PC piracy and gta4

January 19, 2009

YAARRRR!!! I BE YE SCURVY PIRATE! YAAAR!!!

Also downloading games is bad mmk?

January 19, 2009

wonder how much they make off web hits and tech support hotlines

January 19, 2009

The reason why it failed is because rockstar screwed it, they released a bugged version, where 7 out of 10 people couldn't play it. Piracy has nothing to do with low sales of GTA4 or other games for that matter.

And how can you explain that plenty of PC gamers didn't even going to buy this game? They don't know about technical issues, they want to play but don't want to pay even when GTA IV runs good on their PC's.

And they don't want to pay for perfect PC games like Assassin's Creed, HL2, GTASA, Crysis and others.

No, they don't have consoles. No, they're not poor. Yes, GTA IV on their PC's runs with 35 FPS. But they downloaded this great game. They are chuffs. Crackers and warez groups helped them.

So, yes. Piracy is one of the components of poor sales.

January 19, 2009

I currently dont have a fast enough PC to play GTA IV, but I have played it on the PS3 and saw what it looks like. For now, GTASA will be here to keep me having fun. GTASA is a brilliant game on the PC, who agrees? The basic formula is the same as GTA IV, minus the better graphics (but stylistically good enough graphics).

I just load a 100% save file into my GTASA and do some RPG gaming. Where I go on a road trip etc....

Then I can also try SA-MP etc....

I will probably play GTA IV when I upgrade my PC/buy a new one. That will be maybe 09 or 10.

What is the greatest value in GTA IV, is the story and production value. Any GTA fan wants to see the new GTA story. In terms of gameplay it went more to the slow side and more sim side. But its still one hell of a game:)

Rockstar already got their money on the consoles, the PC is an aditional snack.

Globally speaking, the GTA gameplay is getting repetitive if you ask me. But GTASA is great for getting lost in another world if you ask me. And no other videogame these days brings so much content, humour, writing, story like GTA IV does.

But that is also logical since the GTA series is one of the most selling videogame series of the 2000s and Rockstar have gotten alot of money from it, so they used it.

But if I was the head of Rockstar, for the next GTA I would maybe put it in Tokyo and use advice from Hideo Kojima on the gameplay, soundtrack by the best movie soundtrack people, bring back famous voice actors for voices, use all 50 Gigs on the PS3 blueray and the whole DVD-DL for the 360 and all that stuff. .....

In terms of ambience, GTA IV is the king like any other GTA. And that alone is reason enough to try a trip to Liberty City in 2008.

January 19, 2009

For those who say piracy isn't stealing, it is. It is stealing the sale of the game (assuming you don't end up buying it), away from the publisher.

NO Copyright Infringement / Violation is the real phrase but that isn't sexy enough, so theft is used by the PR people.

I've been a software developer so I'm opposed to people copying software. However, I also oppose the use of the term "theft" as it makes Copyright infringement sound more serious than it is. Having someone copy a piece of software is not as serious as someone stealing your car, your wallet or valuables from your house...

Finally you assume that the person who downloads a game from a torrent would have bought it. If they had no intention of buying it then how is downloading it depriving anyone of anything, the shopkeeper and R* wouldn't get money either way so where is the financial/material loss?

If they believe they will get it for free, of course they wont buy it. But if it was impossible to get for free then many would buy it. Get serious. Save 50 bucks or free......hmm...Ahole picks free.

You cant possibly believe everybody that gets a pirate copy wont buy the game if they couldnt get it free. Its all a matter of how much of a POS you are.

January 19, 2009

Well i will be pirating the next GTA if there is one. Not because i want to but its a matter of principle. They ripped me off when they took my money and sold me this mess. Hell i might even rip the next couple of GTA's. I garauntee im not the only person here who has been converted to piracy by Rockstar. Im simply providing my own refund.

Every excuse is a good one.. for all we know you might be having problems with the game because your Pc sucks or you cant use/maintain it.

