One-time Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Well, you know. I've been laughing at them since the first day this game is released. All their weird acts... they're just funny, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAMonkey2012 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) People have the right to complain if the product they purchased has broken parts that have not been fixed. It's just funny the amount of people defending Rockstar. They really can't come up with any good reason to defend them. They can say "Can't you just be happy with a patch 2" or stuff like "Stop complaining" etc., but in the end, the consumer is always right-- give us polished products. except arec didnt purchase anything yet, right? I've explained repeatedly my reasons for posting on the forum in other threads where Charlie has had a presence. He's well-aware of them but continues to feign ignorance because I tend to leave a thread only after it descends to gutter-level discussion. I've been here regulary because I wanted to buy GTA IV but had deep reservations because of the state of Bully on PC(it still has not been patched and now no longer appears to supported at all going by the time it was since I sent them my dxdiag in december and have recieved no reply). I've been trying to get an accurate picture of how troubled the game is(I am already aware of how good it is) but this has been hampered at every turn by angry fanboys that treat any complaint about the game like it was a direct physical threat on their mothers. Getting accurate information has been almost impossible. I thought getting info from current players would be easier than it has been getting it from Rockstar but this hasn't really been the case much so far. In the end what has now got me to purchase the game is the Rockstar collection being included in the Steam weekend deal. Every R* game including GTA IV for £39 seemed too good to be true so I bit the bullet and went for it. So now I do have GTA IV and just need to download it. I'm no longer in the position I was in before except that I'm still hoping for a performance-focused patch, aswell as some proper answers for what has been possibly the most atrocious release for a high-profile game in gaming history. Sorry mate but my I help out here. The only way you will get "a better picture" is to go out purchase the game and then install it and use it. If I read this site without getting the game I would probably think GTA's world was about to cave in and everyone on the planet hated it to death and I might suck 1fps out of it. In actual fact I got it on release day and tested the sh*t out of it (check my tweaks thread link in sig) "helped" by making threads relative to this to feed back balanced info on why and what could "help". You seem to want to justify you position by jumping on the "fanboy" blame bandwaggon but are failing to see that you are using this forum seeking all the negatives, repeating the negatives in turn not helping others reading here for info .. who in turn seeing the negatives .. and so on and so forth. You have this massive assumption that people who like it are blindsighted and dont acknowledge the faults. This game sure as sh*t has faults, IT IS WELL KNOWN, I know it, charlie knows it, most people do. But, we own it and have it working well, when it doesn't we report it constructively, allot of people find the faults ONLY post the faults and then explain it badly with "R* are sh*t" etc tagged onto it. You have simply picked up that vibe with guesswork and then proceeded to continue that procedure on second hand knowledge, which as charlie and others have said makes your points null and void. Im not on your case as such, and everyone is free to post but maybe you should take a few steps back and see that your "them and us" thinking is a waste of energy and time for not just others but maybe yourself too. Once you get it, seek out the tweak threads and add to them, you think this site didnt help you .. well if it wasnt for the bitchers it might of done, so dont be one, post in those threads (dont make new ones) and bump them with your own experiences and advice. Thats what I did becuase I couldn't find anything myself on release day .. on topic: Does seem mighty odd about that patch link though I agree but then there are mirrors of the actual 2 patch and also there is a known thing called "free will" .. you dont have to install it, you can read about the missing things so leave it, or install. Edited February 2, 2009 by GTAMonkey2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamerzworld Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 You know, people keep mentioning that Rockstar removed things, but yet I can't find any changes to the files that backs this up. More than likely it was just a screwed up line of code in the spawning system, rather than them being removed. But hey, who cares, guilty until proven innocent, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceedj Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Does seem mighty odd about that patch link though I agree but then there are mirrors of the actual 2 patch and also there is a known thing called "free will" .. you dont have to install it, you can read about the missing things so leave it, or install. I'm all for "free will", but that doesn't apply when MP requires an update. Also (this is a generalization, not necessarily directed at the poster I quoted), I find it particularly stunning how people that have been a member