riahc4 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 I can't believe that hundreds of thousands downloaded 15gbs in the hope it would get cracked. Then when it wasn't properly cracked (and it still isn't today) Excuse me? I know 2 friends of mine who have completed 100% of the game without any problems at all. And you say it hasn't been cracked yet? Look around buddy; People like you and me who have bought the game are having more problems than cracked people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 f*ck is this troll central today or something ? Some people will be able to get the pirated version to work. However even today we are still getting crooks coming in here going "wah wah my internet computers don't work" which is an anti piracy measure. So NO the game hasn't been FULLY cracked, if it had we wouldn't be getting retards coming in here bitching about anti piracy measures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riahc4 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 f*ck is this troll central today or something ? Some people will be able to get the pirated version to work. However even today we are still getting crooks coming in here going "wah wah my internet computers don't work" which is an anti piracy measure. So NO the game hasn't been FULLY cracked, if it had we wouldn't be getting retards coming in here bitching about anti piracy measures. Im just saying that there exists people whos game works; MP, they can complete the game 100%, no issues, etc.... Of course, their game being crack. Thats what I ment when you made that comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vert101 Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 (edited) I dunno... I just want a game that f*cking works hey... I'll accept bugs, but only to a certain degree... we'll see what the future is for PC game developement... maybe it looks a little grim... Sh*t seems to float on top hey... Edited March 29, 2009 by Vert101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamzta09 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 f*ck is this troll central today or something ? Some people will be able to get the pirated version to work. However even today we are still getting crooks coming in here going "wah wah my internet computers don't work" which is an anti piracy measure. So NO the game hasn't been FULLY cracked, if it had we wouldn't be getting retards coming in here bitching about anti piracy measures. The game is FULLY CRACKED, do you live in a cave or what! Theres even a crack that enables windows live (multiplayer) aswell... Also, the anti piracy affects the non-pirates.. just look at direct2drive you get wrong.exe when you launch the game, I had it so I redownloaded it from there, got same message, so i bought another copy from there and then it worked. So yeah, 'its all about pirates' ... DRM kills the industry, not the pirates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 No people buying from direct2drive should expect that kind of crap from such a third rate sh*tty download service. I wouldn't buy from direct2drive if they f*cking paid me to do it. The game IS NOT fully cracked because we are still getting people to this day coming in IRC and posting in here they have drunk cam or their computers don't work. But hey why am I even trying to convince trolls like you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrysis02 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 No people buying from direct2drive should expect that kind of crap from such a third rate sh*tty download service. I wouldn't buy from direct2drive if they f*cking paid me to do it. The game IS NOT fully cracked because we are still getting people to this day coming in IRC and posting in here they have drunk cam or their computers don't work. But hey why am I even trying to convince trolls like you guys. Charlie,you should know by now that even pirate n00bs exist.Those guys just probably applied the wrong crack to the game.There's a bunch of s**t floating around the internet.What if the guy downloaded the game,applied the patch,cracked it with an older file and wanted to play?Do you honestly think that can't happen?S**t happens even to pirates,you can't just stick your head in the sand and say this all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 you can't just stick your head in the sand and say this all day long. Why not it seems to work for a lot of people on this board . The fact is the game has NOT been FULLY cracked, some will get it working but a lot WON'T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamzta09 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 No people buying from direct2drive should expect that kind of crap from such a third rate sh*tty download service. I wouldn't buy from direct2drive if they f*cking paid me to do it. The game IS NOT fully cracked because we are still getting people to this day coming in IRC and posting in here they have drunk cam or their computers don't work. But hey why am I even trying to convince trolls like you guys. In the so called FAQ it said something similar to: The normal legit users can also get affected by the drunken cam.. It seems you hesitate when someone say: I got the drunken cam! // You guys reply with: No its a pirate, lock the thread and