Maybe you wont be pirating the next GTA on the PC because maybe they wont bother to release it if IV's sales are that bad.

The success of the game is not affected by piracy alone but also because of the steep system requirements, just like Crysis..

January 19, 2009

Software = livelihood/intellectual property of developers = how the devs put food on their table and keep the power on.

Software piracy = theft of livelihood = crime.

I am neutral when it comes to piracy because I believe software developers need to stop releasing half baked products and start spending more time on quality control and customer support. They need to release more demos for their products and they need to offer refunds on their product based on satisfaction. Instead they sell us buggy betas, that have no demo, their supports sucks doggy dick and they won't let you return their product if it doesn't run for you or ultimately satisfy you.

The way I see it...

Buggy software, no demos, sh*tty support & no return policy = pissed off customers = poor sales and guaranteed future piracy.

Better software, true demos, support & return policies = happier customers = many more sales and guaranteed future sales.

Some piracy will always exist.

Let's see...

GTA IV is great, but it has some issues and R*'s support has been poor. They are beginning to show a lack of respect for the community now. I thought by this time they would have updated the community on WTF is up with the patch and when it's expected, but they remain silent and they have pissed off an awful lot of people by not communicating with us. And if anyone thinks RockStar Toronto's (or w/e his name is) one sentence support efforts here is enough then you're not a wise consumer because there has been virtually no true support here from any official of the game. Furthermore, this isn't their site and I believe they should have their own support message boards handled by professionals, employed by R* and who are at least themselves in direct contact with the game's developers/coders/techs.

Game developers in general need to start communicating on deeper level with their customer base and stop selling us unfinished products. They should do more widespread public beta's provided as demos and thereby fix many problems before we pay for the product. And don't f*cking disappear after you release what's supposed to be your god damn livelihood/intellectual property; instead stand up with some pride and support your work and your customers.

Cheers.

For the life of me I cannot understand a line I hear over and over. The game is crappy so we have the right to pirate it. Stupidist thing I ever read. If you dont like something or a company dont deal with them. It is that simple. I will say this one more time........THEY OWE YOU NOTHING! It is if you people expect these companys to cater to your needs and wants like they owe you a game or something.

It is offered, dont like it stay away and go do something else.

It just sounds like a spoiled little brat that truly believes the world owes them something. "You better make me a good game or I will show you what I can do"

IDIOT MENTALITY

I am on a ship of fools and it is going down.

January 19, 2009

If they couldn't get it for free, and those people had a strong interest for the game, they would find a way to buy it.

The argument that this is all R*'s fault is dubious. The game itself was available on torrents and was pirated well before anyone could even play the game because of activation. Additionally, you can find every single game out there pirated in large quantities on torrents, the more "popular" a game is, the more it is pirated. You can't look up any game out there and say "Here's where the warez groups decided to stand up for the publishers and not pirate this game because it was so perfect". It has never happened. Currently, San Andreas, in several different torrents, is being seeded by 1000 people with nearly 6,000 peers. Is that fair? Did San Andreas suck? Is it not worth it to buy that game? And that's an old game that has been out for a long time.

The only people who can opt out of piracy is those who would participate in it. If they want to not purchase games instead of purchasing them, then just expect that developers will take that into account.

January 20, 2009

Read this thread and see what you think. It's not about GTA4, but it does talk about Devs, customer loyalty, and piracy.

http://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/post.aspx?postid=303512

This is a really good point Draginol made

"The reason why we don't put CD copy protection on our games isn't because we're nice guys. We do it because the people who actually buy games don't like to mess with it. Our customers make the rules, not the pirates. Pirates don't count. We know our customers could pirate our games if they want but choose to support our efforts. So we return the favor - we make the games they want and deliver them how they want it. This is also known as operating like every other industry outside the PC game industry"

It's good to see that some Devs support their customer.

I also own Sins of a Solar empire

twas a great game

Edited January 20, 2009 by Vert101

January 20, 2009

Well i will be pirating the next GTA if there is one. Not because i want to but its a matter of principle. They ripped me off when they took my money and sold me this mess. Hell i might even rip the next couple of GTA's. I garauntee im not the only person here who has been converted to piracy by Rockstar. Im simply providing my own refund.

