Sunrise Driver Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) So, for some reason, you believe TLAD is not freely available? Hmm? People say that TLAD depends of Live account i.e. you can't run your DLC (that you've bought) on another Live profiles. that is so true.... piracy "in the pc industry" isnt as bad as console And piracy on the PC isn't so easy as on console. Edited March 24, 2009 by Street Mix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgundy36 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) 500? I have bought a lot but I am not sure there are that many games. Got a list. Exagerating even a little.... As long as I have been playing I couldnt fatham 100 I would want. hahahahaha, yeaaa.... i doubt hes exagerating, as i know, i personally have over 400 legit games (dating all the way back to good ol' '98 games and over 200 "pirated". tbh, the reason i started DLing pirated, is because of the fact that my legit CDs would get scratched, and useless (wouldnt install) so i would DL from internet and use my CD key to use. i have a 1TB 7200rpm S-ATA 3gb/s HDD FULL of backups totaling around 200+ games and i use every 1 of em. atm i have 12 installed, including: Garrysmod 11 Left 4 Dead Blacksite area 51 Crysis Warhead Devil may cry IV Halo 2 Fallout 3 NecroVision The Witcher: Enhanced Edition Burnout Paradise F.E.A.R. 2 Project Origin Grand Theft Auto IV ---------------------------------------------- on a 320gb external i have (installed+reghacked) ---------------------------------------------- GTA: SA Conflict Denied Ops Counterstrike HL2 + EP1 + EP2 Crysis Firestarter Halo Legendary The Suffering, ties that bind Chronicles of riddick escape from butcher bay hunting unlimited PoRTaL Assassins Creed Diablo 2 Oblivion Vampire Bloodlines WorldShift Spiderman web of shadows X-Blades (fun lil slasher ) magic the gathering + all expansions this is actually my least used... Call Of Duty 4 Call Of Duty 5 H.A.W.X Rainbow 6 Vegas II Gears of War and i DO use every singly one... seriously... dont start ripping at someone if you dont know the whole info. atm my game archive totals over 670 games... and u were doubting 500? ROFL... and for the record, the way i do it now, is i DL to test, if i like i buy... i bought a few games so far i absolutely hated, and they wouldnt take em back. ye, they dont give refunds on PC games here.. so i just chuck em out, like Blacksite, that 1s legit...... Edited March 24, 2009 by burgundy36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Waddle Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Well I thought that PC gaming was dying, but after reading This maybe it isn't. Hopefully this might make games companies think again about PC gaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryet Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Is piracy the reason behind the poor sales of GTA4? WTF??? Piracy will NEVER be able to kill a game like GTA. You gotta be kidding me? They make so many millions each day that their total costs for making this game is payed faster than you can spell ... well, I donno. What IS killing this game is the 30% players that CANNOT play this game due to POOR programming. Listen Rockstar: I have been a huge fan since the first game and I have bought every single release. But you can COUNT YOUR ASS ON THAT I WILL GET A CRACKED COPY of your next release. Fock you like I would pay for the game before I know if I can run it or not and knows how others run it. I spend focking $1200 on a new computer ONLY to play GTA IV and all I got was 3 format c: and completely reinstalls but still have a superd running game with superd freezes. THAT is killing the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgundy36 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) Is piracy the reason behind the poor sales of GTA4? WTF??? Piracy will NEVER be able to kill a game like GTA. You gotta be kidding me? They make so many millions each day that their total costs for making this game is payed faster than you can spell ... well, I donno. What IS killing this game is the 30% players that CANNOT play this game due to POOR programming. Listen Rockstar: I have been a huge fan since the first game and I have bought every single release. But you can COUNT YOUR ASS ON THAT I WILL GET A CRACKED COPY of your next release. Fock you like I would pay for the game before I know if I can run it or not and knows how others run it. I spend focking $1200 on a new computer ONLY to play GTA IV and all I got was 3 format c: and completely reinstalls but still have a superd running game with superd freezes. THAT is killing the game! 100% agreed, then again, rockstar has ben known to make the best game CONCEPTS, but when it comes to programming, and making them come to life, they need new devs.. look at GTA: San andreas for example. on release (1.0) it had SO many bugs and memory leaks., then in 1.1, they fixed a lot, but also tryed to disable modifications which is what really annoys me about most game companies, not just rockstar, is the fact that they PREVENT modding in the fullest, which makes me like companies like bethesda softworks who 100% premote it and even provide applications to make it easier on the user, the way is see it, doing that could only increase the