jonbrown Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 (edited) Win xp sp3 Corsair hx620w 2 gigs system ram 2x 8800gts 320 sli running 181.22 drivers AMD Opteron 185 Dual Core @2.86ghz Patch 2 improved my GTA 4 performance a lot, that is, when the game doesn't crash. Now I'm experiencing lockups or crashes to desktop, usually upon loading and sometimes during gameplay/cutscenes. But I can usually play for long stretches without issues. GTA 4 never crashed before update 2 (I have the steam version). Given my system specs, anyone have the same experience? I believe my computer is rock stable and I have no issues whatsoever with other games. I play at [email protected], settings on medium except textures and shadows on low, view distance 15, detail distance 30, shadow density 2, definition on, vsync forced off from contrl panel. In-game benchmark around 28 fps. Anyone have similiar experiences with update 2....if so, any solutions? Right now, I'm trying vsync off forced from control panel, thinking that might help? Edited February 7, 2009 by jonbrown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket75 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 It's wierd, sometimes I can play for 2 hours, sometimes 2 minutes. My problem is that I hear a ping come through the speakers, as the forewarning that it's going to crash. When I hear the ping, I have anywhere from 2 to maybe 20 seconds before it crashes. It may "ping (kinda like a high pitch gong that goes away)" one time, or a few times. Anyone heard of this? P4 2.4Quad, 2GB 1066 DDR2 ram, Nvidia 7800GTS 640mb, Abit ICPro35, SB Audigy2ZS, OS:XP Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbrown Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Well I don't hear a ping, the game just freezes. There are many varibles as to how a game crashes on one system or another...but our problem might be related nonetheless. My crashes started happening after update 2..yours? BTW, what is a P4 2.4 quad...is that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emcax24 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 lol 2 video cards, and a dual core @ 2.8ghz and getting 28fps lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbrown Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 why LOL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd080 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Yep same here ever since i updated to the latest patch i get random crashes, this same issue was being discussed here , i have sent a ticket to R* hopefully they would answer me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitch9 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Same here, I'm lucky to get 2 missions out of the way before a CTD. My 4GB memory shows around 95% full when it happens. If the mission is a long one such as the Museum Piece mission then I'm lucky if I get to the end of it. Its a shame cos I own the PS3 verion but can't play that anymore as the PC version looks so much better its unreal. I wish they would fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturs_Z Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 lol 2 video cards, and a dual core @ 2.8ghz and getting 28fps lol. real lol, i have Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.0, 3Gb RAM, XFX 8800GT XXX version VGA, and i have in benchmark 51 FPS Graphics SettingsVideo Mode: 1280 x 960 (75 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: Very High Reflection Resolution: Very High Water Quality: Very High Shadow Quality: High View Distance: 40 Detail Distance: 50 Definition: Off VSync: On Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwwIX Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Add me to the list. Before this patch, i did not experience any crashes whatsoever. I Am now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbrown Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Possible something to do with the new patch options/graphics settings. I've just played for a couple of hours with no problems. I forced vsync off in the nvidia control panel. I'm running Win xp and nvidia. With Vista or ATI it might be different but try messing with the new options that were presented with the last patch. @Arturs_z: That's a great system. But I'm limited with an AMD Dual Core on a socket 939 motherboard of an almost 4 year old design. I'm happy to get what I get. Also, I think 28 fps on GTA game isn't so bad. At least there's no stuttering like I get with Saints Row 2...talk about a lousy port. But the new Saints Row patch improves things a bit...just a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blades Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Add me to the list too. I just get random freezes. If it's during a cutscene the video stops but the audio keeps going then I have to ctrl-alt-del to terminate the game. Sometimes it runs for a couple of hours, sometimes I can't even get out of the safehouse before it freezes. This patch has improved my FPS massively, but now I get the random crashes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 run game in -safemode - if you stop getting crashes, it is a setting - worth looking