Every excuse is a good one.. for all we know you might be having problems with the game because your Pc sucks or you cant use/maintain it.

Maybe you wont be pirating the next GTA on the PC because maybe they wont bother to release it if IV's sales are that bad.

The success of the game is not affected by piracy alone but also because of the steep system requirements, just like Crysis..

My system is not a factor, A poorly ported and unoptimized product however is an issue. Im well above min sys req and 22fps out of the box with a 4870 is not good enough, im sorry its not (textures medium sliders at 0). That and the fact that i cant even join a mutliplayer game considering i play multiplayer on all other games with absolutely no issues. I tried to refund immediately but i couldnt. Lets not get into the many other issues, bloatware, no AA etc etc etc etc etc etc. Still waiting for a patch, i dont think it will come personally and if it does it will only fix some trivial issue noone really cares about anyway.

So who is the thief? me? Well ill be proudy ripping rockstar products from now on and i garauntee many unsatisfied gamers will join me. Will it kill gta for pc by doing so? I dont give a f*ck. They did it themselves. If the next title came out as bad as this i wouldnt want to play it anyway. There are plenty of decent polished games out there that deserve my money and attention, this is not one of them.

January 20, 2009

i used to yarr games but steam showed me the way. online play is just betta

January 20, 2009

Well i will be pirating the next GTA if there is one. Not because i want to but its a matter of principle. They ripped me off when they took my money and sold me this mess. Hell i might even rip the next couple of GTA's. I garauntee im not the only person here who has been converted to piracy by Rockstar. Im simply providing my own refund.

Every excuse is a good one.. for all we know you might be having problems with the game because your Pc sucks or you cant use/maintain it.

Maybe you wont be pirating the next GTA on the PC because maybe they wont bother to release it if IV's sales are that bad.

The success of the game is not affected by piracy alone but also because of the steep system requirements, just like Crysis..

My system is not a factor, A poorly ported and unoptimized product however is an issue. Im well above min sys req and 22fps out of the box with a 4870 is not good enough, im sorry its not (textures medium sliders at 0). That and the fact that i cant even join a mutliplayer game considering i play multiplayer on all other games with absolutely no issues. I tried to refund immediately but i couldnt. Lets not get into the many other issues, bloatware, no AA etc etc etc etc etc etc. Still waiting for a patch, i dont think it will come personally and if it does it will only fix some trivial issue noone really cares about anyway.

So who is the thief? me? Well ill be proudy ripping rockstar products from now on and i garauntee many unsatisfied gamers will join me. Will it kill gta for pc by doing so? I dont give a f*ck. They did it themselves. If the next title came out as bad as this i wouldnt want to play it anyway. There are plenty of decent polished games out there that deserve my money and attention, this is not one of them.

Like Sins of a Solar Empire

January 20, 2009

Well i will be pirating the next GTA if there is one. Not because i want to but its a matter of principle. They ripped me off when they took my money and sold me this mess. Hell i might even rip the next couple of GTA's. I garauntee im not the only person here who has been converted to piracy by Rockstar. Im simply providing my own refund.

Every excuse is a good one.. for all we know you might be having problems with the game because your Pc sucks or you cant use/maintain it.

Maybe you wont be pirating the next GTA on the PC because maybe they wont bother to release it if IV's sales are that bad.

The success of the game is not affected by piracy alone but also because of the steep system requirements, just like Crysis..

My system is not a factor, A poorly ported and unoptimized product however is an issue. Im well above min sys req and 22fps out of the box with a 4870 is not good enough, im sorry its not (textures medium sliders at 0). That and the fact that i cant even join a mutliplayer game considering i play multiplayer on all other games with absolutely no issues. I tried to refund immediately but i couldnt. Lets not get into the many other issues, bloatware, no AA etc etc etc etc etc etc. Still waiting for a patch, i dont think it will come personally and if it does it will only fix some trivial issue noone really cares about anyway.

