May 22, 2009 by jesus incognito

[BikerAndy]

Exactly. Vanilla IV was as much about the diamonds and heroin as TLAD was so that argument makes no sense! Of course DLC 2 will have its own plot and only dip into the other two when it needs to. I don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise.

 

@xf451gow - I don't see Jonny on the box artwork, unless its him with the rifle (if you look the sniper has a mustache) but then that only leaves Jacob, um Vlad(?) or lola del rio as the next protagonist according to your theory. So unless you want to be turning tricks as a virtual whore I don't think you're on to anything! It would be funny if they'd had all the leading characters on the original box artwork all this time though. doh!

 

And @ Money Over BS - yeah I've noticed that most other places are making the mcreary connection but you're right, we already know all about Packie so that wouldn't be as good as Luis. Nah, it's got to be Luis. I think they're just making the obvious connection and not thinking it through.

[Astrixone]

Wow!!! i think i know now who is gonna be the next main character.

Did anyone notice some lawer in TLAD Mission 3? No i guess

How about this: He is a spy and he the one that responsible for some unknown accidents and more.

How about that this guy responsible for Jim kidnapp? How about he is Luis boss and luis is his worker

And then he is responsible for Luis standing in the bank in Three leaf clover? How about for stopping the Diamond trade?

How about for telling bulgarin Where niko is while they trade gracie? Why luis was in this area anyway? Maybe to tell him where niko is and then The lawer could tell bulgarin where niko is for money.

 

How about that?

[liquidus119]

Wow!!! i think i know now who is gonna be the next main character.

Did anyone notice some lawer in TLAD Mission 3? No i guess

How about this: He is a spy and he the one that responsible for some unknown accidents and more.

How about that this guy responsible for Jim kidnapp? How about he is Luis boss and luis is his worker

And then he is responsible for Luis standing in the bank in Three leaf clover? How about for stopping the Diamond trade?

How about for telling bulgarin Where niko is while they trade gracie? Why luis was in this area anyway? Maybe to tell him where niko is and then The lawer could tell bulgarin where niko is for money.

 

How about that?

What would be the point of making that Lawyer anything but a two bit character? No way will any of that happen.

[floppay]

I was thinking that "Blood and a Four Leaf Clover" could be related to the "Three Leaf Clover" mission in the sense that, in the mission the four guys (Niko, Derrick, Packie, and Michael) are robbing the bank. Michael is killed and then it is only Niko, Derrick, and Packie left, thus symbolizing the three "leaves on the clover" that robbed the bank. The assumed title of the next DLC may represent that there were actually four "leaves on the clover" meaning that after Niko and the brothers left, Luis took the rest of the money and bolted.

 

The only thing that sounds kind of dumb, is why would they name the DLC something that only has to do with one mission. Unless that mission is a pivotal point in the game for the Ancellotis.

[MC.]

 

I was thinking that "Blood and a Four Leaf Clover" could be related to the "Three Leaf Clover" mission in the sense that, in the mission the four guys (Niko, Derrick, Packie, and Michael) are robbing the bank. Michael is killed and then it is only Niko, Derrick, and Packie left, thus symbolizing the three "leaves on the clover" that robbed the bank. The assumed title of the next DLC may represent that there were actually four "leaves on the clover" meaning that after Niko and the brothers left, Luis took the rest of the money and bolted.

 

The only thing that sounds kind of dumb, is why would they name the DLC something that only has to do with one mission. Unless that mission is a pivotal point in the game for the Ancellotis.

Yeah definitely.

 

 

Wow!!! i think i know now who is gonna be the next main character. Did anyone notice some lawer in TLAD Mission 3? No i guess How about this: He is a spy and he the one that responsible for some unknown accidents and more. How about that this guy responsible for Jim kidnapp? How about he is Luis boss and luis is his worker And then he is responsible for Luis standing in the bank in Three leaf clover? How about for stopping the Diamond trade? How about for telling bulgarin Where niko is while they trade gracie? Why luis was in this area anyway? Maybe to tell him where niko is and then The lawer could tell bulgarin where niko is for money.  How about that? biggrin.gif

 

Nah. It sounds terrible.

[The Notorious MOB]

I was thinking that "Blood and a Four Leaf Clover" could be related to the "Three Leaf Clover" mission in the sense that, in the mission the four guys (Niko, Derrick, Packie, and Michael) are robbing the bank. Michael is killed and then it is only Niko, Derrick, and Packie left, thus symbolizing the three "leaves on the clover" that robbed the bank. The assumed title of the next DLC may represent that there were actually four "leaves on the clover" meaning that after Niko and the brothers left, Luis took the rest of the money and bolted.