send NO support. How can it be a pirate if he can play through GFWL and has a Retail CD Key? I thought keygens dont work on multiplayer, if you think its still piracy.. How can you prove that you actually own the game? Instead of getting the mods or random users to scream out theres illegal activity goin on and that the person who made the thead is a pirate. Not supoorting piracy, but companies being retards and instantly blaming them being pirates. DRM and that causes PC gaming to die slowly. All they seem to want is more money so they can buy another bentley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gouveia Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 The normal legit users can also get affected by the drunken cam.. It seems you hesitate when someone say: I got the drunken cam! // You guys reply with: No its a pirate, lock the thread and send NO support. How can it be a pirate if he can play through GFWL and has a Retail CD Key? I thought keygens dont work on multiplayer, if you think its still piracy.. Yeah, they can get it if they're too lazy to put a DVD on the drive and use a cracked NO-DVD exe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Driver Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Look around buddy; People like you and me who have bought the game are having more problems than cracked people. What problems? License game= clean and 100% working gameplay. Pirate game = loads of "bugs". Pirates can't upload movies to R* Social Club. Both licensed and pirated versions have issues with perfomance, textures etc. sometimes. Oh right, I forgot. Pirates don't have any problems with cheating in MP...cause they can't play MP at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamzta09 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 The normal legit users can also get affected by the drunken cam.. It seems you hesitate when someone say: I got the drunken cam! // You guys reply with: No its a pirate, lock the thread and send NO support. How can it be a pirate if he can play through GFWL and has a Retail CD Key? I thought keygens dont work on multiplayer, if you think its still piracy.. Yeah, they can get it if they're too lazy to put a DVD on the drive and use a cracked NO-DVD exe. Or they purchased it via steam or d2d.. moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 What problems? License game= clean and 100% working gameplay. Pirate game = loads of "bugs". Guess all the people I know, with legit version (bought in retail no less), who still can't play the game, must've somehow got a pirated version? Damn.. I need to report my local gameshop to the police then!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 It's weird. It seems that most of teh people who have "major issues" are people who created an account within the last 4-5 months. not all. but most. Makes me wonder. My friend had issues with his game, but it turned out to be cooling, and a ram upgrade. up from two gigs 533 to 3 gigs 1066. worked great. his intell e2200 is smoking my amd 5600. We have the exact same video card. before we made these small upgrades, we had it at lowest settings and he still had missing textures and laggy f average 20 fps or less. now he is getting 35+ fps all at med and high settings. He still hasn't done the third patch. He was a lot like most of the people here. Throw a tantrum without trying everything. just wanted to say he tried it all and give up and pissandmoan. If it isn't fixed yet, you HAVE to try everything till it is fixed, then try more to make it even better. And piracy Killing GTAIV no chance, the amount of troubles the Legit version supposedly causes plus the pirated issues. No way the "pirates" of today could ever put up with the issues. Far to lazy . PC version will last.. Long past the newbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youwillfearme Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 The gaming industry is taking major hits due to several reasons, none of which has anything to do with copy protection, piracy, bugs (or questionable Q&A in most cases,) or any of that sort. Right now, number one being the obvious "financial crisis" as the propagandists on CNN and others in the popular media has to call it if they want to keep their jobs. The gaming industry hasn't been the same since March 2000 either, when Electronic Arts released The Sims, which has since then sold over 100 million copies world wide with its franchise. (Source: Wiki). Ever since the first The Sims, more companies have copied EA's sales tactic. Computer games are no longer rewarded by its players by the sum of its parts -- Instead, the deciding factor for most buyers, across all platforms, comes down to tv ads or exposure, and aesthetics. Game mechanics and replayability becomes less important. It's a vicious cycle that started with The Sims imo, which happened to come at a time when social engineering was not limited to ink and paper, and everyone in the industry had to follow this trend, or risk being left behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 It's weird.It seems that most of teh people who have "major issues" are people who created an account within the last 4-5 months. not all. but most. Makes me wonder. I think that makes good sense. The internet is different place now compared