Rockstar Toronto Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 If you are using a cracked or modified launcher you will experience problems like not being able to use the in game computers. You know what ? This is booooring now , Please tell us ? Are you reading those all post`s or you find some post with was posted some day`s ago and you reply , please don`t use crack OMG !!!! You f*cked up game with this patch and you know that , look up , i`m using retail game and have this prob. no crack`s mod nothing like this ! Just reinstalled , installed newest patch and the same ! Like a f*cking technical support , "please install new Allplayer or something like this sh*t ! OMG You said in another thread you are using a no-dvd check launcher, this is a crack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenova Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) There is still a vast collection of problems with the game since the latest patch. - The interaction failure of TV's and Computers and lack of Vendors on the streets can be rectified by reinstalling the game, making sure you use the retail disc and do not use any modified loader app as this has been proven to cause problems. Even if you haven't applied a modified loader to the game and you are experiencing this problem, reinstalling the game should fix the issue. For those of you who purchased the game via Steam, you may have to re-download your game and let Steam re-apply the patch. Xenova thanks for taking your time to provide us with potential solutions to these annoying bugs But does your fix also work if you reinstall and re-apply the latest patch through Live? And does this fix also rectify the lack of other objects (such as benches, cones, concrete dividers, metal dividers/gates)? See http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058915511 for further details and screenies. I am not going to start on single player until this is fixed. Nillansan, here's a run through of what i did exactly step by step. I am using Windows Vista Ultimate x64, for spec please see my sig as im using an nVidia graphics card - I uninstalled the game with Your Uninstaller 2008. You can get a free 30 day trial of this, if you don't have it. This program will remove all of the remains the the game and its registry keys from your computer. - Restart the computer. -Make sure you get the latest version of Microsoft .net framework and run windows update. Restart if necessary. - Run the GTA IV installer. Because you have already got GFWL and Social Club installed the installer will skip these. Please make sure these are up to date though. - Once the game has installed and run its release date check, run the game and sign into LIVE, if applicable to your area of the world. If so, LIVE will automatically ask you to download the latest patch. - Install the Patch. - Still leaving your game in the drive, restart GTA IV, it should do this automatically. - You will need to re adjust your graphic settings - (you can skip this but i ran a benchmark here to look at textures and performance) - Go to an internet café and check to see if the internet works. (As i've aforementioned, i tested out Rockstar's theory of using a modified App Launcher, this WILL cause this interaction problem) - Asuming you have the latest drivers for your hardware, and latest DirectX you should have no problems with missing textures. Since i reinstalled the only errors ive got is the crash to desktop when playing, accessing the map and video editor. Please let us know how you make out. @TygerGoose, thanks for sharing Edited January 27, 2009 by Xenova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcin6 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 If you are using a cracked or modified launcher you will experience problems like not being able to use the in game computers. You know what ? This is booooring now , Please tell us ? Are you reading those all post`s or you find some post with was posted some day`s ago and you reply , please don`t use crack OMG !!!! You f*cked up game with this patch and you know that , look up , i`m using retail game and have this prob. no crack`s mod nothing like this ! Just reinstalled , installed newest patch and the same ! Like a f*cking technical support , "please install new Allplayer or something like this sh*t ! OMG You said in another thread you are using a no-dvd check launcher, this is a crack! LoL i don`t write this :| This might be a mistake of your`s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenova Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) There is an awful lot of talk of people using modified launchers here, whether they are legitimate users of the software or not makes no difference, circumvention of protection measures is illegal. Yes I used a modified launcher on a test machine that i was debugging the game on last night to prove for the benefit of everyone here that a modified launcher WILL cause the game to have problems, and it does. I own a genuine copy, so if you are using a modified launcher, you will incur problems playing the game simple as that. Maybe Rockstar did this deliberately, maybe its by accident. What i will say is it affects people who have the disc in their drives, the legit ones i mean and the only way this can be fixed is reinstalling the game from the retail disc or re-downloading the game if you purchased it across a content delivery system such as Steam and patching directly to 1.0.2.0 i've tested this theory on 3 other test computers. Edited January 27, 2009 by Xenova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcin6 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 !!! I forgot to add this bug what i`ve found , well it`s old