maraca2020 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Thanks so much! I don't want to overclock so around how many fps would i get? Also, is a gtx 280 better? Is the motherboard suggested very good, or just for price? are the two I suggested before better? Finally, if i'm not going to overclock, do I need a better i7? Thanks. Because I can go up more in price, so would it be worth these changes? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) To be honest, that first system will let you play IV maxed out easily. The motherboard suggested is not just good for the price, it's an overall EXCELLENT board. And even if you're not overclocking the i7 920 would be fine for gaming. But if you can give us a specific budget, it would be far easier to put together a system. So, yeah give us a specific budget . Edited February 13, 2009 by Warlord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 The 4870 is better than the 280. Mmm , dont think so. The GTX 280 is the best card to run GTA 4 and also rapes a 4870 running any other game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) F*ck, my bad. I got the 4870 mixed up with the 4870X2. So yeah, maraca, the 280 is better, my mistake. Thanks for that Thales ! Now I put in a 4870X2 which rapes the 280 . Will edit the builds. Edited February 13, 2009 by Warlord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron123 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I don't want to overclock so around how many fps would i get? The CPU from some 2.8GHZ to 3.8GHZ will be some extra 20-30 FPS in GTAIV only, OC the GPU to MAX stable speeds will give some extra 10 FPS (not in GTA IV) on a 65nn card model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Like I said before though Maraca, give us a specific budget. Would be way easier to put together a build then . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maraca2020 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 thanks. Well here's the deal with my budget. I have $600 on hand right now. Which basically screws me over for any computer whatsoever. So I figured that if I'm gonna spend that much money on a computer, than I'll sell some stuff to get how much money I need. The whole point is that I don't want to replace this computer for another 4 years, so I figure I'll be saving some money there. I also have an 3 year old toshiba celeron m laptop that I can sell. Bought $750 new, has a small chip in paint, but otherwise good condition, don't know how much I can sell it for. But if I find an old desktop, and replace the parts, how much money could I save? Thanks. That pretty much is my budget lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron123 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) thanks. Well here's the deal with my budget. I have $600 on hand right now. Which basically screws me over for any computer whatsoever. So I figured that if I'm gonna spend that much money on a computer, than I'll sell some stuff to get how much money I need. The whole point is that I don't want to replace this computer for another 4 years, so I figure I'll be saving some money there. I also have an 3 year old toshiba celeron m laptop that I can sell. Bought $750 new, has a small chip in paint, but otherwise good condition, don't know how much I can sell it for. But if I find an old desktop, and replace the parts, how much money could I save? Thanks. That pretty much is my budget lol. with this money I would wait till the summer for better rigs to come, no chance to buy good rig for 3-4 years these days, 1-1.5 years is max. Edited February 13, 2009 by ron123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maraca2020 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 even if I build it myself it will only last 1.5 years? What new rigs will come out? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 You wouldn't really be able to save money from getting an old desktop and replacing the parts unless you get a pretty new PC for a REALLY REALLY good price. Otherwise, it's best and cheapest to put together a system froms scratch. For $603.94, you can get this system: Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3L Core 2 Quad Q9400 GSkill 4GB (2X2GB) DDR2 800 PC6400 MSI HD4830 512MB Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200RPM 32MB Cache SATAII Cooler Master eXtreme Power 600W This system should be able to play IV and all other games fine, even without overclocking, but you have a lot of overclocking room with this system, so if you ever want some free massive boosts of performance, you can easily do it . Oh and this system will last you for a long time, 4 years would be possible. Just as long as you don't expect to max out every possible game in the future, this system will last you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maraca2020 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 No problem. Around $1000 build: Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD3R i7 920 Kingston HyperX 6GB (3X2GB) DDR3 2000 PowerColor HD4870X2 2GB GDDR5 Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200RPM 32MB Cache SATAII Cooler Master eXtreme Power 550W Totals to $1,055.94. Under $1000 build: Same as the above build but with this video card. Totals to $983.94. The first build is better and worth the slightly increased cost though. It has a 4870X2 while the second has a 4830. The i7 would run IV with absolutely no problems, and you can overclock it for ewven more performance as these chips are great overclockers. thanks. One thing though, do I need another fan/cooler? Also, can