sales exponentially, considering when you look at sites like http://tesnexus.com, http://filefront.com and http://fallout3nexus.com and view the number of accounts, it seems most PC gamers prefer to mod (thats obvious anyways, look at this forum ffs). which is ALSO what made GTA: San Andreas so big way i see it, NO WAY will PC gamers end, the sheer customizability in it is amazing when compared to a console, like modding, graphics tweaks/mods, (take ENBseries for example, that made a LOT of classic games come into the new era) etc. what REALLY cracks me up though is when you hear people saying "well, consoles are better cuz their HD"... HD is just a fricken resolution, computers have been doin "HD" for like, the past 4 years. if ur computer resolution is 1280x768 or above, your viewing in HD thats 720p, whats funny, is computers (newer) and new monitors, are capable of supporting up to DOUBLE 1080p. HD is just a word used by companies like SONY and RCA and JVC (manufacturers of DVD players+TVs) as a marketing scheme makes you think... WTF? why the hell am i paying 400$ for a pentium 3 equivalent when i could put that towards a nice computer and get a 360 controller? computer games will never be dead, we kick the $#!T outa PS3 and 360 owners in almost every aspect (were not all garunteed to have controllers..) i do NOT agree with pirating, but you gotta look at the facts... 1. the only country that actually gives a flyin rats @$$ about copyright infringement is USA on both downloading and uploading. wheras in places like canada they only really care about the UPLOADERS 2. a good number of people who Download a pirated DVD/Game/song will later purchase it. 3. Piracy is actually VERY widely done. about every 1/5 people have pirated something or still do 4. EVERYTHING you can buy on CD you can get online. 5. pirating is becoming more and more popular and P2P sites are growing massively and becoming more and more usefull making it easier to find what you want. way i see it, stores are making it a policy here to not return PC software/games which is a retarded idea in my opinion, pirating is just a way of trying something and if i like it, i buy it. why should i buy something right out, and if i dont like it, i still gotta keep it? naw, ima DL and c. @checkmateinc hackers are killing PC gaming plain and simple. im sorry, but that is THE MOST retarded comment i read all night.. MOST "HACKERS" dont bother with games. if your talking about people like aXXo and Razor1911, they aint "hackers" their software modders/coders/rippers, NOT hackers, maybe you need to look up the definition of hackers nvm, ill do it for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_(computing)also, use this for other references.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker people never learn... REVERSE ENGINEERING IS NOT HACKING plz learn the proper meaning of the word before you start trying to use it hmm. like ur avatar tho "smokes a fatty" Edited March 25, 2009 by burgundy36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmateinc Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) Im sorry not hackers, but cheatin little ..... and theres alot of them, they make it so that a game dev has to go to the extreme to constanley update there game so people aren't raping it. soon enough they'll give up!! what R* needs to do is do dedicated servers so peps can mod, and keep there offical mutli for peps that like to compete.. piracy i don't think is doing anything to kill anything, CD's cost to much, movies aren't worth buying and games if there good ill go buy. If i would had bought a game like saints row 2 i would have been pissed, but thanks to pirating i was able to see how complete sh*t that game is. and oh yeah its 420 Edited March 25, 2009 by checkmateinc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catzilla Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Well actually in USA if they can't prove you were downloading something to keep it, they can't do anything to you. Uploading is a different story though. If you say and stand by it that you were downloading to "try it out", you're fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catzilla Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 REVERSE ENGINEERING IS NOT HACKING hacking is "doing something really well". in this sense, it is hacking, because you have to know the inner workings of computer programming in order to disassemble a program and actually make some sense out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 reasons why it’s worth to be a pcgamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealPcGamer Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 PC is still the king of games. Consoles will never beat PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Andreaser Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 it's low because the game was crap when it first installed, it was perfect only against pirates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highwayman72 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Hell I saw GTA4 for PC NEW at my local Morrisons for £9.99 just the other day.....sign of the times....next time don't wait a year to port games.....and add punkbuster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I