Gen0cide_ Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I have an Idea how to stop piracy: I think that each game should come with a special controller that was dedicated to play the game,in addition normal mouse or keyboard will not be recognized by the game, so every gamer will have to buy the game with the controller, the controller can be very simple and cheaper then the securom. What you think?? So all the pirates have to do is make a patch for the game that bypasses usage of the pad. Heres a better idea to stop piracy No longer make it an issue. Its a known fact that PC gamers play the average game for a hell of a lot longer than any other market. Why don't developers do like Unreal Tournament and allow mods to be ported to consoles. This could have a huge impact on the life of their "products" and allow the monkeys on their consoles to have access to the things that make the PC so great. It also put new-found priorities on PC gamers because R* will have to make sure that the PC versions are stable enough to let devs mod them. The problem with piracy is that companies are being forced to think outside the box, and they don't want to cos they used to make money the same way without having to. (Calling console gamers monkeys is not elitism, its the simple understanding that more than half of the console gamers in the market own one without knowing how it works or generally much about gaming, and most that I know originally bought theirs for the image of owning one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killuminati91 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I have an Idea how to stop piracy: I think that each game should come with a special controller that was dedicated to play the game,in addition normal mouse or keyboard will not be recognized by the game, so every gamer will have to buy the game with the controller, the controller can be very simple and cheaper then the securom. What you think?? HAHAHA this is a f*ckin joke right? I think every game should come with a cage and handcuffs that you have to attach to the keyboard so only YOU can play the game... PLUS DNA scan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I have an Idea how to stop piracy: I think that each game should come with a special controller that was dedicated to play the game,in addition normal mouse or keyboard will not be recognized by the game, so every gamer will have to buy the game with the controller, the controller can be very simple and cheaper then the securom. What you think?? HAHAHA this is a f*ckin joke right? I think every game should come with a cage and handcuffs that you have to attach to the keyboard so only YOU can play the game... PLUS DNA scan The best anti-piracy methods would be a) create a fine product and hope for the best b) release games on cartridges . Those worked well, back then where there were no emulators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen0cide_ Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) Cartridges actually aren't a bad idea! I mean, think about it, how long does it take for emulators to actually become stable? But creating a fine (bug free) product is also a good move, and personally, I think too much publicity is bad. Look at Sins of a Solar Empire, its like the American Dream of the Gaming World! Small company releases no-name game with sub par graphics and low budget design which goes on to win tons of awards and top the charts for 5 weeks! Edited February 17, 2009 by Gen0cide_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Cartridges actually aren't a bad idea! I mean, think about it, how long does it take for emulators to actually become stable? No mate, cartridges can not hold more then a small amount of data. Look at Sega Saturn, or whatever it was called. You had a cartridge for the game itself, while most of the content (music, vids and animations) were stored on CD's. It was one sorry display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen0cide_ Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 yeah but that was back then, these days we have flash memory that can hole 8gb in a space smaller than my fingernail. SD micro anyone? They could develop something like that in a cartridge with a very slow built in processor or something to stop it being easily copied off of the cartridge. The game would use that processor whilst playing to check it was legal and to process simple parts of the game, giving us a performance boost and simultaneously protecting the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 That might be a good idea for fixed sets of hardware, i.e. consoles. Last time I checked, we're PC gamers 1) flash is slower then standard a HDD >> lower performance 2) higher production costs 3) they would have to use some standard protection system and it would get cracked in no time Point no. 2 is enough to nip it the bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptPusheen Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I have an Idea how to stop piracy: I think that each game should come with a special controller that was dedicated to play the game,in addition normal mouse or keyboard will not be recognized by the game, so every gamer will have to buy the game with the controller, the controller can be very simple and cheaper then the securom. What you think?? Yeah, it's really clever... In my imagination I see a huge pile of cheap pads and keyboards in the middle of my room... Anyway, there is already a way to protect content in hardware way... It's called a dongle. You as an expert and anti-noob should know that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObsessedWithGTA4 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 500 games, that's easy, just go to Wal-Mart and buy that 1000 arcade games on a CD-ROM! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vert101 Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) Ok... I'm going to be a pain in the ass and add another comment about how you can stop piracy in the western world. YOU CANNOT STOP IT... SIMPLE Unless pirates are treated like those students in tiananmen square, I don't think anything short of that will stop it. OK... that point aside... how can devs make good money off honest customers? Firstly... I think that big devs already make good money from honest customers secondly... I think they should stop acting like used car salesmen, which screw their customers out of their hard earned dollars for an inferior and unoptimised product, and actually consider feedback from their customers to improve on their product design. But all that crap aside... GTA4 was a good game... it should never have nailed the customer to the wall with DRM, but, overall I would consider it ok. See all this stuff adds up on a point scoring system worldwide. People start talking about their experience with the game. They talk to their friends. They talk to stangers. They talk to their moms. They just like to talk. That's gamers for you. However this problem primarily lies in the lap of developers worldwide. People don't like to spend big bucks on things that don't work none to good. I'm not trying to single out R* here... what I am saying is that major devs like EA do have this tendancy towards the... Used Car Salesman Ethos. Just remember this Big Devs... we as a customer hold the purse strings... what was that saying?... "money talks... and bullsh*t walks" just remember that... Edited March 23, 2009 by Vert101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I think they should stop acting like used car salesmen, which screw their customers out of their hard earned dollars for an inferior and unoptimised product, and actually consider feedback from their customers to improve on their product design. This. It's a cursed circle. They don't invest enough in games -> people don't buy into sh*tty products -> so developers invest even less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfTimer Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 A friend of mine has never bought an original XBox 360 game. He downloads them from torrent sites and then uses some special technique to burn them so they're good enough to fool Microsoft. It's been years now and his account still stands. As a PC gamer, I can only say this situation is LOL. It's so LOL mainly because of this whole noise about piracy killing PC games. There maybe many reasons for the present situation but believe me... piracy is just not one of them. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 A friend of mine has never bought an original XBox 360 game. He downloads them from torrent sites and then uses some special technique to burn them so they're good enough to fool Microsoft. You can go online with xbox and pirated games? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallerin Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Games will always get pirated its a fact. What a man creates another man can undo. Reason why all these cracking groups do what they do is because the companies always throughing something out saying it can not be cracked or it is impossible to crack. All that does is give the cracker even more reason to prove them wrong. As with GTA IV there saying we spent all this money on pretection you will not be able to crack it and play for free. They were proven wrong and yet again did nothing with 1.0.3 as the game is cracked already. If they just took all the cash they spent on protection and put more towards the development to make the game better I believe more people will spend there hard earned money on it esspecially now with the way the economy is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallerin Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 A friend of mine has never bought an original XBox 360 game. He downloads them from torrent sites and then uses some special technique to burn them so they're good enough to fool Microsoft. You can go online with xbox and pirated games? LOL Yea but you have to hack your 360. It was hacked not long after it was released cause the game are still on regular dvd. PS3 will be up there on the list when bluray burners are cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Driver Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) A friend of mine has never bought an original XBox 360 game. He downloads them from torrent sites and then uses some special technique to burn them so they're good enough to fool Microsoft. You can go online with xbox and pirated games? LOL YES YOU CAN. And it's good. You don't have to pay for GTA IV if you want to play TLAD. Only for DLC. (Why we must buy blur sh*tty mess the game for X360 