into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbrown Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 (edited) ...If it's during a cutscene the video stops but the audio keeps going then I have to ctrl-alt-del to terminate the game. Sometimes it runs for a couple of hours, sometimes I can't even get out of the safehouse before it freezes. This patch has improved my FPS massively, but now I get the random crashes... Win xp sp3 Corsair hx620w 2 gigs system ram 2x 8800gts 320 sli running 181.22 drivers AMD Opteron 185 Dual Core @2.86ghz I've crashed exactly that way. And I also have seen a substantial performance increase. Well now I know for positive that's the problem is not my rig. I hope Rockstar is paying attention...at any rate I suspect it has something to do with the new graphic setting options that were introduced with update 2. I've turned off Vsync from the nvidia control panel - I'll see if that stops the crashing. Edited February 7, 2009 by jonbrown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fedde Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I get LOADING freezes since patch too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Have any of you modded files to the game prior to the patch? Have you guys done any over clocking since the day you bought your machine? Check for dirt fuzz hair or what not in your heatsinks. Check your memory for stability. What is your mem clocks speeds? what is the model number of your processor. and model number of your video card. Not like I am a know it all or anything, just want as much info as possible so I can and others can look into helping a little bit more than just guessing. I hope you guys get the help you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbrown Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Have any of you modded files to the game prior to the patch?Have you guys done any over clocking since the day you bought your machine? Check for dirt fuzz hair or what not in your heatsinks. Check your memory for stability. What is your mem clocks speeds? what is the model number of your processor. and model number of your video card. Not like I am a know it all or anything, just want as much info as possible so I can and others can look into helping a little bit more than just guessing. I hope you guys get the help you need. this is a fairly common problem after patch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Ok? should everyone just give up and say "oh it's problem"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emcax24 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 yeah. thats the problem this game. i too have ctd and crash while loading, etc. after patch2. which did nothing for my framerates. and i was LOL not at your computer but the fact that your computer can barely play this game at a decent framerate with that canned benchmark. i made my own benchmark with explosions and cops and lights and rain and fire and bullets flying. its like 60 seconds long and gives a better interpretation of what fps you can really expect. dualcore 3ghz, 2gb ram overclocked a little, 4850 @stock i think. windows7 not like it matters which windows ive tried 2 out of 3. no point in going back to xp. windows7 is faster than xp. all low Statistics Average FPS: 32.35 Duration: 61.27 sec CPU Usage: 96% System memory usage: 83% Video memory usage: 43% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 800 x 600 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Low Render Quality: Low Reflection Resolution: Low Water Quality: Low Shadow Quality: Low View Distance: 1 Detail Distance: 1 Definition: On VSync: On Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 This is not a problem with the game, it is a problem with ATI graffics cards as far as I can tell. 4800 series is notorious for bugs, and so are all the latest cat drivers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickBoy254698 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Ok?should everyone just give up and say "oh it's problem"? Yes we should. There are way too many posts in this forum and others by people like you. You apparently think it's ok to pay $50 for a game that barely works even on the best systems. Then have the developer offer little to no help when it's painfully obvious they are to blame. Look, I don't expect a patch every other day. I would actually prefer they didn't patch the game because patches usually cause more problems. All I want to see is some legitimate effort on Rockstar's end to help us out. I think this game is awesome but if I can't play it and flushed $50 down the toilet, Rockstar can go to hell. To avoid the perverviable question after you read this here are my specs. Abit IP35 Pro Q6600 @ 3.0Ghz 4GB Corsair Dominator at 1000Mhz GTX 285 X-FI Extreme Gamer Since I know someone will still try to blame me for the game crashing here's the rest of the info you might try to use against me. PSU=Seasonic M12-700 - Rock Solid PSU from one of the best Cooler Master Cosmos Case - Ive installed additonal fans and removed all filters because they block airflow. Under full load my CPU runs at 45C, RAM at 45C-50C, and the GTX 285 at 65-75C. All of which