bug but bug xD When you duck and reloading mp5 weapon there is no sound !! reloading sound of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog_day_sunrise Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 The ammo counter for my weapons on GTA IV has vanished since I installed the new patch. Anyone else experienced similar issues? Retail DVD version installed, with absolutely no modifications, Athlon X2 5000+, Gainward 8800GTX, Windows XP32 and 2GB DDR800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenova Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 VISTA USERS I found another helpful tip. The Vista Sidebar has a huge influence on GTA IV. With the Sidebar active, even minimised it will have a varying impact on the game. Including but not limited to; Sluggish performance, low frame rates and/or missing textures. This is because the sidebar uses up vram as does the Areo environment, however only disabling and quitting the Sidebar is sufficient to gain better frame rates and performance as Areo is automatically disabled when GTA IV is running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenova Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) !!! I forgot to add this bug what i`ve found , well it`s old bug but bug xD When you duck and reloading mp5 weapon there is no sound !! reloading sound of course I haven't encountered that issue myself yet, ill give it a try see if i can recreate it The ammo counter for my weapons on GTA IV has vanished since I installed the new patch. Anyone else experienced similar issues? Retail DVD version installed, with absolutely no modifications, Athlon X2 5000+, Gainward 8800GTX, Windows XP32 and 2GB DDR800 Are you launching with the disc in the drive? Have you tried reinstalling the game and only applying the 1.0.2.0 patch via LIVE? Edited January 27, 2009 by Xenova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodooman Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Dude, u just won "COPY AND PASTE" Reward) now is my turn to copy and paste))) ROCKSTAR TORONTO, PLEASE DO NOT ACT LIKE U DIDNT SEEN ALL THESE REPORTS ABOUT REMOVED OBJECTS AND ANSWER TO THIS POST AND TELL US IF THIS WILL BE RESTORED IN NEXT PATCH: So far the vendors I never see anymore are the one in front of the motorcycle shop in Alderney, and the one here -> pic location I have come back at different times of day and still don't see them. That said, there are still some vendors in my game, and those that are have been there any time I went to visit them. The other missing objects (benches, cones, concrete dividers, metal dividers/gate things) are in all sorts of places. In the first and second pic there should be all sorts of objects that make up the construction/road work area. Oddly there is still a ped there with a sign directing you around the now non-existent construction. In the third pic there should be benches in that oval in the background, as well as some metal dividers/gates just outside the fence. A picture of the area in my third pic that someone took for comparison. There are also missing objects on the road below that, as you come out of the tunnel there should be some orange traffic cones (they aren't really cones, as they are cylindrical, but I'm not sure what they're called.) That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livilaNic Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 ...and these...^^ http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1563/bi...yke74584lg8.jpg http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9443/chairlesstw9.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenova Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Dude, u just won "COPY AND PASTE" Reward) now is my turn to copy and paste))) ROCKSTAR TORONTO, PLEASE DO NOT ACT LIKE U DIDNT SEEN ALL THESE REPORTS ABOUT REMOVED OBJECTS AND ANSWER TO THIS POST AND TELL US IF THIS WILL BE RESTORED IN NEXT PATCH: Sorry, what did i copy'n'paste? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWEETSAPRIK Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 While there are obviously problems that need to be worked on, we should remember that the person who is posting under the Rockstar Toronto account didn't code the whole damn game. Posting in big letters and being hostile really isn't going to help anyone with anything. I have to hope that the issues we bring up here are being relayed to the people who can do something about it, and now that they've been made aware of them they are working on the problems. To be honest, while I'm not exactly thrilled with the experience I'm having with this game on PC (as compared to console), I am thankful that someone actually took the time to come here, make an account, and try to both hear what problems we're having, and hopefully fix them at some point. Also, the more constructive posts that are made in this section the better. The more posts that are made here that share no new information, and are not constructive, the more crap they have to sift through. PяopagaиdaIиc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenova Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) While there are obviously problems that need to be worked on, we should remember that the person who is posting under the Rockstar Toronto account didn't code the whole damn game. Posting in big letters and being hostile really isn't going to help anyone with anything. I have to hope that the issues we bring up here are being relayed to the people who can do something about it, and now that they've been made aware of them they are working on the problems. To be honest, while I'm not exactly thrilled with the experience I'm having with this game on PC (as compared to console), I