of this forum for about a month or so have somehow decided that THEY have the right to tell people how to respond on said forum. I'm actually not against democracy though. I'm against things I think are f*cking stupid. I think this is f*cking stupid. - Sweets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expiorer Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Is is our duty to post here. So R* can see that we are far more than 1%. If they admit that there are problems then we will wait silently until they fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrysis02 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 It also seems rather silly to remove the 1.0.2.0 patch since you now need that patch to play online. So if they have killed 1.0.2.0 they have effectively killed off MP for anyone that buys the game at the moment. Rockstar have never been known for their up to date websites. This just smells like a cock up by them rather than something they did "intentionally". Yeah,it might be true,but how many "cock ups" can they afford? 1#Releasing the game in such a poor state 2#Hot Dog vendors and other things in the game world went missing 3#Clock tower and other left out(or bugged?)things(console versions have it) 4#Crashes because of patching 5#Independence FM troubles(Stops working sometimes) 6#Flickering shadows,textures if the options are turned down to medium/low 7#Pedestrains disappear from cars if they're 30-40ft away from the player 8#Patch disappeared or pulled back There still might be something that i missed. Almost the same thing happened when S.T.A.L.K.E.R.:Clear Sky got released.The game was in a horrible state on day 1 and even a few patches later it had some trouble.THQ later fired the beta testers and some staff members too.Now I'm not saying that RockStar should fire someone,because than the game would never be fixed.But,if they keep this up,every patch is going to be a disaster.If i would "cock up" so many times during work like these guys,i wouldn't have a job.Will this go on like this forever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 You know, people keep mentioning that Rockstar removed things, but yet I can't find any changes to the files that backs this up. More than likely it was just a screwed up line of code in the spawning system, rather than them being removed. But hey, who cares, guilty until proven innocent, right? IMO, nothing was removed intentionally and everything is most probably a result of an error/bug call it what you will. But one has to ask himself, if R* is not to blame for this error, who is? This is an open and shut case, no need to go to trial and waste good tax payers money. Let'em settle outside the court If it was "only" a crappy patch I could understand, but come on, do they have some testers? And why the hell did that patch stay at MS for a month? Did anyone even look at it? This whole ordeal is getting more amusing by the minute. At first I was a bit angry, but now I'm just sorry. OK, they got my money, but you know how the saying goes - fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrysis02 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 IMO, nothing was removed intentionally and everything is most probably a result of an error/bug call it what you will. But one has to ask himself, if R* is not to blame for this error, who is? LOL,blame Canada? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 IMO, nothing was removed intentionally and everything is most probably a result of an error/bug call it what you will. But one has to ask himself, if R* is not to blame for this error, who is? LOL,blame Canada? Or even better, like in a standard Hollywood movie, blame the terrorists. They supposedly stormed R*'s HQ and did various funky stuff with the code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punisher.ita Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Rockstar is funny. If I hadn't paid for the game perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodooman Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 sorry 4 offtop but my 2 cents about STALKER because i can see here huge mistake: 1) THQ cannot hire any staff memebers to develope STALKER because its not developed by THQ, its developed by independent Ukrainian-Russian (i prefer to call it ex-USSR) team GCS game world and THQ have no influence and no rights to hire and fire any staff of that team of developers... 2) THQ is just third party publisher (one of many including 1C) who released original STALKER, but no CLEAR SKY! THQ have used some internal little amount of testers during production of original stalker and just reported and suggested to fix some bugs and change some things to GCS, but final decision was always after GSC, because this game inst THQ`s game, its GSC`s game that changed many publishers during production) And CLEAR SKY was developed without any THQ testers and stuff, and THQ never released Clear Sky. 3) due the facts mentioned in 1 and 2 your words "THQ later fired the beta testers and some staff members too" is real bluff and just product of your imagination that coming out of your head... in other words its just a lie. Please stop lying or disinforming peoples ) as about "cock ups" R* torront made... well, there are much more of them than u mentioned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nillansan Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I sincerely doubt that. There was probably a server backup restored or something that didn't have the