are well below the specs from the manufacturer's. Now back to your question. Should we just give up? It certainly isn't my computer's fault the game crashes so like I said at the beginning, yes we should give up because it's not our job to fix this stuff. BTW I have played the game with my GTX 285, an 8800GTS 512, and an ATI 4870 512. I have also ran the game with 4GB of 800Mhz RAM, my current 4GB @ 1000Mhz, my current 4GB @ 800Mhz, 8GB of RAM @ 800Mhz, my CPU @ 2.4 and @ 3.0. The game still crashed during multiplayer with no error message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickBoy254698 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 This is not a problem with the game, it is a problem with ATI graffics cards as far as I can tell. 4800 series is notorious for bugs, and so are all the latest cat drivers... Did your parents drop you on your head as a child? Yes this is a problem with the game. They are all problems with the game. Stop trying to look smart by posting innacurate information about things you know nothing about. With a 4850 the game should run fine. Probably not on high but, it should run fine on medium. The 4800 series are the best cards ATI has ever released. As far as the driver, use the 8.12 hotfix. That gave me the best performance when I used it with my 4870 b4 I returned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emcax24 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 This is not a problem with the game, it is a problem with ATI graffics cards as far as I can tell. 4800 series is notorious for bugs, and so are all the latest cat drivers... what about the people who dont have 4800 series cards? what about the people who dont have ati cards at all? who's fault is it then? fanboy till the end... sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Ok, the reason I was requesting you post detailed info, is we know that R* lurks here. Patches get made. You may give them a chance to buy the same parts and bench and tweak till the next patch better suites your needs. Considering you have pretty much given up on the game, I would hope that would give you at least a little bit of hope. also if someone here already has the same part and had the same issue but no longer do, they could say "hey I did ,blah blah blah, and it works now". It really pains me that I have to break things down like that for some people but hey, some people are slower some people think about other stuff. it would be best if you have given up on this game to just bail and quit posting. but if you are truly looking for an answer, then by all means, participate in the conversation in a productive manor. Because you are not helping anything by withholding system specs (detailed by part numbers) , and just pouting about the game being bad. Not everyone is having issues. I really hope you get your game working. and stop posting help threads, then freaking out on people who offer ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwwIX Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 System is exactly the same. Nor do i have an ATI card. So much for your theories. Once again, game never crashed before this latest patch. I could go on for hours playing the game without any crashes. Now, the game crashes after minutes of online play for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbrown Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 i too have ctd and crash while loading, etc. after patch2. which did nothing for my framerates. and i was LOL not at your computer but the fact that your computer can barely play this game at a decent framerate with that canned benchmark. i made my own benchmark with explosions and cops and lights and rain and fire and bullets flying. its like 60 seconds long and gives a better interpretation of what fps you can really expect. Win xp sp3 Corsair hx620w 2 gigs system ram 2x 8800gts 320 sli running 181.22 drivers AMD Opteron 185 Dual Core @2.86ghz But the in-game benchmark tool is useful because it sets a standard for comparison purposes..no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinthar Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 I also have this Crash to Desktop issue. Note that this is not the out of VRAM error, it's just a CTD. The game is fine for anywhere from 10 minutes to 2 hours, but inevitably crashes, and it only happens while loading a cut scene, coming back to the game from a cut scene, or when completing a mission (I hold my breath every time one of these things happens). So the game is somewhat playable, but it's incredibly annoying to have it crash right as it would be auto-saving from a completed mission. In the interests of perhaps aiding Rockstar in their efforts with Patch 3, here are my system specs and a ton of other info: Q6600 @ 3.6 Ghz (Prime 95 stable) 4GB DDR2-1000 DFI Lanparty P35 LT Sapphire Radeon 4870X2 (stock) Seasonic S12 650W PSU Vista Home Premium x64 -Steam version of GTA:IV, patched to 1.0.2.0 -Catalyst 9.1 drivers (cleanly installed) -Catalyst AI set to Standard -All DirectX & C++ files fully updated (including fix for one of the 2008 C++ files where it copies one of the files to the C: root drive instead of the correct