anus Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Hmm. Well, I think you should try out this. It may fix your issue as it's fixed a lot of general problems with IV for me. Oh and about the quad, you're not noticing a big improvement because your settings aren't all that high. Your res isn't all that high either. If you try the game maxed out at a res like 1680x1050 on the old dual and then the Q6600, you'll REALLY see a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jplip Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I want that GTX295... Grrr my only problem is i can't find one here. What settings do you think is recommended on my specs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 DO I NEED TO UPGRADE TO???INTEL CORE i7 extreme processor NVIDIA GTX 295 graphics processor To play GTA 4 the GTX 295 isnt a good idea, due to the poor SLi support of the game + only 896mb of effective VRAM, a GTX 280/285 would be much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 If you can't find a 295, get a GTX285. Anyway, for the current PC you have. Before you do anything, overclock that CPU to atleast 3GHz (or more ). After that, I think you'll probably be able to play fine at a res like 1280x1024 with everything on medium. But don't expect 60FPS. I think with the settings I mentioned, the max you could get is about 30FPS, but that would be really rare. Best thing to do would be to get the GTX285. And if you have enough money to spend on a GTX295, you might as well get a better CPU . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luceberg Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I think I found the problem. I disabled speedstep in the bios. My dual core was benchmarking 85-90% usage whereas the quad only 50-55%. Have been pelting up and down star junction in a comet without jerks or stutters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samul Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 If you can't find a 295, get a GTX285. Anyway, for the current PC you have. Before you do anything, overclock that CPU to atleast 3GHz (or more ). After that, I think you'll probably be able to play fine at a res like 1280x1024 with everything on medium. But don't expect 60FPS. I think with the settings I mentioned, the max you could get is about 30FPS, but that would be really rare. Best thing to do would be to get the GTX285. And if you have enough money to spend on a GTX295, you might as well get a better CPU . Scratch that... dont get the GTX 295... its a problematic dual GPU solution (like all of them out there) and you are limited to 896 mb of vram in gta4... even though on the box it says 1795 of vram... gta 4 really uses just one card for vram... get the GTX 285 or the 280 wich is almost the same exept its a single card with 1 GB of certified vram. In gta 4 it says 1008 mb of available vram ram not 892 mb like the 295. I bought a GTX 280 and sold my GTX 295 because of games like this... with the gtx 295 I had microstutter issues in almost all games including old ones like BF2... since im with the 280 no problems at all... and I can even max out even more my GTA 4 than when I used to own my GTX 295... word of advice dont get single PCB dual gpu solutions... one PCB is meant for one GPU, its a little less ruff on the PCI express slot... so if you want to go SLi buy other gtx 280 and your set! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I think I found the problem. I disabled speedstep in the bios. My dual core was benchmarking 85-90% usage whereas the quad only 50-55%. Have been pelting up and down star junction in a comet without jerks or stutters. lol I never thought of that. Haha. Good to know it's finally fixed though. I always disable SpeedStep and C1E when overclocking, best to turn those two off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luceberg Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 lol I never thought of that. Haha. Good to know it's finally fixed though. I always disable SpeedStep and C1E when overclocking, best to turn those two off. Yes, I did disable CIE too. I quite like the speedstep function for the power saving, so that's why I left it on before. However, game performance comes first! ps. How do I include the poster and time with the "quote" function? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Press the "Quote" button on the top right of the post you wish to quote. Honestly dude, with a good PC like that, I'm surprised that IV is the only game that you play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luceberg Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Cheers! What games would you recommend? I tried Bioshock on xbox which was quite fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I'd say get Fallout 3, Left 4 Dead, COD4, Test Drive Unlimited, Bioshock (but you already know that ), FEAR 2, Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Athena and maybe Godfather 2. Drop by the PC game topic in Gaming Chat sometime mate. All us PC gamers hang there . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicedens2002 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 my specs:- Gigabyte P35-DS3R CORE 2 Duo E6600 2.6GHZ(oc) 2GB of RAM corsair 667 mhz Zebronics Geforce 8800GT 512MB (600/1500) overclocked to 624/1800 160GB+250GB) both seagate (game in 250GB HDD) Windows Xp pro sp3 sony 17 LCD SDM-HS75P i play at res. - 1280x1024 textures - medium reflection res. - high water - high shadow - off texture filter quality - high view dist. - 10 detail dist. - 10 vehicle density - 100 shadow dens. - 0 definition - on vsync - off playing at 20 to 30 fps lowering settings also gives me the same fps any recommended settings to play above 30 fps ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radynj Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 (edited) vicedens2002 you'll want to overclock that CPU more to get better performance. That E6600 can easily do 3.4Ghz on decent cooling. GTA4 is very CPU intensive, so every little bit you can get out of your CPU will have a big impact. These are my scores on my E7200 when it's overclocked to 3.8ghz (it's an old run through, I run at 4.1Ghz now) Statistics Average FPS: 28.96 Duration: 37.26 sec CPU Usage: 87% System memory usage: 67% Video memory usage: 100% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1280 x 1024 (75 Hz) Texture Quality: High Render Quality: High Reflection Resolution: High Water Quality: High Shadow Quality: High View Distance: 44 Detail Distance: 51 Definition: On VSync: On Hardware Microsoft® Windows Vista" Ultimate Service Pack 1 Video Adapter: ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series Video Driver version: 7.14.10.630 Audio Adapter: Speakers (Creative SB Audigy 4 (WDM)) Intel® Core2 Duo CPU E7200 @ 2.53GHz btw I'm running this on a Radeon 4850 and a Asus P5K-E motherboard. Edited April 7, 2009 by Radynj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luceberg Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I just changed my overclock from 9 x377 to 8 x 425, still 3.4Ghz, memory running 850 instead of 755. Now running much better, smoother with less popins. I have to say that my dual core at the same settings was very good too, about 10 fps slower, but there is not that much difference 40 to 50 fps. Smoothness and lack of artifact is more important. I would be interested to know what people think comparing a quad with a dual. I would guess a dual @ 3.6Ghz would outperform quad at 2.4Ghz by some margin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jplip Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 If you can't find a 295, get a GTX285. Anyway, for the current PC you have. Before you do anything, overclock that CPU to atleast 3GHz (or more ). After that, I think you'll probably be able to play fine at a res like 1280x1024 with everything on medium. But don't expect 60FPS. I think with the settings I mentioned, the max you could get is about 30FPS, but that would be really rare. Best thing to do would be to get the GTX285. And if you have enough money to spend on a GTX295, you might as well get a better CPU . Scratch that... dont get the GTX 295... its a problematic dual GPU solution (like all of them out there) and you are limited to 896 mb of vram in gta4... even though on the box it says 1795 of vram... gta 4 really uses just one card for vram... get the GTX 285 or the 280 wich is almost the same exept its a single card with 1 GB of certified vram. In gta 4 it says 1008 mb of available vram ram not 892 mb like the 295. I bought a GTX 280 and sold my GTX 295 because of games like this... with the gtx 295 I had microstutter issues in almost all games including old ones like BF2... since im with the 280 no problems at all... and I can even max out even more my GTA 4 than when I used to own my GTX 295... word of advice dont get single PCB dual gpu solutions... one PCB is meant for one GPU, its a little less ruff on the PCI express slot... so if you want to go SLi buy other gtx 280 and your set! Aight.. Thanks men. I'll have the Gtx285 0r 280 Have to look for one.. anybody knows how to use 2 video card at once? What hardware do i need for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk Russian 9 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) Benchmark? Ok. (Updated) Statistics Average FPS: 56.69 Duration: 36.96 sec CPU Usage: 90% System memory usage: 66% Video memory usage: 96% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Texture Filter Quality: High View Distance: 20 Detail Distance: 20 Edited April 8, 2009 by Drunk Russian 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilthecellist Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 If you can't find a 295, get a GTX285. Anyway, for the current PC you have. Before you do anything, overclock that CPU to atleast 3GHz (or more ). After that, I think you'll probably be able to play fine at a res like 1280x1024 with everything on medium. But don't expect 60FPS. I think with the settings I mentioned, the max you could get is about 30FPS, but that would be really rare. Best thing to do would be to get the GTX285. And if you have