to when SA was released and alot of troubleshooting comes from fellow gamers today and the best way to get in touch with them is on forums. People came here in hopes of finding some way to work around their bugs/issues - at least that's why I joined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesley123 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Look around buddy; People like you and me who have bought the game are having more problems than cracked people. What problems? License game= clean and 100% working gameplay. Pirate game = loads of "bugs". Pirates can't upload movies to R* Social Club. Both licensed and pirated versions have issues with perfomance, textures etc. sometimes. Oh right, I forgot. Pirates don't have any problems with cheating in MP...cause they can't play MP at all. actually, what you are saying is i am having an pirated version? I am having loads of bugs, crashes and bad framerates, but i just bought the game when it came out, i have an official cd key, GFWL account and other sh*t wich you cant get with a cracked game. Loads of people are having the drunk screen, or other of those things becasue the game is thinking the game is illegal, while the disc is in the dirve and the game is fully registered, then we have to explain over and over agian to redo the registration procedure and explain how to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vert101 Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share Posted March 30, 2009 actually, what you are saying is i am having an pirated version? I am having loads of bugs, crashes and bad framerates, but i just bought the game when it came out, i have an official cd key, GFWL account and other sh*t wich you cant get with a cracked game. Loads of people are having the drunk screen, or other of those things becasue the game is thinking the game is illegal, while the disc is in the dirve and the game is fully registered, then we have to explain over and over agian to redo the registration procedure and explain how to do this. Welcome to the wonderful world of Extreme DRM, where even if you own the original copy of the game... a bacteria that decides to sh*t on your DVD will cause you a mountain of strife. As a legit user you are now part of an elite squad "The Hatef*cked". We welcome you to our ranks. I really don't like this DRM crap hey... I mean... having to load the game about 10-20 times just to get it to run is really annoying. I miss the good old days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
testudinis Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 i have to say i usually don't by pc games. but gta4 is just one of those games you got to have. i think the pc doesn't get the attention that it deserves. every game comes out for console first or only console. how many games have there been for pc only in the last years? the industries make more money by producing games for consoles. thats how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrysis02 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 i have to say i usually don't by pc games. but gta4 is just one of those games you got to have. i think the pc doesn't get the attention that it deserves. every game comes out for console first or only console. how many games have there been for pc only in the last years? the industries make more money by producing games for consoles. thats how it is. Tell me about it.It looks like Crysis is going over to consoles too. As i said earlier,i don't f*****g care if the CryEngine is available for consoles,it's the actual game i'm worried about.Every PC exclusive or developed on the PC game that get's into contact with consoles loses it's quality.F.E.A.R.:Project Origin is a good example.Button mashing sequences,clunky HUD(WTF is the guy RoboCop or what?),and overall lost the F.E.A.R. feeling of the first part.Made for the masses.Even Blizzard is negotiating with Microsoft,and earlier one of the Diablo III devs said that Diablo would be possible on consoles.So i'm guessing we lose strategy games too.I sense we are going downhill from now on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NecroViolator Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Yes, lets blame the Pirates... Everyone having sex today is spreading diseases... Everyone breathing air today is adding to the green house effect... Lets blame everyone else for this mess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyMhz Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 (edited) *Takes deep breath... Ok. Piracy is a problem, but I don't think the problem is piracy. Lemme explain, no matter what, games/software/movies/music will always be able to be copied and re-produced freely. No matter what copy protection or no matter what security, someone will always find a work around. Now first lemme clear this, if were talking about piracy as in, stores/people copying the games illegally for a profit. That is downright wrong, however I haven't seen any of this in real life were I live, but in other countries this does go on and is a major problem. As for the home/internet p2p aspect... Today, the problem isn't P2P or the ability to download this software freely, but it is the sheer lack of respect. Numerous friends of mine I respect, even though they download games free of