am thankful that someone actually took the time to come here, make an account, and try to both hear what problems we're having, and hopefully fix them at some point. Also, the more constructive posts that are made in this section the better. The more posts that are made here that share no new information, and are not constructive, the more crap they have to sift through. Personally I would like to thank the member from Rockstar Technical support for offering advice. They have answered many of the questions I have previously posted so +karma to them. It is clear that the issues we have been talking about have been noticed and looked into as they were able to come back with information on the Computer and TV interaction problems, that would suggest someone looked into it. I've been fiddling with the game setting and commandlines all day and I have just managed to get it stable again with reasonable frame rates with no particular errors after reinstalling. It just takes patience and determination to iron out crashes and the like. And im sure a team of technicians at Rockstar are working on another patch to fix other known errors. Rockstar continue to have my support. Edited January 27, 2009 by Xenova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaspersky Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) Xenova- TV interaction? can you please desctibe the issue? Does it related to "crack"? Does it happened to you after you installed patch 1.0.2? Does the issue that vendors not present on the streets occur to you after you installed patch 1.0.2? Edited January 27, 2009 by kaspersky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 My game crashes randomly sometimes. Didn't happen in previous patch. GTANet | Red Dead Network | black lives matter | stop Asian hate | trans lives = human lives the beginning is moments ago, the end is moments away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenova Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) Xenova- TV interaction? can you please desctibe the issue?Does it related to "crack"? Does it happened to you after you installed patch 1.0.2? Does the issue that vendors not present on the streets occur to you after you installed patch 1.0.2? The TV and computer interaction fail and vendors disappear under some circumstances when the game is patched from 1.0.1.0 to 1.0.2.0, the result is that the TV's and Computers are totally inaccessible to the player, no matter how many times LB (360 controller) or E (keyboard) is pressed. If you are using the game in the drive and no modified loader application and you are getting this issue, you should try and reinstall the game and patch straight to 1.0.2.0 this cleans up the problem. If you are using a 'cracked' or modified loader application / no-cd patch, then you will not be able to access the TV's and Computers and also vendors may be missing or hard to find even if you re-install the game. I've tested this out for everyone here. My game crashes randomly sometimes. Didn't happen in previous patch. What are you in-game graphics settings? Please post a screenie if possible so we can see your graphical settings. Are you using any commandline arguments? Edited January 27, 2009 by Xenova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockstar Toronto Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 The ammo counter for my weapons on GTA IV has vanished since I installed the new patch. Anyone else experienced similar issues? Retail DVD version installed, with absolutely no modifications, Athlon X2 5000+, Gainward 8800GTX, Windows XP32 and 2GB DDR800 This only occurs if you run the benchmark tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nillansan Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 If you are using a 'cracked' or modified loader application / no-cd patch, then you will not be able to access the TV's and Computers and also vendors may be missing or hard to find even if you re-install the game. I've tested this out for everyone here. Hi again Xenova, I am certainly not using any crack or modified loader application, I can perfectly interact with the TV and the computers, but I am still missing a lot of objects in the game (not only vendors). Thanks again for helping out I sure hope that Rockstar will look into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenova Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) If you are using a 'cracked' or modified loader application / no-cd patch, then you will not be able to access the TV's and Computers and also vendors may be missing or hard to find even if you re-install the game. I've tested this out for everyone here. Hi again Xenova, I am certainly not using any crack or modified loader application, I can perfectly interact with the TV and the computers, but I am still missing a lot of objects in the game (not only vendors). Thanks again for helping out I sure hope that Rockstar will look into this. If you reinstall the game and patch through LIVE to 1.0.2.0 it should correct the missing textures, if its things like seats, bins and the like. EDIT: OOOH just noticed in your sig that youve managed to beat me with your q9550 OC Nice! Edited January 28, 2009 by Xenova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nillansan Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 If you are using a 'cracked' or modified loader application / no-cd patch, then you will not be able to access the TV's and Computers and also vendors may be missing or hard to find even if you re-install the game. I've tested this out for everyone here. Hi again Xenova, I am certainly not using any crack or modified loader application, I can perfectly interact with the TV and the computers, but I am still