enough money to spend on a GTX295, you might as well get a better CPU . Scratch that... dont get the GTX 295... its a problematic dual GPU solution (like all of them out there) and you are limited to 896 mb of vram in gta4... even though on the box it says 1795 of vram... gta 4 really uses just one card for vram... get the GTX 285 or the 280 wich is almost the same exept its a single card with 1 GB of certified vram. In gta 4 it says 1008 mb of available vram ram not 892 mb like the 295. I bought a GTX 280 and sold my GTX 295 because of games like this... with the gtx 295 I had microstutter issues in almost all games including old ones like BF2... since im with the 280 no problems at all... and I can even max out even more my GTA 4 than when I used to own my GTX 295... word of advice dont get single PCB dual gpu solutions... one PCB is meant for one GPU, its a little less ruff on the PCI express slot... so if you want to go SLi buy other gtx 280 and your set! Aight.. Thanks men. I'll have the Gtx285 0r 280 Have to look for one.. anybody knows how to use 2 video card at once? What hardware do i need for that? Your motherboard must have space to fit 2 or more cards. The setup you are looking for is called "SLI". If your motherboard is standard, it should support SLI, but if you're running on a micro-ATX motherboard, you may encounter problems setting up SLI on your computer. My motherboard is micro-ATX and supports up to 2 cards in SLI mode (there isn't space for 3) but my old motherboard didn't even have space for a second card even though it "supported" SLI. So in the end it's all about the physical dimensions of your motherboard as most mobos these days support SLI already. I am a GTX 285 and upgraded from a GTX 260 as well as a GTX 280. Believe me, the 285 has far less micro-stuttering than the 280. In fact, I don't even see any stuttering on the GTX 285 except in... GTA IV. Yep. Even Crysis Warhead has no stuttering. But GTA IV does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicedens2002 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 vicedens2002 you'll want to overclock that CPU more to get better performance. That E6600 can easily do 3.4Ghz on decent cooling. GTA4 is very CPU intensive, so every little bit you can get out of your CPU will have a big impact. These are my scores on my E7200 when it's overclocked to 3.8ghz (it's an old run through, I run at 4.1Ghz now) Statistics Average FPS: 28.96 Duration: 37.26 sec CPU Usage: 87% System memory usage: 67% Video memory usage: 100% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1280 x 1024 (75 Hz) Texture Quality: High Render Quality: High Reflection Resolution: High Water Quality: High Shadow Quality: High View Distance: 44 Detail Distance: 51 Definition: On VSync: On Hardware Microsoft® Windows Vista" Ultimate Service Pack 1 Video Adapter: ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series Video Driver version: 7.14.10.630 Audio Adapter: Speakers (Creative SB Audigy 4 (WDM)) Intel® Core2 Duo CPU E7200 @ 2.53GHz btw I'm running this on a Radeon 4850 and a Asus P5K-E motherboard. i have only have the stock cooling for cpu... i can over clock till 2.6gh only..... next week i am getting a quad, a new mobo(wat do u recommend a asus mobo or gigabyte mobo?) and a 9800gt or gtx+..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jplip Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Can anyone help me?? Please give me the Specs to have the fastest PC available in the market today... For DESKTOP pls. Like what is compatible with Core i7 extreme.. Just don't include the price in $.. PC parts are cheaper here in my country ... Im not satisfied with my Specs anymore. Not just for GTA4 i will be using it also for Architectural Rendering.. tnx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpope17 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Can anyone help me?? Please give me the Specs to have the fastest PC available in the market today... For DESKTOP pls. Like what is compatible with Core i7 extreme.. Just don't include the price in $.. PC parts are cheaper here in my country ... Im not satisfied with my Specs anymore. Not just for GTA4 i will be using it also for Architectural Rendering.. tnx If I had the i7 extreme, I would probably have with that, two 4870x2 cards with 8GBs of DDR3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jplip Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 I finally have the answer Motherboard: Asus P6T Deluxe OC Palm Edition CPU: Intel Core i7 940 RAM: OCZ 3 x 2GB DDR3 1600MHz Video Card : Nvida GeForce GTX 295 Sound Card : HT Omega Claro Plus+ Strorage Drives : Intel X25-M 80GB / WD WD20EADS 2TB Optical Drives LG GH22NP20 / Pioneer BDR-203BKS Power Supply Unit : PC Power & Cooling S75QB 750W Case : Cooler Master HAF 932 Monitor : Samsung SyncMaster 305T 30" Widescreen LCD Speaker System : Logitech Z-5500 5.1 505W Only for PHP178'000 or $3'800 Good Thing Hardwares are cheaper in my country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alin_zt Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Statistics