Lurkingsockpuppet Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) Well yes if you keep prompting by keep going on at him I couldn't give a sh*t if its stays open gets locked or anything really, either way it wont get AA in the game . Yeah, your right.. I wont trying to start any arguments with my first post, its just not cool to bash someone for having hopes.. If he or anyone else dont think AA will ever be in the game, and likely it wont, then so be it, its not worth going on and on trying to kill the hopes of others, false or not.. The topic is " One more DREAM remaining".... And all i said was they can add it if they wanted to.. and they can.. but will they? i would say it will be in the next gta.. but im not going to bash the guy that has one dream remaining for this game at hand.... But then the replies to what i said started.. sorry if his attitude is enough to make some people argue back.. Look at some of the other threads posted having to do with CharmingCharlie.. I can understand where he comes from, but i think he has a problem understanding others and where they might be coming from... Edited January 25, 2009 by Lurkingsockpuppet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[email protected] Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 I wish this game had AA and AF too, but i am not sure it would run smooth unless you had more then one high end GPU, but it does not support multiple GPU's so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainDingo Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 I wish this game had AA and AF too, but i am not sure it would run smooth unless you had more then one high end GPU, but it does not support multiple GPU's so... Render Quality IS anisotropic filtering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smoking6 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) Because this has been discussed time and time and time again, there have been dozens of posts on AA and every single time people say "there will be no AA because it uses deferred rendering in Dx9" people then choose to totally ignore that and do yet another post bitching and whining for AA and they are told there will be no AA because of deferred rendering, which they again ignore etc etc etc. I love the way you criticise me for my "manners" not once have I ever threatened physical violence to anyone on this board yet here YOU are going "oh I wanna hit you in the face". As to my moderation why do people always bring that into the equation, I have not done any moderation to this thread so it really has sweet f*ck all to do with anything. Yeah right. You are still not getting my point of view. As you are being the autorithy here, you shouldn't swear that much and release your nerves on the boards like this. Anyway, regarding the AA, There might be a way to do it. This is for ATI GFXs only. I've been able to force AA in a few games that didn't allow it, not by forcing the AA in the drivers settings of course, but with additional tricks. Here is one exemple with Eveonline that didn't allow AA in game settings, or even with forcing AA in the driver control software. Here is the original eve forums thread : Okay, so far people have only been able to get anti-aliasing and HDR to work properly together on Nvidia (8800+) cards by using the little enhancer utility and forcing a game profile that has driver level support for it (such as the Oblivion profile).ATI does not have such a utility since it's game profiles seem to be hidden within the driver and not editable by the user. That being said, ATI drivers do indeed have game specific profiles (as long as Catalyst AI is ENABLED!). Such profiles exist for games like Oblivion, Unreal Tournament 3, and Mass Effect to allow for simultaneous use of HDR with Anti-Aliasing.To get this to work you simply need to rename the ExeFile.exe under \CCP\EVE\bin to either UT3.exe or oblivion.exe . Unfortunatly, I get an error when i rename GTAIV.exe to Oblivion.exe, wich I supose is due to DRMs or something? Anyone can help elaborate this? Edited January 25, 2009 by smoking6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Yeah right. You are still not getting my point of view. As you are being the autorithy here, you shouldn't swear that much and release your nerves on the boards like this. Says the person with "f*cking lunatic" as his custom member title. The board automatically censors swearing and I use swearing as part of my language. Look if you have a problem with me then take it up with someone that cares and stop trying to derail topics with your petty opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smoking6 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Yeah right. You are still not getting my point of view. As you are being the autorithy here, you shouldn't swear that much and release your nerves on the boards like this. Says the person with "f*cking lunatic" as his custom member title. The board automatically censors swearing and I use swearing as part of my language. Look if you have a problem with me then take it up with someone that cares and stop trying to derail topics with your petty opinions. w/e man, you really do not understand, and I do not care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkingsockpuppet Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) you and me both man... you and me both... Edited for a couple reasons.. Edited January 25, 2009 by Lurkingsockpuppet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67257990206098020947 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 yes we need AA and a Performance Patch..... i have on my system only 17 fps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warlordcs Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 i always found the demand for aa (for any game or app) to be a little strange. simply because