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Ilovevicecity324

Ok, so does Claude kill maria?

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Superguy361

Its up to the player to what happened.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lets close this topic now.... if not.... this topic will go like this....

 

 

:karmaeater: Player: NO IT WENT LIKE DIS BLAH BLAH BLAH

:miranda: Admin: THIS TOPIC IS GOING CRAZY!! ALL OF YOU TAKE THIS!!! :miranda: :miranda: :miranda: :miranda: :miranda:

 

:panic: Player: NO PLZ ROCKSTAR HELP USSSSSS :r*: :r*: :r*: :r*: :r*:

:yawn: Random Cat: TROLLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOOOLLLLLLLL :catloaf: :catloaf: :catloaf: I AM ROCKSTAR/R*

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rockingMINES

I guess the gun is let off by mistake....

 

i dont think he loved her....did he guys???

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crashoverride93

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Whether someone claims he did or didn't...proof would be needed. Therefore, it's impossible to answer one way or another...since it's not a full cutscene, and even evidence one way or another is non-existant.

 

I should mention that you can have Maria show up after the credits have rolled if you choose to. Just have the two of you close to a vehicle's passenger door as you take a shot at the chopper. If you enter the vehicle before the rocket actually hits it's target, there is just enough time for Maria to get in the passenger seat. After the credits, the vehicle is teleported back to the Shoreside safehouse...and Maria will exit and walk in a random direction (often toward the rear of the garage) until she's out of draw distance.

 

This too is not evidence to say that he didn't...just an interesting trick supplied by the game engine.

I must say this is interesting I have never known this before

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crashoverride93

I have a idea about this that I never checked but its possible cutscenes are not checked but I would say right after the helicopter goes down try to pause the game before the cutscene and check people wasted stat both by you and others and get their amounts then check tgem again after and see if one kill was added to one of them that may give a clue.

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Claude98

No i think it was a warning shot to shut her up i mean it makes no sense for claude to kill her yeah i mean he would not care if he had to but i think he just warned her

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captain jack sparrow

if it was just a warning shot then maria would scream or something maybe it did killed her but i don't think so cause catalina was with  claude for 9 years and claude did not shot her anoying ass maybe it was just a warning shot and maybe maria lived with claude in that big safehouse you get when you unlock the third island

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Cjrememberthat
4 hours ago, captain jack sparrow said:

if it was just a warning shot then maria would scream or something maybe it did killed her but i don't think so cause catalina was with  claude for 9 years and claude did not shot her anoying ass maybe it was just a warning shot and maybe maria lived with claude in that big safehouse you get when you unlock the third island

Maybe Maria just got scared with the shot and shut the f*ck up(didn't even scream), or she screamed but game finished for real and we ain't even heard that

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aint this sh*t old anymore? We'll never get to know that and enough

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Evil empire

Rockstar probably didn't know the reaction the players would have about Maria and what to do with her in a sequel so they better had to leave all the possibilities open. With the ambiguous ending GTA 3 offers Rockstar could as well make Maria die in a sequel, turn her into an antagonist etc, I think it's all there's to know.

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blaze

It's been discussed a million times with a million outcomes but for the sake of continuity I'll chuck my two cents in. Initially I was going to give a sarcastic reply based on why Claude would give up 500k just to get Maria back, have a shootout with the Colombian cartel before proceeding to destroy a f*cking helicopter to then kill the woman he just saved - and then it hit me that (in my opinion) all of Claude's actions in the game are a means to an end, that end being killing Catalina. He has no specific ties, affiliations or obligations to anyone throughout the game and will work for anyone in his quest for revenge. Salvatore treat Claude well up until trying to kill him (which was Maria's fault) at whichpoint Claude kills him to gain acceptance with the Yakuza and further his cause, Kenji whilst being a little blunt was impressed with Claude's skills and paid him well yet Claude has no qualms killing him to impress Donald Love, again to further his cause. With that in mind, is him shooting Maria really that far out of the realm of possibility? She refers to him as Fido ie a dogs name giving the implication he's little more than a play thing, tells Salvatore they're an item nearly costing Claude his life, plus lets face it if you just single handedly disbanded the f*cking Colombian Cartel and the woman you save is moaning about her hair I wouldn't blame him for shooting her either.

