OabAli Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Wow i bow to your pr0-ness There was me actually playing the game and not worrying about having less crap to crash into. The shame. I have finshed story mode and now I try the minigames, races and play just for fun like I did with every other GTA until the next part came out. But Liberty City isn't a living and breathing city anymore after the patch. It feels slightly empty and sterile now. So what are u saying, that a couple of missing hot dog stands, cones, and newspaper stands drastically affects the believeability of Liberty City? OMFG that's sad. Maybe I did notice some cones (end of Algonquin-Alderney tunnel) and construction sites (Dukes-Bohan Bridge) missing, but I didn't throw a bi+ch fit about it. These missing things did not affect me whatsoever, not the believeability, not my frequent rampages, not the storyline, nothing! I didn't even notice anything missing until I read this post. They are just hot dog stands and stuff you can crash into. There are many, many more fun things to do! Enjoy the extra FPS too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWEETSAPRIK Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I just noticed that one of the benches that's missing is the one Badman is sitting on when he spawns for his random character mission. Has anyone seen how that works? Is he just squatting in midair? Does the bench show in the cutscene? Does he still show up at all? I can't check myself as I'd already done that mission before this patch. PяopagaиdaIиc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livilaNic Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) I just noticed that one of the benches that's missing is the one Badman is sitting on when he spawns for his random character mission. Has anyone seen how that works? Is he just squatting in midair? Does the bench show in the cutscene? Does he still show up at all? I can't check myself as I'd already done that mission before this patch. Thought I did it, but I guess not...lol. He's sitting there hanging out. Went there after I did it and the bench is gone. Could have sworn there were more benches and he was on a different one. Edited January 30, 2009 by livilaNic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWEETSAPRIK Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Nice, thanks for satisfying my curiosity. PяopagaиdaIиc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frost_Bob Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 The staircase to go up that building is gone to! I use to go pick that healthpack often .... Now how do i go up there ?!?! without a heli ! http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k298/bromulateur/error.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livilaNic Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Nice, thanks for satisfying my curiosity. No problem man. @Frost_Bob That suck's. I remember I used that building on the Revenge mission, so that I could snipe the guys on the tanker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro_PT Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 When you're doing that mission for Ivan (one of the random characters) you go to a alleyway to help him fight some guys. Before the patch there was a stair on the side of a building, and a guy with a shotgun would spawn there. Today I did that mission, after the patch was applied) and the stair is not there anymore, so the guy spawns on the ground. The problem is, he spawns in the middle of a wall and the building, which makes it impossible for Niko to kill. If I climb the wall, he'll shoot me and kill me (he has a shotgun). Only way is to throw a grenade... I don't know why there are tons of objects missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livilaNic Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 When you're doing that mission for Ivan (one of the random characters) you go to a alleyway to help him fight some guys. Before the patch there was a stair on the side of a building, and a guy with a shotgun would spawn there. Today I did that mission, after the patch was applied) and the stair is not there anymore, so the guy spawns on the ground. The problem is, he spawns in the middle of a wall and the building, which makes it impossible for Niko to kill. If I climb the wall, he'll shoot me and kill me (he has a shotgun). Only way is to throw a grenade... I don't know why there are tons of objects missing. Yep guess that's gone too. He didn't end up in the wall in my game though. He just falls from the rooftop...lol. It's quite funny. Doesn't die though. I just had to jump the wall to get to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OabAli Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I just noticed that one of the benches that's missing is the one Badman is sitting on when he spawns for his random character mission. Has anyone seen how that works? Is he just squatting in midair? Does the bench show in the cutscene? Does he still show up at all? I can't check myself as I'd already done that mission before this patch. Thought I did it, but I guess not...lol. He's sitting there hanging out. Went there after I did it and the bench is gone. Could have sworn there were more benches and he was on a different one. Oly Chit... I'll check this out when I do the storyline a 2nd time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlingShotUK Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 ^^^^^^ I love that second picture.. Looks like Niko is devastated that the bench is no longer there.. This is seriously annoying that they have removed actual usable elements of the map - stairs etc.. I think the main thing here is that we don't like to think we've lost elements of the game and have no choice. I have plans to make a movie using hotdog vendors and the two I wanted to use specifically aren't there now - the two near one of the hospitals and police station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nillansan Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 So what are u saying, that a couple of missing hot dog stands, cones, and newspaper stands drastically affects the believeability of Liberty City? OMFG that's sad. Maybe I did notice some cones (end of Algonquin-Alderney tunnel) and construction sites (Dukes-Bohan Bridge) missing, but I didn't throw a bi+ch fit about it. These missing things did not affect me whatsoever, not the believeability, not my frequent rampages, not the storyline, nothing! I didn't even notice anything missing until I read this post. They are just hot dog stands and stuff you can crash into. There are many, many more fun things to do! Enjoy the extra FPS too! This is not an acceptable way to "optimize" performance! It's as simple as that! If you don't have any problems with this then why are you wasting your time here? All the small details contribute to make GTA a unique experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[ITA]Jack Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Niko : **Long breath** "You should patched me properly. R* ...