as people we want better and better hd tvs and moniters that deliver the sharpest picture possible, than we want aa so they can be fuzzy again! (yes i know that is not what aa really does) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oc student Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Yeah right. You are still not getting my point of view. As you are being the autorithy here, you shouldn't swear that much and release your nerves on the boards like this. Says the person with "f*cking lunatic" as his custom member title. The board automatically censors swearing and I use swearing as part of my language. Look if you have a problem with me then take it up with someone that cares and stop trying to derail topics with your petty opinions. w/e man, you really do not understand, and I do not care. I'm sorry but CC f*cking owned you. And Warlod AA is to hide the shimmering jagged lines that look sh*tter than a wee bit of AA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamerShotgun Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) Well yes if you keep prompting by keep going on at him I couldn't give a sh*t if its stays open gets locked or anything really, either way it wont get AA in the game . Yeah, your right.. I wont trying to start any arguments with my first post, its just not cool to bash someone for having hopes.. If he or anyone else dont think AA will ever be in the game, and likely it wont, then so be it, its not worth going on and on trying to kill the hopes of others, false or not.. The topic is " One more DREAM remaining".... And all i said was they can add it if they wanted to.. and they can.. but will they? i would say it will be in the next gta.. but im not going to bash the guy that has one dream remaining for this game at hand.... But then the replies to what i said started.. sorry if his attitude is enough to make some people argue back.. Look at some of the other threads posted having to do with CharmingCharlie.. I can understand where he comes from, but i think he has a problem understanding others and where they might be coming from... Uhm, this is a forum, and on a forum, you can discuss things what other forumers post. We discuss things, and since no-one has the same opinion, we argue. Arguing is right, as far as you respect the other member here, who has a different opinion related to something. BUT, if you see the same f*cking thread 100 times a day, with a different title, but basically the same topic in it, then you will be f*cking angry after a while. Mainly because it's frustrating to read the same thing over and over but with different words. Look, this forum has a "search" feature which can be useful if you can use the right words with it. If there's already a discussion about something, why the hell it is needed to open another one, with the SAME f*ckING TOPIC AGAIN?! It's just not logical.... and since everyone here is a f*cking guest, and there's a f*ckING hierarchy in forums, I expect users to NOT argue with the moderators and administrators here on something which they (the staff) are right about, then open threads with aimed attacks at one of them. If you still can't stand how Charlie works, or any other MODs around here, then GTFO, we already have some motherf*ckers like you here, who can't be f*cking arsed to do their things properly, and too retarded to use the search engine. Case closed in my opinion, I'm not going to post here anymore, because this thread is already a big pile of garbage. Related to the topic: This won't happen soon. The R.A.G.E engine is ported from consoles which is a reason why they do not support DirectX 10 at all. And because I know R*, they would need to re-write most of their already done engine, to not just support DX9, but DX10 too. And again, AA won't happen if you want to play this game on a DirectX9 card, since it would not just be difficult, but would take too much performance from this already "laggy" game. Which could lead another 1.000.000 users whining about how they f*cking retarded and f*cked up this game. And I f*cking know that I used the word "f*ck" f*cking much! Edited January 25, 2009 by MasterK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAMonkey2012 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 And I f*cking know that I used the word "f*ck" f*cking much! I f*ckin' here you an that mate, I really f*cking do. The best so far is the tweak/mod for the blur that is here, not sure if its working after patch but you get the motion blur and distant blurring under "p" without the overall smudge blur, Ive learned to live with that installed. One you get into the game it slowly becomes less of an issue after time. I wont post here again either, not much more I could possibly add. You could post a pic of Obama and "hope" ... if you want I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 we need AA and a Performance Patch..... i have on my system only 17 fps Upgrade is another name for "performance patch". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig3000 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 your being a bit dramatic here! most of us were suprised to even get a second patch now after patching i can now turn off Vsync and the blur filter is always on i have improved about 5-10FPS and avg around 40 never going below 30 if your really worried about jaggies turn 'definition' off, ok it will not make jaggies disappear but it makes them less obvious and the motion blur helps to smooth frames together if you search the forum you can find the motion blur tweak, as the default motion blur is fairly low i always used to play with no AA i didnt really care lol but now i always try turning it on the only games i dont have it on are GTA4 and brothers in arms, just because they dont have them but tbh who cares wont stop me from playing them if you cant live without