folder) -System fully defragged with Puran defrag Clip Capture: Off Resolution: 1680x1050 Textures: High All Rendering options: Maxed View: 20 Detail: 50 Traffic: 40 Shadow: 10 Definition: On VSync: Off Clip Capture: Off Resoure Usage (I forget exactly), something like 900/1011MB. Most of the time my game is >50 frames per second, with very few slowdowns. In other words, the game is smooth and plays amazingly well, which I should expect since I have a high-end rig. I buy almost all of my games via Steam, and own >20 modern games... all of them play perfectly on my computer, with no crashing (though Oblivion crashes when you exit the game, which is essentially a non-issue, and this is purely a Vista issue with it). I even have older games that supposedly aren't compatible with Vista x64 like KOTOR1 & 2 both working perfectly (I simply installed them with XP SP2 compat mode). I have my fans turned up so that under load my Q6600 maxed at around 60 degrees, and the 4870x2 around 72 degrees -- all well within normal operating temps. In short, GTA:IV is the only program that has ever crashed on my computer more than once. I've done a ton of research into what could be causing this, but can't come up with anything other than patch 2 just won't work with my computer. I've tried virtually every commandline configuration, using medium textures (to reduce VRAM usage to only half of my available VRAM), same issue is present with all of them. My next step is to eliminate Vista x64 as the source by installing XP SP3 to one of my other drives and trying it on there. I'll update this when I get around to doing that. I also could try the Windows 7 beta, but I'm not hopeful of that being a solution since the drivers are fundamentally the same as Vista's. Anyway, Rockstar, you have one of the best games of all time here -- please help us play it. Any other suggestions other than just waiting for the next patch? Crash detailed info: Problem signature Problem Event Name: APPCRASH Application Name: GTAIV.exe Application Version: 1.0.2.0 Application Timestamp: 494ff743 Fault Module Name: atiumdag.dll Fault Module Version: 7.14.10.636 Fault Module Timestamp: 496d6d9d Exception Code: c0000005 Exception Offset: 0004ad03 OS Version: 6.0.6001.2.1.0.768.3 Locale ID: 1033 Additional Information 1: fd00 Additional Information 2: ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160 Additional Information 3: fd00 Additional Information 4: ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160 Description Critical runtime problem Problem signature Problem Event Name: APPLICATION CRASH System RAM: -11976704 Available RAM: 1102696448 Number of CPUs: 4 Video Card Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc. Video Card Description: ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 Video Card Driver Version: 7.15.0010.0170 OS Version: 6.0.6001.2.1.0.768.3 Locale ID: 1033 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbrown Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 (edited) So far no crashes after 2 sessions about 4 hours total playtime. I have winxp. what I did was go to nvidia control panel (manage 3d settings) and change vsync to force off and turned it off in the game as well. Since I did that, no crashes. if i crash again, I'll post again. I think something like this could be done with vista and/or ati systems. Note: Steam version users might need to find GTA 4.exe in the SteamApps/common/gta4 folder because it might not appear in list of programs installed. [edit] No crashes after 3 more hours. I think the vsync enabled by default with the patch 2 had a detrimental effect on my system. I don't think I'm out of the woods yet so I'll post here again if I crash. Edited February 9, 2009 by jonbrown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinthar Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Interesting. I'll try to force vsync off from the Catalyst Control Center and see if that works. Unfortunately, I didn't buy the game until patch 2 was already released, so I don't know if my crashes are purely an issue with patch 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbrown Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 ATI/Vista might have the same kind of issues. I don't know how necessary but try having the in-game and vid card driver settings the same... Nvidia says that with WinXP, vsync should be forced on or forced off in the control panel but in Vista, it should be controled in game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingdongs Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Stop installing patches. I played the game from start to finish on my PC with the original disk, no mods, no patches, no updates. It worked fine. My system isn't top of the line either.. Video Card- NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX Ram- 3GB only 160 GB HD XP Professional SP3 As you can see it isn't top of the line at all. The fact here is just play the game how it is, if you can't play it on the default patch 1.0, then your system is not good enough for the game and it is time to DROP IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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