if we bought PC version which is more better?) Edited March 23, 2009 by Street Mix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesley123 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 really, the problem of piracy is in the developpers self, if they jsut deliver a good product more people would buy it rather than downlaoding it. Really expect really bad sales for gta 5, but still alot of people has gta5 on their pc's later, why? simply because they dont think its worth the money. You see, the games i bought were because i thought i would spend my money good, like i expected on gta4, i jsut wasted 45 euros on a game that is nearly playable, wich i expected to be good. Dont get my wrong, ive downlaoded alot of games, like all the nfs since carbon, why? because i dont think those games are worth their money, sure, the game is fun to play for once or twice, but not as much that it is worth its 5o euros. If they just siply lower the prices for the games i would buy more games, 50 euros for a simple disc is way too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Taboga Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 really, the problem of piracy is in the developpers self, if they jsut deliver a good product more people would buy it rather than downlaoding it. Really expect really bad sales for gta 5, but still alot of people has gta5 on their pc's later, why? simply because they dont think its worth the money. You see, the games i bought were because i thought i would spend my money good, like i expected on gta4, i jsut wasted 45 euros on a game that is nearly playable, wich i expected to be good. Dont get my wrong, ive downlaoded alot of games, like all the nfs since carbon, why? because i dont think those games are worth their money, sure, the game is fun to play for once or twice, but not as much that it is worth its 5o euros. If they just siply lower the prices for the games i would buy more games, 50 euros for a simple disc is way too much I absolutely agree. The prices of original Games are just too high. Who can afford that? I bought Fallout 3 and GTA IV last year cause those were the only quality Games worth the Price and the other Games i got on an "alternative" way. I would like buy many many of those other Games if they were not that expensive. But watch out there will be some morons here shouting "THIEF! THIEF!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFixXxeR Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 If they just siply lower the prices for the games i would buy more games, 50 euros for a simple disc is way too much Keep in mind you are not just buying a "simple" blank disc. You are buying the time/energy put into developing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamzta09 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Crappy Ports, DRM is killing PC gaming. Not piracy. The developers and publisher just want to hide their sorry ass and blame piracy that is killing PC and that is totally wrong. Piracy is part of helping consumers to try the product out before they purchase them aswell (not all do, but some do) Its not stealing if you purchase it later on. And Im pretty sure its the damn greedy developers whom got SOOO Much money compared to the average joe in the world. They complain they dont get enough money to buy another 50 bentleys while the average joe can barely pay for his own food! Anyway DRM, unfinished games, bad ports, wait for patches (Empire total war.... midsummer they said the multicore is coming yay! Buy the game, wait another 4 months before you can play it!) less DLC for PC users, they should sell the games as they did before, CD KEYS and one service that links all games to one account (kinda like GFWL) or similar to steam. And IP Checks! J/K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA_Godfather Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Bad ports/dumbed-down console games hi-jacked from the PC/lack of a port/long awaited ports (GTA IV), DRM, etc. are what antagonizes PC gamers. This leads to bitterness and animosity between us and them. Hard to make strides forward and get consumers (us) to take developers seriously when they bitch about piracy. This is why I feel many of them really DON'T care about us or the format. If they did, they would get at the heart of the matter and quit hiding behind piracy as excuse. Like some have said, piracy will always be there. But developers haven't done much to endear themselves to the PC gaming contingent. If developers treated us better, you'd see more self-policing against piracy. Who wants to take the developers side when this is how they treat us? Just look at companies like Valve. They get treated well by the loyal PC gamers. Other developers need to follow suit and squash late/crappy ports, and DRM. Quit selling out to console makers. Quit diluting the quality of your PC product just to cater to console children (with dumbed-down games). I'd like to see console gamers have deal with what PC gamers have had to deal with. Can you imagine a delayed console launch for GTA IV or even lower frame rates because the PC was the lead platform and their outdated hardware could not handle it all? Can you imagine storyline details being exposed before they got the chance to play the game? Oh the