AA your very weak or your dedicated to just one game like GTA4 go out buy some more games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEnd Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Stop crying for AA. Man, no wonder IV got many 1.0 rating for PC, start enjoying the game! yes, i truly mean that, i recently got The Orange Box, and i don't have anything to complain about Half Life 2's graphics, they are sure AWESOME!, well this comes from a guy that was stuck with a P3 for over 5 years, always trying to achive the better gameplay because if i can't get good graphics at least give me a decent gameplay, that was what SA giving me, playing on 1280x1024 on 16Bit with much greater FPS than 32 bit, i could even record a video! and the graphics were EXTREMELY good for me. so stop crying about the graphics and start enjoying the game, or the mission "The Cousin's Bellic" is too hard for you? Give R* a rest. and give them thanks that IV came to the PC and they even released two patches and I'm pretty sure a third one will follow sooner or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damunk Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 A lot of people posting here as if they know exactly what has to be done to get AA to work even though they know just as much as most of us do. The only official statement that actually has some merit here is that rockstar said they were looking into the possibility to add AA if there was a high demand. So please, unless you have some official f*cking info stop posting sh*t like "OFMG THIS WILL NEVR HAPPEn!%(&@, ITS TOOO HARD" The hostility of the moderator amazes me btw... AntiAliassing is important for a lot of people who don't have monitors that can go 1920x1080 but do have hardware to run it. It makes the game look A LOT better for them and they should have the right to post how they feel about it, especially since rockstar said they'd look into it if there was great demand. So CC why dont you take a chillpill and stop acting like you know it all? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DexX Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 So please, unless you have some official f*cking info stop posting sh*t like "OFMG THIS WILL NEVR HAPPEn!%(&@, ITS TOOO HARD" Ok, then we'll analyze some of the facts surrounding this limitation (these facts are verifiable to those who can rip the resources and analyze parts of the game as it runs with various hooks or injectors - i used a modified d3d9.dll file): -The game renders what you see in several passes, mainly for the "deferred lighting". This rendering is done to several screen-size offscreen d3d9 textures. Directx 9 cannot anti-alias these textures due to limitations of...well, of directx 9. It isn't a R*-imposed limitation. This is also why Forcing AA through the drivers, or various tweaking programs has no visible effect. So unless R* changes how they do their rendering - not likely - or adds D3d10 support - also not likely - this game will remain forever aliased. And please, people, stop saying "I need AA!" and grow a pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinshine Posted January 25, 2009 Author Share Posted January 25, 2009 A lot of people posting here as if they know exactly what has to be done to get AA to work even though they know just as much as most of us do. The only official statement that actually has some merit here is that rockstar said they were looking into the possibility to add AA if there was a high demand. So please, unless you have some official f*cking info stop posting sh*t like "OFMG THIS WILL NEVR HAPPEn!%(&@, ITS TOOO HARD" The hostility of the moderator amazes me btw... AntiAliassing is important for a lot of people who don't have monitors that can go 1920x1080 but do have hardware to run it. It makes the game look A LOT better for them and they should have the right to post how they feel about it, especially since rockstar said they'd look into it if there was great demand. So CC why dont you take a chillpill and stop acting like you know it all? Thanks. Well said! It's not THAT impossible to add AA if Rockstar will try their best to... NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE, remember this, OK? Especially for Charming Charlie, don't be that rude to people who have ideas you don't think proper, everyone here has his own requirement, and don't act like you know all the things about Rockstar. If AA can be added in the future, it's a good improvement for everyone,including you, OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacMaan Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Group hug everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicotin3 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 I dont miss AA since im using definition turned off (the P filter).. and yeah it blurs the image but it also improves the visual quality of the game in many ways. It hides aliasing, grainy shadows, low resolution textures and low polycount on objects rendered far away improving the graphics in more ways AA would. You dont see me complaining about aliasing or the shadows... so give it a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImoonPeople Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Can I note that when you hit "P" it not only adds the blur BUT, Cars float and swirl when your drunk looking down the road, where as obviously with no blur you dont get that effect. Thats my fun fact of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weses Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 I dont miss AA since im using definition turned off (the P filter).. and yeah it blurs the image but it also improves the visual quality of the game in many ways. It hides aliasing, grainy shadows, low resolution textures and low polycount on objects rendered far away improving the graphics in more ways