Ninox777 Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) see ur dumb sayin LOL 9800 and 8200, i have done tests i get more fps on all games with hybrid sli than without it. its not power saving, its giving u extra memory and speed. about the 8500, i got it like 3 years, its not that bad as i still can play most new games on medium/high settings, excluding gta iv of course. Ill upgrade to the 9800gtx put it on hybridsli with 8200 and ill be able to play gta iv on 1024x764 for sure as i am playin now on 800x600 BTW: 8200 is a onboard gpu... Edited February 4, 2009 by Ninox777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 @Warlord. why dont u learn to read first? the guys before didnt say that 8200 is the problem, they did say that gta would run better without 8200, with just 8500 by it self, which is a bullsh*t cuz i tested it and it runs slower. @zellfan8 It doesnt matter what i put in the textures high low or whatever same fps, fps just decreases when i put the view distance or change the resolution Im probably gonna get 9800gtx and put it on hybrid sli with 8200 and see how it goes I did read what you said. I just feel that running hybrid SLI with onboard graphics is a bad choice. But yeah, the 9800GTX is a good choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninox777 Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 see u have no idea what hybrid sli is...hybrid sli can ONLY be ran with onboard GPU+ PICE. Thats how hybrid sli works...its totally different from sli, and its a good choice as i am gettin more fps in games with it than without it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 THAT IS WHAT I MEANT, I MEANT THAT HYBRID SLI IS NOT A GOOD IDEA AS IT PUTS STRAIN ON THE CPU. God damnit, this is what I get for trying to help out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PecanFrost Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 OK, just read up on this hybrid SLi thingy and it is pretty much SLi as we know it, this from Nvidia's own documentation... "The GeForce Boost feature enables the motherboard GPU to work collaboratively with the discrete GPU to increase the performance of the discrete GPU. When GeForce Boost is enabled, the mGPU and dGPU share the rendering load by rendering different frames of an image. Thus the graphics processing power of the mGPU is harnessed to enhance the processing power of the dGPU." And I remember reading a few articles from Tomshardware, Anandtech, PCpro.co.uk, etc. that all stated that the higher powered card would have to be reduced down to the speed of the lower powered card to be able to render correctly. Good idea in theory as when you drop back to 2D you use a lower powered card and save electricity/heat, but didn't we do that when we had add in 3D Cards (Voodoo, PowerVR, etc.)? So a single standalone 9800 would be faster than the Hybrid SLi jobbie including the 9800. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 OK, just read up on this hybrid SLi thingy and it is pretty much SLi as we know it, this from Nvidia's own documentation... "The GeForce Boost feature enables the motherboard GPU to work collaboratively with the discrete GPU to increase the performance of the discrete GPU. When GeForce Boost is enabled, the mGPU and dGPU share the rendering load by rendering different frames of an image. Thus the graphics processing power of the mGPU is harnessed to enhance the processing power of the dGPU." And I remember reading a few articles from Tomshardware, Anandtech, PCpro.co.uk, etc. that all stated that the higher powered card would have to be reduced down to the speed of the lower powered card to be able to render correctly. Good idea in theory as when you drop back to 2D you use a lower powered card and save electricity/heat, but didn't we do that when we had add in 3D Cards (Voodoo, PowerVR, etc.)? So a single standalone 9800 would be faster than the Hybrid SLi jobbie including the 9800. Yeah, it seems to work the same as using two mismatched cards in standard SLi. It always resorts to the lower cards settings to keep things more stable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PecanFrost Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Reading up even more (yeah probably should be doing some work...) it only works with cards upto the 9500GT, so no benefit beyond that. Sorry. You can use the Hybrid power option with the 9800 video card, which means you revert back to the onboard video card when you drop back to the desktop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 But this guy just won't listen. Just see what he'll say next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willhub Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 see ur dumb sayin LOL 9800 and 8200, i have done tests i get more fps on all games with hybrid sli than without it. its not power saving, its giving u extra memory and speed.about the 8500, i got it like 3 years, its not that bad as i still can play most new games on medium/high settings, excluding gta iv of course. Ill upgrade to the 