patch logged... you know, sh*t like that does happen online Rockstar wouldn't do that man, especially not after all of the 1% being so loud online. Yes, it truly is only 1%, the others don't count because they have laptops, do not meet the requirements, stole the game, or suffer user/operator error or bad environment setup... Pirated windows is enough to make someone irrelevant on GFW... And... hmmm... has anyone, like... mailed them? lol. Maybe they will send you a baseball bat for giving them the heads up... That's quite a statement. Provide source please. Have you even taken your time to check other forums? Even several reviewers stated that this is a lazy port. And indeed it is. Missing objects and displays that aren't working is not acceptable, as some other member said, GTA is all about immersion. It's funny I just checked the screenies on my GTA IV box cover, and in the screenshot of Star Junction the displays are actually displaying what it is supposed to (as seen in the XBox 360/PS 3 versions), but oh well the screenshots are also smothered in AA, so I guess it's just another example proving that box art is not representative of the actual product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 but oh well the screenshots are also smothered in AA, so I guess it's just another example proving that box art is not representative of the actual product. I don't think it's AA, those screenies have been made at high res so they're smooth as silk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrysis02 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) sorry 4 offtop but my 2 cents about STALKER because i can see here huge mistake: 1) THQ cannot hire any staff memebers to develope STALKER because its not developed by THQ, its developed by independent Ukrainian-Russian (i prefer to call it ex-USSR) team GCS game world and THQ have no influence and no rights to hire and fire any staff of that team of developers... 2) THQ is just third party publisher (one of many including 1C) who released original STALKER, but no CLEAR SKY! THQ have used some internal little amount of testers during production of original stalker and just reported and suggested to fix some bugs and change some things to GCS, but final decision was always after GSC, because this game inst THQ`s game, its GSC`s game that changed many publishers during production) And CLEAR SKY was developed without any THQ testers and stuff, and THQ never released Clear Sky. 3) due the facts mentioned in 1 and 2 your words "THQ later fired the beta testers and some staff members too" is real bluff and just product of your imagination that coming out of your head... in other words its just a lie. Please stop lying or disinforming peoples ) as about "cock ups" R* torront made... well, there are much more of them than u mentioned) Yes i mixed up a Publisher with a developer.GSC Game World actually developed Clear Sky.But that doesn't necesseraly mean that i lied if i mixed something up.I heard heads were flying because of the poor state the game was in.I actually pre-ordered it because Shadow of Chernobyl was great.And as the player character awoke,the game crashed...you can believe me,i wasn't happy.Even my monitor refused to run the game without the first patch. "According to Don Reba, the head moderator on GSC's forums who has contacts inside the company, the project manager was recently fired for allowing the game to be released with so many bugs." Edited February 2, 2009 by Dcrysis02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horror Is Alive Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 There is a DIRECT LINK to the 1.0.2.0 patch in my sig if anyone wants it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In_da_Houser=-420* Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 No need to panic, I meen it cant get any worse right? I´m sure it will come a decent patch very soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArecBalrin Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 People have the right to complain if the product they purchased has broken parts that have not been fixed. It's just funny the amount of people defending Rockstar. They really can't come up with any good reason to defend them. They can say "Can't you just be happy with a patch 2" or stuff like "Stop complaining" etc., but in the end, the consumer is always right-- give us polished products. except arec didnt purchase anything yet, right? I've explained repeatedly my reasons for posting on the forum in other threads where Charlie has had a presence. He's well-aware of them but continues to feign ignorance because I tend to leave a thread only after it descends to gutter-level discussion. I've been here regulary because I wanted to buy GTA IV but had deep reservations because of the state of Bully on PC(it still has not been patched and now no longer appears to supported at all going by the time it was since I sent them my dxdiag in december and have recieved no reply). I've been trying to get an accurate picture of how troubled the game is(I am already aware of how good it is) but this has been hampered at every turn by angry fanboys that treat any complaint about the game like it was a direct physical threat on their mothers. Getting accurate information has been almost impossible. I thought getting info from current players would be easier than it has been getting it from Rockstar but this hasn't really been the case much so far. In the end what has now got me to purchase the game is the