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SlappingOysters

Huge GTA IV: The Lost and the Damned Hands-on

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the_regular_guy
so damn that means we canrt use the new vehicles in nikos story

We'll have access to all previous vehicles plus some new ones.

Not in Niko's story, his side of the game will apparently be unchanged.

So no new stuff for Niko.

 

 

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so damn that means we canrt use the new vehicles in nikos story

We'll have access to all previous vehicles plus some new ones.

No we won't monocle.gif ! All the new content is only accessible via Johnny's story. Read this stuff up before making up nonfactual posts. I could give you a link to the many sources of this, but that would be wasting allot of my time. Maybe instead of people like me having to dig up all the dirt all the time, maybe you can actually check this stuff up yourself next time wink.gif .

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I don't understand... how can you change from Niko to Johnny and vice versa?

The DLC makes me feel the hype I had of GTA IV when it came out last year on April 29th!

R* really has outdid themselves!

 

GTA IV & The Lost and Damned = seperate games. The only thing they have in common is that they both require the GTA IV disc to play. A menu comes up once you put the GTA IV disc in and you choose which game you want to load up. It's as simple as that.

 

And I agree completely. I'm stupidly exited about TLAD. But then again, I've been overly exited about the whole thing ever since the first details were announced biggrin.gif

That ruins a bit of GTA. There shouldn't be a menu in the game.

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That ruins a bit of GTA. There shouldn't be a menu in the game.

It's only on start up; I don't see how that ruins the game anymore than to say the loading screen on start up does. I hope you can change between Johnny and Niko via the phone, saving to have to load the game up through the menu; nice and seamless is how I like it. I think it may have been mentioned in one of the previews that it can done like this, but I'm not too sure.

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Mae King Fuch

 

I don't understand... how can you change from Niko to Johnny and vice versa?

The DLC makes me feel the hype I had of GTA IV when it came out last year on April 29th!

R* really has outdid themselves!

 

GTA IV & The Lost and Damned = seperate games. The only thing they have in common is that they both require the GTA IV disc to play. A menu comes up once you put the GTA IV disc in and you choose which game you want to load up. It's as simple as that.

 

And I agree completely. I'm stupidly exited about TLAD. But then again, I've been overly exited about the whole thing ever since the first details were announced biggrin.gif

That ruins a bit of GTA. There shouldn't be a menu in the game.

your shnerious?!? mercie_blink.gif how exactly does it "ruin" it for ya?

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i like coffee enemas

 

I don't understand... how can you change from Niko to Johnny and vice versa?

The DLC makes me feel the hype I had of GTA IV when it came out last year on April 29th!

R* really has outdid themselves!

 

GTA IV & The Lost and Damned = seperate games. The only thing they have in common is that they both require the GTA IV disc to play. A menu comes up once you put the GTA IV disc in and you choose which game you want to load up. It's as simple as that.

 

And I agree completely. I'm stupidly exited about TLAD. But then again, I've been overly exited about the whole thing ever since the first details were announced biggrin.gif

That ruins a bit of GTA. There shouldn't be a menu in the game.

 

Haha, well it's not my fault. I didn't make it tounge.gif

 

It makes sense to load it up that way anyway because it is essentially still GTA IV. It's not a completely seperate game.

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Nightwing 0613

All these PS3 fanboys whinning over the DLC & blaming Microsoft seem to forget that it's not Microsoft's fault at all. Sony refused to fork over any money for DLC.

 

All you PS3 fanboys need to STFU and deal with it. Like someone else mentioned...you don't see us talking crap and whinning over all those exclusive games you guys have. Uncharted, MGS4, God of War 3, Killzone 2, etc...

 

Also last time i checked, you PS3 fanboys got both GTA Stories on PSP & PS2. None of these games were ever ported to xbox. Yet you didn't see us whine over that either.

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That ruins a bit of GTA. There shouldn't be a menu in the game.

It's only on start up; I don't see how that ruins the game anymore than to say the loading screen on start up does. I hope you can change between Johnny and Niko via the phone, saving to have to load the game up through the menu; nice and seamless is how I like it. I think it may have been mentioned in one of the previews that it can done like this, but I'm not too sure.

You can switch games through loading saves via the "Game" subscreen on the pause menu.

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the_regular_guy
I hope you can change between Johnny and Niko via the phone...

I think it may have been mentioned in one of the previews that it can done like this...

No, none of the previews have mention that.

 

 

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I hope you can change between Johnny and Niko via the phone...

I think it may have been mentioned in one of the previews that it can done like this...

No, none of the previews have mention that.

Nor have they mentioned anything about switching character, so maybe you can do that via phone

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AnotherDave

Didn't one of the preview say that The Lost and Damned wasn't accessed through the phone? Alex is right, you'll be able to access IV and TL&D through the pause menu.

