zmoonchild Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 If you haven’t done so already, then I suggest to everyone to send a Personal Message (PM) to Rockstar Toronto (Rockstar Games Technical Support) stating that we would like them to investigate this matter, and to let us know when it will be corrected. Hopefully, if more people send them a message, then they’ll correct the problem sooner. Just click here >>>>>>> <<<<<<< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Spamming Rockstar Toronto's inbox on here is going to do nothing but make them turn off pm's (which they can do if they already haven't). They are aware of the situation, they have even STATED that they are aware of it, so there is no need to harass them. You just need to show a bit of patience, there are still plenty of hotdog vendors around and plenty of restaurants that you can use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmoonchild Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) Spamming Rockstar Toronto's inbox on here is going to do nothing but make them turn off pm's (which they can do if they already haven't). It's not spamming if it's an issue that several people want corrected. It’s a way of giving them an idea as to how many people want this resolved. They are aware of the situation, they have even STATED that they are aware of it, so there is no need to harass them. Cool… where did they state that? Was it on another topic? I didn’t see it. Plus, I don't see how that's harassment. I sent them one message, and one message only. Harassment would be more than one message from the same individual. You just need to show a bit of patience, there are still plenty of hotdog vendors around and plenty of restaurants that you can use. True, but I can’t make any more videos until they fix it; I don’t want the visual aspects to be different. I have several people that watch my videos. Edited January 30, 2009 by zmoonchild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrysis02 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Spamming Rockstar Toronto's inbox on here is going to do nothing but make them turn off pm's (which they can do if they already haven't). They are aware of the situation, they have even STATED that they are aware of it, so there is no need to harass them. You just need to show a bit of patience, there are still plenty of hotdog vendors around and plenty of restaurants that you can use. Where?Link?Sorry,it's a reflex.I only saw the post where technical support stated that the ingame PC bug is caused by the copy protection they implemented into the patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWEETSAPRIK Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Where?Link?Sorry,it's a reflex.I only saw the post where technical support stated that the ingame PC bug is caused by the copy protection they implemented into the patch. http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058915409 PяopagaиdaIиc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Do you people think I lie on here or something ? I wouldn't have said "Rockstar are aware of the issue" if I hadn't seen them damn well say it :- Yes we are looking into the missing hot dog vendors. There are vendors/peds that only appear during certain times of day or when other conditions are met, are ALL the vendors gone in your game or only some? source So as you can see they are AWARE of the issue and having dozens of people spamming their pm box is not going to solve anything. Rockstar Toronto has access to exactly the same areas as everyone here has, they can see our posts and they read our posts. There is no need to clog up Rockstars inbox with stuff they already know. Dcrysis02 for the 200th time, not being able to use the internet cafe is an anti piracy measure. The missing objects in the game are a "f*ck up" it occurs even if you have the legitimate version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrysis02 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Where?Link?Sorry,it's a reflex.I only saw the post where technical support stated that the ingame PC bug is caused by the copy protection they implemented into the patch. http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058915409 Thanks for the link.WOW.They really f**ked up.But i still think this: Well,after a bit of thinking,i think i will mail RockStar.Not to complain.I'll just link an article to the letter maybe they'll read it.I want to send them this: http://translate.google.com/translate?prev...%2F&sl=de&tl=en If someone want's to read it,i recommend Google Translate.It shows how a patch is made behind the scenes.Surely the didn't do this at RockStar: Phase 3: ".....Once the team is satisfied with the list and the improvements,the update goes through an internal testing process to ensure that none of the fixes has caused a new bug.This process is associated with Phase 2.If further errors occur,use the previously mentioned points again,and Phase 3. will begin anew...." Hope they will read it. http://www.pcgames.de/aid,673364/Blick_hin...Special/?page=2 Phase 3 obviously never happened by R*.I know that this is Activions testing but i agree with it.This is the way it should be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelated Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I hope they work long and hard on this next (Last?) patch before releasing it full of more bugs. It's counterproductive to release a patch that introduces more bugs. I can wait since this last patch has definitely made a difference. No sense in releasing a patch every month till the problems are fixed. Just take your time TEST it thoroughly and then release it. Also this has to be some kind of record for Rockstar, they never release patches and especially not two of them so close together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrysis02 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Dcrysis02 for the 200th time, not being able to use the internet cafe is an anti piracy measure. The missing objects in the game are a "f*ck up" it occurs even if you have the legitimate version. Geee Charlie,you don't say.I guess you didn't see this: "I only saw the post where technical support stated that the ingame PC bug is caused by the copy protection they implemented into the patch." So knock it off okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girish Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 "I only saw the post where technical support stated that the ingame PC bug is caused by the copy protection they implemented into the patch." There's a flaw in your statement. It's not a bug; it's something that has been implemented through the patch intentionally. A bug is something that occurs unintentionally due to coding errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Please link me to the post then because I have been through all of Rockstar Toronto's posts on here