thales100 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 The HD4870X2 BEATS the GTX285 in any game, including GTA IV. If you say that a GTX285 can beat a HD4870X2, post some proof such as benchmarks. And there is no microstuttering with the HD4870X2. The 4870X2 uses supertiling and so microstuttering CANNOT happen. It's impossible. So, it's an nVidia only problem. If you still say that there is microstuttering with games, post some proof. @Maraca, Laptops are very limited in upgrade options. There's no way a laptop such as your's will run IV decently. Better off selling it and adding the cash to your desktop PC budget. No m8, you post a benchie proving a 4870x2 can beat my GTX 280 : StatisticsAverage FPS: 58.96Duration: 37.18 secCPU Usage: 69%System memory usage: 66%Video memory usage: 95%Graphics SettingsVideo Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz)Texture Quality: HighRender Quality: HighestReflection Resolution: Very HighWater Quality: Very HighShadow Quality: Very HighView Distance: 100Detail Distance: 100Definition: OnVSync: OffHardwareMicrosoft® Windows Vista" Ultimate Service Pack 1Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280Video Driver version: 181.22Audio Adapter: Alto-falantes (2- Razer Barracuda AC-1 Gaming Audio Card)Intel® Core2 Extreme CPU X9650 @ 3.00GHzFile ID: benchmark.cli Bout microstuttering, you should search more before posting m8. Whats your rig config btw ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidan87 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 @ Thales: Sometimes when I do a benchmark I get similar results of yours.. I'll try overclocking my CPU to 4GHz then we'll have some serious competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 @ Thales:Sometimes when I do a benchmark I get a similar results of yours.. I'll try overclocking my CPU to 4GHz then we'll have some serious competition Absolutely , but i wonder if you have some micro stuttering playing GTA 4 or any other issues such as RESC10, pop textures, occasional lag or any crash ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidan87 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Not at all. I use the -memrestrict command and I use cacheboost so I experience no memory leaks (stuttering, awful pop ups)/out of video memory problems. And the game runs at like 25 FPS during heavy rain at night + 6 stars wanted level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Dude, Thales, the 4870X2 is CONFIRMED to not have ANY microstuttering. None at all. Like I said before, ATI uses a different way to render frames on their Crossfire setups. Proof? Here you go . And Aidan here is living proof of that . Oh and the 4870X2 does indeed beat the 280, I'm sure of it. But I can't find any benchmarks of a rig similar to yours sadly. So hopefully Aidan posts a benchmark of his. Can you Aidan ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Can you Aidan ? Its a GTX 280 ownage till now, it rapes the 4870x2, with my 58.96 FPS - against your poor words, a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Let's see if Aidan posts some benchmarks . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidan87 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) Here is a benchmark: StatisticsAverage FPS: 57.46Duration: 37.06 secCPU Usage: 77%System memory usage: 14%Video memory usage: 93%Graphics SettingsVideo Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz)Texture Quality: HighRender Quality: HighestReflection Resolution: Very HighWater Quality: Very HighShadow Quality: Very HighView Distance: 100Detail Distance: 100Definition: OffVSync: Off I'll overclock my quad tonight and I'll post another benchmark Edit: I'm using "-availablevidmem 1.6" command so that I could use 100% draw distance. GTA IV reads 1GB only from the 4870x2 Edited February 14, 2009 by aidan87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) Oooh, this is getting interesting . Looking forward to your benchies man . Oh and I just saw that Thales asked for my specs, sorry man. Wasn't ignoring you or anything, I just seemed to have missed it. [email protected] 2GB DDR2 800 KVR at 986MHz 8600GT 512MB . Edited February 14, 2009 by Warlord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidan87 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 [email protected]2GB DDR2 800 KVR at 986MHz 8600GT 512MB . Not bad. How does your PC perform in IV? Will there be a big difference if your CPU was on stock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I get ~25FPS with everything except view and detail distance maxed out at 1280X1024. Then again, my video card is overclocked to hell and back . Running at 800/1900/475 (core/shader/memory). Haven't really tested out IV with the CPU at stock, too lazy . