My FPS is very low...why?

[Ninox777]

ive still got 1 question about the pc i have now, is it possible that the ram speed is slowin my fps? I have 4,5GB RAM, 2x1GB (SAME ONES) 1x2GB and 1x512MB

Look at this

 

I've been told once to take off the 512MB, I did, but the speed and all stats were exactly the same as now.

 

So is my ram running too slow?

[anus]

This is EXACTLY why its not recommended to mix RAM. Try using only the Kingston or the Geil and test your speed.

[Ninox777]

so ure sayin my ram speed is too slow? at what speed should it be?

and no i cant use just 2GB RAM, even if its faster its not enough memory to play.

[anus]

Yep its running slow.

 

Why? Because the RAM in your fourth slot is slower than the RAM in the other slots, and so all the sticks run at the slowest RAM's speed. This is why your RAM is running so slow.

 

Also, the timings of each and every one of your sticks are different. This will hinder performance even more.

 

I recommend removing all the RAM except for your Kingstons and getting another 2X1GB RAM kit of exactly the same brand and model and speed.

[luceberg]

Preferably, 2 x 2Gb for gaming, I beleive, as it is more efficient on a single channel.

[emcax24]

sheesh listen to these guys.

 

take out that 512stick its running like 1/2 the speed of the rest. with the 4gigs in. the 2x1gb and the single 2gb stick you can run your ram at 5-5-5-15. you might want to bump up the voltage a notch if your bios has those options. also with you running a 800mhz processor your ram is actually runing at half speed. what you need to do is run a 1:2 divider so your ram is running at 2x its current speed which will bring it up to stock speed. take a picture of the main page of cpu-z and a picture of the memory page. not the spd.

[Ninox777]

there is no point in taking off the 512, i did try that, but it still runs at the same speed. I cant leave only 2GB ram in my pc, its not good enough , it would be if i were using xp but vista eats too much

. I think ill buy another same 2gb ram as the one i got now, cuz that 2x1GB kingston are 1 year old ram

 

BTW:

 

can someone post a screen shot of their 'memory' tab in cpuz?

 

EDIT:

here u go

I dont get it, i did remove the 512 but speed doesnt change, what do i need to change in bios? I did look for some dram options in my bios but there aint anythin like that

My bios ( picture taken from here, http://www.madshrimps.be/printart.php?articID=808 , there are some more bios pictures if u want to look at )

Edited February 6, 2009 by Ninox777

[emcax24]

remove the 512 stick.

 

put the 2 1gb sticks in slot 1 and 3, and put the 2gb stick in slot 2.

 

 

in the bios go to advanced settings. -> chipset

 

set dram frequency to manual.

 

enter 800 as the number.

 

tcl -5

trp -5

trcd -5

trrd -15

 

 

set the memory voltage to 1.9

 

leave everything else the same and then reboot.

[Shornblade]

If the budget for a new card is 150 ish then overclocking might be a bad idea. Don't OC something you can't afford to replace.

If you nuke your card/processor/memory/ or god forbid, the PSU blows due to the new stress when it's already maxed you could be looking at permanent damage to some components, or the loss of a few - if not all. A friend of mine's PSU blew 4 capacitors one after the other and it fried every single component on the pc, including his dvd burner.

 

As a student on a budget, the best idea is to use your pc to the end of it's life, get enough cash to buy a new pc, pick a rig you want to buy/build, but DONT buy it.

 

OC your pc, take off the sides pannels if it's system with no real airflow, and stick a cheapass deskfan on it. If it goes well, use it at it's limits till it gives up the ghost or it simply can't run any of the new games. By that time there will be either new tech out, or the components you wanted will be way cheaper. If it doesn't go well, then no big deal. Just buy the system you marked out.

 

The last thing you want to do is OC your pc and then end up having to buy one of your mate's old systems till you can afford a proper one as that will set your new system back a month if not more.

[Ninox777]

 

If the budget for a new card is 150 ish then overclocking might be a bad idea. Don't OC something you can't afford to replace.

If you nuke your card/processor/memory/ or god forbid, the PSU blows due to the new stress when it's already maxed you could be looking at permanent damage to some components, or the loss of a few - if not all. A friend of mine's PSU blew 4 capacitors one after the other and it fried every single component on the pc, including his dvd burner.

 

As a student on a budget, the best idea is to use your pc to the end of it's life, get enough cash to buy a new pc, pick a rig you want to buy/build, but DONT buy it.

 

OC your pc, take off the sides pannels if it's system with no real airflow, and stick a cheapass deskfan on it. If it goes well, use it at it's limits till it gives up the ghost or it simply can't run any of the new games. By that time there will be either new tech out, or the components you wanted will be way cheaper. If it doesn't go well, then no big deal. Just buy the system you marked out.