and NOT ONCE have they said that "the missing hotdog vendors is related to any anti piracy measure". They have clearly stated several times the inability to use the computers in the cafes is an anti piracy measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrysis02 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 "I only saw the post where technical support stated that the ingame PC bug is caused by the copy protection they implemented into the patch." There's a flaw in your statement. It's not a bug; it's something that has been implemented through the patch intentionally. A bug is something that occurs unintentionally due to coding errors. Still it shows that i am aware that it's an anti-piracy measure so he didn't need to tell me that.But yes,it's flawed,thank you for bringing that to my attention. CC wrote: "Please link me to the post then because I have been through all of Rockstar Toronto's posts on here and NOT ONCE have they said that "the missing hotdog vendors is related to any anti piracy measure". They have clearly stated several times the inability to use the computers in the cafes is an anti piracy measure." "Dcrysis02 for the 200th time, not being able to use the internet cafe is an anti piracy measure. The missing objects in the game are a "f*ck up" it occurs even if you have the legitimate version." Geee Charlie,you don't say.I guess you didn't see this: "I only saw the post where technical support stated that the ingame PC bug is caused by the copy protection they implemented into the patch." So knock it off okay? Where did i say that the missing vendors are related to anti-piracy measures?I said that i am aware that the ingame PC "bug"is caused by protection they implemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Ok then so what "ingame" PC bug are you referring too then ? I mean since this topic is about the missing hotdog vendors what other bug could you be talking about ? I think it is only fair to assume when you say something like :- I only saw the post where technical support stated that the ingame PC bug is caused by the copy protection they implemented into the patch. it means you are referring to the bug that the topic is about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrysis02 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Ok then so what "ingame" PC bug are you referring too then ? I mean since this topic is about the missing hotdog vendors what other bug could you be talking about ? I think it is only fair to assume when you say something like :- I only saw the post where technical support stated that the ingame PC bug is caused by the copy protection they implemented into the patch. it means you are referring to the bug that the topic is about You wrote: " Spamming Rockstar Toronto's inbox on here is going to do nothing but make them turn off pm's (which they can do if they already haven't). They are aware of the situation, they have even STATED that they are aware of it, so there is no need to harass them. You just need to show a bit of patience, there are still plenty of hotdog vendors around and plenty of restaurants that you can use." I asked: "Where?Link?Sorry,it's a reflex.I only saw the post where technical support stated that the ingame PC bug is caused by the copy protection they implemented into the patch." Ingame PC bug.INGAME you know,the problem what pirates are experiencing.They can't use the INGAME PC's. I said i only saw that post in which technical support stated that the problem is caused by the protection they implemented in the second patch.And i didn't saw the other statement where they said they know about the missing vendors and they're working on it.And that they didn't remove them intentionally.You know,the one you and the other mod(or admin)linked to me.After that i said: "Thanks for the link.WOW.They really f**ked up." I never said that the vendors are gone because the protection made them dissappear.I said that i thought R* removed them on purpose to make the game less demanding. It's funny that you thought i was talking about that.YOU linked me that other post so you knew what was at the beginning of our conversation.Oh well,it's late after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shof Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 Considering this topic has gone too far from what i originally intended to be and have to be beaten to death by various off topic madness, i guess its time to request a helpful lock to prevent any other people not letting this die and prevent the off topic ness mess to continue *hugs charlie for the hard work* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrysis02 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Considering this topic has gone too far from what i originally intended to be and have to be beaten to death by various off topic madness, i guess its time to request a helpful lock to prevent any other people not letting this die and prevent the off topic ness mess to continue *hugs charlie for the hard work* No need for that.They can delete my messages at any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Well I don't want to derail the thread or anything, aside from other the top reactions too this it is an important issue to keep alive. It isn't on that we should have to settle for missing objects in the game (I have every faith that Rockstar will rectify this). However till the situation is rectified perhaps we could do something useful like collate what is missing from the game. I know it isn't just hotdog stands missing, it might even be useful for us to plot where these missing objects are on the liberty city map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livilaNic Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Shof you up to the task? Just edit your first post and post screens from this topic and the bugs topic. From whatever you can find and update it as much as you can. If you feel like it you could even mark each place on a map if you so choose. Would be nice to have it all in one place though. Instead of having to look through the whole topic and what not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 The missing items probably haven't been removed to improve performance as they will achieve next to nothing in doing so. Some ide/ipl files will have been altered as well as the mission scripting, which will more than likely deal with the vendors like it did in SA. These have either been mistakenly swapped or have been changed on purpose. The only reasons I can think of for changing them on purpose is to offset current memory addresses to try and set modding back a little and stop MP cheaters. The memory adress changes has been noted and allready adapted for by the IV mod tool authors, so this is known and they may also have been freeing up memory addresses for future DLC. But that is mere speculation on my