So who is the thief? me? Well ill be proudy ripping rockstar products from now on and i garauntee many unsatisfied gamers will join me. Will it kill gta for pc by doing so? I dont give a f*ck. They did it themselves. If the next title came out as bad as this i wouldnt want to play it anyway. There are plenty of decent polished games out there that deserve my money and attention, this is not one of them.

you are a syphalitic ballbag

get out

January 20, 2009

Well i will be pirating the next GTA if there is one. Not because i want to but its a matter of principle. They ripped me off when they took my money and sold me this mess. Hell i might even rip the next couple of GTA's. I garauntee im not the only person here who has been converted to piracy by Rockstar. Im simply providing my own refund.

Every excuse is a good one.. for all we know you might be having problems with the game because your Pc sucks or you cant use/maintain it.

Maybe you wont be pirating the next GTA on the PC because maybe they wont bother to release it if IV's sales are that bad.

The success of the game is not affected by piracy alone but also because of the steep system requirements, just like Crysis..

My system is not a factor, A poorly ported and unoptimized product however is an issue. Im well above min sys req and 22fps out of the box with a 4870 is not good enough, im sorry its not (textures medium sliders at 0). That and the fact that i cant even join a mutliplayer game considering i play multiplayer on all other games with absolutely no issues. I tried to refund immediately but i couldnt. Lets not get into the many other issues, bloatware, no AA etc etc etc etc etc etc. Still waiting for a patch, i dont think it will come personally and if it does it will only fix some trivial issue noone really cares about anyway.

So who is the thief? me? Well ill be proudy ripping rockstar products from now on and i garauntee many unsatisfied gamers will join me. Will it kill gta for pc by doing so? I dont give a f*ck. They did it themselves. If the next title came out as bad as this i wouldnt want to play it anyway. There are plenty of decent polished games out there that deserve my money and attention, this is not one of them.

the reason you are what you are is because you think you should get it all for nothing

get a quad and shut up about this game

January 20, 2009

Well i will be pirating the next GTA if there is one. Not because i want to but its a matter of principle. They ripped me off when they took my money and sold me this mess. Hell i might even rip the next couple of GTA's. I garauntee im not the only person here who has been converted to piracy by Rockstar. Im simply providing my own refund.

Every excuse is a good one.. for all we know you might be having problems with the game because your Pc sucks or you cant use/maintain it.

Maybe you wont be pirating the next GTA on the PC because maybe they wont bother to release it if IV's sales are that bad.

The success of the game is not affected by piracy alone but also because of the steep system requirements, just like Crysis..

My system is not a factor, A poorly ported and unoptimized product however is an issue. Im well above min sys req and 22fps out of the box with a 4870 is not good enough, im sorry its not (textures medium sliders at 0). That and the fact that i cant even join a mutliplayer game considering i play multiplayer on all other games with absolutely no issues. I tried to refund immediately but i couldnt. Lets not get into the many other issues, bloatware, no AA etc etc etc etc etc etc. Still waiting for a patch, i dont think it will come personally and if it does it will only fix some trivial issue noone really cares about anyway.

So who is the thief? me? Well ill be proudy ripping rockstar products from now on and i garauntee many unsatisfied gamers will join me. Will it kill gta for pc by doing so? I dont give a f*ck. They did it themselves. If the next title came out as bad as this i wouldnt want to play it anyway. There are plenty of decent polished games out there that deserve my money and attention, this is not one of them.

the reason you are what you are is because you think you should get it all for nothing

get a quad and shut up about this game

O great a moron from the get a quad crew. Very original. How do i think i should get it all for nothing?? Did you read my post? Im $ out of pocket and left with a dud game.

