E.R Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 295 is a bad choice for GTA4. As the game doesn't support SLI and onboard SLI will just be even more painful, I know, 3850 X2... It does support SLI with patch2 and 180.84. Problem is that to mutch load are put on the CPU so GPU scaling are bad but SLI are still supported and SLI bar is working, just not to the level it should be IF the load where put on the right place, hence GPU. Crysis and FC2 are the perfect example of how it should be done in a perfect game where GPU 2-3 do make a difference and even the fourth does make a difference but where the fourth are useless in rest of the games out there today. What make 295 bad are the low memory, only 895MB don´t cut it for GTA4 that needs at least 1GB and 2GB to be happy and only one card has 2 GB today, the nonreference superediton of GTX285. Just because the bars come up does not mean its supported. I can get the bars to come up in any game I own. The second card is not running at all. It sits there turned on. Rockstar should use the second gpu as a physics engine or another cpu. Sorry, but SLI IS supported in the game since 180.84 and patch2, that has been proven sevral times by now. Performance IS higher when both card is activated than only one and it is not within the margin of error during gameplay. I KNOW all my three cards working as it should in the game and not sitting in idle, but the game is stupidly CPU-demanding that the GPU:s cant do its work properly and show it. What Rockstar should do is put the load on GPU, where it belongs and not on CPU where it not belong. PhysX wont do anything in this game as wh already have quads and I7 that do the work better. No. Oh, yes, it does. Never worked with either my Ultras or 285s, always plays better with SLi turned off. Are you forcing split frame rendering or anything like that? Just running (in this case)182.06 with Nhancer 2.4.5 and on 3-way AFR setting in anything, preset as in overiding preset profiles. EVGA:s SLI-patch does nothing for this game but with lillte help of adjustment it works fine for Burnout Paradise. The card is running as they should, but the stupid way the gameload are put the scaling are not what is should be, but thats not the point here where all cards pumping up the power and not only one and only way to how it is using the current the cards is using individually and at what point as temp means nothing in wc-enviroment where one thing can heat up the next and give a false indication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aragond Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 1. a single 4870 is weaker then those cards, but it's also quite a lot less expensive. This goes on country-by-country basis, but here the cheapest 4870 is (more then) two times cheaper then the cheapest 280.2. something is off in this image as x2 cards will outperform single cards in games that support it or at least match the performance of single cards. 3. if your have your budget in mind, 4870 is probably the best solution as it's cheap, especially after the recent price cuts. The 1GB version is noticeably more expensive (at least here), but it would be better (especially for GTA IV) on high res. 4. if money is not your biggest concern, IMO the 285 is the way to go. the 4870x2 card is in that price range, but 285 will outperform it. On highest resolutions they are comparable, but in the end a) Nvidia likes to bribe developers b) Nvidia has less issues with drivers c) 4870x2 is a dual card, no matter what. That means, games that do not support it, will use it like a single GPU. To cut long story short 4870 for price, 285 for performance. The only issue being GTA IV, which seems to like 280 a whole lot more then the 285. Cheers, mkey. I guess when I said "4870" I was really referring to the X2. I know the singular is weaker than all the GTXs, and I guess it's the interminably back-n-forth, conflicting reports of "Yes, SLI works" with "No, SLi does not work!" that are making me question whether the X2 triumphs over the 285. I've since found this that suggests the prices reflect tested performance (except in Far Cry 2), although a 295 doesn't seem >50% better in performance than a 285. G'byte 4870 1GB = au$455 G'byte 280 1GB = au$565 G'byte 285 1GB = au$605 Sapphire 4870 X2 = au$765 (There isn't a G'byte on my price list) G'byte 295 1GB = au$935 But, I might be waiting for the 285 2GB, now, since my employers owe me three months wages and are delaying paying. Bloody recession! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicetopia Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 The only issue being GTA IV, which seems to like 280 a whole lot more then the 285. Bullsh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 The only issue being GTA IV, which seems to like 280 a whole lot more then the 285. Bullsh*t. ? Someone has his panties in a twist again, hmmm? aragond, IMO in its price range, the 285 is the best solution. It's supposedly 10% faster then the 280, less power consumption/heat dissipation and whatnot. The only problem being, what vicetopia over there fails to understand, is that as reported on the boards, in some cases GTA IV causes problems with 285. pinky had issues with two of them while [email protected] can't run the game AT ALL on his brand new system. Now, two cases are not what you could call representative, but look at thales100 and his 280 running the game is it should be ran (even though IMO he can't possibly see all the details on his current screen res) and compare it to issues those two have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 The only issue being GTA IV, which seems to like 280 a whole lot more then the 285. Bullsh*t. ? Someone has his panties in a twist again, hmmm? aragond, IMO in its price range, the 285 is the best solution. It's supposedly 10% faster then the 280, less power consumption/heat dissipation and whatnot. The only problem being, what vicetopia over there fails to understand, is that as reported on the boards, in some cases GTA IV causes problems with 285. pinky had issues with two of them while [email protected] can't run the game AT ALL on his brand new system. Now, two cases are not what you could call representative, but look at thales100 and his 280 running the game is it should be ran (even though IMO he can't possibly see all the details on his current screen res) and compare it to issues those two have. mkey82 is right, I could run the game better with my Ultras than what it runs with my 285s, must something to do with the new cards architecture and drivers. Never had memory leak crashes until I fitted the 285s, although I have also went from an ASUS Striker II NSE mobo to a Striker II Extreme as well. Maybe a mobo BIOS difference not helping the cause any as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Maybe a mobo BIOS difference not helping the cause any as well. Have you tried flashing the BIOS? I fixed some of my issues after doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Maybe a mobo BIOS difference not helping the cause any as well. Have you tried flashing the BIOS? I fixed some of my issues after doing so. Is a possibility as my NSE was flashed to a later BIOS and I haven't flashed the Extreme yet at all. Still plenty of other 285 owners having problems though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 look at thales100 and his 280 running the game Yes its a great card to run GTA 4, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicetopia Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) in some cases GTA IV causes problems with 285 Still plenty of other 285 owners having problems though Bullsh*t and bullsh*t. Also, proof? Edited March 18, 2009 by Vicetopia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 in some cases GTA IV causes problems with 285 Still plenty of other 285 owners having problems though Bullsh*t and bullsh*t. Also, proof? Learn to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicetopia Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Learn to read. I see 1 guy with problems on a 285. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I see 1 guy with problems on a 285. There are some more in this thread GTA 4 crashes with GTX 285 - http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=397324 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicetopia Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 There are some more in this thread GTA 4 crashes with GTX 285 - http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=397324 Because only GTX 285 users get the RESC10 errors, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Learn to read. I see 1 guy with problems on a 285. Like I said, there isn't loads of info on this subject, but if we look at the regulars on the board, there are two of them (pinky who has two cards and [email protected] who can't run the game at all - if you want I'll ask [email protected] to post here personally just for you) stacked against thales100 who runs the game perfectly well. Now, I don't know who else here has the 280 or the 285, but if I was getting one of these cards with GTA IV in mind I would probably go for the 280. Probably. Also, you should really get that sand out of your vagina as I never made any ridiculous claims about the 280 or 285 nor have I forgot to mention that my assumptions are based on a very small sample of users - i.e. those I know that even have these cards. I was only commenting what's really going on. That is, *some* people here have issues with 285 and GTA IV. That's all. K? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicetopia Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Like I said, there isn't loads of info on this subject, but if we look at the regulars on the board, there are two of them (pinky who has two cards and [email protected] who can't run the game at all - if you want I'll ask [email protected] to post here personally just for you) stacked against thales100 who runs the game perfectly well. So we let 1 person vocal about their GTX 280 benchmarks, and another person vocal about his GTX 285 problems, determine that the GTX 280 is better than the 285 for GTA4? I swear I wouldn't even bother reading these forums anymore if I didn't find you people so amusing. you should really get that sand out of your vagina Unfortunately that's how it works usually, if you can't back up a claim, then don't make the claim. Otherwise you're spreading FUD. Which is why I have no choice but to call bullsh*t on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Because only GTX 285 users get the RESC10 errors, right? Well, i have a GTX 280 and no crashes here my friend, i can speak only for myself , just like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I found some links, nothing conclusive of course. - here - pinky, was that liquidpinky a relative of yours, or what? - people here seem to be happy with the 285, but there are gripes about 295 Like I said a number of times by now, my opinion is based on a very small sample. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicetopia Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Well, i have a GTX 280 and no crashes here my friend, i can speak only for myself , just like you. That's because the 280 or 285 is not specifically responsible for the crashes. Like I said a number of times by now, my opinion is based on a very small sample. Like I said a number of times by now, don't make unsubstantiated hardware recommendations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Well, i have a GTX 280 and no crashes here my friend, i can speak only for myself , just like you. That's because the 280 or 285 is not specifically responsible for the crashes. Like I said a number of times by now, my opinion is based on a very small sample. Like I said a number of times by now, don't make unsubstantiated hardware recommendations. You are arguing against people who actually have the hardware and the problems, you don't have either so cannot even represent them. All my hardware is the same and the only difference is my GFX cards, works fine with Ultras and not so fine with 285s. It has to be the design or drivers of the new generation NVIDIA cards causing the problem, when I say causing I mean allowing a fault in the existing IV code to cause problems. Turns out my Extreme was on the same BIOS as my NSE anyway, all the BIOS settings are also identical to the NSE BIOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicetopia Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) You are arguing against people who actually have the hardware and the problems, you don't have either so cannot even represent them. I have a GTX 280 and haven't had any problems with it with relation to GTA4. But we're not talking about the GTX 280, so it's not relevant information anyway. Although relying on 1 person to "represent" an entire line of video cards is a bit silly in the first place. The experiences of a single user with a video card isn't enough evidence to reflect on the entire series. If you had a bad experience with the 285 then you're going to have a poor opinion of the card, unlike me, a third party source with no biased opinion on the card whatsoever. If everyone else on the planet loves their 285's, but you have problems with your's, that doesn't mean the 285 has problems. It just means you, in particular, have problems. All my hardware is the same and the only difference is my GFX cards, works fine with Ultras and not so fine with 285s.It has to be the design or drivers of the new generation NVIDIA cards causing the problem, when I say causing I mean allowing a fault in the existing IV code to cause problems. Design? Drivers? The GTX 285 is a GTX 280 on a 55nm process, with higher clocks. Though I'm sure you know this of course. The only design difference might be the heatsink (Referencing the GTX 260 55nm), but I think the 285 is identical to the 280 in that respect as well. If you upgraded from Ultras to 285's and lost fps, then unfortunately it's user error. Although we all know GTA4 isn't so great with multiple GPU's, so I don't know if you're using SLi in GTA4. I'm sorry to hear you have problems with IV, but that's no excuse to say the 280 is better equipped to handle the game. That's just silly. Edited March 18, 2009 by Vicetopia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) You are arguing against people who actually have the hardware and the problems, you don't have either so cannot even represent them. I have a GTX 280 and haven't had any problems with it with relation to GTA4. But we're not talking about the GTX 280, so it's not relevant information anyway. Although relying on 1 person to "represent" an entire line of video cards is a bit silly in the first place. The experiences of a single user with a video card isn't enough evidence to reflect on the entire series. If you had a bad experience with the 285 then you're going to have a poor opinion of the card, unlike me, a third party source with no biased opinion on the card whatsoever. If everyone else on the planet loves their 285's, but you have problems with your's, that doesn't mean the 285 has problems. It just means you, in particular, have problems. All my hardware is the same and the only difference is my GFX cards, works fine with Ultras and not so fine with 285s.It has to be the design or drivers of the new generation NVIDIA cards causing the problem, when I say causing