 

The last thing you want to do is OC your pc and then end up having to buy one of your mate's old systems till you can afford a proper one as that will set your new system back a month if not more.

did u even bother to read anything i said? I clearly said I'm not going to overclock cpu or gpu

 

@emcax24

 

set 800? thats the dram speed ? I know that the 1x2gb and 2x1gb support only 400mhz

 

And if i do what, what kind of speed will i be gettin?

Edited February 6, 2009 by Ninox777

[emcax24]

no ones telling him to overclock anything hes not even running his ram at stock hes running it under.

[Ninox777]

Ok, so i took off the 512mb ram, put the 2x1gb to slot 1 and 3, the 2gb one to 2, set on bios voltage to 1.9, but didnt set the dram frequency as i dont have this option( yes im sure )

and here are the results..

As you see, nothing has changed...

 

EDIT:

The only thing similar to the DRAM frequency I found is under CPU configuration, there is somehing called Memory Clock and it has some options similar to the dram, like this:

266MHz (DDRII553)

333MHz (DDRII667)

400MHz (DDRII800)

and few more cant remember, but there is no " manual" also under that there is something like this tcl -5

trp

trcd

trrd

, but this is not the thing im lookin for anyway is it?

Edited February 6, 2009 by Ninox777

[Shornblade]

In DDR2 [dual channel] if your DDR memory clock is 200MHz, the effective clock speed is 400MHz.

 

You might have mentioned before but what spec is your LOWEST ram stick?

[Ninox777]

Go on page 5, there are screens of all my ram sticks, right now i just removed the 512mb one and set the voltage to 1.9

[Shornblade]

In memory clock set 400MHz (DDRII800)

 

Your memory is 400MHz. As you have 2 sticks, your CPU will use twice the FSB, dual channels, or two roads to your memory if you like. As long as they are in two seperate slots you can gain a benefit from this for an effective 800Mhz. You have 3 though so it really depends on your mobo if this'll work. Did you happen to notice the colour of the slots your memory is in?

 

edit - btw your memory is PC3200 Gb/s (400Mhz) for future reference.

 

Edited February 6, 2009 by Shornblade

[Ninox777]

I did, the there are 4 slots, the slots 1-2 are yellow, and the slots 3-4 are orange.

So I need to set this memory clock speed to DDR2 400(800) ? But why is that under CPU settings not the Chipest settings? and what do i do with this

trp

trcd

trrd

etc?

[Shornblade]

The sticks need to be paired into the correct slots.

So, you'd have your 1gig in yellow, and the smaller ones in orange [assuming they are identical.] this'll alow them to run in dual channel mode despite having 3 sticks.

 

TRP is RAS precharge

TRCD is RAS to CAS Delay

TRRD is row to row delay

 

This is all very very specific and without knowing the exact specifications on your ram sticks leave them well alone. It should auto detect. I've never even seen the options on a BIOS as manual set before.

[Ninox777]

No i put on the ram as that other guy told me to, i have 1x1GB ram in yellow slot ( slot 1 ) in yellow slot 2 i have the 1x2GB ram, and in orange slot 3 i have 1x1GB RAM.

And as I said, nothing has changed

To get a good ram speed i need to configure it on bios, but im not sure how to. I could do as that other guy told me to, but I dont have dram frequency under chipest settings, i have this thing that looks very similar but its called Memory Clock and its under CPU settings

the

trp

trcd

trrd

are also there under cpu settings

[anus]

Can you try with only one stick? Try with the Geil stick only and see if the speed is fixed.

[Ninox777]

Ok brb

[Spider-Vice]

see ur dumb sayin LOL 9800 and 8200, i have done tests i get more fps on all games with hybrid sli than without it. its not power saving, its giving u extra memory and speed.

about the 8500, i got it like 3 years, its not that bad as i still can play most new games on medium/high settings, excluding gta iv of course. Ill upgrade to the 9800gtx put it on hybridsli with 8200 and ill be able to play gta iv on 1024x764 for sure as i am playin now on 800x600

 

BTW: 8200 is a onboard gpu...

I know the 8200 is onboard.

 

And I'd like to see you try play most games on medium/high with an 8500, like Crysis, be a slide show, it's not a gaming card.

 

85000 + 8200 is still not satisfactory for any games, and playing at 1024x768 or even 800x600 is pathetic in this day and age.

The normal 8500 (256MB) isn't for gaming. But if you're talking about the 8500 GT (512MB), then you're wrong. I overclocked my card to the max with Powerstrip and I can actually run GTAIV at high settings at 30/31FPS average. It can reach the single digits sometimes but no big deal.

[Ninox777]

Spider-Vice dont replay before reading all pages, we finished taklin about hybrid sli, i have 8200 oboard 250mb and my 8500GT 1Gb, im using it right now and i can play so far all games on medium/ high settings end of.

 

Back to my ram, now there is only 1 ram inside my pc, the 2GB RAM, nothing has changed...

I guess i need to set something on bios or thats how its suppose to be? ( My bios settings are default by the manufacturer)

 

Can someone show their cpuz Memory tab ?