missing a lot of objects in the game (not only vendors). Thanks again for helping out I sure hope that Rockstar will look into this. If you reinstall the game and patch through LIVE to 1.0.2.0 it should correct the missing textures, if its things like seats, bins and the like. EDIT: OOOH just noticed in your sig that youve managed to beat me with your q9550 OC Nice! It's not textures I am missing but actual objects, but I am assuming thats what meant. Yeah I am going to try re-installing the game as you told me to. Hehe thanks, I've still got more room for OC'ing actually, the Thermalright UE heatsink is a beast! Your setup is impressive too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenova Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) If you are using a 'cracked' or modified loader application / no-cd patch, then you will not be able to access the TV's and Computers and also vendors may be missing or hard to find even if you re-install the game. I've tested this out for everyone here. Hi again Xenova, I am certainly not using any crack or modified loader application, I can perfectly interact with the TV and the computers, but I am still missing a lot of objects in the game (not only vendors). Thanks again for helping out I sure hope that Rockstar will look into this. If you reinstall the game and patch through LIVE to 1.0.2.0 it should correct the missing textures, if its things like seats, bins and the like. EDIT: OOOH just noticed in your sig that youve managed to beat me with your q9550 OC Nice! It's not textures I am missing but actual objects, but I am assuming thats what meant. Yeah I am going to try re-installing the game as you told me to. Hehe thanks, I've still got more room for OC'ing actually, the Thermalright UE heatsink is a beast! Your setup is impressive too Yes that's what i meant, i'm kinda tired though! Let us know how you make out with reinstalling the game and patching. Remember, if you've made any progress in the game, when the uninstaller asks to delete user files, click no or you'll have to start the game over. You may want to try your uninstaller! 2008, which is free for 30 days to get rid of those pesky registry keys programs leave behind. Yes, i like! Thanks, I could get a bit more out of mine, but its fast enough at the moment, and i don't really want to raise the vcore until i have to, As i'm stable at 1600mhz fsb matching my ddr3 memory speed, at stock voltage, amazingly! Though any faster than 3.49GHz i need to pump a little more juice into the CPU. Edited January 28, 2009 by Xenova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G3Teg01 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Well i own an original copy of the game but like many people i resort to "game fixes" so that i do not have to keep sticking in CD's\DVD's in order to play. I never really had any of the problems most people here have or had like crashing or slow framerates. i always use a 1920x1080 res with everything on high or medium with around 40fps dipping into 23-25 around heavily populated ares. now with patch 1.2 i have even better fps i CAN still use all the tvs in my safehouses(not like i ever used them anyway) but i can't use the computers like everyone else ive barely made it to the 3rd city so does anyone know if any of th other mission after that requires accessing a computer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punisher.ita Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 This, big, when playing COPS vs THIEVES: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkrockdude Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I noticed something else, but I'm not sure its a bug. Is it possible the physics are completely altered during missions? When on missions involving carchases, I allways found the car I was chasing to drive a bit weird. The care you chase allways makes very sharp corners, as if completely scripted. Now this by itself isn't really a problem, it just looks weird. But I also noticed AI cars start driving very strange. I've seen them speed up to impossible speeds, I've seen them hit other cars and start flying (as if they were a plane for 5-10 seconds). It all just looked incredibly "fake"... Recently I did a mission for the assassin (I think it was for him), which consisted out of a car chase through some narrow streets and tight corners in alderney. I'm sure the crashes and buildings partially coming down and stuff were scripted, and they looked awesome, but even after the mission was done, cars were driving like maniacs and crashed in the strangest fashions for a while . It also seems physics revert back to normal step by step, and it takes a few minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenova Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Well i own an original copy of the game but like many people i resort to "game fixes" so that i do not have to keep sticking in CD's\DVD's in order to play. I never really had any of the problems most people here have or had like crashing or slow framerates. i always use a 1920x1080 res with everything on high or medium with around 40fps dipping into 23-25 around heavily populated ares. now with patch 1.2 i have even better fps i CAN still use all the tvs in my safehouses(not like i ever used them anyway) but i can't use the computers like everyone else ive barely made it to the 3rd city so does anyone know if any of th other mission after that requires accessing a computer ? Yes, in some mission the use of the in-game computers is an integral part of the mission and you will not be able to complete the mission without successful interaction with it. I second your opinion on the fact that people would much rather just click and