Captain Blackbeard

January 20, 2009

Did you guys read that thread?

http://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/post.aspx?postid=303512

Please say you read it... otherwise I'll get all teary eyed and weepy

Edited January 20, 2009 by Vert101

January 20, 2009

Well i will be pirating the next GTA if there is one. Not because i want to but its a matter of principle. They ripped me off when they took my money and sold me this mess. Hell i might even rip the next couple of GTA's. I garauntee im not the only person here who has been converted to piracy by Rockstar. Im simply providing my own refund.

Every excuse is a good one.. for all we know you might be having problems with the game because your Pc sucks or you cant use/maintain it.

Maybe you wont be pirating the next GTA on the PC because maybe they wont bother to release it if IV's sales are that bad.

The success of the game is not affected by piracy alone but also because of the steep system requirements, just like Crysis..

My system is not a factor, A poorly ported and unoptimized product however is an issue. Im well above min sys req and 22fps out of the box with a 4870 is not good enough, im sorry its not (textures medium sliders at 0). That and the fact that i cant even join a mutliplayer game considering i play multiplayer on all other games with absolutely no issues. I tried to refund immediately but i couldnt. Lets not get into the many other issues, bloatware, no AA etc etc etc etc etc etc. Still waiting for a patch, i dont think it will come personally and if it does it will only fix some trivial issue noone really cares about anyway.

So who is the thief? me? Well ill be proudy ripping rockstar products from now on and i garauntee many unsatisfied gamers will join me. Will it kill gta for pc by doing so? I dont give a f*ck. They did it themselves. If the next title came out as bad as this i wouldnt want to play it anyway. There are plenty of decent polished games out there that deserve my money and attention, this is not one of them.

the reason you are what you are is because you think you should get it all for nothing

get a quad and shut up about this game

O great a moron from the get a quad crew. Very original. How do i think i should get it all for nothing?? Did you read my post? Im $ out of pocket and left with a dud game.

Captain Blackbeard

ive still got my e8400 and took it to 4.4ghz and couldnt get it to run right

i poped in the q6600 and put it at 3.00ghz just to see

and it worked damn well.

you saying youre going to rip rockstar was enough for me

they made a good game and i was pretty gutted that my e8400 didnt cut it but hey, time moves on and quads are more optimized.

January 20, 2009

Thats the point. Your [email protected] should smash this game. Youve upgraded your pc because the game is still optimized for a console. Rockstar being lazy and you have spent more $ on unecsary hardware. You wouldnt need a quad to run this IF it was polished.

January 20, 2009

Thats the point. Your [email protected] should smash this game. Youve upgraded your pc because the game is still optimized for a console. Rockstar being lazy and you have spent more $ on unecsary hardware. You wouldnt need a quad to run this IF it was polished.

id call it a downgrade as i bought the e8400 after but i do agree with you on that. the q8200 should see more buyers for this game in my opinion and i really think that right now people start coughing up on this game as the reccesion might kill off any future games from R*

January 20, 2009

Thats the point. Your [email protected] should smash this game. Youve upgraded your pc because the game is still optimized for a console. Rockstar being lazy and you have spent more $ on unecsary hardware. You wouldnt need a quad to run this IF it was polished.

id call it a downgrade as i bought the e8400 after but i do agree with you on that. the q8200 should see more buyers for this game in my opinion and i really think that right now people start coughing up on this game as the reccesion might kill off any future games from R*

People did cough up for this game... a lot of people. But a lot of those people sent it back when they found out that it was not playable.

Piracy is a not a major factor to poor sales on the PC. Poor optimisation, lack of customer support, and insane DRM measures are though I think.

If they wanted this game to sell really well on the PC then they would have made it so people with low end systems could play it. Even if it looked horrible, most people would have still bought it, if it was FUN. I mean I remember playing games on PC from the dark ages. Ultima 7, Civilization, Die By The Sword. Oh... I liked Darklands too

See all those games have crap graphics by todays standards, but I'll still play them every now and again, and they have a fun factor to them. For me they do anyways... but maybe I'm just a dinosaur

Edited January 20, 2009 by Vert101

January 20, 2009

Thats the point. Your [email protected] should smash this game. Youve upgraded your pc because the game is still optimized for a console. Rockstar being lazy and you have spent more $ on unecsary hardware. You wouldnt need a quad to run this IF it was polished.

id call it a downgrade as i bought the e8400 after but i do agree with you on that. the q8200 should see more buyers for this game in my opinion and i really think that right now people start coughing up on this game as the reccesion might kill off any future games from R*

People did cough up for this game... a lot of people. But a lot of those people sent it back when they found out that it was not playable.

