RedEnd Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Wait a minute... does there is a machine that could possibly run it with AA? I'm sure you didn't think about that. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livilaNic Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Wait a minute...does there is a machine that could possibly run it with AA? I'm sure you didn't think about that. lol. I'm sure there is. If they would allow for it (dx10). I would think all you would have to do is lower certain details and visuals to get decent fps until future generations of PCs with higher specifications become more widely available. To get highest/very high. Really wouldn't know (for sure) until they did allow for it though. So meh.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertz123 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Look there is going to be no AA in GTA 4 get used too it. I believe the reason is down to the fact Rockstar use deferred rendering, in Dx9 it is incredibly difficult to get AA working efficiently with deferred rendering if it is possible at all. It is possible to have AA with deferred rendering in Dx10 but then people would be bitching and moaning about the fact you could only have AA in Dx10 then. In short there will be NO AA in GTA 4 if you can't live with that then please do us all a favour and go away. first it's called deferred lightning not rendering. and second just have a look at unrealtournement3 with the same problem: deferred lightning and no dx10 path (as opposed to gearsofwars) but nvidia managed to support AA via a driver hack so don't say we'll never see AA in gta4. next time shut up or use the word MAYBE...thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 first it's called deferred lightning not rendering. and second just have a look at unrealtournement3 with the same problem: deferred lightning and no dx10 path (as opposed to gearsofwars) but nvidia managed to support AA via a driver hack so don't say we'll never see AA in gta4. next time shut up or use the word MAYBE...thx Then perhaps the people wanting AA could go and bitch on Nvidia's forums then if that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertz123 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 epic asked them to do it not the other way around, geez! so every demand for AA via the official forum is by no means useless spamming and whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 This IS NOT an official Rockstar forum this is a GTA fan site in no way affiliated with Rockstar in any way. We have had countless topics on bloody AA it has been explained time and time again why there is no AA, yet still it won't enter people's heads and they keep whining about there being no AA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertz123 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 so he's just monitoring this site now and then? http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showuser=352152 anyway i got your point but i stay with what i said though i will rest the case for today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girish Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 so he's just monitoring this site now and then? http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showuser=352152 I'm glad you used the word 'monitoring' because that's right. He's just monitoring and trying to help people resolve their issues. Nothing more than that. R* have got nothing to do with the administration of this forum. They don't pay the admins to run and maintain the network either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UndeadDevil Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 AA can be supported by the engine, this is a fact. Supersampling is supported in every game ever made, this include UT3, Bioshock, etc. The ones that use Defered Rendering, etc. (Assuming you have enough GPU Power to render the screen 4x bigger then downscale it ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamerShotgun Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) Why are people so obsessed with the slightest graphical detail? Just stfu and play the game man AA isn't a "slight" graphical detail, buddy. FFS the Xbox 360 version had AA . . . WTF? No, it did NOT have AA at all. The blur filter what makes those pixels dissappear, and that "depth of field" kinda filter in far distances. So yeah, get your facts straight. As someone have already pointed it out, they can't implement AA because GTA IV uses a complex lighting technique. Therefore if you want to play the game on a DX9 only card, you can't have AA. But if Rockstar would decide to recode the engine for only DX10 cards, we'd get more whiners every day. Welcome to our world! And again, please do me a favor and stop talking about FPS, or non-sandbox styled TPS's related to GTA. It's like comparing cheese to tomato. Edited January 24, 2009 by MasterK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertz123 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 kinda wrong due to: Supersampling just read the framebuffer, resize the picture then scale it down. shouldn't be that hard or? but since the framebuffer is already so limited in gat4 i think we have found the worm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA_XP Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Ouch, dithered weeds Thats goes off the excitment and being stoned. Oooh, nice paint and colouring in the air, did I see pope sh*tted in the woods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkingsockpuppet Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Look there is going to be no AA in GTA 4 get used too it. I believe the reason is down to the fact Rockstar use deferred rendering, in Dx9 it is incredibly difficult to get AA working efficiently with deferred rendering if it is possible at all. It is possible to have AA with deferred rendering in Dx10 but then people would be bitching and moaning about the fact you could only have AA in Dx10 then. In short there will be NO AA in GTA 4 if you can't live with