Average FPS: 38.21 Duration: 37.17 sec CPU Usage: 96% System memory usage: 58% Video memory usage: 94% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Texture Filter Quality: High View Distance: 24 Detail Distance: 36 Hardware Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT (Prerelease - WDDM 1.1) Video Driver version: 181.71 Audio Adapter: Speakers (SB Audigy) Intel® Core2 CPU E6600 @ 2.40GHz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 If you can't find a 295, get a GTX285. Anyway, for the current PC you have. Before you do anything, overclock that CPU to atleast 3GHz (or more ). After that, I think you'll probably be able to play fine at a res like 1280x1024 with everything on medium. But don't expect 60FPS. I think with the settings I mentioned, the max you could get is about 30FPS, but that would be really rare. Best thing to do would be to get the GTX285. And if you have enough money to spend on a GTX295, you might as well get a better CPU . Scratch that... dont get the GTX 295... its a problematic dual GPU solution (like all of them out there) and you are limited to 896 mb of vram in gta4... even though on the box it says 1795 of vram... gta 4 really uses just one card for vram... get the GTX 285 or the 280 wich is almost the same exept its a single card with 1 GB of certified vram. In gta 4 it says 1008 mb of available vram ram not 892 mb like the 295. I bought a GTX 280 and sold my GTX 295 because of games like this... with the gtx 295 I had microstutter issues in almost all games including old ones like BF2... since im with the 280 no problems at all... and I can even max out even more my GTA 4 than when I used to own my GTX 295... word of advice dont get single PCB dual gpu solutions... one PCB is meant for one GPU, its a little less ruff on the PCI express slot... so if you want to go SLi buy other gtx 280 and your set! Aight.. Thanks men. I'll have the Gtx285 0r 280 Have to look for one.. anybody knows how to use 2 video card at once? What hardware do i need for that? Your motherboard must have space to fit 2 or more cards. The setup you are looking for is called "SLI". If your motherboard is standard, it should support SLI, but if you're running on a micro-ATX motherboard, you may encounter problems setting up SLI on your computer. My motherboard is micro-ATX and supports up to 2 cards in SLI mode (there isn't space for 3) but my old motherboard didn't even have space for a second card even though it "supported" SLI. So in the end it's all about the physical dimensions of your motherboard as most mobos these days support SLI already. I am a GTX 285 and upgraded from a GTX 260 as well as a GTX 280. Believe me, the 285 has far less micro-stuttering than the 280. In fact, I don't even see any stuttering on the GTX 285 except in... GTA IV. Yep. Even Crysis Warhead has no stuttering. But GTA IV does. I have to agree, only IV has given me problems. I re-installed Crysis just so I could try out my new cards on the Crysis benchmark tool, I certainly wasn't disappointed in anyway. If you hold off a little bit you can get one of those non reference cards and have 2gig memory too, an absolute winner for IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abel. Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 If you can't find a 295, get a GTX285. Anyway, for the current PC you have. Before you do anything, overclock that CPU to atleast 3GHz (or more ). After that, I think you'll probably be able to play fine at a res like 1280x1024 with everything on medium. But don't expect 60FPS. I think with the settings I mentioned, the max you could get is about 30FPS, but that would be really rare. Best thing to do would be to get the GTX285. And if you have enough money to spend on a GTX295, you might as well get a better CPU . Scratch that... dont get the GTX 295... its a problematic dual GPU solution (like all of them out there) and you are limited to 896 mb of vram in gta4... even though on the box it says 1795 of vram... gta 4 really uses just one card for vram... get the GTX 285 or the 280 wich is almost the same exept its a single card with 1 GB of certified vram. In gta 4 it says 1008 mb of available vram ram not 892 mb like the 295. I bought a GTX 280 and sold my GTX 295 because of games like this... with the gtx 295 I had microstutter issues in almost all games including old ones like BF2... since im with the 280 no problems at all... and I can even max out even more my GTA 4 than when I used to own my GTX 295... word of advice dont get single PCB dual gpu solutions... one PCB is meant for one GPU, its a little less ruff on the PCI express slot... so if you want to go SLi buy other gtx 280 and your set! Aight.. Thanks men. I'll have the Gtx285 0r 280 Have to look for one.. anybody knows how to use 2 video card at once? What hardware do i need for that? Your motherboard must have space to fit 2 or more cards. The setup you are looking for is called "SLI". If your motherboard is standard, it should support SLI, but if you're running on a micro-ATX motherboard, you