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13 minutes ago, blaze said:

It's been discussed a million times with a million outcomes but for the sake of continuity I'll chuck my two cents in. Initially I was going to give a sarcastic reply based on why Claude would give up 500k just to get Maria back, have a shootout with the Colombian cartel before proceeding to destroy a f*cking helicopter to then kill the woman he just saved - and then it hit me that (in my opinion) all of Claude's actions in the game are a means to an end, that end being killing Catalina. He has no specific ties, affiliations or obligations to anyone throughout the game and will work for anyone in his quest for revenge. Salvatore treat Claude well up until trying to kill him (which was Maria's fault) at whichpoint Claude kills him to gain acceptance with the Yakuza and further his cause, Kenji whilst being a little blunt was impressed with Claude's skills and paid him well yet Claude has no qualms killing him to impress Donald Love, again to further his cause. With that in mind, is him shooting Maria really that far out of the realm of possibility? She refers to him as Fido ie a dogs name giving the implication he's little more than a play thing, tells Salvatore they're an item nearly costing Claude his life, plus lets face it if you just single handedly disbanded the f*cking Colombian Cartel and the woman you save is moaning about her hair I wouldn't blame him for shooting her either.

I was about to comment this, but you explained it way more developed. Yeah, Claude only pays money to get to Catalina and he has killed more than one time people that were alledgedly allies or friends so I think he just got rid of Maria.

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LCLegend

I would like to say yes, Claude did kill Maria. If you’ve noticed throughout the story, pretty much every major mission giver and major character leaves you in some way with the exception being Maria. Claude shooting Maria pretty much ties all the loose ends together and completes the story. It would just seem fitting for this to be the ending.

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blaze

^ I forgot to also mention that yeah, Maria is essentially the only viable witness to the whole thing 😛

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captain jack sparrow
On 6/12/2019 at 11:03 PM, blaze said:

It's been discussed a million times with a million outcomes but for the sake of continuity I'll chuck my two cents in. Initially I was going to give a sarcastic reply based on why Claude would give up 500k just to get Maria back, have a shootout with the Colombian cartel before proceeding to destroy a f*cking helicopter to then kill the woman he just saved - and then it hit me that (in my opinion) all of Claude's actions in the game are a means to an end, that end being killing Catalina. He has no specific ties, affiliations or obligations to anyone throughout the game and will work for anyone in his quest for revenge. Salvatore treat Claude well up until trying to kill him (which was Maria's fault) at whichpoint Claude kills him to gain acceptance with the Yakuza and further his cause, Kenji whilst being a little blunt was impressed with Claude's skills and paid him well yet Claude has no qualms killing him to impress Donald Love, again to further his cause. With that in mind, is him shooting Maria really that far out of the realm of possibility? She refers to him as Fido ie a dogs name giving the implication he's little more than a play thing, tells Salvatore they're an item nearly costing Claude his life, plus lets face it if you just single handedly disbanded the f*cking Colombian Cartel and the woman you save is moaning about her hair I wouldn't blame him for shooting her either.

that makes a lot of sense 

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Copcaller

Probably did it to get her to stfu although if he was smart he'd kill her she was gonna rat on Salvatore to ned burner in exchange for cash

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Max.pain
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i don’t think claude would kill her in cold blood like that, it doesn’t suit his character and he saved her at the dam even though he didn’t need to. it was a shotgun sound. maybe someone else shot her or shot claude

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KarimNTerr

I just think it was a badass sound effect to end the amazing game it was with a bang!

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dent0nz
4 hours ago, toxluv said:

I just think it was a badass sound effect to end the amazing game it was with a bang!

Yeah, likewise.

 

It's just a strong sound effect for the credits roll. In the cutscene Claude didn't have any weapons, and we know in the cutscenes they draw the weapons realistically unlike ingame, so yeah...

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Casualplaya

As Maria can still be heard on the radio station lamenting about her new boyfriend after the game ends I'd say it's unlikely he killed her. After all her talking he might have much more likely killed himself 🤣

But I agree with what's been written: get her to shut up in that moment took a gunshot to... the dam, a car, a tree, a squirrel... who knows

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JRC99

Maybe there was one Cartel member who wasn't quite dead, and the gunshot was Claude making sure he was. 

 

That's my headcanon. 

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LC-DDM

I think the gunshot signaled the death of something, but not of Maria; or Claude. Rather, it's the death of Claude's motivation as a thug, professional or otherwise. I'm gonna get a little 'The Truth'-tier conspiracy theorist with a sh*tton of assumptions and headcanons, here, but bear with me on this, will ya? The TL;DR of it is Claude is going back into doing what he used to do in Fierro.