AA would. You dont see me complaining about aliasing or the shadows... so give it a try. It doesn't hide it completely, you can see jaggies in the distance no problem with it on or off. 4xAA would make everything look a whole lot better, and the buildings in the distance wouldn't look like flat rectangular shaped pieces of paper. It's like when I enabled AA in Fallout 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okei Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 i'm pretty sure there was a readme or something that said on the 360 it runs at 2x aa and 720. waits for people to start getting angry at me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicotin3 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 I dont miss AA since im using definition turned off (the P filter).. and yeah it blurs the image but it also improves the visual quality of the game in many ways. It hides aliasing, grainy shadows, low resolution textures and low polycount on objects rendered far away improving the graphics in more ways AA would. You dont see me complaining about aliasing or the shadows... so give it a try. It doesn't hide it completely, you can see jaggies in the distance no problem with it on or off. 4xAA would make everything look a whole lot better, and the buildings in the distance wouldn't look like flat rectangular shaped pieces of paper. It's like when I enabled AA in Fallout 3. I dont notice jagged edges on distant objects, atleast they dont disturb me (with the filter on). Without the filter everything far away looks like crap no matter how high your settings are, the buildings, the trees and those pixelated squares turning into detailed objects are far more noticeable too (trash cans, signs, etc). The landscape looks much more photorealistic with the filter on. The only time i miss AA is with stuff drawn close to Niko, the cars and nearby objects, i think even just 2x AA would make a huge diference but what about performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamerShotgun Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 So please, unless you have some official f*cking info stop posting sh*t like "OFMG THIS WILL NEVR HAPPEn!%(&@, ITS TOOO HARD" Ok, then we'll analyze some of the facts surrounding this limitation (these facts are verifiable to those who can rip the resources and analyze parts of the game as it runs with various hooks or injectors - i used a modified d3d9.dll file): -The game renders what you see in several passes, mainly for the "deferred lighting". This rendering is done to several screen-size offscreen d3d9 textures. Directx 9 cannot anti-alias these textures due to limitations of...well, of directx 9. It isn't a R*-imposed limitation. This is also why Forcing AA through the drivers, or various tweaking programs has no visible effect. So unless R* changes how they do their rendering - not likely - or adds D3d10 support - also not likely - this game will remain forever aliased. And please, people, stop saying "I need AA!" and grow a pair. Finally someone who has a clue about things... Now, who will argue with him on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsEÿeBob Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Seems there are two kinds of people debating this topic. One group doesn't care about AA because their hardware wouldn't cope with it in the 1st place. The second group wants AA and their hardware is capable but they refuse to believe AA can't or won't be patched in. I lean towards the second group. I want AA. I use AA in every title I can get it in. It definitely improves image quality. I hope it can be hacked in somehow someway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creat3d22 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 You will never see AA in GTA4, look up "deferred lighting". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UndeadDevil Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 You will never see AA in GTA4, look up "deferred lighting". Look up "Unreal Engine 3 AA DX9". (Of course that's SuperSampling only...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc0f13ld Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) the reason why there is no AA is pretty meaningless imo, frankly cause I dont care people are used to AA these days on a PC, they expect it (and they should!), maybe not on an Xbox (but you cant compare an Xbox with a PC anyway) I think there is no point in having high res textures and nice lightning and what not if you dont have AA of course that is always a matter of taste (and yes, I have a XT280, for a reason!) but a game without AA is just not 100%, not even 90% I play on 1920x1200 and yes, YOU CAN STILL CLEARLY SEE IT. if you have a bad PC and are used to not having AA or even if you dont mind not having it at all (like my GF), then thats fine for you, not for me though I am pretty disappointed that R* took this approach dont get me wrong, this still is the best game I ever played. period. It just would be even more perfect if it had AA. such a shame! I played it for a few weeks now and I still cant get used to the fact that there is no AA! (even after the 1.0.2 patch which made the game look a lot nicer) I dont want to bitch, just want to state my thoughts on the "(no!) AA topic" somewhere inside me there is still a little bit of hope left that some day there will be AA for GTA 4 (so I can play it to 100% again ) thanks for listening Edited January 27, 2009 by sc0f13ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrati0nal Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Just up your resolution to 1920x1080 and you'll be fine. I've been saying this for months GTA4 does NOT scale with resolution, so even at 1920X1200 the jaggies are terrible sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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