think the messy port was the cause - the word spread fast that this game was in a pretty bad state when released, which made buyers cautious.. In fact I wish I hadn't bought myself! I still can't play due to gamebreaking bugs - and I didn't waste any time telling my friends about it. This contributed to piracy as well I think, as people wanted to check out the game before buying - and since the torrent version was just as buggy, those people didn't buy it either.. The big problem here is that Rockstar will blame this on piracy in general instead of just facing the fact that they only have themselves to blame - good games sell.. Look at Blizzard, they are doing good because they made quality games again and again and now have a huge amount of trust from the consumers. Consistency in quality means you need less marketing, which means you get a higher revenue.. it's actually quite simple. I hope Rockstar pulls their *bip* together for the next release (and spend 6 months more on development at least) - because I like this game series and would hate for them to go console exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hullkaru5 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 (edited) PC version of GTA IV was in the 7th place in the USA top 10. It isn't a good place for GTA IV but still better than Left 4 Dead or Far Cry 2. There are many reasons why is it like that but it is not the piracy for sure. It is because of this: 1) Console version came out half a year before the PC version. Many of the players already had a console version and there was no reason to buy another copy. 2) The requirements are quite high and many computers can't run the game. 3) The game isn't bought because of the errors and all the problems that occur. 4) Bad porting Edited March 28, 2009 by Hullkaru5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Yeah just one slight problem with that line of thought, it was being stolen in it's hundreds of thousands before we even knew about the supposed problems. People were downloading the game even though it hadn't been cracked so they couldn't play it yet anyway. That is the kind of mentality that publishers are up against. I can't believe that hundreds of thousands downloaded 15gbs in the hope it would get cracked. Then when it wasn't properly cracked (and it still isn't today) people started blaming Rockstar for things like "internet cafe bug" and "drunken wobbling screen" which weren't bugs but mechanisms to thwart those that stole the game. So don't use the "it was a crappy port that was why it was pirated". I have no doubt we will get the next GTA game after all the engine is running now so it would take a minimal amount of cash to produce the next one for the PC. However the long term future for GTA is less promising, the game has been systematically ABUSED by PC gamers, from stealing it to making online practically useless. I know if I was Rockstar right now I would be wondering what is the f*cking point in bringing it out for the PC, it barely sold anything and will be lucky to even cover it's costs so why go with the hassle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DML Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I know if I was Rockstar right now I would be wondering what is the f*cking point in bringing it out for the PC, it barely sold anything and will be lucky to even cover it's costs so why go with the hassle. I would hope that if you were Rockstar, you wouldn't be in the position they're in. Because you would never have stitched the Grand Theft Auto franchise to the asses of Microsoft and Sony in the first place. Therefore, thanks to you putting game quality, performance and experience before the bribes and market-flooding (such as forcing people to buy a particular brand of hardware simply to play the game, or paying the South Park production company to place little ridiculous advertisements in their show), you'd have a nice multi-platform following of gamers ready and willing to pay full price for your game. The people (Dame and Shame Houser) at Rockstar don't care for the game...they only care for the money they can pocket. To obtain the most quick bucks, they need bribes from Sony and Microsoft, and this means the game touches no other platform, and when it finally does, it gets minimal time devoted to it's development, release and support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammclean23 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 n BBC news, pc gaming is actualy the favourite http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7960498.