9800gtx put it on hybridsli with 8200 and ill be able to play gta iv on 1024x764 for sure as i am playin now on 800x600 BTW: 8200 is a onboard gpu... I know the 8200 is onboard. And I'd like to see you try play most games on medium/high with an 8500, like Crysis, be a slide show, it's not a gaming card. 85000 + 8200 is still not satisfactory for any games, and playing at 1024x768 or even 800x600 is pathetic in this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninox777 Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) Ok first of all most of u are wrong. I DID FUKIN TESTS AND I GOT HIGHER FPS WITH HYBRID SLI THAN WITHOUT IT. Is that clear? I hope so First of all hybrid sli only works with these cards GeForce GTX 280 GeForce 9800 GX2 GeForce GTX 260 GeForce 9800 GTX+ GeForce 9800 GTX GeForce 9800 GT GeForce 8500 GT GeForce 8400 GS Ur really dumb sayin i get lower fps without it, as i did fukin tests and i got more fps of course. Besides that if i buy 9800gtx 512mb my 8200 will give me the extra memory, cuz 512 mb is not enough these days. @willhub ur knowledge is so fukin small u have no idea about anything. How is playin on 800x600 or 1024x764 pathetic if my monitor only supports up to 1280x1024 resolution ? the graphic at 1024x764 is pretty nice in all games. Yea 8500 is not very good gaming gpu but it still allows me to play games like fallout 3 on almost high settings. @Warlord. no it doesnt have any effect on cpu u said "hybrid SLI with onboard graphics is a bad choice." by sayin that u suggested that it would be better of with pcie or whatever gpu but not onboard gpu. Edited February 4, 2009 by Ninox777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi1133 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 The definition of hybrid sli is very vague.... i think it is identical no normal sli but one card renders 20 frames and the other one takes on another 10 frames for ex ... and the result is 30 fps. So the powerful card renders more frames than the slow one , and in the end the system emulates a virtual card like the 8600 to be compatible with many games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninox777 Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 The definition of hybrid sli is very vague....i think it is identical no normal sli but one card renders 20 frames and the other one takes on another 10 frames for ex ... and the result is 30 fps. So the powerful card renders more frames than the slow one , and in the end the system emulates a virtual card like the 8600 to be compatible with many games. finally someone smart, thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willhub Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) The definition of hybrid sli is very vague....i think it is identical no normal sli but one card renders 20 frames and the other one takes on another 10 frames for ex ... and the result is 30 fps. So the powerful card renders more frames than the slow one , and in the end the system emulates a virtual card like the 8600 to be compatible with many games. And what makes you think an 8200 is going to be able to render 10frames in GTA eh? Ninox, you asked why your frame rate is low, you know why, the GPU's are just not for gaming, a single GTX260 will do, that little 8200 is going to do crap all with a card that powerful. Edited February 4, 2009 by willhub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninox777 Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) and what makes u think its gonna be faster without 8200 when i did tests and i actually got like 7-15(depends on weather and place) more fps with hybrid sli. EDIT No i asked why is it so low comparin to other people that got exactly same gpu, worse cpu and less ram and they get like 40-30 fps on medium settings and i 25-19 on lowest settings Edited February 4, 2009 by Ninox777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willhub Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 and what makes u think its gonna be faster without 8200 when i did tests and i actually got like 7-15(depends on weather and place) more fps with hybrid sli. You got 7-15fps extra probably, but not in any games like GTA 4 or Crysis or UE3 powered games, more like old games, maybe COD4. Why don't you get over this Hybrid power lark and get a real graphics card, an 8200 is slow, if you want to combine 2 graphics card, then get an 9600GT or something for PhysX and a GTX260 for the main card, even thats a waste all you need is ONE real graphics card, or if you are feeling rich go get a GTX295. And besides a decent graphics card wont work with Hybrid power as someone earlier in the thread said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninox777 Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) and what makes u think its gonna be faster without 8200 when i did tests and i actually got like 7-15(depends on weather and place) more fps with hybrid sli. You got 7-15fps extra probably, but not in any games like GTA 4 or Crysis or UE3 powered games, more like old games, maybe