humanity! LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaudevillian Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I love that quote. In the meantime, if you want to make profitable PC games, I'd recommend focusing more effort on satisfying the people willing to spend money on your product and less effort on making what others perceive as hot. But then again, I don't romanticize PC game development. I just want to play cool games and make a profit on games that I work on. I believe gta 4 was a direct port from xbox, optimized enough to run on a really high end pc. Means that the majority of the market cannot afford to run this game. Rockstar made a bad choice of a port instead of a rebuild (extract and decrypt the xbox version and I think you will notice the same structure minus the emulation drivers). The reason I believe that is not running so well is how the data is stacked in the pipeline. The new 1030 patch fixed some of this in the way it loads thats why I believe we are seeing better benchmarks. This is why public beta testing is good, or in house game testing with a lot of systems! DEMOS DEMOS DEMOS! World of warcraft did not get to where it was today with out a demo. This also helps the user see if they can run the game. Don't release a game knowing it has problems with minimum specs with a wide variety of problems. Your customers will bash you for it, then your paying customers will less likely not buy another product. Not producing a demo only means you are trying to hide something. *speaks with anger in his voice* SecuROM, I am not pleased with the fact that is on this disk at all. You want to protect this game take a chapter from successful multiplayer game companies, all you need is a CD key and a user account. Any users that has this CD key will protect it with their life. The only thing right now that is stopping Rockstar from earning two more purchases of this game from me is themselfs. I have 3 copies of GTA VC(multiplayer reasons), GTA SA(multiplayer reasons), NWN(SOU, HOTU, KM), NWN2(MOTB, SOZ, MOW) HL PE, HL2 CE, Diablo 2(with expansions) Starcraft(Broodwar) Homeworld(1&2) just to list a few, all bought and paid for. I dont just buy a game but three games when there is good multiplayer involved. That also requires 3 computers I have to pay for. But you decided to go the route of heavy CPU usage instead of making use of all these peoples amazing video cards (SLI/CrossFire). Back to the topic sorry its a little long winded, but when a game designer makes a bad game its their own fault as to why I wont buy it. When I have to download *caugh* a cracked version to get a taste of a game with apperently a lot of hype from Media and there is no demo and the game is crap. I never play the thing again, I delete it from my computer and think about the developer on the next game they release and chances are I wont even try it. Hard drive space is precious to me, I dont want a game I will never use again on there. With all these other wonderful games to play and share with friends. I dont know how many friends have come over to lan with me and ended up buy some of these games. Right now GTA 4 is not on my lan list and wont be until a few more patches/optimizations. Word of mouth goes a long way. Dont blame pirates when it comes to a bad game. Im not saying GTA 4 is a bad game but it still needs work to be called a really good game. That should have been done in beta testing not gold! In the end: Pirating is only a small problem when you think about it. The other problem lays with the company and how they do business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) You don't have to pay for GTA IV if you want to play TLAD. Only for DLC. So, for some reason, you believe TLAD is not freely available? Hmm? Bad ports/dumbed-down console games hi-jacked from the PC/lack of a port/long awaited ports (GTA IV), DRM, etc. are what antagonizes PC gamers. This leads to bitterness and animosity between us and them. Hard to make strides forward and get consumers (us) to take developers seriously when they bitch about piracy. This is why I feel many of them really DON'T care about us or the format. If they did, they would get at the heart of the matter and quit hiding behind piracy as excuse. Like some have said, piracy will always be there. But developers haven't done much to endear themselves to the PC gaming contingent. If developers treated us better, you'd see more self-policing against piracy. Who wants to take the developers side when this is how they treat us? Just look at companies like Valve. They get treated well by the loyal PC gamers. Other developers need to follow suit and squash late/crappy ports, and DRM. Quit selling out to console makers. Quit diluting the quality of your PC product just to cater to console children (with dumbed-down games). I'd like to see console gamers have deal with what PC gamers have had to deal with. Can you imagine a delayed console launch for GTA IV or even lower frame rates because the PC was the lead platform and their outdated hardware could not handle it all? Can you imagine storyline details being exposed before they got the chance to play the game? Oh the humanity! LOL. Good to see you back, mate When you look in comments on various torrent sites, there are loads of people saying how the game should be bought because it's good (I've seen such remarks