that then please do us all a favour and go away. Just like everyone said there would be no patch any time soon.. right? And they can patch it to dx10 if they wanted, and that would mean AA is possable.. FS:X was a dx9 game, but was patched to add dx10.. The same thing can be applied here.. I'm not saying they will or wont, but they can if they wanted to.. I get sick of the people saying something will or wont happen when they have no way of knowing themselfs.. Just like the patch that was just released.. look at how many people posted there was going to be no patch and every time someone asked about a patch, they got flamed... If people want to make a statement on their own behalf why try to run them down? For all you know they are working on the next patch already, that might just include dx10 and AA, who would know?.. not you! Its already well known R* wont release info of it till the release of the patch itself... So why waste your energy bitching to people about stuff you have no way of knowing anything about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamerShotgun Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) kinda wrong due to: Supersampling just read the framebuffer, resize the picture then scale it down. shouldn't be that hard or? but since the framebuffer is already so limited in gat4 i think we have found the worm... Well, if they do it then there'll be another problem to whine about here! @Lurkingsockpuppet: And then again, how can you be so sure that R.A.G.E could support DX10 with some lines of code? Seriously, why do you think they ever will release a patch which includes Anti-aliasing in the game? No one knows, neither you if there will be anything implemented like AA or not. So bashing CharmingCharlie because he doesn't know is f*cking lame, because you can't be sure either. Don't like this place, then go away. The reason why CC is "flaming" people here is because most of them are 'tards who can't understand sh*t, even if there's a f*cking understandable answer which could be realised if they could think logically. And for god's sake... THIS GAME IS NOT A f*ckING PLANE SIMULATOR, DEVELOPED BY MS WHO WORKS ON DX VERSIONS. Not to mention that most of them isn't even over 12. Edited January 24, 2009 by MasterK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Just like everyone said there would be no patch any time soon.. right?And they can patch it to dx10 if they wanted, and that would mean AA is possable.. FS:X was a dx9 game, but was patched to add dx10.. The same thing can be applied here.. I'm not saying they will or wont, but they can if they wanted to.. I get sick of the people saying something will or wont happen when they have no way of knowing themselfs.. Just like the patch that was just released.. look at how many people posted there was going to be no patch and every time someone asked about a patch, they got flamed... If people want to make a statement on their own behalf why try to run them down? For all you know they are working on the next patch already, that might just include dx10 and AA, who would know?.. not you! Its already well known R* wont release info of it till the release of the patch itself... So why waste your energy bitching to people about stuff you have no way of knowing anything about? I never for one minute said there wouldn't be a second patch, I have always believed that Rockstar Toronto will support the PC version as much as they can and for as long as they can. I will even go out on a limb and say I won't be surprised if there is a third patch to fix some more issues. However I am 100% certain that there is NO WAY in hell that Rockstar will release a patch to implement AA support in GTA 4. The consoles didn't have it and the PC won't get it. It isn't a case of being in the know it is a case of using bloody common sense. It would take a major rewrite of the entire game engine to implement AA even with DirectX 10 and there simply are not enough users of Dx10 machines to warrant that amount of work. That is why I say with every confidence there will be NO AA in GTA 4 it won't be implemented so just forget about it or you can carry on spamming the forums whining for a feature that will never materialise and most people neither give a stuff about or even have the hardware to utilise it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk Russian 9 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) Why are people so obsessed with the slightest graphical detail? Just stfu and play the game man AA isn't a "slight" graphical detail, buddy. FFS the Xbox 360 version had AA . . . WTF? No, it did NOT have AA at all. The blur filter what makes those pixels dissappear, and that "depth of field" kinda filter in far distances. So yeah, get your facts straight. Get your facts straight before you start acting like an asshole. PS3 GTA IV runs at 640p with 0xAA, in comparison to the Xbox 360 version at 720p with 2xAA. From here. Ooh I just killed 2 birds with one stone. Edited January 24, 2009 by Drunk Russian 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertz123 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) @charlie: geez, no one says r* has to rewrite the full code to support dx10, which they denied already, but just for the love of god start to think outside the edge. a driver hack isn't impossible so don't give this topic the final nail yet. relax! Edited January 24, 2009 by qwertz123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertz123 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 From here. Ooh I just killed 2 birds with one stone. not even google cache shows me anything... edit: did took awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Get your facts straight before you start acting like an asshole. PS3 GTA IV runs at 640p with 0xAA, in comparison to the Xbox 360 version at 720p with 2xAA. From here. Ooh I just killed 2 birds with one stone. Erm no you didn't, there is f*ck all evidence that the 360 version uses 2xAA that was just a guesstimate by Quaz51, from what I gather his stuff is pretty much bullsh*t along the lines of the "tweaks" ron123 keeps posting in this forum. @charlie: geez, no one says r* has to rewrite the full code to support dx10, which they denied already, but just for the love of god start to think outside the edge. a driver hack isn't impossible so don't give this topic the final nail yet. relax! If it was just as simple as a "driver hack" don't you think we would have seen something like that by now. Really if it is as easy as you are making out this subject wouldn't even exist because people would have a bitching topic like "can turn AA on but it runs like ass on my 8400gt". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Pretty sure AA does not work with 2 or 3 effects that GTA IV uses, and otherwise, it would only slow your experience. There is not a video card on the market that can do any ~!!worthwhile!!~ antialiasing of this game IMO. That'll be a while. It'll be so long that you'll actually be able to to push a decent resolution and not even want AA by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk Russian 9 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) Get your facts straight before you start acting like an asshole. PS3 GTA IV runs at 640p with 0xAA, in comparison to the Xbox 360 version at 720p with 2xAA. From here. Ooh I just killed 2 birds with one stone. Erm no you didn't, there is f*ck all evidence that the 360 version uses 2xAA that was just a guesstimate by Quaz51, from what I gather his stuff is pretty much bullsh*t along the lines of the "tweaks" ron123 keeps posting in this forum. Yea, thats exactly why it says "confirmed" on the top of the page. You just can't admit that your wrong, can you? Ok then more proof. Edited January 24, 2009 by Drunk Russian 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 I am not going to argue with you Drunk Russian 9 I own the f*cking 360 version and played it for nearly 2 months and if the 360 version has AA then I will be buggered if I could see any the damn thing looks more jaggie than the PC version. But hey you want to believe a story based on a forum post then be my guest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertz123 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 If it was just as simple as a "driver hack" don't you think we would have seen something like that by now. Really if it is as easy as you are making out this subject wouldn't even exist because people would have a bitching topic like "can turn AA on but it runs like ass on my 8400gt". to be honest i would LOVE this topic patchwise: patience is a virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkingsockpuppet Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 All I can do at this point is LoL This has been turned into another useless thread of people fighting about whos right and whos wrong.. If people want to get their hopes up for the next patch or whatever why the hell bitch and cry to them that it will never happen? THATS even more POINTLESS then posting a new thread about what you would like to see sometime down the road.... If the topic is something you would like to chat about then fine, but if all your going to do is flame anyone who has the least bit of hope for what they want, you might as well go around telling all the kids at kindercare there is no santa while cursing with your face turning red... And BTW, i never said YOU said there wasnt going to be a patch.. i said "like all the people who" anyway.. the people who cry about the forums being flooded with useless crap, think of what your doing every time you reply to such stuff trying to tell people their wrong or its not going to happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangsta-NL Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 GTA 4 with Anti-aliasing = no good game expierience. Damn guys wtf do you need more, a renderware engine for gta 4 like gta sa?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 yeah lets not debate things in a forum that would be a silly thing to do now wouldn't it. The only person not talking about the topic in hand here is YOU. Now might I suggest if you have nothing relevant to say about the topic then DON'T POST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkingsockpuppet Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 yeah lets not debate things in a forum that would be a silly thing to do now wouldn't it. The only person not talking about the topic in hand here is YOU. Now might I suggest if you have nothing relevant to say about the topic then DON'T POST. Might I suggest that you stop posting in every forums that you disagree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAMonkey2012 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 yeah lets not debate things in a forum that would be a silly thing to do now wouldn't it. The only person not talking about the topic in hand here is YOU. Now might I suggest if you have nothing relevant to say about the topic then DON'T POST. Might I suggest that you stop posting in every forums that you disagree with? Its not about "disagreeing", its about FACT that AA is not coded for it and wont arrive with it in a patch, debate / forum / thread whatever you want, the game engine wont change no matter what with this particular request which is what this thread is about. I would "like" to see it, and i'm sure everyone here would, but if there's one thing in this game that is the most clear to me that wont happen its AA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkingsockpuppet Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Then this should have been locked like all the others he locked for being a useless thread... That would have solved the whole problem would it of not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAMonkey2012 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Well yes if you keep prompting by keep going on at him I couldn't give a sh*t if its stays open gets locked or anything really, either way it wont get AA in the game . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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