behalf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamesguru Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I think this was the same for MP prior the patch. One of the pics (that I believe Sweets posted) was at the Alderny Maverick spawn and it had benches and some railings missing. Funnily enough, I was in that spot on MP last night (on the Xbox 360) and they aren't there. Just thought I'd highlight that it (the patch) probably decreases the quality to the point that it does for when you play MP, to improve performance (like pre-release previews revealed during the release of the console version). Is there any slight graphical drawbacks like MP as well? Sorry if anything like this has already been highlighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 It's funny you should mention that but during online ranked racing the streets are pretty barren, many of the every day objects you see in the SP are not in the MP levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelated Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) Well they for sure did something along the lines of editing\updating certain textures because I had the "Real Car Names" mod installed (in the American.gxt file) and it was overwritten by the second patch. I don't know what exactly they did seeing as they only told us about the major changes in the patch note, nothing about updating textures. It will be interesting to see what it was that happened to remove certain objects and debris, if they let us know once they fix it that is. Edited January 31, 2009 by Pixelated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livilaNic Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) Well I broke down and reinstalled to vanilla no patches at all... The ticker's and clocktower (related to this topic) do not work in vanilla, they never did apparently. The rest of the objects came back obviously. Examples: Edited January 31, 2009 by livilaNic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GODzillaGSPB Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I should really erase my subscription of this topic, because the longer I read, the more frustrated I get. On the one hand the latest patch improved my performance and made it possible to "fine tune" the graphics of the game. On the other hand...well THIS. -.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Well you saved me a job I guess it was to be expected that the missing bits and bobs would come back, but it is a bit sh*tty that they never had the clock or ticker tapes working. I have been a pretty hefty defender of GTA 4 but even I find this disappointing. One of the key things about liberty city is the details well it looks like they raped all the details out of the PC version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livilaNic Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Well you saved me a job I guess it was to be expected that the missing bits and bobs would come back, but it is a bit sh*tty that they never had the clock or ticker tapes working. I have been a pretty hefty defender of GTA 4 but even I find this disappointing. One of the key things about liberty city is the details well it looks like they raped all the details out of the PC version. Seems so, I'm a sad panda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frost_Bob Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Thank's livilaNic, I was thinking about that, re-install the game stay, ver 1.0. Cause in the finally what make me able to play GTA 4 on my pc was the new ( now old) driver of ATI. (8.12 and now 9.1). Still my game play FPS is still crap 15-18 but at least everything will be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livilaNic Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Thank's livilaNic, I was thinking about that, re-install the game stay, ver 1.0. Cause in the finally what make me able to play GTA 4 on my pc was the new ( now old) driver of ATI. (8.12 and now 9.1). Still my game play FPS is still crap 15-18 but at least everything will be there. No problem. Sucks your only getting 15-18 FPS, but guess them's the breaks. I'll be staying at vanilla until a patch is released with something specific to my need's. Otherwise they can keep their stinkin' patches. Not that the patches aren't appreciated, but I never needed a patch. My game ran through completion without one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmoonchild Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) Not that the patches aren't appreciated, but I never needed a patch. My game ran through completion without one. Same here... there was only one correction that the first patch made for my game, it allowed me to bowl... my frames rates still fluctuate between 15 and 50, with an average of about 25-30… there’s no reason to install patches if they’re not helping me…the patches are just taking things away from my game. So as you can see they are AWARE of the issue and having dozens of people spamming their pm box is not going to solve anything. Rockstar Toronto has access to exactly the same areas as everyone here has, they can see our posts and they read our posts. There is no need to clog up Rockstars inbox with stuff they already know. relax dude… We all want this problem to be taken care of. Referring to our requests as spam is a little uncalled for. Yes, you have proven to us that Rockstar is aware of the problem, and we’re very proud of you for finding that tidbit of information. Do us a favor though and respect other comments (such as mine) by not belittling them and perverting them into something that they’re not. We are not “spamming” Rockstar, and we are not “clogging up” their inbox. You're using those terms to downplay what I was trying get across. Contacting Rockstar is not spamming… spamming refers to unwanted e-mails, messages, etc that are being sent to Rockstar… Why would Rockstar not want these messages? They’re trying to resolve issues, so they want messages to help them accomplish that task. If you don't want someone to contact Rockstar, then simply state it that way... that's all. Edited February 2, 2009 by zmoonchild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmstrongII Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Well I broke down and reinstalled to vanilla no patches at all... The ticker's and clocktower (related to this topic) do not work in vanilla, they never did apparently. The rest of the objects came back obviously. I installed the patch v1.0.2.0 the new one, before this patch was installed on my computer gta 4 would play with an average fps of 35 to 45. and now my game plays around 10 to 20 and randomally goes to 2 to 5 frames a second and then crashes. "livilaNic" when you reinstalled gta 4 with version 1 could you still use your old savegame files from the newer patch (v1.0.2.1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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