 

The only thing that sounds kind of dumb, is why would they name the DLC something that only has to do with one mission. Unless that mission is a pivotal point in the game for the Ancellotis.

Your about a week too late on that one man

[Astrixone]

 

Wow!!! i think i know now who is gonna be the next main character.

Did anyone notice some lawer in TLAD Mission 3? No i guess

How about this: He is a spy and he the one that responsible for some unknown accidents and more.

How about that this guy responsible for Jim kidnapp? How about he is Luis boss and luis is his worker

And then he is responsible for Luis standing in the bank in Three leaf clover? How about for stopping the Diamond trade?

How about for telling bulgarin Where niko is while they trade gracie? Why luis was in this area anyway? Maybe to tell him where niko is and then The lawer could tell bulgarin where niko is for money.

 

How about that?

What would be the point of making that Lawyer anything but a two bit character? No way will any of that happen.

No, i mean, it was a fault.

Its an idea for luis story, i just thaught he can be his boss and than i made a story, thats all.

I didnt mean to make him the main character...

[Mafioso86]

Everyone seems to think that the title of the second DLC, if it is infact Luis, will pertain to his precence and role in the Diamonds and the Bank Robbery. This is likely NOT the case.

 

The second DLC is probably not going to be about the Diamonds, just like TLAD wasn't about the Heroin or Diamonds. It was about Johnny and his biker gang going to shi*t and how after he became chapter president he had to odd jobs to keep the chapter as steady as possible. The first and last mission have nothing to do with Niko or the events that have happend in IV

 

Same thing will likely apply with Luis. He'll have his own personal story that is original and will occassionly intertwine with Niko and Johnny. Luis will have friends to hang out with and a job to do for Gay Tony, the Ancelotti's and his own Dominican gang. I don't think the plot will revolve around the diamonds or the bank robbery; it'll revolve around Luis and his personal life.

 

I realize I said all that like it's fact... I know it's not, it's just likely how it's going to play and I think it's a safe assumption, so the title of the game will most likely pertain to his gang or what he/they stand for more than anything else.

Are you actually suggesting that Johnny and the Lost's downfall wasn't indissolubly connected to the heroin or the diamonds? Because the heroin deal led to Billy getting popped and rolling over on Johnny, which gave Brian the opportunity to turn most of the gang against Johnny's faction. Furthermore, Johnny keeping the money from the failed diamond deal caused Jim to be murdered by the mob in retaliation. The whole point of TLAD was to fill in the gaps of vanilla's story. Yeah, Johnny had his own crap to deal with, but everything comes back to the diamonds. They are the key factor that bridge the whole IV series together.

Ehh... I actually agree with him (Versityle) on that... sure they were important, but it wasn't like the focus of the whole story. The diamonds and heroin were important plot devices, but they weren't the plot itself... the true core of TLAD were the themes of brotherhood, betrayal, and decay.

 

What I think he's getting at, and what I mean to point out is that a lot of people have assumed the story will be all about the diamonds, the Ancelottis, and Gay Tony... but it most likely won't be focused heavily on that. Just as in TLAD... when we first saw Johnny in IV we meet him as an associate of Elizabeta and Ray, and Elizabeta and Ray both had good sized parts in TLAD, but the real story of TLAD was focused more on the Lost themselves. I expect that DLC2 will follow a similar pattern where you will have missions involving Gay Tony and the Ancelottis... but there will be more of a focus on the Dominicans in Northwood and Luis' personal life... this is of course all assuming that Luis is the protag.

[dabaannz]

It bothers me that people are still trying to justify "Blood and a four leaf clover" as a possible title for the next DLC. Ya, I've heard all the reasons why it might make sense, but they're all weak.

 

Think about that title for a second... beside the fact that it's the stupidest thing you've ever heard, ask yourself if a company like R* is gonna name the entire next chapter based on the fact that Luis is in the bank in that one mission? Come on, you're smarter then that. There's a random post says that "Blood and a Four Leaf Clover" is what BAAFLC stands for, and people go crazy trying to justify that name.

 

There's not even concrete proof that "BAAFLC" is a leak, but if it is, I think we should be lookin at what BAA stands for (as FLC is probably typo for DLC, and R* usually go for 3 word titles), so what do you think BAA stands for?.... (and I've already heard "blood and aces" which I think is just as lame as "blood and a four leaf clover", so lets look at some other options)

[Omnia sunt Communia]

There's not even concrete proof that "BAAFLC" is a leak, but if it is, I think we should be lookin at what BAA stands for (as FLC is probably typo for DLC, and R* usually go for 3 word titles), so what do you think BAA stands for?.... (and I've already heard "blood and aces" which I think is just as lame as "blood and a four leaf clover", so lets look at some other options)

Grand Theft Auto IV Breach and Assault?

