copperwire93 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 (edited) yeah I know... titties lol you cried because of This just steal your btw you can spend your money to help people in Gaza (if you want) rather than spend them on ties Edited January 20, 2009 by copperwire93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSD T Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Wrong again, get a quad, oc it to 4Ghz, run the game - check the performance. Then disable two cores, using the same clock and GFX settings, run again - youll face the truth. GTA 4 has a great multi core optimization, itll use all four cores. There is no way out of this - whitout a quad you have a sh*t game experience playing this game. I already said I did at 3.8GHz on quad, and then mentioned earlier that the only when OC'd to 4GHz+ is a quad worth getting when gaming is your primary goal, my E8600 outperforms all my quads in gaming. A quad at 4 GHz will not give you better performance in 99.99% of games at the moment because only a very few are truly optimised for quadcore performance. I've owned quads for a few years now and am disappointed in the efforts of publishers to push this feature into their apps. GTAIV does not have "great multi core optimization", because it does not use all 4 cores to their limit, that is the very definition of inefficiency. My dualcore does not get maxed out. I struggle to see what you are arguing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 (edited) I struggle to see what you are arguing here. GTA 4 has a great multi core optimization, thats my point. It wont reach 100% cause running a 4Ghz oc quad the game may not need it, itll keep usage up to 90%, very different from running only two cores - itll reach 96 - 100% of usage always, plus a crappy FPS performance, including occasional stutter that simply wont exist when i run the four cores at 4Ghz (1680 x 1050 all maxed GFX settings). Edited January 20, 2009 by thales100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacMaan Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Yay yet another thread that has descended into a completely unrelated performance argument Lets get back on-topic to boobies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSD T Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Yay yet another thread that has descended into a completely unrelated performance argument Lets get back on-topic to boobies You are correct this has descended into farce. Check out the lills on this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 You are correct hehehe Back to topic eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperwire93 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Check out the lills on this one! I don't think i can take this anymore , i'm outta here, See you again my strange pal, vert101. Hope you will not talk about boobies blah...blah... on another thread Edit: I figured it out what vert101 stands for... it is pervert101 haha... that's why he always talk about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I am about to find out what real DRM bullsh*t is all about shortly. I broke my motherboard on Saturday while upgrading my CPU waterblock from a Thermaltake POS to a Swiftech. The backing plate of the Thermaltake was well stuck with some nasty adhesive and even while trying to get it off in a careful manner, things went tits up (thought I should keep slightly on topic about the titties here) and I now no longer have a functioning gaming PC at home. So no doubt I am going to have some bullsh*t now when I fire up the new motherboard with all the rest of my existing equipment and the DRM has a fit. The only upside was that I got an ASUS Striker II Extreme for the same price mt now f*cked Striker II NSE cost, kind of f*cked up my GFX card upgrade though as I will have to hold on a bit longer now. So thanks in advance to all pirating bastards for the joy that is DRM. You are a bunch of tits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo1508 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Dont worry, the pirates arent playing gta, they sailed back to better games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Dont worry, the pirates arent playing gta, they sailed back to better games. Yeah, only the ones who payed for the game are willing to go through the ordeal of getting it run properly. As to justify the investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disposeablehero Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 (edited) Sorry, so much BS in this thread, for one, anyone who thinks piracy and blaming devs for piracy is a moron. The better the game the more its get pirated. People here say PC development is more expensive, FALSE, PC is open source, anyone can develop for it, many independnt games have gone on to get quite popular (Penumbra). Consoles you have to pay royalties, and pay to be a 360 or PS3 certified dev which costs hundreds of thosands, thus CP is always the home of new independant devs like Crytek, CDProject, GSC, they eventually move to console and PC for more money but new ones arrive for PC, it's a cycle. Anyone can develop for PC, consoels are diominated by big name publishers, PC, anyone can develop for. many people can afford a high end gaming rig never buy games because they don't have to and not worry about getting caught (I know several at my office alone), so not all, but MANY people who pirate would buy if they had no choice, not like they would all of a sudden stop gaming, stop kidding yuorself. it is amazing the lengths people go to defend piracy. Piracy is not killing PC gaming as it is actually growing and a big market< BUT, it is contributing to a lack of exclusives and it being treated as an after thought by many devs who were once very PC focused. It does effect Sales. The pc market is Huge, nvidia alone sold over 4 million 8800 GPU's, thats not even including ATI and other high end GPU's, the issue is many people with high end rigs steal their games, I recently convinced a buddy of mine who upgrade once a year to buy The witcher, he hasn't bought a PC game in 3 years, yet he has over 40 Pc games. There are many like him unfortunately. If piracy were to be impossible Pc sales would increase, not everyone who pirated would buym burt