Rockstar collection being included in the Steam weekend deal. Every R* game including GTA IV for £39 seemed too good to be true so I bit the bullet and went for it. So now I do have GTA IV and just need to download it. I'm no longer in the position I was in before except that I'm still hoping for a performance-focused patch, aswell as some proper answers for what has been possibly the most atrocious release for a high-profile game in gaming history. Sorry mate but my I help out here. The only way you will get "a better picture" is to go out purchase the game and then install it and use it. If I read this site without getting the game I would probably think GTA's world was about to cave in and everyone on the planet hated it to death and I might suck 1fps out of it. In actual fact I got it on release day and tested the sh*t out of it (check my tweaks thread link in sig) "helped" by making threads relative to this to feed back balanced info on why and what could "help". You seem to want to justify you position by jumping on the "fanboy" blame bandwaggon but are failing to see that you are using this forum seeking all the negatives, repeating the negatives in turn not helping others reading here for info .. who in turn seeing the negatives .. and so on and so forth. You have this massive assumption that people who like it are blindsighted and dont acknowledge the faults. This game sure as sh*t has faults, IT IS WELL KNOWN, I know it, charlie knows it, most people do. But, we own it and have it working well, when it doesn't we report it constructively, allot of people find the faults ONLY post the faults and then explain it badly with "R* are sh*t" etc tagged onto it. You have simply picked up that vibe with guesswork and then proceeded to continue that procedure on second hand knowledge, which as charlie and others have said makes your points null and void. Im not on your case as such, and everyone is free to post but maybe you should take a few steps back and see that your "them and us" thinking is a waste of energy and time for not just others but maybe yourself too. Once you get it, seek out the tweak threads and add to them, you think this site didnt help you .. well if it wasnt for the bitchers it might of done, so dont be one, post in those threads (dont make new ones) and bump them with your own experiences and advice. Thats what I did becuase I couldn't find anything myself on release day .. on topic: Does seem mighty odd about that patch link though I agree but then there are mirrors of the actual 2 patch and also there is a known thing called "free will" .. you dont have to install it, you can read about the missing things so leave it, or install. Sorry but I can't even work out what you're trying to say and gave up as soon as my gaze crashed into the bloody unspecified wreck of the false positive/negative diochotomy. I focus on the 'negative' because I'm not looking for the 'positive' because the 'positive' will tell me nothing that I need to know. But I'm also not looking for emotive whines about the game because they're uninformative. It is not impossible to get a good idea about how well the game works without purchasing it, I do not consider purchase to be 'the best' way and neither does anyone else who bothers reading any reviews before purchase. If I have to buy a game to find out if it's worth buying; especially when those I purchase from make every attempt to deny me my statutory right to a refund regardless of how in breach of the law this common policy is, then I'm an under-served customer that has absolutely no moral obligation to pay for a legitimate copy simply for testing in the first place. It's precisely because there's a horde of idiots that either say the game is near-perfect or near-disasterous that I have to be pro-active in finding faults. I don't see how I'm jumping on any bandwagon as so far I'm the only person that has actually pointed out that there is a such thing as a Malignant Militia in online games communities who have no arguement to make so attempt to 'win' by sheer numbers, except they are an extreme minority, so they do what they can to shut up any dissent. They often do this with the full unofficial backing of the mods who turn a blind-eye. As soon as you answer back as equal as you recieve, you're banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrg3dit2002 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 u all need to smoke some weed play gta4 and chill-people be bitchen to much!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodooman Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Get all the gta 4 patches here http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=395825 thread called "ALL THE PATCHES AND DETAILS ABOUT THEM" there u can also find out which files was updated\removed\added with every patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p7ast1k Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 the 1.0.2.0 patch is back http://www.rockstargames.com/support/IV/PC/patch/index.html edit: lol too slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelman Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Thanks for pointing that out. Looks like the webteam changed the link by mistake when they performed an edit to that page. It has been restored now. I PM'd them And that ends yet another wonderfully constructive bitchfest from people who haven't bought the game discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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