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesley123 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Yeah just one slight problem with that line of thought, it was being stolen in it's hundreds of thousands before we even knew about the supposed problems. People were downloading the game even though it hadn't been cracked so they couldn't play it yet anyway. That is the kind of mentality that publishers are up against. I can't believe that hundreds of thousands downloaded 15gbs in the hope it would get cracked. Then when it wasn't properly cracked (and it still isn't today) people started blaming Rockstar for things like "internet cafe bug" and "drunken wobbling screen" which weren't bugs but mechanisms to thwart those that stole the game. So don't use the "it was a crappy port that was why it was pirated". I have no doubt we will get the next GTA game after all the engine is running now so it would take a minimal amount of cash to produce the next one for the PC. However the long term future for GTA is less promising, the game has been systematically ABUSED by PC gamers, from stealing it to making online practically useless. I know if I was Rockstar right now I would be wondering what is the f*cking point in bringing it out for the PC, it barely sold anything and will be lucky to even cover it's costs so why go with the hassle. You are partly right, the game was still a fking bad port, the game sucked in many ways. 1. bad performance 2. the grapics were made better for pc, you've seen it? i didnt 3. multiplayer sucks ass if you are even able to go online 4. people who actually bought the game still had those problems like drunk screen etc. Afteral i wasted 50 euros on a game i thought that would be good, but the game failes due to its many bugs and problems, you need tons of programs, plugins and tools to actually run the game. Then you have to be lucky the game will start properly. If everyting goes well you might be able to get 15 fps. The games graphics were said to be 'polished up', but it actually looks pretty sh*tty overall, you need a huge resolution to have good quality, the lightning and shadows are bugged too. But i still beleive this all isnt r* fault, afterall they knew about the problem(how could the first patch then be announced so soon?), they were pushed by micrsoft as they wanted the game very fast to make moey on it, now we all and r* are wishing they didnt did the gfwl deal and just work on their own speed. Really, i didnt care if the game was released in july 09 or later, then we all would be sure it was optimized and worked correctly, i mean no dx10 support?! that is jsut one of the things that came with microsofts pushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 This isn't a "GTA 4 sucks thread" in case you missed it. You are in a minority, the majority have had no problems with this game. I myself have logged in hundreds of hours with GTA 4 on both my machines. I do multiplayer all the time with no problems (aside from the abuse by other PC gamers with their beloved "mods"). There is simply no reason to steal this game or any game yet PC gamers still keep doing it and justifying it with "oh well it isn't up to my standards so I will keep the free copy and keep playing it". I actually own two copies of GTA 4, I think the game is fantastic it doesn't have any more bugs than most games these days. I find it abhorrent that people on here are justifying the stealing of this game. I will be the first to admit that Rockstar Toronto could have done more work on the game to make it even better. However it still wouldn't have stopped the hundred thousand odd people nicking the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 (edited) [1]Yeah just one slight problem with that line of thought, it was being stolen in it's hundreds of thousands before we even knew about the supposed problems. People were downloading the game even though it hadn't been cracked so they couldn't play it yet anyway. [2]That is the kind of mentality that publishers are up against. [3]the game has been systematically ABUSED by PC gamers, from stealing it to making online practically useless. [4]I know if I was Rockstar right now I would be wondering what is the f*cking point in bringing it out for the PC, it barely sold anything and will be lucky to even cover it's costs so why go with the hassle. [5]This isn't a "GTA 4 sucks thread" in case you missed it. You are in a minority, the majority have had no problems with this game. [6]I actually own two copies of GTA 4, I think the game is fantastic it doesn't have any more bugs than most games these days. I find it abhorrent that people on here are justifying the stealing of this game. I will be the first to admit that Rockstar Toronto could have done more work on the game to make it even better. However it still wouldn't have stopped the hundred thousand odd people nicking the game. First of all CharmingCharlie, I understand your loyalty, given that you are a moderator on a forum dedicated to GTA, but: [1] I wasn't claiming that the only reason for piracy was curiousity, because that would frankly be naive - and I'm not. But I do believe that it contributed, because people were curious and wanted to see if it worked before buying. [2] As I said, look at Blizzard, their games are doing fine, even though people download their games illegaly.. consistency and quality, something Rockstar is known for as well, which was why I bought their game without thinking twice.. Now, I just wish had thought twice.. This has hurt their image, but not destroyed it - and I didn't mean to make it sound like that was the case. [3] Piracy is a huge problem - true - but abusing loyal customers because there are thieves, is a very bad buisness model.. Imagine if Ford, or some other car company, installed software in their product that only allowed you to drive your car a certain amount of times a day, or that only 1 person had the rights to