many wouldm do yuo expect people to believe that these people who can afford rigs to play the newest demanding games would all of a sudden stop their hobbies? LOL, moronic argument. After saying this, Pc gaming is not dieing, it is just not at the forefront like it used to be, there are many less PC exclusives then years ago, we now get more ports that do nothing to take advantage of the betetr hardware and platform, which is a shame as console are holding back innovation on some levels. piracy was having an effect on the Pc market way before DRM, DRM came about because of piracy, so another dumb argument. Edited January 20, 2009 by disposeablehero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickymaddness Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 People here say PC development is more expensive, FALSE, PC is open source, anyone can develop for it, many independnt games have gone on to get quite popular (Penumbra). Consoles you have to pay royalties, and pay to be a 360 or PS3 certified dev which costs hundreds of thosands, thus CP is always the home of new independant devs like Crytek, CDProject, GSC, they eventually move to console and PC for more money but new ones arrive for PC, it's a cycle. Anyone can develop for PC, consoels are diominated by big name publishers, PC, anyone can develop for. Regardless of whether it is or is not more expensive, PC game development is NOT open source if it is then why isn't there GTA IV for linux native? GTA IV was developed for xbox (yes and ps3) originally, so it's pretty likely that Rockstar used Visual Studio - Hefty license fees for their dev team. Secondly I doubt they're using mspaint for the artwork and graphics of the game - 3D modeling software costs money. These are just two examples of tools that are required to create a game like GTA IV. Yes yes there are free open source game development tools but the fact is they aren't being used to develop big name titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico_bellic Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 piracy was having an effect on the Pc market way before DRM, DRM came about because of piracy, so another dumb argument. But we all know that DRM can be cracked now. Spore, Red Alert 3, GTA 4 and other games are just failed copy protection. So there's no point for dev still using this protection. Because it is only scare legal buyers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disposeablehero Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 (edited) piracy was having an effect on the Pc market way before DRM, DRM came about because of piracy, so another dumb argument. But we all know that DRM can be cracked now. Spore, Red Alert 3, GTA 4 and other games are just failed copy protection. So there's no point for dev still using this protection. Because it is only scare legal buyers What's your point? I never said DRm could not be cracked, lol. The point is some morons are saying DRm causes piracy, well then, Piracy was huge before DRm, and will be after, another dumb point. Edited January 20, 2009 by disposeablehero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disposeablehero Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 People here say PC development is more expensive, FALSE, PC is open source, anyone can develop for it, many independnt games have gone on to get quite popular (Penumbra). Consoles you have to pay royalties, and pay to be a 360 or PS3 certified dev which costs hundreds of thosands, thus CP is always the home of new independant devs like Crytek, CDProject, GSC, they eventually move to console and PC for more money but new ones arrive for PC, it's a cycle. Anyone can develop for PC, consoels are diominated by big name publishers, PC, anyone can develop for. Regardless of whether it is or is not more expensive, PC game development is NOT open source if it is then why isn't there GTA IV for linux native? GTA IV was developed for xbox (yes and ps3) originally, so it's pretty likely that Rockstar used Visual Studio - Hefty license fees for their dev team. Secondly I doubt they're using mspaint for the artwork and graphics of the game - 3D modeling software costs money. These are just two examples of tools that are required to create a game like GTA IV. Yes yes there are free open source game development tools but the fact is they aren't being used to develop big name titles. You ignored the fact that consoels have huge royalties and you need to become a console certified dev, it is easier for independant devs to start on PC (Valve, Crytek, GSC, etc..) then go to console once they have the cash. GSC gameworld (Stalker) only recently became a 360 dev and received a dev kit as they never had the cash before, it is much easier and cheaper for start up devs to start on Pc then migrate, thus you always see them start on PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameischarlie Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I've been a PC-only gamer since the early 90's. The thing I think is hurting more than anything else is DRMs. I dont fault gamemakers for wanting to prevent people from stealing their work. But it's grown from entering that code on the back cover of your game to the DRMs of today, which can at the very least be a nuisance and at most be downright dangerous. There was even a game I had to uninstall because it had to connect online everytime I launched it even for singleplayer and somehow it did something that caused intermittent DCs. Uninstalling the game = internet problem solved. What's really dirt in the face is after buying a legit copy of a game and enduring whatever pain the drm might have caused, their's almost always a hack out there that will undo it with a single click for those who decided to steal it and probably even disable the required internet/CD/limited installs, giving them a better version than the one I paid money for. If users can find working hacks to protected games just by googling the name then what was the point of the drm in the first place? I even tripped over supposed hacks for this very game just looking for a trainer to disable the police, which i found here. Sorry for the rant. It just tears at me to see this happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koronin Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Dont