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmoonchild Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 So what are u saying, that a couple of missing hot dog stands, cones, and newspaper stands drastically affects the believeability of Liberty City? OMFG that's sad. Maybe I did notice some cones (end of Algonquin-Alderney tunnel) and construction sites (Dukes-Bohan Bridge) missing, but I didn't throw a bi+ch fit about it. These missing things did not affect me whatsoever, not the believeability, not my frequent rampages, not the storyline, nothing! I didn't even notice anything missing until I read this post. They are just hot dog stands and stuff you can crash into. There are many, many more fun things to do! Enjoy the extra FPS too! This is not an acceptable way to "optimize" performance! It's as simple as that! If you don't have any problems with this then why are you wasting your time here? All the small details contribute to make GTA a unique experience. Agreed, plus we don’t know what else may have been removed from the game, this may only be the tip of the iceberg… there may be other aspects from the game that have been altered that have changed the playability factor, whether for better or worse. The removal of these items may be a side-effect from some other change that was made. Patches should not change the playing aspect of the game in any way, they should correct problems… that’s my opinion. Also, they are not “just hot dog stands”, they’re a way to replenish Niko’s health; and that’s one less Health pickup for every Hot Dog stand that’s been removed from the game. Nillansan's point is a very valid one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrysis02 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 So what are u saying, that a couple of missing hot dog stands, cones, and newspaper stands drastically affects the believeability of Liberty City? OMFG that's sad. Maybe I did notice some cones (end of Algonquin-Alderney tunnel) and construction sites (Dukes-Bohan Bridge) missing, but I didn't throw a bi+ch fit about it. These missing things did not affect me whatsoever, not the believeability, not my frequent rampages, not the storyline, nothing! I didn't even notice anything missing until I read this post. They are just hot dog stands and stuff you can crash into. There are many, many more fun things to do! Enjoy the extra FPS too! This is not an acceptable way to "optimize" performance! It's as simple as that! If you don't have any problems with this then why are you wasting your time here? All the small details contribute to make GTA a unique experience. LOL the X360 version had the exact same things and didn't have so big problems.It had them,but they were not as bad as the PC versions issues.Now.PC's that are far stronger than an Xbox360 run the game worse with lower settings.What does that mean to you?Yes,someone should have been fired from RockStar.In fact the whole team contributed to this,so it's useless pinning this on only one person.By removing these "Little things" the are giving the console versions an edge,thus the console and the PC version are not the 'same' anymore.This is not optimizing a game,this is called removing things from a game.What next?They will remove Nico,and we will continue the game as the 'Invisible man'?Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelated Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I also like how Rockstar only tells us about a portion of the changes they made. I mean why bother writing anything in there at all if we just have to sit and guess at what was really done by the patch. Seriously they aren't trustworthy at all. After GTA IV PC I will never take anything they say at face value again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nillansan Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I also like how Rockstar only tells us about a portion of the changes they made. I mean why bother writing anything in there at all if we just have to sit and guess at what was really done by the patch. Seriously they aren't trustworthy at all. After GTA IV PC I will never take anything they say at face value again. True. I actually got my hopes up and regained my faith in Rockstar, but yeah then I discovered that a lot of objects were missing from the game world. I sure hope that they'll provide a hot-fix or something (without introducing more bugs). I won't continue single player before this is fixed (I only completed 1 mission), I've mostly played multiplayer so far. I will try to reinstall the game as suggested by Xenova and re-apply 1.0.2.0 through Live and see if that fixes it, I won't get my hopes up though. It won't be today though, I am going to buy Call of Duty: World at War today, I heard that multiplayer is awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loste1 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I don't get it, there is no way they could have removed these items by accident, doesn't anyone else think that that too much stuff is being removed when it actually affects gameplay? Sure they are side missions/random encounters, but isn't going a little farther than removing a few hotdog vendors and construction bullsh*t on the street? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OabAli Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 So what are u saying, that a couple of missing hot dog stands, cones, and newspaper stands drastically affects the believeability of Liberty City? OMFG that's sad. Maybe I did notice some cones (end of Algonquin-Alderney tunnel) and construction sites (Dukes-Bohan Bridge) missing, but I didn't throw a bi+ch fit about it. These missing things did not affect me whatsoever, not the believeability, not my frequent rampages, not the storyline, nothing! I didn't even notice anything missing until I read this post. They are just hot dog stands and stuff you can crash into. There are many, many more fun things to do! Enjoy the extra FPS too! This is not an acceptable way to "optimize" performance! It's as simple as that! If you don't have any problems with this then why are you wasting your time here? All the small details contribute to make GTA a unique experience. I all see your point, and I realise that all of you have the right to complain against R* for the alleged pathetic attempt to optimize the game through removing objects. I was only amazed at how badly it affected some users (no disrespect), like those who absolutely demand AA. They guy I was responding to complained: But Liberty City isn't a living and breathing city anymore C'mon isn't that exaggerated? There are many other things that make Liberty City "living and breathing", and it wasn't mainly based on hot-dog stands and newspaper booths LOL. I too think it's sad of R*, if they did so intentionally, to "optimize" by removing objects. I'm pretty sure the next patch that will solve this issue yet still retaining (as well as improving) the current performance of the game. Sorry to anybody who was "offended" by my earlier comment. Peace and love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfr Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 the next patch will remove the game from your pc, so you can't complain about