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gamesguru

OK, thanks for the heads-up guys icon14.gif .

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ChocolateThunder

I find the fact Johnny is said to run considerably slower than Niko a bit disconcerting. Niko wasn't exactly Jesse Owens himself, you know.

 

Other than that, though, this DLC sounds pretty damn exciting.

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•Eagle-eyed gamers would have noticed that Johnny’s character in the original GTA IV was far more detailed than most of the bit part players, which Rockstar believe was the biggest hint that he would end up starring in the DLC. Is there a second character in GTA IV that has similar attention to detail who may star in the second episode? You tell us below!

 

 

My guess would be Phil Bell, as you dont know what happens to him after he stops talking to Niko

I think it's that Luis guy. He's got his own model name and has appeared in a few missions, similarily to how Johnny did.

(Luis is the guy that is on the floor in the Bank Job mission. The 'Hero' talks to him.)

If anyone is going to be the next protagonist, it'll be Luis.

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Rick234

 

I think it's that Luis guy. He's got his own model name and has appeared in a few missions, similarily to how Johnny did.

(Luis is the guy that is on the floor in the Bank Job mission. The 'Hero' talks to him.)

If anyone is going to be the next protagonist, it'll be Luis.

 

Yeah I agree, the 2nd dlc will almost definetly star Luis. He's just like Johnny in the sense that he only pops up a few times in Niko's story... also, the 'Impossible Trinity' achievement at the end of Museum Piece is a pretty big give away.

 

The thing is though, I killed Luis for fun at the start of the Bank Heist mission, so how is he alive later on? biggrin.gif

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I think it's that Luis guy. He's got his own model name and has appeared in a few missions, similarily to how Johnny did.

(Luis is the guy that is on the floor in the Bank Job mission. The 'Hero' talks to him.)

If anyone is going to be the next protagonist, it'll be Luis.

 

Yeah I agree, the 2nd dlc will almost definetly star Luis. He's just like Johnny in the sense that he only pops up a few times in Niko's story... also, the 'Impossible Trinity' achievement at the end of Museum Piece is a pretty big give away.

 

The thing is though, I killed Luis for fun at the start of the Bank Heist mission, so how is he alive later on? biggrin.gif

Ahh good point I guess ay. Hmm.

Well maybe it will be his story from a certain point up until the Museum Piece mission...or a What If scenario can take place. I'unno.

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simkas

This DLC looks awesome, but I still wanna know if it's coming to PC. I mean, PS3 is made by Sony and sony didn't pay anything to get the DLC. Microsoft did pay to get it and the 360 is getting it, but Mircosoft also owns Games for Windows Live, which means they should already have the rights to release the DLC for PC. I think the chances of the DLC coming to PC are much higher than the chances of it coming to the PS3.

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The thing is though, I killed Luis for fun at the start of the Bank Heist mission, so how is he alive later on? biggrin.gif

Killing Luis fails the mission.

 

Interestingly enough, if you do "Three Leaf Clover" and return to the bank after escaping the subway, Luis is the only person there, still cowering on the floor. There might also be some employees behind the counter, but they are acting normally. There are no other hostages though, just Luis. I thought that was interesting.

 

You can also "reset" that mission incidently... Go back to the bank, fire a few bullets, and all the police are back again, and the dialogue resets... mercie_blink.gif

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Azazel

 

This DLC looks awesome, but I still wanna know if it's coming to PC. I mean, PS3 is made by Sony and sony didn't pay anything to get the DLC. Microsoft did pay to get it and the 360 is getting it, but Mircosoft also owns Games for Windows Live, which means they should already have the rights to release the DLC for PC. I think the chances of the DLC coming to PC are much higher than the chances of it coming to the PS3.

Microsoft are hoping to sell some consoles. If they were to release the DLC for PC, they would forfeit that profit. Here's a few scenarios:

  • PC users that are still contemplating purchasing GTA IV might be lured by the DLC, which would result in a larger sale of original IV copies, and possible PC hardware upgrades. No cash for Microsoft.
  • Xbox 360 users that own a PC capable of running IV, would most likely opt for the PC DLC. No cash for Microsoft.
Rockstar are happy - they recieved payment they deemed to be compareable to the potential profit from the extra GTA IV copies they would have sold if they released a multi-platform-DLC, and they saved the added development expenses.

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Rick234

 

Killing Luis fails the mission.

Oh really? My bad. I could've sworn I shot him in the back of the head before legging it outside.

 

 

This DLC looks awesome, but I still wanna know if it's coming to PC. I mean, PS3 is made by Sony and sony didn't pay anything to get the DLC. Microsoft did pay to get it and the 360 is getting it, but Mircosoft also owns Games for Windows Live, which means they should already have the rights to release the DLC for PC. I think the chances of the DLC coming to PC are much higher than the chances of it coming to the PS3.