for Half-life Orange Box and the Witcher; typically Valve/steam titles) or because it doesn't feature any DRM (the latest Prince of Persia). I think those people provide a perspective developers/publishers could learn something from. This magic circle that IMO can only be broken if developers start to put more into their games. People don't want to give their hard earned cash for some colorful overhyped only-good-to-look-at garble. They want entertainment, it' always been like this. Piracy can't hurt the game industry as much as bad developing and greed can. Edited March 24, 2009 by mkey82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastt Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Crappy Ports, DRM is killing PC gaming. Not piracy. The developers and publisher just want to hide their sorry ass and blame piracy that is killing PC and that is totally wrong. that is so true.... piracy "in the pc industry" isnt as bad as console Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t047 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 For those that think PC gaming is dying id advise to read this. But I do think that the biggest PC games are likely to be online ones such as WoW so we're just seeing a shifting trend and lesser numbers of games such as GTA IV contribute to PC sales. For games like GTA IV, piracy will definitely hurt it, look at SA, it had no activation stuff and its the 2nd or 3rd most pirated game so I guess TakeTwo mustve been pretty peeved that it lost all that revenue especially as it made a loss in '08 (I think). On a side note I also think the next Fallout game is gonna be 'protected' as it had no activation whatsoever and it was the 7th most pirated on the list, so yes pirating does hurt the game especially upcoming newer versions. BUT Ive gotta say that pirates can just bypass most of it, cause when theres a will theres a way. Heck, theres pirate copies for HL2. And look at spore/bioshock - games which had some serious protection but the pirates cut right through it, the only people that it hurt was those who bought the original copies. I think the PC game industry is looking for that 'special activation' that cant be bypassed nor inconveniences legitimate users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truehighroller Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 It is just as bad on consoles so, blah blah blah and no it's not, lazy ports are though. I bought this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 For those that think PC gaming is dying id advise to read this. I would like to warn you and say that the PCGA is load of rubbish and shouldn't exist as MS plays a major role there. The same MS that forces the crappy GWFL services, the same MS that with help of their little EA games warmongers tries to do everything to hinder (dilute) PC gaming market. PC's with Windows are for wrkin' and xbrix is for playin'. But I agree with the general notion that PC gaming i not dying. It's just that lately the number of quality releases has been rather low. All around, not only on PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExistHaunebu Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 But I agree with the general notion that PC gaming i not dying. It's just that lately the number of quality releases has been rather low. All around, not only on PC. Its sad to say this, but it´s fact. today where we have so amazing gpu´s now, the most developers spend a lot time to make their games very good looking. That´s ok, i wished for that, since i had my first C64 in 1986 . But a good look is not everything. I want gameplay. And not even the best GPU in the world can make a boring gameplay to a blockbuster. Take a look to the new james-bond-game for example!!! There´s nothing new, everything was seen years before, like in the most other games too. But here in GTA we have another Problem. We have a good gameplay, we have a nice look...........so far so good. But from a technikal Point of view, Rockstar would be better, if they made a later release of that game for PC, then to sell a BETA in december and make jokes to the communtity with they 360-Controller-crap, with their Patches what are far away from good working at all, and so on. In this case, sometimes i wish i hadn´t spend money for this joke called game. Rockstar should think about, it´s their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vert101 Posted March 24, 2009 Author Share Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) Well... if we actually take a step back from this, we will see that a lot of PC gamers are starting to think that PC game Devs, are akin to used car salesman.. the most hated profession in the world. But the thing is... some of these bastards actually have a good product to sell... So how do you bargain with a c*nt you be a c*nt. If the attitude changes on the developers side... then the attitude will change on the buyers side. yin and yang baby suck me suck you F*ck me F*ck you. But maybe I'm being a little bit to forward here... your thoughts? Edited March 24, 2009 by Vert101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmateinc Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 hackers are killing PC gaming plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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