charge. The reason why I respect them is because they use it as a demo. I remember when GTA III came out, one of my friends have never tried the GTA series. There was no demo for it either, so he downloaded it free of charge. He played for about a hour, he spam messaged me telling me it is a good game and thanks for informing him about it. After he knew he liked it, he unistalled the game, went to the store and bought it. Thats a perfect example of how things should be, however people seem to look at the whole internet and p2p thing like : "Oh I can get it for free, sweet, yea, never pay again!". Thats a horrible attitude, because the less people buy the less resources/budget the companies have to make the next thing. And if it continues, the company could eventually loose too much and go bankrupt. I like buying games, having the box and whatnot and supporting the companies. Some of my friends however do something that may be considered bad. But I think its perfectly fine, since its a win win for the companies. For example COD4, one of my friends was interested in the online play only the other only cared about single player. The game is $50, they each don't want to have to pay that much for only 1 aspect of the game so they wouldn't have got it. However they pooled together, each payed $25 and they installed it on their computers. They each got the aspect of the game they wanted, didn't have money for the full thing so they pooled together. Without doing that the company would have got nothing, I know 1 game for 1 person is supposed to be the rule. But they would have never bought the game if they didn't do that. So IMO thats a ++ for the company. I think people just need to take a sensible approach to the mater. Don't be a slime. Another thing a company must do is respect their customers, if they don't show us respect why should we show them respect?... For the most part this is fine, for a while there EA drove them selfs into the ground making crap and just wanting to milk money. But they are doing a pretty good job turning around. One thing I would finally like to urge, is Securom is the devil. Seriously, it costs game company's thousands of dollars for a license for it and what does it do. NOTHING!. Securom turns off customers and is not not effective to the least bit. So what, game company's pay loads of cash to incorporate this rat bastard Securom when it only causes tons of problems for actual customers and only adds 30 mins more work to a pirates job?. Thats pathetic, anti-piracy methods are useless. Like honestly, who ever invented Securom should have their legs broken by a monkey with a baseball bat. Nuff'said. So thats my view on piracy, and beefs, or what ifs you wanna throw at my theory go ahead. As said in GTA, "Respect is everything". Edited March 30, 2009 by MonkeyMhz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 -snip- Respect. The thing about copy protection, regardless of the brand, is that it may only be a single added layer (or multiple levels) between the crack artist and the product, but these things are made in ways that not everyone can just get around it. However, just checking for the disc should have been as far as they ever went. By adding securities they are able to lower the amount of people able to actually crack something, which makes it way easier to jump on illegal distribution (the big stuff like you mentioned) once it becomes pirated, and even once it becomes shared (rogue trackers). Basically, it's that added firewall that most of us with sensible views don't see the underbelly of. The thing is, the more "thieves" that are out there on P2P aspect of piracy the more law makers need to listen to commercial entities to protect their products. OnLive for example, these guys just demo'd at GDC09 and it was awesome. They did mention briefly about how this can be used as content protection as well as the delivery platform that it is marketed as. Cloud computing (which is what OnLive embraces as its model) would not have so much behind it if not for piracy. Ever seen "Every download of an MP3 supports communism"? It's true - every pirated software, they don't give f*ck all if you have the software or not, all they really care about is the statistic added as a new downloader for showing "proof that the human population cannot be responsible with licenses to own physical copies", thus they push for more laws and try to close up content delivery more and more. SO they use SERVICES - which are dangerous in this example - like itunes, amazon, on demand from comcast, Sega Channel grew up and now you see OnLive gearing up to give it a try again for games, etc. Once it is a service, things can be amended at any time, rules can change, since its all on a cloud, they can change the host any time they want completely apart from the services side of things... Your purchases of digital content remain for you to download at all times on things like Steam, Direct2Drive, etc. So even if you delete them, they are still there. On Cloud interfaces, you buy the game and play in on their server... You don't have windows OS, you join Windows Cloud and run all of your applications on their server, and guess what? That is the evil side of multiplayer gaming. There are a lot of aspects as to how gaming directly makes removing your rights