I mean allowing a fault in the existing IV code to cause problems. Design? Drivers? The GTX 285 is a GTX 280 on a 55nm process, with higher clocks. Though I'm sure you know this of course. The only design difference might be the heatsink (Referencing the GTX 260 55nm), but I think the 285 is identical to the 280 in that respect as well. If you upgraded from Ultras to 285's and lost fps, then unfortunately it's user error. Although we all know GTA4 isn't so great with multiple GPU's, so I don't know if you're using SLi in GTA4. I'm sorry to hear you have problems with IV, but that's no excuse to say the 280 is better equipped to handle the game. That's just silly. I have problems with IV and 285s, otherwise I am more than happy with them. Because they don't perform well in IV doesn't by any means make me think they are bad. And I am not one person representing the card, there are plenty others having difficulties with them and IV as well. I am not one to refer as myself as multitudes of people just because I alone have a problem. There is more than the process and heatsink that are different, know of the different voltage controller for instance? I am not just some n00b who hands over a fistsfull of cash to buy what is supposed to be the best at the time, I do my research and do know what the parts are and how they work. My money is hard earned and I don't think lightly of throwing it away. As for user error, I built the whole f*cking PC. Including all the liquid cooling set up and even fitted the Zalman waterblocks to the Ultras, the 285s will be getting the same treatment shortly. Didn't particularly find it all that taxing to be honest. I never said the 280 was better equipped at any point, you putting words into my mouth. I just said that the 280 was the card that was the best performer with IV so far in my opinion. That's right my opinion. Now why don't you stop being silly and get back under the bridge with the rest of the trolls. While we are at it, why not change your sig to show you have a 280 instead of a 4870. Would help me to get my facts straight if you keep yours that way. Edited March 18, 2009 by pinky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicetopia Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) Now why don't you stop being silly and get back under the bridge with the rest of the trolls. I never said the 280 was better equipped at any point, you putting words into my mouth Well I'm not here to argue with you about the quality of the 285. Someone on the previous page (and other threads) was saying the 280 is a better card for GTA4 than the 285. They referenced your issue with the 285 and apparently brought you into the debate somehow... know of the different voltage controller for instance? It's the reason the EVGA Voltage Tuner won't work. While we are at it, why not change your sig to show you have a 280 instead of a 4870. Would help me to get my facts straight if you keep yours that way. Because I'm using a 4870 1 GB, silly. I do need to update my CPU/mem settings though... edit; Okay updated it. Edited March 18, 2009 by Vicetopia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Like I said a number of times by now, don't make unsubstantiated hardware recommendations. Oh no, recommending 280 over 285! What a fekking mistake to make! /sarcasm Especially when you consider it's a personal recommendation (subjective and possibly based on nothing) one can easily ignore. Like I said, if it was about me, I would probably get the 280. And this is what I said to aragond. If you have a better recommendation for him, be my/our guest. Also, sorry to drag you into some dispute pinky, it wasn't my intention. I guess it's easy to start a fight over nothing with some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonFTL Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I just installed GTAIV. Holy sh*t! The difference is like night and day. This game is going to be soo damn fun now. Oc'd this i7 too 3.7ghz too. Ridiculously easy. http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4605/i7920.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilthecellist Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I'm also a GTX 285 user and am having problems with GTA IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I'm also a GTX 285 user and am having problems with GTA IV. No need to add oil to the fire. Lets give that argument a rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicetopia Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 34 FPS proper-maxed out. That card should come bundled with GTA IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subversion1337 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) nice find vicetopia. link to context please? Edited March 20, 2009 by Subversion1337 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicetopia Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1059052445 seems like the machine had already been around... Well 1 GB is definitely not enough to max GTA4 without using the commandline trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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