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidan87 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Wow that's nice. I'm surprised that an 86GT (even when overclocked) can handle GTA at max settings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Here is a benchmark: StatisticsAverage FPS: 57.46Duration: 37.06 secCPU Usage: 77%System memory usage: 14%Video memory usage: 93%Graphics SettingsVideo Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz)Texture Quality: HighRender Quality: HighestReflection Resolution: Very HighWater Quality: Very HighShadow Quality: Very HighView Distance: 100Detail Distance: 100Definition: OffVSync: Off I'll overclock my quad tonight and I'll post another benchmark Edit: I'm using "-availablevidmem 1.6" command so that I could use 100% draw distance. GTA IV reads 1GB only from the 4870x2 Looks good, but you shouldnt get a FPS boost by oc the Qx9650 from 3.84 to 4 Ghz, since according to my tests after 3.67 Ghz and patch 1.0.2, the bottleneck becomes the GPU ( 1 Gb VRAM limit), not the quad. Btw GTA 4 is reading correctly your efective VRAM, 1 Gb as you know (2 x 1 Gb total, but only 1 Gb effective). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Oh and I just saw that Thales asked for my specs, sorry man. Wasn't ignoring you or anything, I just seemed to have missed it. [email protected] 2GB DDR2 800 KVR at 986MHz 8600GT 512MB . Looks good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidan87 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) Actually my goal is to reach 4.18Ghz (1860FSB, 930MHZ RAM), I'm currently at 1688FSB and 844mhz RAM. My friend did it on water cooling, extreme edition CPU. I hope I could even get close to his results I'll see what I can do tonight though, hopefully I'll beat your benchmarks Edited February 14, 2009 by aidan87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 LOL. My rig is nothing compared to your's or Aidan's. You can't even compare a 8600GT to a GTX280 or 4870X2 . But I was on a strict budget and this rig is way better than the PIII rig I was using before . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Actually my goal is to reach 4.18Ghz (1860FSB, 930MHZ RAM), I'm currently at 1688FSB and 844mhz RAM. My friend did it on water cooling, extreme edition CPU. I hope I could even get close to his results Ah yours is the "normal" version Q9650, locked multiplier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidan87 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Yep, it is. Unlocked multiplier doesn't justify that 450$ (when I bought it) difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) @Maraca, I just revised the around $1000 build a little more as my previous one was messed up. I made two builds, an ATI build and a nVidia build. Go with what you prefer. Keep in mind though that both of these builds would be able to run IV maxed out with absolutely no problems . The motherboard is changed as this is a better board for the same price. The RAM too is changed as the one chosen before isn't really needed at all if not overclocking. Build: Sunbeam Silent Storm Thermaltake Purepower 600W MSI X58 Pro i7 920 GSkill 6GB (3X2GB) DDR3 1333 PC3 10666 Powercolor HD4870X2 if going with ATI or PNY GTX285 if going with nVidia. Totals to $1,244.93 with the ATI card and $1,169.93 with the nVidia card. Edited February 14, 2009 by Warlord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron123 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Totals to $1,244.93 with the ATI card and $1,169.93 with the nVidia card. well, it is a high price for an very high-end rig, if he have the money then he can buy it, An average gamer not really needs this so very expensive record's breaking hardware for ultra gaming with high AA. for all the games to be playble in max settings, lower and cheaper rigs should do the job, but it's up to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maraca2020 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 thanks so much warlord. Ron, what kind of rig did you have in mind. Also warlord, can you do a $600 the same way again? Thanks, cause I'm just realizing that i'd have to double my budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maraca2020 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I feel really bad for pestering you guys, but what it all comes down to is timing. I'd really like a nice laptop in 3.5 years when I go off to college. If I build this nice expensive rig, even the $600 one, 1. there's no way that i could take it to college, and 2. I won't have enough money to buy the laptop. And if I want to sell it I won't get good money for it at all. So unless there's a way to transfer all of those nice parts that i would buy from a desktop to a laptop (which there is not). I have no idea what to do. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron123 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) I feel really bad for pestering you guys, but what it all comes down to is timing. I'd really like a nice laptop in 3.5 years when I go off to college. If I build this nice expensive rig, even the $600 one, 1. there's no way that i could take it to college, and 2. I won't have enough money to buy the laptop. And if I want to sell it I won't get good money for it at all. So unless there's a way to transfer all of those nice parts that i would buy from a desktop to a laptop (which there is not). I have no idea what to do. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again. forget now from laptops, in 3.5 years we will have better laptops for cheaper prices, Take what ever rig you want, the best or just the min to play max settings games, for 600$ I will advice the "GTX260 55nn" + cheap quad with good extra air-cooler, all the other hardware should be the min to handle your rig. Edited February 14, 2009 by ron123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maraca2020 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 thanks would you mind specing one out for me? Thanks. The whole deal, all the parts + case, no screen, mouse, or keyboard. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 This is the best I could do for your budget, but it overshoots your budget slightly. For $623.93: Sunbeam Silent Storm Thermaltake Purepower 600W Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3L Core 2 Quad Q6600 G.Skill 4GB (2X2GB) DDR2 800 MSI HD4830 512MB GDDR3 Western Digital Caviar 500GB SATAII 32MB Cache There . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maraca2020 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) thanks. Again, this may seem totally random, but what could i do to this to make it run gta? AMD Athlon 64 X2 2.2 GHz NVIDIA GeForce 6150 2 GB (DDR2 SDRAM) PCI Express Max Supported RAM 4 GB Hard Drive Capacity 250 GB Motherboard NVIDIA nForce6150 I'm not sure how many watts the power supply has, but definetly not a lot. What can I do minimally to make gta IV run? Edited February 14, 2009 by maraca2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron123 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 This is the best I could do for your budget, but it overshoots your budget slightly. For $623.93: Sunbeam Silent Storm Thermaltake Purepower 600W Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3L Core 2 Quad Q6600 G.Skill 4GB (2X2GB) DDR2 800 MSI HD4830 512MB GDDR3 Western Digital Caviar 500GB SATAII 32MB Cache There . damn, it is like my rig, I bought it for 750$ in 2008's september in Israel, there evrything is 30% more expensive then in the US prices, I was happy for my rig for that price, till I played GTAIV and Crysis. Now I know that I did a good deal, I got also 500watt PS, and GA-P35-DS3L motherbourd, and DVDRW for that 750$ rig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 thanks. Again, this may seem totally random, but what could i do to this to make it run gta? AMD Athlon 64 X2 2.2 GHz NVIDIA GeForce 6150 2 GB (DDR2 SDRAM) PCI Express Max Supported RAM 4 GB Hard Drive Capacity 250 GB Motherboard NVIDIA nForce6150 I'm not sure how many watts the power supply has, but definetly not a lot. What can I do minimally to make gta IV run? Well, you'd have to get a proper power supply with enough power and a graphics card as it seems like it has onboard graphics which would NOT cut it for IV. But even if you get a power supply and a graphics card, it'll still be held back by the processor as it's really weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidan87 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) thanks. Again, this may seem totally random, but what could i do to this to make it run gta? AMD Athlon 64 X2 2.2 GHz NVIDIA GeForce 6150 2 GB (DDR2 SDRAM) PCI Express Max Supported RAM 4 GB Hard Drive Capacity 250 GB Motherboard NVIDIA nForce6150 I'm not sure how many watts the power supply has, but definetly not a lot. What can I do minimally to make gta IV run? Sorry but the 6150 can't even run GTA IV. The minimum is ATI X1900 or Nvidia 7900 which are alot stronger than your card. The only way you could get GTA IV to run is to upgrade your graphics card. If you are looking for a graphics card and you're low on budget I recommend this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814102715 This card, combined with your processor and RAM should let you play GTA IV at 1280 res on medium settings with 20+FPS Edited February 14, 2009 by aidan87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maraca2020 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 i was thinking of a 9800 GT 512mb. Good choice? Also how much of a power supply would i need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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