So, before anything, we need to start establishing a couple of things, and for that, we need to go back to the 90's, in San Andreas. Which, okay, it was made after GTAIII, but it wouldn't be -too- out of place. Besides, this is just for fun and probably isn't meant to be taken seriously. So anyway, when we first meet Claude all the way back in '92, he was a babyface mute asshole with a penchant for one thing; racing. He certainly seemed like the type to let the wheels - and the money - do the talking for him. That's potentially why Catalina sought after him, even while doing her business with Carl - He may have been a Families OG, but the Middle of f*cking Nowhere, surrounded by hills, trees, and a f*ckton of non-smokable grass, not to mention he was exiled from Santos - AND he was trying to get his sh*t together for himself, his sister and Cesar's sake? Safe to say Carl was out of his element. Now, Claude? He's likely been living in Fierro for quite some time, even if undetermined.

 

Considering the amount of side-missions, it's no secret that Fierro has an Underground racing league, of sorts, which - based on Claude's appearance in the first racing mission with Woozie in the countryside - can be assumed that our 'Fido' had been taking part of for quite some time, now. Now, the thing is, we have no idea how long Claude's been living in Fierro, but I'd say that it's been long enough for him to guarantee a good amount of skills as a wheelman as well as some amount of reputation for fixing up cars - he had the run-down garage Carl had been given, after all.

 

So, for the sake of clarity, let's assume that Claude's always participated in every race you've seen in SA, around the countryside area. And, assuming again that he's been racing before Carl left Santos at the least, establishes him as a mute gearhead and racer who's one passion is cars. That is, until Catalina comes in. At some point in the timeline, Catalina two-times Carl with Claude, who - at least in her eyes - sees 'Fido' as more of a killer, someone with the untapped potential to be just as if not more unhinged than her, which is not seen in CJ - considering that, unlike Claude, CJ has family, loved ones to care about who he wants to see be well before himself. It wouldn't be farfetched to say Catalina's family relationship with Cesar is... strained, to a degree.

 

So naturally, Cat's seeing Carl and Claude at the same time, and eventually picks our olive-pants friend as a future business - and pleasure - partner. From what we then know, Claude hands the deed to the garage to CJ, takes off with Cat to Liberty, and thus begins a ten-year-long partnership (Which may or may not have already started a year before CJ ever came into play), where the duo perform all kinds of nefarious deeds together throughout all of Mainland Liberty. Eventually, their relationship degrades enough that Catalina starts the game with a gunshot - one to Claude - stating that she's an 'ambitious girl'; she'd likely found herself with something else to get even richer even quicker.

 

From here, we know what the rest of Claude's life will be, since... well, we're playing it, right up until the end. He's starting anew on a place he hasn't been in yet - Liberty City - and, for some time at least, he's living his own life, climbing back up the food chain inch by inch. But, once Catalina comes back into his life, it all changes into one goal - get back at the woman who had betrayed him, no matter what. Maria? Collateral at best, but also a girl who seemed to have her head screwed on straight, at least when it came to violence. Maybe because they seemed so opposite in tastes is what brought them together?

 

In any case, once Claude had exacted his revenge, that was it. He had nothing else in Liberty he could do. Sure, he could go back to the life he led with Catalina, but that would've been more trouble than it was worth - and since he was all but barred from entering Portland, it wouldn't be farfetched to say he'd make a new life for himself in Wichita Gardens. The ending gunshot? Maybe not a warning shot at Maria, maybe not a kill shot towards Maria; maybe it was killing one last mook; maybe it was just a celebratory gunshot upwards. The point is, it was a bookend, marking his 'death' as Catalina's lackey; as being part of Catalina's story. He was his own man. Maria's rants, if annoying, were fairly harmless. He could go back to doing things the way he did in Fierro - a garage he could call his own, to repair vehicles, and a city he knew well enough to race in. Bright side? He had a girl for himself who liked him for him rather than his money, and whose high was more on drugs than wanton violence. He cut off the Mafia serpent's head in assassinating Salvatore; and with his onslaught in mind, they'd think twice about messing with him. Yeah, things were lookin' up Claude's way.

But yeah, that's just a headcanon of mine. Or, as a certain minge on the internet says, JuSt A tHeOrY! a GaMe ThEoRy! ThAnKs FoR wAtChInG!! game%20theory.gif

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BayuSumardi
33 minutes ago, LC-DDM said:

I think the gunshot signaled the death of something, but not of Maria; or Claude. Rather, it's the death of Claude's motivation as a thug, professional or otherwise. I'm gonna get a little 'The Truth'-tier conspiracy theorist with a sh*tton of assumptions and headcanons, here, but bear with me on this, will ya? The TL;DR of it is Claude is going back into doing what he used to do in Fierro.