anything anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loste1 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) Oops, ignore this post. Edited January 30, 2009 by Loste1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakarot_9 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 the next patch will remove the game from your pc, so you can't complain about anything anymore. LOL. There are many places to get food, I don't see why you're making such a big deal out of it. At least the hotdog stand opposite the first savehouse is still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nillansan Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 the next patch will remove the game from your pc, so you can't complain about anything anymore. LOL. There are many places to get food, I don't see why you're making such a big deal out of it. At least the hotdog stand opposite the first savehouse is still there. OH LAWD. At least read the thread before posting, there are a lot of objects missing from the game world NOT ONLY THE VENDORS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeka Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Bummers... But since I can't start the game, with the orignal ver, nor the patched v1.0.10 ver... I hope this isn't the reason I can't dl patch v1.0.2.0 . Because I'de settle for for a game that had missing cars as far as I care if I could at least start the game up. At least for the moment I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I really don't understand the fuss about it all myself. Yes it is a bit cheeky that some in game objects are now missing after the patch. However it isn't going to stay like that forever the next patch will bring them back and none of the objects from what I can see are "game critical". Whilst it is right to bring this to the attention of Rockstar some people are making a far bigger deal of it than it actually is. Now having said that Rockstar Toronto get that damn clock working on the clock tower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrysis02 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I really don't understand the fuss about it all myself. Yes it is a bit cheeky that some in game objects are now missing after the patch. However it isn't going to stay like that forever the next patch will bring them back and none of the objects from what I can see are "game critical". Whilst it is right to bring this to the attention of Rockstar some people are making a far bigger deal of it than it actually is. Now having said that Rockstar Toronto get that damn clock working on the clock tower LOL'z.....if it ain't a big deal why did they remove them?And if they did,why bring em' back?Performance will be the same after that,so there was really no reason for them to do this.Well,there was becasue of the performance increase thing,but they are off their rockers if they thought that no one would see the changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 You are under the assumption they "intentionally" removed the objects. I don't personally think they did intentionally remove them. I think it was just a plain ole "f*ck up". I feel the most obvious explanation is a f*ck up rather than some elaborate conspiracy theory that they removed the items to boost fps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmoonchild Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I really don't understand the fuss about it all myself. Yes it is a bit cheeky that some in game objects are now missing after the patch. However it isn't going to stay like that forever the next patch will bring them back and none of the objects from what I can see are "game critical". Not really true, the vendors ARE game critical, at least for the way I play… I only like to play GTA IV with a 6-Star Wanted Level, and the vendors function in two different ways when you have any sort of Wanted Level: First, they bring back Niko’s health (that’s obvious). Second, they create a momentary point of amnesty for Niko, meaning the cops will completely ignore him while he’s getting the food and paying for it, which allows for me to continue playing in an area with a 6-Star Wanted Level for longer periods. That’s why I don’t want any of the vendors to be removed. Plus, I simply don’t want anything removed from the game that makes it different from the other platforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girish Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 You are under the assumption they "intentionally" removed the objects. I don't personally think they did intentionally remove them. I think it was just a plain ole "f*ck up". I feel the most obvious explanation is a f*ck up rather than some elaborate conspiracy theory that they removed the items to boost fps. Even I would like to believe that it's nothing more than a f*ck up. I wouldn't want to blame R* so prematurely when they've said that they're going to be supporting the game for a very long time. And I also sincerely hope that they put those things back in patch #3, if it is being worked upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWEETSAPRIK Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 You are under the assumption they "intentionally" removed the objects. I don't personally think they did intentionally remove them. I think it was just a plain ole "f*ck up". I feel the most obvious explanation is a f*ck up rather than some elaborate conspiracy theory that they removed the items to boost fps. ^This. It was always pretty much down to one of two things, a lame move to improve performance, or not enough testing. The fact that they have commented saying that they are aware of the issue means that they consider it an issue, so I seriously doubt they did it on purpose. That said, it's far from the only problem they're working on. While I really want the vendors and random objects returned to the game, and would like the clock tower working now that I'm aware of it, I'm sure they are busy. I mean the game is at least playable at decent settings and a decent FPS for me. I have to think that the people having trouble playing at all, or having trouble playing for long without crashing are the priority. It's safe to assume that now that they are aware of it, they are working on it, and will try to have a fix in the next patch. PяopagaиdaIиc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrysis02 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 You are under the assumption they "intentionally" removed the objects. I don't personally think they did intentionally remove them. I think it was just a plain ole "f*ck up". I feel the most obvious explanation is a f*ck up rather than some elaborate conspiracy theory that they removed the items to boost fps. Well let's all hope you are right Charlie.Sad thing is,i think that the removal of these things made the game actually smoother.If they put them back,than that means they didn't even tried to optimize anything.If they put them back,we'll be stuck with the same old unoptimized game.Bug free tho i hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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