you recomend the cheapest case that will work? thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) Unless you're doing some extreme overclocking, the stock cooler would be fine. But if you can afford it, get this cooler. Also, for a case, this would be an awesome choice. It's got three 120MM fans so the airflow will be great and it looks awesome too. For the price, it can't be beaten. Edited February 13, 2009 by Warlord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron123 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 4 years would be possible. Just as long as you don't expect to max out every possible game in the future, this system will last you. I don't think so, we will have the new Larrabee GPUs in 2010 (maybe even in 2009's end) those GPUs will work with a raytraced tech which needs 4 times the power of an 285GTX. our corrent generation of rigs will die somewhere in 2010, end even a 295GTX in quad SLI won't save those GPUs in the near future, it what happend to the 7900GX2, a dead monster after few mounths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dude, that rig I built would last for 4 years as long as he doesn't want to max out settings. He'd be able to play games fine at medium to medium-high settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maraca2020 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 alright, here are my 2 options. Cause I'm in 9th grade now, so what i'd like to do is have a sweet gaming desktop now, then get an apple laptop when I go off to college. Don't call me a spoiled brat, I've earned this $600 myself, and the apple laptop will be some of my money + a small gift from my parents. So based on that, what would you do in my situation. Either the $600 pc or, the $1000 pc, considering that I won't be able to get another for 4 years, and have no money for upgrading. Thanks warlord especially for all of your help. So what would you guys do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron123 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dude, that rig I built would last for 4 years as long as he doesn't want to max out settings. He'd be able to play games fine at medium to medium-high settings. From wiki: Intel's SIGGRAPH 2008 paper describes simulations of Larrabee's projected performance.[7] Graphs show how many 1 GHz Larrabee cores are required to maintain 60 FPS at 1600x1200 resolution in several popular games. Roughly 25 cores are required for Gears of War with no antialiasing, 25 cores for F.E.A.R with 4x antialiasing, and 10 cores for Half-Life 2: Episode 2 with 4x antialiasing. It is likely that Larrabee will run faster than 1 GHz, so these numbers are conservative.[13] Another graph shows that performance on these games scales nearly linearly with the number of cores up to 32 cores. At 48 cores the performance scaling is roughly 90% of linear. A June 2007 PC Watch article suggests that the first Larrabee chips will feature 32 x86 processor cores and come out in late 2009, fabricated on a 45 nanometer process. Chips with a few defective cores due to yield issues will be sold as a 24-core version. Later in 2010 Larrabee will be shrunk for a 32 nanometer fabrication process which will enable a 48 core version.[14] Fudzilla has posted several short articles about Larrabee, claiming that Larrabee may have a TDP as large as 300W,[15] that Larrabee will use a 12-layer PCB and has a cooling system that "is meant to look similar to what you can find on high-end Nvidia cards today,"[16] that Larrabee will use GDDR5 memory, and that it is targeted to have 2 single-precision teraflops of computing power.[17] Larrabee is going to kill the market, AMD and NVIDIA already working on new solutions (AMD called it fusion), It should be like a leap between 2D to 3D graphics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I'd recommend getting the best possible desktop you can right now. Then you won't have to worry about it not being able to play games for a good while. So, the $1000 one would be the best . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maraca2020 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dude, that rig I built would last for 4 years as long as he doesn't want to max out settings. He'd be able to play games fine at medium to medium-high settings. From wiki: Intel's SIGGRAPH 2008 paper describes simulations of Larrabee's projected performance.[7] Graphs show how many 1 GHz Larrabee cores are required to maintain 60 FPS at 1600x1200 resolution in several popular games. Roughly 25 cores are required for Gears of War with no antialiasing, 25 cores for F.E.A.R with 4x antialiasing, and 10 cores for Half-Life 2: Episode 2 with 4x antialiasing. It is likely that Larrabee will run faster than 1 GHz, so these numbers are conservative.[13] Another graph shows that performance on these games scales nearly linearly with the number of cores up to 32 cores. At 48 cores the performance scaling is roughly 90% of linear. A June 2007 PC Watch article suggests that the first Larrabee chips will feature 32 x86 processor cores and come out in late 2009, fabricated on a 45 nanometer process. Chips with a few defective cores due to yield issues will be sold as a 24-core version. Later in 2010 Larrabee will be shrunk for a 32 nanometer fabrication process which will enable a 48 core version.[14] Fudzilla has posted several short articles about Larrabee, claiming that Larrabee may have a TDP as large as 300W,[15] that Larrabee will use a 12-layer PCB and has a cooling system that "is meant to look similar to what you can find on high-end Nvidia cards today,"[16] that Larrabee will use GDDR5 memory, and that it is targeted to have 2 single-precision teraflops of computing power.