play than stick disc in drive, wait 30 seconds then click and play and worry about scratching the disc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenova Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I noticed something else, but I'm not sure its a bug. Is it possible the physics are completely altered during missions? When on missions involving carchases, I allways found the car I was chasing to drive a bit weird. The care you chase allways makes very sharp corners, as if completely scripted. Now this by itself isn't really a problem, it just looks weird. But I also noticed AI cars start driving very strange. I've seen them speed up to impossible speeds, I've seen them hit other cars and start flying (as if they were a plane for 5-10 seconds). It all just looked incredibly "fake"... Recently I did a mission for the assassin (I think it was for him), which consisted out of a car chase through some narrow streets and tight corners in alderney. I'm sure the crashes and buildings partially coming down and stuff were scripted, and they looked awesome, but even after the mission was done, cars were driving like maniacs and crashed in the strangest fashions for a while . It also seems physics revert back to normal step by step, and it takes a few minutes. I noted that during missions car chases, typically the car your chasing takes very sharp angles too. I would say its scripting, and its no different to that of San Andreas which has the same sharp angles taken by the AI cars. However I've not come across what you described on the streets. The only 'unreal' encounter I can remember is flying out of the booth tunnel on a motorbike (on the wrong side of the road obviously) and smacking into an on coming sanitation truck. Well i came off, but i didn't expect to be launched over 100ft into the air above buildings and power lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenova Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Rockstar, I've found some interesting behaviour in game with regard to performance. When driving, with reasonable settings, the picture can seem jumpy. I run around 30-45fps most of the time. Now if you use the rear view, there seems some strange behaviour as the frame rate suddenly will go all the way up to 50-60fps and look incredibly smooth, for me that is. the same effect can be created when walking around and using the rear look button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkrockdude Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Rockstar, I've found some interesting behaviour in game with regard to performance. When driving, with reasonable settings, the picture can seem jumpy. I run around 30-45fps most of the time. Now if you use the rear view, there seems some strange behaviour as the frame rate suddenly will go all the way up to 50-60fps and look incredibly smooth, for me that is. the same effect can be created when walking around and using the rear look button. i think the most logical reason for this is: you only view "world" which has already been generated, because when viewing backwards, all "new" world is generated behind your view (in front of your car). So the game doesn't have to render the generated world immediately, but only when you've driven past it. or something like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenova Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Rockstar, I've found some interesting behaviour in game with regard to performance. When driving, with reasonable settings, the picture can seem jumpy. I run around 30-45fps most of the time. Now if you use the rear view, there seems some strange behaviour as the frame rate suddenly will go all the way up to 50-60fps and look incredibly smooth, for me that is. the same effect can be created when walking around and using the rear look button. i think the most logical reason for this is: you only view "world" which has already been generated, because when viewing backwards, all "new" world is generated behind your view (in front of your car). So the game doesn't have to render the generated world immediately, but only when you've driven past it. or something like that... You know what, i totally overlooked that! Yes that sure seems a logical explanation. Thanks. Though I've also found that like running the benchmark, after uploading a video, you cannot see your wanted level any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkrockdude Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Rockstar, I've found some interesting behaviour in game with regard to performance. When driving, with reasonable settings, the picture can seem jumpy. I run around 30-45fps most of the time. Now if you use the rear view, there seems some strange behaviour as the frame rate suddenly will go all the way up to 50-60fps and look incredibly smooth, for me that is. the same effect can be created when walking around and using the rear look button. i think the most logical reason for this is: you only view "world" which has already been generated, because when viewing backwards, all "new" world is generated behind your view (in front of your car). So the game doesn't have to render the generated world immediately, but only when you've driven past it. or something like that... You know what, i totally overlooked that! Yes that sure seems a logical explanation. Thanks. Though I've also found that like running the benchmark, after uploading a video, you cannot see your wanted level any more. no need for wanted level: 100% health: wanted level < 3 75-100% health: wanted level 3 or 4 25-50% health: wanted level < 6 dead: wanted level6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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