Piracy is a not a major factor to poor sales on the PC. Poor optimisation, lack of customer support, and insane DRM measures are though I think.

yep needs a new patch.a good one

piracy sux tho, games would be 20,000 times better if all the cash from those greedy little pricks started paying up

when they pirate from them, they pirate from me

January 20, 2009

Thats the point. Your [email protected] should smash this game. Youve upgraded your pc because the game is still optimized for a console. Rockstar being lazy and you have spent more $ on unecsary hardware. You wouldnt need a quad to run this IF it was polished.

id call it a downgrade as i bought the e8400 after but i do agree with you on that. the q8200 should see more buyers for this game in my opinion and i really think that right now people start coughing up on this game as the reccesion might kill off any future games from R*

People did cough up for this game... a lot of people. But a lot of those people sent it back when they found out that it was not playable.

Piracy is a not a major factor to poor sales on the PC. Poor optimisation, lack of customer support, and insane DRM measures are though I think.

What the heck are you talking about?

People can't "send it back" after coming to that realization. By the time they're capable of finding that out, they've opened the box and voided all chances of receiving a refund.

If games weren't immune from being returned for refunds due to that kind of thing, beleive me publishers wouldn't be cutting so many corners like they're doing currently. It would actually affect their sales figures, instead of just hurting their public image. Shareholders can't see a quantification of how distrusted the company is, but they can certainly see quarterly sales reports.

Publishers allow games with these problems to be pushed out in this state precisely because they know the customer has zero recourse upon discovering what they've purchased.

January 20, 2009

Thats the point. Your [email protected] should smash this game. Youve upgraded your pc because the game is still optimized for a console. Rockstar being lazy and you have spent more $ on unecsary hardware. You wouldnt need a quad to run this IF it was polished.

id call it a downgrade as i bought the e8400 after but i do agree with you on that. the q8200 should see more buyers for this game in my opinion and i really think that right now people start coughing up on this game as the reccesion might kill off any future games from R*

People did cough up for this game... a lot of people. But a lot of those people sent it back when they found out that it was not playable.

Piracy is a not a major factor to poor sales on the PC. Poor optimisation, lack of customer support, and insane DRM measures are though I think.

What the heck are you talking about?

People can't "send it back" after coming to that realization. By the time they're capable of finding that out, they've opened the box and voided all chances of receiving a refund.

If games weren't immune from being returned for refunds due to that kind of thing, beleive me publishers wouldn't be cutting so many corners like they're doing currently. It would actually affect their sales figures, instead of just hurting their public image. Shareholders can't see a quantification of how distrusted the company is, but they can certainly see quarterly sales reports.

Publishers allow games with these problems to be pushed out in this state precisely because they know the customer has zero recourse upon discovering what they've purchased.

Umm... correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Steam offer a full refund to customers that bought GTA4 from their server, for the first time in recorded history? Even at the games store that I frequent, they have a return policy for about 6 days.

So yes... people did send it back.

And I personally have returned defective games to the store, in the past if they did not work.

Edited January 20, 2009 by Vert101

January 20, 2009

Thats the point. Your [email protected] should smash this game. Youve upgraded your pc because the game is still optimized for a console. Rockstar being lazy and you have spent more $ on unecsary hardware. You wouldnt need a quad to run this IF it was polished.

id call it a downgrade as i bought the e8400 after but i do agree with you on that. the q8200 should see more buyers for this game in my opinion and i really think that right now people start coughing up on this game as the reccesion might kill off any future games from R*

People did cough up for this game... a lot of people. But a lot of those people sent it back when they found out that it was not playable.