[Shornblade]

Heheh, you so shrugged me off there!

No worries though, google search 'colored memory slots' and find it for yourself dude.

 

 

- edit. also what is the exact motherboard you have, as depicted on the board etching.

 

Edited February 6, 2009 by Shornblade

[Ninox777]

 

Heheh, you so shrugged me off there!

No worries though, google search 'colored memory slots' and find it for yourself dude.

My pc is brand new, the ram is or running at right speed or its too slow but its all up to the bios configuration. I am not going to buy anything to new to the pc as everything is brand new 3 weeks old and dont need replacing or anything

My mobo is : Asrock K10N78

[emcax24]

plz stop listening to those other guys they dont know wtf they are talking about.

 

 

anyway set the divider to 400mhz/ddr2800. you might have to press a key combination to unlock the advanced settings. but if you dont have a tab to adjust the ram fsb then you wont be able to make your ram go any higher. you can try getting a program called setfsb that will allow you to overclock your ram from windows. its a lot better to do it in bios but you say you dont have that option to change the fsb on yours.

 

 

oh yeah in my bios (award) you press ctrl+f1 to open the advanced options from the main page. then go into the other pages as usual and you wil see new options.

 

you can put the 512stick back in if you dont find the fsb tab for the ram and the timings.

 

 

have to interrupt myself. you said you found a page with the trd and trp and etc timings? if so then thats the page where you set the ram speed. yours might be crippled like i said.

 

but if you dont , you can put the 512 back in and continue running like youve been doing. pc4200 is like 266 mhz/533mhz. which would be a bottlenect for your ram if it was running at stock. but its not so theres no bottleneck really except your motherboard options. your ram is running at 200mhz you slowest stick can run at 266mhz. your fastest 400mhz.

 

 

if you ever get a memset or setfsb type program then you will need to remove the 512 stick again as it will be a bottleneck limiting your ram to 266mhz.

[thales100]

Heheh, you so shrugged me off there!

No worries though, google search 'colored memory slots' and find it for yourself dude.

Shornblade posted it, i know you don want to buy anything but youll get the max from a RAM running your rig upgrading to 4 x 1 Gb DDR2 1066 or 2 x 2 Gb DDR2 1066.

[Ninox777]

emcax24

These are 2 screen from asrock mobo ( dunno what version ) and same bios as mine ( maybe dif version not sure )

 

The problem with my bios is, that under CPU settings I have this Memory Clock, which have options regarding DDRII800 etc, and this trp trcd trrd, under the chipest settings I dont have anything regarding to the Ram.

So is this memory clock is the dram frequency ?

[emcax24]

i dont suppose you can take a picture of your bios page with a camera?

 

if your bios looks like these pictures then the spot that says advanced chipset configuration is where you want to look. the part where you enter the manual speed for the ram will be right above the trd/trp/tcl/ etc. also heres a picture from my cpu-z that i think you requested.

 

 

the first 4 numbers is all the timings you really need to worry about. the rest leave on auto.

 

my processor has a 800mhx fsb. so at stock speed my ram will run 200mhz like yours. in order to get it to run 400mhz i had to overclock it. well not really the ram but my fsb. these idiots (i regret to have to name call) are steering you in the wrong direction and obviously dont know what theyre talking about. if you go out and buy pc2-1066 ram it needs to run at 533mhz in order to be getting the full benefit. which in this situation would be idiotic since you arent even getting the full benefit of 400mhz pc2-800 or 266mhz/pc2-533 ram for that matter. these guys are all confused by the mubers, which isnt really their fault 100%, part of the blame goes to JDECC or whoever is in charge or ram specifications.

 

these guys are going by ddr speeds, when they should be going by ddr2 speeds.

 

200mhz in ddr is 400mhz.

 

pc3200 ran at 200mhz 400mhzddr

 

pc6400 is almost the same but its running 2x as fast as ddr which would be 4x the original bus which is still based on sdr.

 

so its actually 800mhz even though the bus reads 400mhz and ddr400 is actually 400mhz even though the bus reads 100mhz.

 

ddr= 2x sdr, ddr2 =4x sdr

sdr = single data rate (pc-100)

ddr = double data rate (pc3200)

ddr2 = double data ratex2(pc6400)

they shoulda just called it qdr.

Edited February 6, 2009 by emcax24

[Ninox777]

emcax24 so i will change to the settings u told me on other post, but now where do i put this 2x1gb and 1x2GB? i have 1-2 slots yellow and 3-4 orange. so which one goes where?

so i should enter as u said? memory clock speed 400(DDRII800)

tcl -5

trp -5

trcd -5

trrd -15

?

 

[emcax24]

sorry i was editing my post as you were typing. the 2 1gig sticks go in the 1st and 3rd slot for dual channel. the 2gig stick goes in the second slot and if you get another 2gig stick with similar timings it would go in the 4th slot.