a fun and engaging experience... And 'on star' may be marketed as a gps and emergency contact tool, but it is really just a bug/phone tap for your car. I typed this all out out of respect for what you said, it is like "the missing stuff" and I doubt I can source it or that anyone would ever admit it openly unless you watched other people say basically this stuff and not be able to prove it as well. But it's all fairly obvious if you really really think it over, you can even draw other very related conclusions from this small seed I've written here (I find if I write too much, these people don't read it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamzta09 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 You heard Dragon Age is being delayed to get released at the same time as the consoles? It was supposed to get released now in april for the PC, but NOOOOOOOOOO EA wants to milk it a liiiiittle bit more. Everything EA touch turns into junk, mostly. Just look at the sims 2 and spore, expansion pack rain has begun. Why sell an unfinished game for fullprice then let the morons who actually like the games pay 30$ more PER expansion pack that barely contain anything at all.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyMhz Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 2 Posts Above. I Agree. Its sad though, I don't want everything to go to services. But I can guarantee you thats where its headed. People can still probably pirate the games even if they do that but it would be so much work it would be very rare. Onlive would be the closets thing to annihilating piracy, however if Onlive was the only way to play games they would loose most/all of my business. Since Onlive would also eliminate mods, console commands, and most enjoyable to me, content exploration and the map editor. I love looking at textures and assets from Doom3 or games and looking how they put the map together, thats how I've learned most of my modeling skills and texture skills. Then again, company's aren't complaining too much about piracy. Ive only heard EA mass complaining about it, but really when no ones buying EA games because the majority of them suck. My cousin was a a focus group not long ago at EA and the people there were just goofs. They clearly didn't care about the game and knew it sucked. We will have to ride this storm out and see were gaming ends up. And yes I agree, EA is pretty penny squeezing. It really shows it when expansion packs for Sims 2 are still coming out. Like wth, the expansion packs add a couple extra items. I could throw my own Sims 2 expansion pack together. 1 thing i must add. The media makes things worse too. They make everything sound worse than it is. Piracy, The Recession (morons, they tell everyone to keep buying and helping the economy and then they say how bad everything is on the news, go figure), DirectX10 (90% of the gamers out there have no understanding in whats actually going on in the gaming world on the tech side). - Rant over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamzta09 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 DirectX10 (90% of the gamers out there have no understanding in whats actually going on in the gaming world on the tech side). DX10 is nice, but its up to the developers to actually start using it. Example: Far Cry 2, it actually runs better with DX10 on than DX9 aswell as it looks a bit better. Bad example: Company of Heroes DX10, looks AWESOME, but no card can run it smooth it seems. DX11 will do something that helps the CPU aswell I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flameweilder Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Well, I was reading these posts and completely siding with the popular argument of "If GTA IV wasn't such a bad port, it wouldn't be pirated"...but I just remembered something that completely destroys that argument. I remember, two days before the game was officially released for PC, that [torrent site] had the game already uploaded, and the thing had tens of thousands of seeders, and even more leechers. That meant that close to a hundred THOUSAND people had illegally downloaded the game before it was even out...and that means they had NO idea it was a bad port. For all everyone knew, this game was going to be flawless (it had taken months and months to be ported, after all). Therefore, people were downloading it simply greed's sake, NOT because it was bad. However, now that I look at that, I think it's safe to argue that although many, many people had downloaded the game, it really wasn't what truly decreased GTA IV sales. As tons of people have said, it really was because of the bad port (many people waited before buying it, and then didn't when they heard how f*cked up it was), as well as the high price (no one wants to pay $50-$100 for a game that technically was released a year ago), the rather lack of 'freshness' to the game (everyone had seen it, watched it, read about it, and maybe even played it on the consoles for nearly a year), and...well...not too many people even remembered it by this point. Not only did Rockstar take wwaaaaayyyyyy too long to port it, but they also had several delays and extensions that, by the time they actually released it, not too many people cared to remember or realize it. Not to mention that