worry, the pirates arent playing gta, they sailed back to better games. Yeah, only the ones who payed for the game are willing to go through the ordeal of getting it run properly. As to justify the investment. I used the RAZOR version to evaluate how it would run on my PC. I then upgraded to a Q6600 ($180) and bought the game at Target last weekend after seeing that the performance gain I got from a low-end C2D to the Q6600. I believe in try before you buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splattel Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Is piracy killing the PC gaming industry? No, the sh*tty games and the even sh*ttier ports of games are killing PC-gaming. No one wants to buy uninspired, half-assed games, nor will they buy ports of good games if they're so badly done no one in the world can run them acceptably on their hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disposeablehero Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Is piracy killing the PC gaming industry? No, the sh*tty games and the even sh*ttier ports of games are killing PC-gaming. No one wants to buy uninspired, half-assed games, nor will they buy ports of good games if they're so badly done no one in the world can run them acceptably on their hardware. Load of crap, explain why the better the game the mroe it gets pirated. More Bs excuses. 2007 and 2008 were some of the best eyars ever for games. I can run every game on the planet with ease, get your PC fixed. Pc games going back to the DOS days were always touch and go with performance die to many different rigs, that is no different today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 (edited) Is piracy killing the PC gaming industry? No, the sh*tty games and the even sh*ttier ports of games are killing PC-gaming. No one wants to buy uninspired, half-assed games, nor will they buy ports of good games if they're so badly done no one in the world can run them acceptably on their hardware. Load of crap, explain why the better the game the mroe it gets pirated. More Bs excuses. 2007 and 2008 were some of the best eyars ever for games. I can run every game on the planet with ease, get your PC fixed. Pc games going back to the DOS days were always touch and go with performance die to many different rigs, that is no different today. Hey, the pirates still have to get hold of the game to crack it. You can find practically any pc game cracked, you just have to know where to look. Yes the better games are MORE DOWNLOADED. People go to the store, oh hey I want this game, go home and look it up. DUH! It's also at the top of the list, NEW DOWNLOADS! Edited January 20, 2009 by ZaCkOX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udedenkz Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Piracy, - Go To Internet - Go To Site - Click Click Click - Type In Software - Click Click Click - Install - Play Pirating is as easy as signing into myspace and messenging your friend! What companies should be spending thousand dollars on is not SecuRom and DRM, but a few collage freshman guys to write "cease and decease" / "we gonna sue you if you don't take that down" letters to file sharing websites so they would take down the downloads. That would cut down piracy by a ton, as it would not be simple to pirate something. Also, GTAIV is not optimized for Core 2 Duo even - most software is not. If GTAIV was optimized for Core 2 Duo / Quad Setups then it would not run on a Pentium IV with Hyper Threading! Why? SSE3/SSSE3/SSE4.1 and EM64T ~ Core 2 Duo CPUs support a proader range of useful instruction sets. Now I am assuming that GTAIV uses SSE2 here, I don't know how to confirm or disprove that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Piracy,- Go To Internet - Go To Site - Click Click Click - Type In Software - Click Click Click - Install - Play Pirating is as easy as signing into myspace and messenging your friend! What companies should be spending thousand dollars on is not SecuRom and DRM, but a few collage freshman guys to write "cease and decease" / "we gonna sue you if you don't take that down" letters to file sharing websites so they would take down the downloads. That would cut down piracy by a ton, as it would not be simple to pirate something. Also, GTAIV is not optimized for Core 2 Duo even - most software is not. If GTAIV was optimized for Core 2 Duo / Quad Setups then it would not run on a Pentium IV with Hyper Threading! Why? SSE3/SSSE3/SSE4.1 and EM64T ~ Core 2 Duo CPUs support a proader range of useful instruction sets. Now I am assuming that GTAIV uses SSE2 here, I don't know how to confirm or disprove that. That's the new thing going around, people track the downloads and force the isp companies to write a personal letter "Please stop illegal downloading, or we will shut off your internet." But I find it funny , it's the same as please stop stealing cable, just a warning left and right. You can always go to another isp. Let's do something that will stop piracy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danat86 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Piracy,- Go To Internet - Go To Site - Click Click Click - Type In Software - Click Click Click - Install - Play Pirating is as easy as signing into myspace and messenging your friend! What companies should be spending thousand dollars on is not SecuRom and DRM, but a few collage freshman guys to write "cease and decease" / "we gonna sue you if you don't take that down" letters to file sharing websites so they would take down the downloads. That would cut down piracy by a ton, as it would not be simple to pirate something. Also, GTAIV is not optimized for Core 2 Duo even - most software is not. If GTAIV was optimized for Core 2 Duo / Quad Setups then it would not run on a Pentium IV with Hyper Threading! Why? SSE3/SSSE3/SSE4.1 and EM64T ~ Core 2 Duo CPUs support a proader range of useful instruction sets. Now I am assuming that GTAIV uses SSE2 here, I don't know how to confirm or disprove that. It seems that you don't understand the concept of today's piracy. They can't spend money on taking down the websites that provide links to pirated software because servers of these websites are located in other countries. They can't force hosting websites