 

Alot of people are convinced that it never be released on any platform other than the 360. But I just can't imagine these episodes staying exclusive to the Xbox forever. GTA is too popular on all platforms.

 

Kikizo:

"Although this downloadable content is Xbox 360 exclusive for now, it wouldn't surprise us to see it turn up for PS3 and eventually PC at some point. Sony execs have dropped hints - albeit very cryptically - and pretty much all third party 'exclusives' these days are really just 'timed exclusives'. In fact, if the top-secret second episode doesn't take too long to see release (we asked - Rockstar has no news for us at this stage), perhaps the supposed GTA 'retail release' that hit the rumour mill earlier this month is actually a boxed edition of Episode 1 and 2."

 

Total speculation though.

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I think it's that Luis guy. He's got his own model name and has appeared in a few missions, similarily to how Johnny did.

(Luis is the guy that is on the floor in the Bank Job mission. The 'Hero' talks to him.)

If anyone is going to be the next protagonist, it'll be Luis.

 

Yeah I agree, the 2nd dlc will almost definetly star Luis. He's just like Johnny in the sense that he only pops up a few times in Niko's story... also, the 'Impossible Trinity' achievement at the end of Museum Piece is a pretty big give away.

 

The thing is though, I killed Luis for fun at the start of the Bank Heist mission, so how is he alive later on? biggrin.gif

Gordon might star DLC 2. Seems as detailed as Luis for a minor character.

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Rick234

 

Gordon might star DLC 2. Seems as detailed as Luis for a minor character.

True, but that may be because he was in one of the trailers... "So you in big guy?..."

Guess it could be anyone though...?

 

Oh btw I just checked and you can kill Luis and go on to finish the mission, after the cops rock up I shot the sh*t outta him and nothing happened... the mission just played out as normal.

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Killing Luis fails the mission.

Oh really? My bad. I could've sworn I shot him in the back of the head before legging it outside.

He has a ton of health. If you shoot him once, then he flops a bit, which makes him look dead, but he really isn't. Maybe that's what happened.

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Killing Luis fails the mission.

Oh really? My bad. I could've sworn I shot him in the back of the head before legging it outside.

He has a ton of health. If you shoot him once, then he flops a bit, which makes him look dead, but he really isn't. Maybe that's what happened.

I can assure you if you kill Luis, you don't fail the mission. I did that and I didn't fail the mission. I used my m4 carbine.

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AnotherDave

Luis is 100% killable. After four grenades and more holes filled with something hard than your average porn star convention, he was certainly dead.

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JOSEPH X

I think the bank heist is mos def gonna be the basis of the opening credits to DLC 2. Well, hope so anyway.

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VickeX
I think the bank heist is mos def gonna be the basis of the opening credits to DLC 2. Well, hope so anyway.

Damn, is the second DLC even announced to be the same kind like the first is? I haven't heard anything about it. Is it confirmed by Rockstar that the second DLC will be like TLAD, with new missions and such?

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Nico Bellic
I think the bank heist is mos def gonna be the basis of the opening credits to DLC 2. Well, hope so anyway.

Damn, is the second DLC even announced to be the same kind like the first is? I haven't heard anything about it. Is it confirmed by Rockstar that the second DLC will be like TLAD, with new missions and such?

well it will include new missions and surely new stuff but its not confirmed that the main character is going to be different ,i mean it could continue with Niko or who knows maybe Johnny again.I think Niko's story isn't finished yet so i'm not gonna be surprised if the second DLC we will be playing as Niko,i actually want to play with him again ,i think he is the perfect protagonist and he has a great story...

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imthatkiwiguy

I don't know why you guys are so concerned about the fact you can kill (injure) Luis, I mean youcan kill Niko and he just respawns back at the hospital, you can also kill your friends when you take them out and it just says you injured them and they are then back to fight another day! Also about the killing Luis and failing the mission thing, if you just kill Luis you won't fail but if you kill too many other innocent people you will cause once I almost killed all the people lying on the ground and I failed for killing too many innocent people.

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I think the bank heist is mos def gonna be the basis of the opening credits to DLC 2. Well, hope so anyway.

Damn, is the second DLC even announced to be the same kind like the first is? I haven't heard anything about it. Is it confirmed by Rockstar that the second DLC will be like TLAD, with new missions and such?

well it will include new missions and surely new stuff but its not confirmed that the main character is going to be different ,i mean it could continue with Niko or who knows maybe Johnny again.I think Niko's story isn't finished yet so i'm not gonna be surprised if the second DLC we will be playing as Niko,i actually want to play with him again ,i think he is the perfect protagonist and he has a great story...

i read in one of the previews that rockstar hinted that the next character is in gta 4, they are very detailed like jhonny. so the next protagonist is someone new.

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