few people want SecuROM installed on their computer (as well as GFWL and R* SC). Overall, when one considers that it had pirates (not enough on its own though), that it was a sh*tty port, that it was old news, that it took forever to port, that it had an untolerable number of delays, the ridiculously high price, and the DRM...well...I'm surprised the game even sold at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyMhz Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 *Above Post *Knods head in agreement. Another reason why Carmack is in the right direction with their game engine (Tech5). Why the hell would company's develop for 1 platform then port. Its a waste of time, money, effort, life, resources. Use a engine that can build to all systems from 1 code base, this is where gaming should be going. Think, they develop the game once, maybe do a few minor adjustments. Build it and bam they got all their sides covered. All same/similar release dates, and because of that they will get much more sales. No one is left out, and no one has to wait. Another thing to think about, if gaming went to (you must have a internet connection) eg. Onlive.etc Think how much power the ISP's would have. And it would also limit where you could game, but for sure the last thing I want is for my ISP to have more control, they already piss me off enough as it is. Another thing not helping piracy is the expensive prices on console games. You get people buying PC's just so they can get free games, the expensive prices on console push people to pirate on the PC. Then us the *real* pc gamers get the punishment (Suckyourom.etc). And then we have to deal with people saying, "OH THIS GAME SUCKS, MY PC WONT RUN IT" because they have integrated graphics or they don't know what they are doing. Trust me, I can guarantee you that majority of the people downloading those games, are young kids using the pc to "GET FREE GAMES". Then they can't handle the reality when the game wont run because of their crappy specs. Or if it does run they are just hurting the game company's because when someone sees thousands of downloads on a game they think money that the company lost. Really when 70% of those downloads could be done by underage kids who either switched to PC because they don't wanna pay for games. Or because their parents wont let them buy M games on their console so they get it on their PC. So technically many of the illegal downloads could be done by people who couldn't give the company money even if they wanted too. However it looks bad and hurts us real pc gamers, and then we have to deal with those stupid kids blabbering BS all over the net. Btw, I agree GTAIV was poorly made at first, they've done some big improvements but its still no where as good as it could have been if they didn't port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaudevillian Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 The thing is, the more "thieves" that are out there on P2P aspect of piracy the more law makers need to listen to commercial entities to protect their products. OnLive for example, these guys just demo'd at GDC09 and it was awesome. They did mention briefly about how this can be used as content protection as well as the delivery platform that it is marketed as. OnLive is the most ridiculous idea ever. Latency of online gaming through this method will be through the roof. You will be talking 100ms in fps games which make it un-playable. Plus who in there right mind would use up all there cap for about 10 hours of game time. This idea has as much merit as a bridge made from corn flakes or trying to use a fork to drink water. Any company dumb enough to only license their game to this idea deserves to fail. Most companies that are making single player pc games only are failing period. While companies that are creating multiplayer games are doing quite well. People love blaming pirates for everything. RIAA, MPAA, News papers and a whole slew of other failing business. But the big part is these business would rather keep complaining instead of changing the way they do business, simple mathimatics. New era (companies surviving do this) Change business model + Offer good product + less DRM + lower prices = Profit (this way is proven to work) Old way (Failing companies) Old school business model + poor products + more DRM + higher prices + getting laws changed to suit old business model = epic fail (RIAA, MPAA are proving this true) In reality, even if all pirates were eliminated. The problem would remain the same no matter how you look at it. The pirates would not get the game and the same people will not buy the game. So you have the same sales as before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamzta09 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 OnLive is the most ridiculous idea ever. Latency of online gaming through this method will be through the roof. You will be talking 100ms in fps games which make it un-playable. Plus who in there right mind would use up all there cap for about 10 hours of game time. HAHA AMericans has a CAP on the broadband, ROFL.. Live in the EU or Sweden and get 100/100mbit fiber with 0 caps.. stop spending all money on donuts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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