themselves, because those sites are hosting files, they can't stop people from uploading warez to their sites. They can't send emails to people to force them to stop downloading, because they will never know what they download. Most people don't use torrents anymore, it's much more sophisticated than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Piracy,- Go To Internet - Go To Site - Click Click Click - Type In Software - Click Click Click - Install - Play Pirating is as easy as signing into myspace and messenging your friend! What companies should be spending thousand dollars on is not SecuRom and DRM, but a few collage freshman guys to write "cease and decease" / "we gonna sue you if you don't take that down" letters to file sharing websites so they would take down the downloads. That would cut down piracy by a ton, as it would not be simple to pirate something. Also, GTAIV is not optimized for Core 2 Duo even - most software is not. If GTAIV was optimized for Core 2 Duo / Quad Setups then it would not run on a Pentium IV with Hyper Threading! Why? SSE3/SSSE3/SSE4.1 and EM64T ~ Core 2 Duo CPUs support a proader range of useful instruction sets. Now I am assuming that GTAIV uses SSE2 here, I don't know how to confirm or disprove that. It seems that you don't understand the concept of today's piracy. They can't spend money on taking down the websites that provide links to pirated software because servers of these websites are located in other countries. They can't force hosting websites themselves, because those sites are hosting files, they can't stop people from uploading warez to their sites. They can't send emails to people to force them to stop downloading, because they will never know what they download. Most people don't use torrents anymore, it's much more sophisticated than that. That theory is not new. TPB got taken down by the swis police ( I think or what ever something like that) and it was like a mafia thing when they did it. the videos are all over youtube. serach tpb takedown . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NecroViolator Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Swedish police... Just because you download any game/program/ISO from any Torrent doesnt mean your a pirate... Most stuff is free, some not... Even if you DL any game from a Torrent you still BUY a Activation key... Thats how Sacred 2 was distributed, on Torrents... It was a smart idea and works... Also, the criminals in Sweden are in charge... One criminal tried to knife a person/family and the family guy kicked his ass BUT he was jailed for to much force, just to protect his family... What a joke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishman82 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Swedish police... Just because you download any game/program/ISO from any Torrent doesnt mean your a pirate... Most stuff is free, some not... Even if you DL any game from a Torrent you still BUY a Activation key... Thats how Sacred 2 was distributed, on Torrents... It was a smart idea and works... Also, the criminals in Sweden are in charge... One criminal tried to knife a person/family and the family guy kicked his ass BUT he was jailed for to much force, just to protect his family... What a joke... It's not the downloading they bust you on though, it's the distribution to others. There was a one off case in the UK i think where some woman downloaded a crappy pinball game, she later bought the game and tried to give that as an excuse in court but it failed because the charge was 'distributing' the game to thousands of others. And when people leave a game downloading overnight that's exactly what the torrent program is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEKoner Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Things are simple. Show the last 2 releases of CoD games for PC Crysis and GTAIV PC. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 1 year old with nearly no copy protection = SELLS LIKE HELL UNTIL TODAY Call of Duty 5: World at War Realeased two month before. Securom and GfWL = Sells are not so good Crysis: Released last year. Securom and runs like crap with bad support = No on will have it today & big whining about piracy @ publisher and cyrytek GTA IV PC: Released last month. Securom, R* Spy Club, GfWL and sh*tty portation and bad support = Whining because of piracy and bad sells By the way. Peoples with consoles have buyed it eight month before and the ones that sold both versions in the past (console and pc version) will not do this time because it runs like sh*t on pc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacMaan Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 It's not the downloading they bust you on though, it's the distribution to others. There was a one off case in the UK i think where some woman downloaded a crappy pinball game, she later bought the game and tried to give that as an excuse in court but it failed because the charge was 'distributing' the game to thousands of others. And when people leave a game downloading overnight that's exactly what the torrent program is doing. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/...19/piracy.games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogs Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Things are simple. Show the last 2 releases of CoD games for PC Crysis and GTAIV PC. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 1 year old with nearly no copy protection = SELLS LIKE HELL UNTIL TODAY Call of Duty 5: World at War Realeased two month before. Securom and GfWL = Sells are not so good Crysis: Released last year. Securom and runs like crap with bad support = No on will have it today & big whining about piracy @ publisher and cyrytek GTA IV PC: Released last month. Securom, R* Spy Club, GfWL and sh*tty portation and bad support = Whining because of piracy and bad sells By the way. Peoples with consoles have buyed it eight month before and the ones that sold both versions in the past (console and pc version) will not do this time because it runs like sh*t on pc World at War doesnt have Securom and it isnt a GFW Live game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 whoops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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