drive said vehicle, simply because alot of people out there in the world were stealing cars - how do you think consumers would respond to that? [4] If I was Rockstar I would rather look at how I could combat the problem, or even profit from it, in a meaningful way rather than cut off a potentially huge group of customers. Every pirate does not equal loss - which is something that some people don't understand .. hype, free publicity, independent reviewers - all of these things are accentuated by the pirate community. Some games who would have passed into oblivion sold much more than expected because of piracy - this is also true for films. "Evgeny Morozov tells how a buzz among file-sharers turned a small indie film into an American cult hit, and wonders if there is a model here for leveraging internet piracy as a marketing and even a financing strategy ... " link This is a perfect example of turning a problem upside down, instead of pointing fingers - think of solutions! The companies who learn how to use this phenomenon are the ones that are gonna be filthy rich. Now I don't condone piracy! I think it's amoral and wrong, but if I was the victim of it, I would rather try to find a way to work around it - because I honestly think it's here to stay.. [5]Actually a huge amount of people had problems - which is ok - as long as something is done about it. So kudos to Rockstar for releasing patches - I just wish there were more of them and that at least 1 of them had fixed my bugs. [6] Absolutely agree - but I also think that we shouldn't be afraid to tell Rockstar and other gamedevelopers that we dislike or disapprove of a product.. If we give them nothing but praise, how are they ever gonna get any better? Edited March 28, 2009 by Rosbjerg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesley123 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 This isn't a "GTA 4 sucks thread" in case you missed it. You are in a minority, the majority have had no problems with this game. I myself have logged in hundreds of hours with GTA 4 on both my machines. I do multiplayer all the time with no problems (aside from the abuse by other PC gamers with their beloved "mods"). There is simply no reason to steal this game or any game yet PC gamers still keep doing it and justifying it with "oh well it isn't up to my standards so I will keep the free copy and keep playing it". I actually own two copies of GTA 4, I think the game is fantastic it doesn't have any more bugs than most games these days. I find it abhorrent that people on here are justifying the stealing of this game. I will be the first to admit that Rockstar Toronto could have done more work on the game to make it even better. However it still wouldn't have stopped the hundred thousand odd people nicking the game. i am just giving my opinion about it, and part of that opinion is the gta 4 sucks part. My ass that the majority is having no problems, im helping like 25 people a day who are having problems getting gta4 to work or letting it work properly, sometimes it is other reasons too, but most of the time it is gta4 failing. Just saying that they should have took much more time for it, gta 4 could be a great game if they spend more time on it, but because of the lack of time it failed miserably. multiplayer is failing for alot of people too, before the 2nd patch people couldnt go online because they get autokicked, after the 2nd patch they cant go online cuz they are always the only one, rockstar keeps their point that it is cuz of the NAT settings but most of those people dont have any problems with going online in other games. Just face it, gta 4 failed miserably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I have no more loyalty to Rockstar than anyone else here, GTAforums is a fan forum completely seperate from Rockstar. I could call Rockstar a bunch of motherf*cking sheep shagging perverts if I wanted too. I am not loyal to Rockstar at all, I defend GTA 4 because it is a damn good game and has given me 100's of hours of pleasure. I keep seeing you mention Blizzard and ........... oh wait there are hardly any PC developers left (and there are even rumours that Blizzard may go multi) ask yourself why is it than in such a short space of time the PC has gone from King to getting the crumbs ? It is simply down to the fact PC gamers STEAL software. I would bet my arse that there are people quite happily playing GTA 4 that never paid for it, all safe and smug thinking they got a "game for free". Yet here you guys are using the "bad port" excuse to defend out right stealing. I personally don't think GTA 4 has hurt Rockstars image at all, I always knew what they were like and GTA 4 is in line with what I "expected". I see no abuse by Rockstar towards the legitimate consumer, I have been playing the game for months and not encountered any problem with the protection they use. If anything it makes me smile and warms my heart when I see another cretin come in whinging about the "drunk cam". You say Rockstar should find a way to profit from people stealing their software, yeah how about they think "f*ck this for a game of soldiers if PC gamers are going to steal the game we will just concentrate our efforts on platforms that have no or low levels of piracy". Believe