So, before anything, we need to start establishing a couple of things, and for that, we need to go back to the 90's, in San Andreas. Which, okay, it was made after GTAIII, but it wouldn't be -too- out of place. Besides, this is just for fun and probably isn't meant to be taken seriously. So anyway, when we first meet Claude all the way back in '92, he was a babyface mute asshole with a penchant for one thing; racing. He certainly seemed like the type to let the wheels - and the money - do the talking for him. That's potentially why Catalina sought after him, even while doing her business with Carl - He may have been a Families OG, but the Middle of f*cking Nowhere, surrounded by hills, trees, and a f*ckton of non-smokable grass, not to mention he was exiled from Santos - AND he was trying to get his sh*t together for himself, his sister and Cesar's sake? Safe to say Carl was out of his element. Now, Claude? He's likely been living in Fierro for quite some time, even if undetermined.

 

Considering the amount of side-missions, it's no secret that Fierro has an Underground racing league, of sorts, which - based on Claude's appearance in the first racing mission with Woozie in the countryside - can be assumed that our 'Fido' had been taking part of for quite some time, now. Now, the thing is, we have no idea how long Claude's been living in Fierro, but I'd say that it's been long enough for him to guarantee a good amount of skills as a wheelman as well as some amount of reputation for fixing up cars - he had the run-down garage Carl had been given, after all.

 

So, for the sake of clarity, let's assume that Claude's always participated in every race you've seen in SA, around the countryside area. And, assuming again that he's been racing before Carl left Santos at the least, establishes him as a mute gearhead and racer who's one passion is cars. That is, until Catalina comes in. At some point in the timeline, Catalina two-times Carl with Claude, who - at least in her eyes - sees 'Fido' as more of a killer, someone with the untapped potential to be just as if not more unhinged than her, which is not seen in CJ - considering that, unlike Claude, CJ has family, loved ones to care about who he wants to see be well before himself. It wouldn't be farfetched to say Catalina's family relationship with Cesar is... strained, to a degree.

 

So naturally, Cat's seeing Carl and Claude at the same time, and eventually picks our olive-pants friend as a future business - and pleasure - partner. From what we then know, Claude hands the deed to the garage to CJ, takes off with Cat to Liberty, and thus begins a ten-year-long partnership (Which may or may not have already started a year before CJ ever came into play), where the duo perform all kinds of nefarious deeds together throughout all of Mainland Liberty. Eventually, their relationship degrades enough that Catalina starts the game with a gunshot - one to Claude - stating that she's an 'ambitious girl'; she'd likely found herself with something else to get even richer even quicker.

 

From here, we know what the rest of Claude's life will be, since... well, we're playing it, right up until the end. He's starting anew on a place he hasn't been in yet - Liberty City - and, for some time at least, he's living his own life, climbing back up the food chain inch by inch. But, once Catalina comes back into his life, it all changes into one goal - get back at the woman who had betrayed him, no matter what. Maria? Collateral at best, but also a girl who seemed to have her head screwed on straight, at least when it came to violence. Maybe because they seemed so opposite in tastes is what brought them together?

 

In any case, once Claude had exacted his revenge, that was it. He had nothing else in Liberty he could do. Sure, he could go back to the life he led with Catalina, but that would've been more trouble than it was worth - and since he was all but barred from entering Portland, it wouldn't be farfetched to say he'd make a new life for himself in Wichita Gardens. The ending gunshot? Maybe not a warning shot at Maria, maybe not a kill shot towards Maria; maybe it was killing one last mook; maybe it was just a celebratory gunshot upwards. The point is, it was a bookend, marking his 'death' as Catalina's lackey; as being part of Catalina's story. He was his own man. Maria's rants, if annoying, were fairly harmless. He could go back to doing things the way he did in Fierro - a garage he could call his own, to repair vehicles, and a city he knew well enough to race in. Bright side? He had a girl for himself who liked him for him rather than his money, and whose high was more on drugs than wanton violence. He cut off the Mafia serpent's head in assassinating Salvatore; and with his onslaught in mind, they'd think twice about messing with him. Yeah, things were lookin' up Claude's way.

But yeah, that's just a headcanon of mine. Or, as a certain minge on the internet says, JuSt A tHeOrY! a GaMe ThEoRy! ThAnKs FoR wAtChInG!! game%20theory.gif

Man what an effort.
You could make a full-length game theory video out of this.

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