[The Notorious MOB]

Grand Theft Auto IV: Bitches And Ancelottis

[Mafioso86]

this makes me think of a month or so ago when someone on here was referring to it as GTA:RAD, and then he like refused to say why and people thought it was the actual title and the guy was an insider that slipped up and what not. The guy eventually was like, "Oh well, it's Romans and Diamonds, I just call it that because I think it would be a good title." Ofcourse... Romans and Diamonds makes about as much sense as Bobs and Heroin

[Duxfever]

this makes me think of a month or so ago when someone on here was referring to it as GTA:RAD, and then he like refused to say why and people thought it was the actual title and the guy was an insider that slipped up and what not. The guy eventually was like, "Oh well, it's Romans and Diamonds, I just call it that because I think it would be a good title." Ofcourse... Romans and Diamonds makes about as much sense as Bobs and Heroin

Say hello to the guy that said that.

 

And I didn't say that I thought it would be a good title, I said that it was an alternative to rather referring DLC #2 to "DLC2" or "EP2" etc.

[Vecceti]

this makes me think of a month or so ago when someone on here was referring to it as GTA:RAD, and then he like refused to say why and people thought it was the actual title and the guy was an insider that slipped up and what not. The guy eventually was like, "Oh well, it's Romans and Diamonds, I just call it that because I think it would be a good title." Ofcourse... Romans and Diamonds makes about as much sense as Bobs and Heroin

I don't think that would be a bad name, and I'm pretty sure that the word "Roman" Is meant for the roman people, not Roman Bellic

[iPetrovic]

Well, the name "GTA IV:BAAFLC" would be reliable, assuming Game Fork was reliable.

 

Now, if you realized, he knew that a new Kojima productions game would be headed to the Xbox 360. And we know recently Kojima prodections' website showed a countdown, in a series of countdowns that would end on the day of Microsoft's conference.

 

Coincidence? I don't think so.

 

BAAFLC might actually be the title....

[floppay]

GameFork also predicted the pre e3 Mass Effect 2 trailer before it's release. He predicted the APB appearance at E3 one day before it was announced that it would be appearing.

[Astrixone]

"GTA IV:The Man Who Stood EveryWhere" (Because you saw him everywhere in missions)(stupid idea XD)

 

By the way, i found the window that luis is shooting at mory.

I spawned there a car, right in the window from the outside and when he shot mory when the cutscene showed the trader eye vision the car was in the window. A proof that i know where Luis shot mory from.

I wish that in this mission when Johnny is waiting me i will go quickly to the window and i will find luis there XD

I tried this in GTA IV, maybe someone will try it in TLAD and maybe he will find some proofs.

[MC.]

"GTA IV:The Man Who Stood EveryWhere" (Because you saw him everywhere in missions)(stupid idea XD)

 

By the way, i found the window that luis is shooting at mory.

I spawned there a car, right in the window from the outside and when he shot mory when the cutscene showed the trader eye vision the car was in the window. A proof that i know where Luis shot mory from.

I wish that in this mission when Johnny is waiting me i will go quickly to the window and i will find luis there XD

I tried this in GTA IV, maybe someone will try it in TLAD and maybe he will find some proofs.

wat

 

Nice find, I guess. Even though it's been mentioned over 9000 times already.

[Pr0xy_fl00d3r]

I still cant believe people are taking this twitter crap seriously, The one R* made, I can believe somewhat, but that "leak" of E3 where the 2nd DLC is mentioned, well, what can I say, its probabally just a bunch of morons making rumours. Untill this is mentioned by Sam or Dan Houser, or a senior R* employee, info on the official website then I will believe so, untill then, lets keep the speculation rolling in and not get side tracked by this.

[visionist]

Who thinks some of the new cars in DLC 2 will be the cars seen in CTW?

 

Graphically updated versions of the Formula R, Resolution X, Mk GT9, 500 XLR8, Style SR, CityScape etc?

 

[JOSEPH X]

Who thinks some of the new cars in DLC 2 will be the cars seen in CTW?

 

Graphically updated versions of the Formula R, Resolution X, Mk GT9, 500 XLR8, Style SR, CityScape etc?

I was thinking the same thing while playing CTW, because there`s vehics from IV & TLAD in CTW. They even handle similar, so why not the other way round?

[Ravenwood]

 

Who thinks some of the new cars in DLC 2 will be the cars seen in CTW?

 

Graphically updated versions of the Formula R, Resolution X, Mk GT9, 500 XLR8, Style SR, CityScape etc?

That would be great.

 

Btw. I want that Bristol in the next Episode.