me that is coming sooner or later, I can't see Rockstar or any other company for that matter supporting the PC long term unless PC gamers start buying games again instead of free loading because they feel they have a "right" to the software. You say that a huge number of people had problems erm not from what I have seen. We have had two polls on this very forum and the results were that 80 - 90% were quite satisfied with the way GTA 4 ran and they had no problems. Remember it is usually the minority that shouts the loudest. At the end of the day I don't believe Rockstar are entirely blameless in all this, but then I don't think PC gamers are f*cking vestal virgins either. We bitch and moan that Rockstar won't risk developing a $100 million dollar game on the PC then turn around and go "oh well I download it because I don't want to risk investing $50 on a game I might not like". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neon25 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I personally don't think GTA 4 has hurt Rockstars image at all, I always knew what they were like and GTA 4 is in line with what I "expected". I see no abuse by Rockstar towards the legitimate consumer, I have been playing the game for months and not encountered any problem with the protection they use. If anything it makes me smile and warms my heart when I see another cretin come in whinging about the "drunk cam". +1 Also take notice that GTA IV is the first in the series that got patched so many times, usually there were(if any) only one or two which fixed some very very minor things like Haiti shirt bug in VC. Now we've got 3 patches already and they fixed most of the MAJOR stuff, plus added some more options etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaudevillian Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I actually own two copies of GTA 4, Personally im waiting to see if R* release some more patches for a little more optimization. Then I will pick up to more copies. If They release a dedicated server client. Then I wont even wait for those patches and go out and buy two more copies right away. Making a good multiplayer is the best to make a game non piratable. Since the best aspects of the game are online. Most online games need a cd key check. No cd key, no multiplayer. Where I think R* went wrong is GFWL.... I am not happy with it and I'm sure 90% of players out there would say the same thing. R* took a gamble on this and it back fired. I should make a thread with a vote on it. call it: Worst Aspect of GTA 4 subtitle:Constructive criticism only. Help out R* to make GTA better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesley123 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I have no more loyalty to Rockstar than anyone else here, GTAforums is a fan forum completely seperate from Rockstar. I could call Rockstar a bunch of motherf*cking sheep shagging perverts if I wanted too. I am not loyal to Rockstar at all, I defend GTA 4 because it is a damn good game and has given me 100's of hours of pleasure. I keep seeing you mention Blizzard and ........... oh wait there are hardly any PC developers left (and there are even rumours that Blizzard may go multi) ask yourself why is it than in such a short space of time the PC has gone from King to getting the crumbs ? It is simply down to the fact PC gamers STEAL software. I would bet my arse that there are people quite happily playing GTA 4 that never paid for it, all safe and smug thinking they got a "game for free". Yet here you guys are using the "bad port" excuse to defend out right stealing. I personally don't think GTA 4 has hurt Rockstars image at all, I always knew what they were like and GTA 4 is in line with what I "expected". I see no abuse by Rockstar towards the legitimate consumer, I have been playing the game for months and not encountered any problem with the protection they use. If anything it makes me smile and warms my heart when I see another cretin come in whinging about the "drunk cam". You say Rockstar should find a way to profit from people stealing their software, yeah how about they think "f*ck this for a game of soldiers if PC gamers are going to steal the game we will just concentrate our efforts on platforms that have no or low levels of piracy". Believe me that is coming sooner or later, I can't see Rockstar or any other company for that matter supporting the PC long term unless PC gamers start buying games again instead of free loading because they feel they have a "right" to the software. You say that a huge number of people had problems erm not from what I have seen. We have had two polls on this very forum and the results were that 80 - 90% were quite satisfied with the way GTA 4 ran and they had no problems. Remember it is usually the minority that shouts the loudest. At the end of the day I don't believe Rockstar are entirely blameless in all this, but then I don't think PC gamers are f*cking vestal virgins either. We bitch and moan that Rockstar won't risk developing a $100 million dollar game on the PC then turn around and go "oh well I download it because I don't want to risk investing $50 on a game I might not like". its all the pc gamers fault sure, actually it was checked that when the prices of games dropped