may encounter problems setting up SLI on your computer. My motherboard is micro-ATX and supports up to 2 cards in SLI mode (there isn't space for 3) but my old motherboard didn't even have space for a second card even though it "supported" SLI. So in the end it's all about the physical dimensions of your motherboard as most mobos these days support SLI already. I am a GTX 285 and upgraded from a GTX 260 as well as a GTX 280. Believe me, the 285 has far less micro-stuttering than the 280. In fact, I don't even see any stuttering on the GTX 285 except in... GTA IV. Yep. Even Crysis Warhead has no stuttering. But GTA IV does. I have to agree, only IV has given me problems. I re-installed Crysis just so I could try out my new cards on the Crysis benchmark tool, I certainly wasn't disappointed in anyway. If you hold off a little bit you can get one of those non reference cards and have 2gig memory too, an absolute winner for IV. Indeed, IV is also heavily reliant on VRAM. Pinky, what FPS count are you currently achieving in Crysis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimesTwo Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 I finally have the answer Motherboard: Asus P6T Deluxe OC Palm Edition CPU: Intel Core i7 940 RAM: OCZ 3 x 2GB DDR3 1600MHz Video Card : Nvida GeForce GTX 295 Sound Card : HT Omega Claro Plus+ Strorage Drives : Intel X25-M 80GB / WD WD20EADS 2TB Optical Drives LG GH22NP20 / Pioneer BDR-203BKS Power Supply Unit : PC Power & Cooling S75QB 750W Case : Cooler Master HAF 932 Monitor : Samsung SyncMaster 305T 30" Widescreen LCD Speaker System : Logitech Z-5500 5.1 505W Only for PHP178'000 or $3'800 Good Thing Hardwares are cheaper in my country on what currency are u going to buy it, peso or dollar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MkElite YouTube Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 im not rich but i got an OK system ASUS m2avm AMD X2 5000+ 3.1Ghz 2 GB Corsair 800 480WATT PSU 320 GB HDD nVidia 8600GT 1GB (OC to 735, MEM 2 961) i get around 20-30 fps all settings on high but draw distance on 79, cant go further... resolution is 1024x768 if i make it 1280x1024 only a little fps drop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jplip Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 (edited) I finally have the answer Motherboard: Asus P6T Deluxe OC Palm Edition CPU: Intel Core i7 940 RAM: OCZ 3 x 2GB DDR3 1600MHz Video Card : Nvida GeForce GTX 295 Sound Card : HT Omega Claro Plus+ Strorage Drives : Intel X25-M 80GB / WD WD20EADS 2TB Optical Drives LG GH22NP20 / Pioneer BDR-203BKS Power Supply Unit : PC Power & Cooling S75QB 750W Case : Cooler Master HAF 932 Monitor : Samsung SyncMaster 305T 30" Widescreen LCD Speaker System : Logitech Z-5500 5.1 505W Only for PHP178'000 or $3'800 Good Thing Hardwares are cheaper in my country on what currency are u going to buy it, peso or dollar? In peso.. here in my country. I just got the Estimate on a reputed store a direct Distributor of PC parts. when i checked online. it cost more in $.. err.. This GTA4 thing.. Nice ROCKSTAR! you just made the Computer Companies more BUcks! What PC are these Rockstar Developers using?? How and when can we achieved and enjoy the Full Setting of this GAME??? after 5years? Ahmm.. Which one is better??? a GTX295 or the GTX285? im so confused with RAtings and Testing of different Site about this two hardwares.. Im not a Geek when it comes to PC.. i just buy what i think is best based on advice of Experts and the net Edited April 12, 2009 by jplip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heat84 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 err.. This GTA4 thing.. Nice ROCKSTAR! you just made the Computer Companies more BUcks! Its a conspiracy man. But nobody believes me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWelshGamer Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Statistics Average FPS: 57.81 Duration: 37.33 sec CPU Usage: 70% System memory usage: 91% Video memory usage: 82% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1440 x 900 (75 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Texture Filter Quality: High View Distance: 45 Detail Distance: 37 Hardware Microsoft® Windows Vista" Home Premium Service Pack 1 Video Adapter: ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series (4830) Video Driver version: 8.14.10.647 Audio Adapter: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio) AMD Phenom II X4 920 Processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jplip Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 err.. This GTA4 thing.. Nice ROCKSTAR! you just made the Computer Companies more BUcks! Its a conspiracy man. But nobody believes me. Maybe.. But Still Rockstar had a big impact on consumers in buying more powerful upgrades to run GTA4.. just like me. Man. what harware do we need to maximize all the settings of gta4?? Even the highest ones on the market today cannot even achieved 100% full settings.. Game DEVS what do they use? Can we have them too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now