Piracy is a not a major factor to poor sales on the PC. Poor optimisation, lack of customer support, and insane DRM measures are though I think.

What the heck are you talking about?

People can't "send it back" after coming to that realization. By the time they're capable of finding that out, they've opened the box and voided all chances of receiving a refund.

If games weren't immune from being returned for refunds due to that kind of thing, beleive me publishers wouldn't be cutting so many corners like they're doing currently. It would actually affect their sales figures, instead of just hurting their public image. Shareholders can't see a quantification of how distrusted the company is, but they can certainly see quarterly sales reports.

Publishers allow games with these problems to be pushed out in this state precisely because they know the customer has zero recourse upon discovering what they've purchased.

Everybody knows it is impossible or extremely rare that you can return a game. EVERYBODY knows it. So if you have a low end system DONT BUY A GAME UNTIL YOU TRY A DEMO OR READ REVIEWS. Read MANY reviews and check out forums such as this one. People have even said they read about the problems with the game and still bought it hoping it will run. Hell, if you are a known for being a whiner and have a higher end system check the reviews and such also.

If you dont want to feel like a guinea pig......dont buy a game when it first comes out. Just wait, there are many willing Guinea pigs just like me who will give an opinion but not whine for months about it.

I bought it regardless because I am always willing to upgrade if I need to. I did on this one. It ran on my 2 Core but not as well as I wanted. So I bought a Quad 9550 and the game is beautiful !!

Low end system owners should question any game before they buy. It is a sad fact but it is the way it is.

So quit bitchin people. The ball was in your hand and you knew what system you had but you ran with it anyways without verifying it with forums and reviews. You had to have it as soon as it hit the shelves. (Dont blame ya for having to have it but you knew there was risk) There always is.

We ALL also know there is a fine line on how a games minimum specs can vary greatly between machines.

As for gaming newcomers.....sorry you learned the hard way but I did it many times over the years.

Edited January 20, 2009 by nvr2fst

January 20, 2009

Thats the point. Your [email protected] should smash this game. Youve upgraded your pc because the game is still optimized for a console. Rockstar being lazy and you have spent more $ on unecsary hardware. You wouldnt need a quad to run this IF it was polished.

id call it a downgrade as i bought the e8400 after but i do agree with you on that. the q8200 should see more buyers for this game in my opinion and i really think that right now people start coughing up on this game as the reccesion might kill off any future games from R*

People did cough up for this game... a lot of people. But a lot of those people sent it back when they found out that it was not playable.

Piracy is a not a major factor to poor sales on the PC. Poor optimisation, lack of customer support, and insane DRM measures are though I think.

What the heck are you talking about?

People can't "send it back" after coming to that realization. By the time they're capable of finding that out, they've opened the box and voided all chances of receiving a refund.

If games weren't immune from being returned for refunds due to that kind of thing, beleive me publishers wouldn't be cutting so many corners like they're doing currently. It would actually affect their sales figures, instead of just hurting their public image. Shareholders can't see a quantification of how distrusted the company is, but they can certainly see quarterly sales reports.

Publishers allow games with these problems to be pushed out in this state precisely because they know the customer has zero recourse upon discovering what they've purchased.

Umm... correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Steam offer a full refund to customers that bought GTA4 from their server, for the first time in recorded history? Even at the games store that I frequent, they have a return policy for about 6 days.

So yes... people did send it back.

And I personally have returned defective games to the store, in the past if they did not work.

Steam refunding for the first time ever says it all. BAD GAME. I certainly tried to refund it but because i had opened the box they wouldnt except itat my local harvey norman.

January 20, 2009

Thats the point. Your [email protected] should smash this game. Youve upgraded your pc because the game is still optimized for a console. Rockstar being lazy and you have spent more $ on unecsary hardware. You wouldnt need a quad to run this IF it was polished.

id call it a downgrade as i bought the e8400 after but i do agree with you on that. the q8200 should see more buyers for this game in my opinion and i really think that right now people start coughing up on this game as the reccesion might kill off any future games from R*

People did cough up for this game... a lot of people. But a lot of those people sent it back when they found out that it was not playable.