[17] Larrabee is going to kill the market, AMD and NVIDIA already working on new solutions (AMD called it fusion), It should be like a leap between 2D to 3D graphics. how does/should this affect what I do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron123 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Larrabee is going to kill the market, AMD and NVIDIA already working on new solutions (AMD called it fusion), It should be like a leap between 2D to 3D graphics. how does/should this affect what I do? If you want to play games till 2010 it shouldn't effect you at all, If you want to play modern games in late 2010 then you have to wait till 2010-2009's end, or buy then the new GPUs for your rig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 It doesn't really affect what you buy now as it won't be coming out for a while. And even when it comes out, it doesn't mean that devs would simply drop all support for anything other than Larrabee, the 4870X2 will be competitive even when Larrabee is out. The 4870X2 is currently the second fastest card on earth, that should be enough to justify buying it . The thing is, the 4870X2 should serve you well for a long time as long as you don't expect to run every single future games at the absolute maximum settings. But the 4870X2 is just so damn POWERFUL that I'm pretty sure you'll be able to run a lot of future games maxed out for a long time to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maraca2020 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 what about the gtx 280? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron123 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 It doesn't really affect what you buy now as it won't be coming out for a while. And even when it comes out, it doesn't mean that devs would simply drop all support for anything other than Larrabee, the 4870X2 will be competitive even when Larrabee is out. The 4870X2 is currently the second fastest card on earth, that should be enough to justify buying it . The thing is, the 4870X2 should serve you well for a long time as long as you don't expect to run every single future games at the absolute maximum settings. But the 4870X2 is just so damn POWERFUL that I'm pretty sure you'll be able to run a lot of future games maxed out for a long time to come. First 295GTX is more powerfull in some 20% then 4870X2, second Larrabee won't need any special compatibility, they will be good like for any other game. The question is which tech the next crysis for example will have, our generation can forget from raytrace tech. It is up to the games devs, we will have at least 3-4 times stronger GPUs in 2010, Nvidia and ATI will try to compete as well with the new GPU power, I am sure that most of the games in 2010 will be playble for our GPUs, I just don't know about the best games which will fight to supply the best graphics for the new GPUs power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 what about the gtx 280? The 4870X2 is WAY faster than the GTX280 . That $1000 build WILL last you for four years. The 4870X2 will be able to play games for four years. @Ron, You're not understanding what I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron123 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 what about the gtx 280? The 4870X2 is WAY faster than the GTX280 . in some 10% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maraca2020 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 so, final choice. Considering the larabee, what computer would you build? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I'd still recommend getting that system I built. The Larrabee won't cause the current high end cards to become totally extinct or anything like that, the 4870X2 by then would be a mid-high end card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron123 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) so, final choice. Considering the larabee, what computer would you build? 285GTX (+home OC), a cheap OC quad with air cooler. and the other hardware just for the min required to handle the CPU and GPU. Edited February 13, 2009 by ron123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I would recommend getting the best PC you can now as you said that you won't be able to get another for another 4 years. But the choice is up to you, but I highly recommend the $1000 build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maraca2020 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 i think: the base i7, the gtx 285, the motherboard from the $1000 kit, the ddr3 from the $1000 kit (that is ram, right?), the case that warlord suggested, the seagate HDD, $1000 power supply. Sound good? missing anything? Last 4 years? Play GTA IV? around $1000? Thanks for all of your help, ron and warlord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron123 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 i think: the base i7, the gtx 285, the motherboard from the $1000 kit, the ddr3 from the $1000 kit (that is ram, right?), the case that warlord suggested, the seagate HDD, $1000 power supply. Sound good? missing anything? Last 4 years? Play GTA IV? around $1000? Thanks for all of your help, ron and warlord fine, enjoy the best money can buy! missing anything? -DVDRW Last 4 years? -not even 2 GTA IV?-playable max settings around $1000? more or less I was happy to help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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