COD4. Why don't you get over this Hybrid power lark and get a real graphics card, an 8200 is slow, if you want to combine 2 graphics card, then get an 9600GT or something for PhysX and a GTX260 for the main card, even thats a waste all you need is ONE real graphics card, or if you are feeling rich go get a GTX295. And besides a decent graphics card wont work with Hybrid power as someone earlier in the thread said. i dont give a f*ck if u belive me or not, i disabled hybrid sli in bios, ran pc only with 8500 and i got lower results in GTA IV , with 8500+8200 i got higher. But still no one answer my main question EDIT: yes it will not give me much more fps the 9800gtx with 8200 but it will get 52 power saving watts. So its still better with it than without it Edited February 4, 2009 by Ninox777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willhub Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) @willhub ur knowledge is so fukin small u have no idea about anything. How is playin on 800x600 or 1024x764 pathetic if my monitor only supports up to 1280x1024 resolution ? the graphic at 1024x764 is pretty nice in all games. Yea 8500 is not very good gaming gpu but it still allows me to play games like fallout 3 on almost high settings. You are VERY immature. If you monitor supports 1280x1024 use it, no point using any screen res with GTA 4 on that PC though. You have a quad core, 4GB of ram, and this absolute crummy little 8500GT, sounds like you've bought an off the shelve system where they flog em with cheapo graphics cards. You will get higher fps as you are using a second GPU, but the gain will be really minimal especially in GTA as the graphics cards are slow. If you want to play a game on max, including Fallout 3, get a decent GPU. The only advantage the 8200 is with an 9800 is power saving whilst on the desktop, you obviously wont have power saving in games. So you know what you need to do, buy a graphics card. Edited February 4, 2009 by willhub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninox777 Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) and ur very dumb not even tryin to understand, just sayin ur sh*tty non sense opinion this is screen of fallout 3 1024x764 everything on ultra details On lower resolution i get like 50-60 fps. Its just gta iv that is sh*t optimized. Im not sayin that my gpus are good but they still able to play most of new games. About my pc, i buited it up my self, guess how much i paid for all this( i didnt buy the 8500, i already had it ). Only 300 quid everything brand new with warranty for 1 year. Im gonna upgrade now to 9800gtx for sure but still liked to know how the hell other people with sh*tter cpu less ram same gpu medium settings, are gettin more fps in gta iv than me Edited February 4, 2009 by Ninox777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willhub Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 and ur very dumb not even tryin to understand, just sayin ur sh*tty non sense opinionthis is screen of fallout 3 1024x764 everything on ultra details On lower resolution i get like 50-60 fps. Its just gta iv that is sh*t optimized. Im not sayin that my gpus are good but they still able to play most of new games. About my pc, i buited it up my self, guess how much i paid for all this( i didnt buy the 8500, i already had it ). Only 300 quid everything brand new with warranty for 1 year. Im gonna upgrade now to 9800gtx for sure but still liked to know how the hell other people with sh*tter cpu less ram same gpu medium settings, are gettin more fps in gta iv than me 1024x768, not surprisingly it is almost unplayable at 25fps. Wait untill you are outside, the performance hit is greater. I'm far from dumb actually, I have the sense to know an 8500GT is not a gaming card and if I wish to play GTA IV or any game such as Fallout 3 even at 1280x1024 I'd want at least an 8800GTS for it to be playable. 8500GT is what you'd have in a HTPC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gta-man22 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 blah blah fallout 3 blah...Its just gta iv that is sh*t optimized AMD Phenom 9950 Black Edition 4GB RAM 8600GT ( 8500GT+8200 hybrydsli ) Windows Vista x64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refndefn Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Vista is not the problem, I get identical performance in XP 32bit and vista x64. To the OP: You asked for the reason to your slow performance. Here's the answer: Both your graphics cards are too slow for GTA4. Or rather, GTA4 is not optimized enough... well not optimized at all to run decently on your card(s). And by the way when you tested the single-card setup, how exactly did you deactivate your 8200? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninox777 Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) fukin hell how dumb u people are, i asked WHY MY PREFORMACE IS SO SLOW COMPARING TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE 8500 OR 8600 AND HAVE MORE FPS ON HIGHER SETTINGS THAN MINE. Is that clear now? or u people still cant read. Go on youtube type GTA IV 8600, there are many videos, few people got much higher resolution and no lag at all. There even are few videos with 8500 and still better visual settings... My card with this hybrid sli should actually count as 8600 with more speed and memory so i should get same or even better results than that people on youtube BTW: vista is not a problem at all. Besides xp dont support hybrid sli, its bad optimized for quad cores, and on most benchmarks vista got higher fps in most games than xp @ willhub did go outside yea its lower, but can play at 1024x768 medium settings still good quality just a bit lower textures and no lag at all. I never said i wanna play at 1280x1024, i know that is impossible with my gpu. Even with 9800gtx i dont hope on playin on gta on max with everythin... but for now when i have this 8600 1,3GB mem i should be able to play at 1024x768 and low textures or medium as other people @refndefn when i go to bios and active hybrid sli then my pc reads 8500+8200 and gives it says 8600. When hybrid sli is off, then if my monitor is plugged into pcie it reads 8500, if plugged into onboard reads 8200 simple as that Edited February 4, 2009 by Ninox777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willhub Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I don't know why it's doing it, probably the Hybrid SLi not working or something. I know one thing, a single real GPU will solve the problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninox777 Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 I don't know why it's doing it, probably the Hybrid SLi not working or something. I know one thing, a single real GPU will solve the problems. even if people with dual core processor ( non overclocked) 2 gb ram 8500 or 8600 shouldnt get that higher results than me...maybe its the 1.02 patch, somethin comes to my mind that when i had no patch at all i got better resutls but im not sure i may be wrong cant remember very well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninox777 Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 Well i dont care as much for the graphic as for the gameplay, the game is very playable and im enjoy it but still would want to have a little better graphic. Im really not sure if i should buy this 9800gtx, it only has 512 memory right? well with my hybrid sli it would have 768 mb memory , but not sure if that is enough. Seen some benchmarks that crysis dont rull well comparin to 1gb cards. I rather go for the 8800 ultra but it doesnt support hybrid sli and its rare to find. Anyway amd gives better preformance with ati cards right? maybe should go for ati then...dunno which card i should buy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbear Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Wouldn't buy any card to play GTA4 personally. I'd wait another year, and then buy one when the prices of the best cards now have dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PecanFrost Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I think you have the wrong idea about hybrid SLi, you can't use the 8200 and anything more than an 8500GT to improve performance. That's the limit of what the technology will allow. You wouldn't be able to use the 8200 and a 9800 to gain performance. It's designed to be a cheap way to improve the performance of a cheap computer, it's not designed to blow the doors off. If you want to use the HybridPower option you can mix your 8200 with any other Nvidia card you want (as long as it is supported). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninox777 Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 I can use 9800 and 8200, it will not give me performance u right, byt at least it will give me this And thats why problem now, i can spend only 150 pounds for the gpu, the 9800gtx 512 costs 130 pounds on ebay. But i wont buy a card that has only 512mb ...i need at least 1 GB card, right now im lookin something that has 1Gb , is as good as 9800 , and dont cost more than 150 quid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 For £146.33 you could get this Asus 4850 1GB or you could get this Inno3D 9800GT 1GB for £114.95. The 4850 is a far better choice though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninox777 Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) hmm i fould ATI 4870 for £150 but it has only 512 MB again... i think ill go with this 4850 EDIT: what about this? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1GB-RADEON-HD-4850-PCI-EXPRESS-GRAPHICS-CARD-100276_W0QQitemZ400025288343QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW?hash=item400025288343&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A15|39%3A1|240%3A1318#ebayphotohosting Its xpertvision ATI 4850 1GB but it seems a little bit faster than the ASUS 4850,ok ill buy that hope ill be able to play at high settings then... Edited February 4, 2009 by Ninox777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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