Piracy is a not a major factor to poor sales on the PC. Poor optimisation, lack of customer support, and insane DRM measures are though I think.

What the heck are you talking about?

People can't "send it back" after coming to that realization. By the time they're capable of finding that out, they've opened the box and voided all chances of receiving a refund.

If games weren't immune from being returned for refunds due to that kind of thing, beleive me publishers wouldn't be cutting so many corners like they're doing currently. It would actually affect their sales figures, instead of just hurting their public image. Shareholders can't see a quantification of how distrusted the company is, but they can certainly see quarterly sales reports.

Publishers allow games with these problems to be pushed out in this state precisely because they know the customer has zero recourse upon discovering what they've purchased.

Umm... correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Steam offer a full refund to customers that bought GTA4 from their server, for the first time in recorded history? Even at the games store that I frequent, they have a return policy for about 6 days.

So yes... people did send it back.

And I personally have returned defective games to the store, in the past if they did not work.

Steam refunding for the first time ever says it all. BAD GAME. I certainly tried to refund it but because i had opened the box they wouldnt except itat my local harvey norman.

Harvey Norman did refund a game for me... but that might only be because I buy a rediculous amount of games through them, which I don't return. And I did open the box on that one also.

But please guys... read this thread

http://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/303512/page/2/#replies

Please Please Please

It's about piracy and the PC gaming industry, and it makes some very very good points.

Edited January 20, 2009 by Vert101

January 20, 2009

Thats the point. Your [email protected] should smash this game. Youve upgraded your pc because the game is still optimized for a console. Rockstar being lazy and you have spent more $ on unecsary hardware. You wouldnt need a quad to run this IF it was polished.

id call it a downgrade as i bought the e8400 after but i do agree with you on that. the q8200 should see more buyers for this game in my opinion and i really think that right now people start coughing up on this game as the reccesion might kill off any future games from R*

People did cough up for this game... a lot of people. But a lot of those people sent it back when they found out that it was not playable.

Piracy is a not a major factor to poor sales on the PC. Poor optimisation, lack of customer support, and insane DRM measures are though I think.

What the heck are you talking about?

People can't "send it back" after coming to that realization. By the time they're capable of finding that out, they've opened the box and voided all chances of receiving a refund.

If games weren't immune from being returned for refunds due to that kind of thing, beleive me publishers wouldn't be cutting so many corners like they're doing currently. It would actually affect their sales figures, instead of just hurting their public image. Shareholders can't see a quantification of how distrusted the company is, but they can certainly see quarterly sales reports.

Publishers allow games with these problems to be pushed out in this state precisely because they know the customer has zero recourse upon discovering what they've purchased.

Everybody knows it is impossible or extremely rare that you can return a game. EVERYBODY knows it. So if you have a low end system DONT BUY A GAME UNTIL YOU TRY A DEMO OR READ REVIEWS. Read MANY reviews and check out forums such as this one. People have even said they read about the problems with the game and still bought it hoping it will run.

I bought it regardless because I am always willing to upgrade if I need to. I did on this one. It ran on my 2 Core but not as well as I wanted. So I bought a Quad 9550 and the game is beautiful !!

Low end system owners should question any game before they buy. It is a sad fact but it is the way it is.

So quit bitchin people. The ball was in your hand and you knew what system you had but you ran with it anyways without verifying it with forums and reviews. You had to have it as soon as it hit the shelves. (Dont blame ya for having to have it but you knew there was risk)

We ALL also know there is a fine line on how a games minimum specs can vary greatly between machines.

You complete tosser. Alot of people here have relatively high end systems and the game still runs poorly. Dont try and blame peoples hardware for an unoptimized sh*tty game. You yourself had to upgrade to get it to run well. So shut the f*ck up, ignorant fanboy dumbass.

January 20, 2009