the sales raised by 4 times or even more, so they would make profit of it. I would surely buy a game if it was 25 euros instead of the 50, and i think alot of others would too. I jsut simply think that 50 euros is way too much for a disc with data on it, and it gets worse when the gaem is ported bad(you call gta4 a good port?) or done bad. Really, gta4 is a bad port, sure im having some good hours with it but i odnt call a game that is crashing every 30 minutes because of the memory leaking a good port, do you? After all r* did a bad job at gta4 for the pc, there was alot more expected from it. Patches didnt change anything(wow, 3th patch fixed the moving texts) and for alot of people things only got worse. The game is jsut a sh*tty port and r* knows it by themselves, i hope they have learned from it. The game has sh*tty lightning, bad shadows and not even AA or DX10 support, a bit of a game atleast got AA. I dont call it good either when textures are disappearing in front of your nose or have black stripes on them. And to get back to piracy, it will drop really far if developers make the muthaf*cking games cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitro_hedgehog Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 valve has done a fantasic job of preventing piracy with their steam platform. works alot better than securom anyway. i wonder if rockstar has considered that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrysis02 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 valve has done a fantasic job of preventing piracy with their steam platform. works alot better than securom anyway. i wonder if rockstar has considered that? LIVE is getting updated,the Marketplace too.Looking forward to it.I don't have much trouble with LIVE,i don't hate it.But it could sure use an anti-cheat protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardbug Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Making a good multiplayer is the best to make a game non piratable. Since the best aspects of the game are online. Most online games need a cd key check. No cd key, no multiplayer. Where I think R* went wrong is GFWL.... That right there could have gone a long long way to combat piracy, if they had taken a lesson from what the MOD community did with SA, and focused on cheat protection and MODable servers, maybe even precoding some proper admin controls right into the client, instead of letting M$ deface it with their GFWL abomination, then pirates would have been no problem at all, I bet SA is still selling well because of MODs like SA-MP, GTA IV wont see the continuous sales because there is no multiplayer to draw people in. I really hope they learn a lot from this release, and make the next one a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamzta09 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I bet SA is still selling well because of MODs like SA-MP, GTA IV wont see the continuous sales because there is no multiplayer to draw people in. You really want cheaters and stuff in the multiplayer? Shooting rockets with a Glock/MP5. Spawning boats and stuff on the roads in races.. Mods that I would like is Vehicle Handling mods for races (If host has a modded handling file everyone that connects to it gets the same file temporary) New areas. More vehicles perhaps. Bowling/Burgershot and stuff/Clothing shops and bars in Freeroaming or Partymode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vert101 Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 (edited) Ah well... I see people are either defending or dissing R* This dun matter a f*ck to me really... The fact of the matter is Devs should work on PC versions first (Just to make Verto happy)... instead of spreading their butt cheeks for the console boys... To tell you the truth I liked GTAIV... I really did... but it had a lot of bugs... but just about every game that ever came out for PC had bugs... however I didn't like the fact that R* would prefer console to PC... Now you can tell me that console makes more money... I can tell you... yeah it does... "in the short term" But... see... there is this thing called a fan base... and the majority of that fan base were PC users... some of us PC users did kind of experiment with consoles... however if they were anything like me... they thought that they were a sub standard piece of sh*t and will never go back to them. so... this thing about piracy... well... sh*t... if you want to see how well your product performs... on the world market... I suggest you develope primarily for PC... because we are your primary customer base. don't get me wrong... I'm not dissing your product... it's a good product. I f*cking like the game. however... what I'm also saying is... don't lay all your chips with consoles... it's harder to port from console to PC... so why bother. Make it easy... and take it easy Piracy is always going to be there... you still have many customers this side of the woods... people will buy a well optimised product for the PC... I think I might have said all this sh*t before... can I please get someone to quote me on that? reach out and touch faith Edited March 30, 2009 by Vert101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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