AK47-Maximus Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I put my Q6600 back to stock clock and this is my resut ... 15-20fps less then with 3.6GHz. http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3555/clipfw3.jpg Overclocking can do wonders to this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custard Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Wait, are you saying that a faster CPU will give better performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK47-Maximus Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 Wait, are you saying that a faster CPU will give better performance? Actualyl all Im saying poeple who arent happy with their performance (and there is many of those) should try to overclock. Its not that hard really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidan87 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Wait, are you saying that a faster CPU will give better performance? Yeah, this game is very CPU intensive, thanks to Euphoria and the amount of stuff going on (peds,cars..etc). Let's not forget its not-so-well optimization on lower PC spec as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Asian Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Wait, are you saying that a faster CPU will give better performance? Actualyl all Im saying poeple who arent happy with their performance (and there is many of those) should try to overclock. Its not that hard really. But if one doesn't know what they are doing, I'd advise them not to do so. It can be hard for those who do not understand computers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Awesome work. Just atleast add "Warning you must study very closely on how to overclock before you attempt to, because you can break your hardware" Or some sort of disclaimer, to prevent feeling like crap when some 8 year old comes in here bawling his heart out. what is your placebo and what is your effect? I wanna know what your changes started from and ended at. 3.6 would be huge for a 2.4 hell huge for a 3.0 . what steps did you take ? oh and did you clock the gpu any? pci slot? memory ? But on another note, excellent work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatsCool Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 It really does wonders before my brother had on his radeon x1650 pro with an amd x2 4800+ only like 15 fps now he overclocked the core from 600 mhz to 650 mhz and he has now 18 to 20 fps really playable now but the thing i dont understand is why the fps goes to 14-15 fps when he has damage on his car? the cpu is not overclocked he also turned off bloom and has the norestrictions command does someone know why is this?: but the thing i dont understand is why the fps goes to 14-15 fps when he has damage on his car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 It really does wonders before my brother had on his radeon x1650 pro with an amd x2 4800+ only like 15 fps now he overclocked the core from 600 mhz to 650 mhz and he has now 18 to 20 fps really playable nowbut the thing i dont understand is why the fps goes to 14-15 fps when he has damage on his car? the cpu is not overclocked he also turned off bloom and has the norestrictions command does someone know why is this?: but the thing i dont understand is why the fps goes to 14-15 fps when he has damage on his car? Maybe the car is smoking and his gp/cpu are chugging to draw it? I am unsure, but it would have been nice to be able to disable the smoke/fog and find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatsCool Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 No even when he has one little scratch the fps goes down. its like a emulation for damage for older cards starts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 No even when he has one little scratch the fps goes down. its like a emulation for damage for older cards starts... See this whole "emulation" and "Memory leak" thing is way off track, man. when you said emulation you fried me. I will have to come back, because I am dumbfounded. but I will try and help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatsCool Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 No but it feels like a big program gets started when he crashs a car and has damage on his car even after 5 minutes after the crash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 can you get teh specs of his card and post them? pixle shader directX compliance and so fourth. The card isn't the newest but it isn't a peicer it just might not be built to run what the game is calling for. no matter how you overclock it, it still has the same build. You know what i mean?.. post some stats on it and let the bunch look into it with you. brb I have to go get smokes, I left mine at the damn carwash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatsCool Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 First i give some information of the card mthen im making screenshots whats happening I send him a message over ICQ and tell him that he should make a screenshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatsCool Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Yea this are his screens. i have much the same processor but dont get these fps dropdowns whn I HAVE CAR DAMAGE maybe its because of my much better graphicscard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK47-Maximus Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 Awesome work. Just atleast add "Warning you must study very closely on how to overclock before you attempt to, because you can break your hardware" Or some sort of disclaimer, to prevent feeling like crap when some 8 year old comes in here bawling his heart out. what is your placebo and what is your effect? I wanna know what your changes started from and ended at. 3.6 would be huge for a 2.4 hell huge for a 3.0 . what steps did you take ? oh and did you clock the gpu any? pci slot? memory ? But on another note, excellent work. I cant really tell you what would work for your MB. But upping the FSB, leaving the multi at 9, moving voltage to 0.0135, mem voltage at 1.85 .. VTT FSB @ 8% worked for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Yea this are his screens. i have much the same processor but dont get these fps dropdowns whn I HAVE CAR DAMAGE maybe its because of my much better graphicscard Get a copy of his directx readings. the part that shows his graphics card. need to know what his pixel shader is. and what ever i can't thin k of at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanmies Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Wait, are you saying that a faster CPU will give better performance? Yes. A better PC will give better performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatsCool Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 LMAO his fps dropdown is GONE he just overclocked his card alittle bit more to 660 mhz and now theres no fps dropdown when car damage dont know why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custard Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Wait, are you saying that a faster CPU will give better performance? Yes. A better PC will give better performance. Whoda thunk it? Thanks for the confirmation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PestilenceJM Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Wait, are you saying that a faster CPU will give better performance? Actualyl all Im saying poeple who arent happy with their performance (and there is many of those) should try to overclock. Its not that hard really. But its like saying to someone, take a parachute on and jump from a plane... ...people do not really know how to overclock, and theres a risk to destroy your CPU. So to all people who now might to try and overclock: Dont try it if your not 100% knowing what you are doing. Overclocking needs not just knowledge but also experience. Of course, often people are lucky: they go for overclocking without much knowledge and it works. But it happens over and over again that people try to overclock (even just a bit) and destroy their CPU. When its dead, then its over... you cant even ask for help on the forums anymore with your PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I put my Q6600 back to stock clock and this is my resut ... 15-20fps less then with 3.6GHz. http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3555/clipfw3.jpg Overclocking can do wonders to this game. Sure overclocking can do wonders for any game not running at 100%. But if you think Rockstar made their game so you had to overclock to play it, well... need I say more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I put my Q6600 back to stock clock and this is my resut ... 15-20fps less then with 3.6GHz. http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3555/clipfw3.jpg Overclocking can do wonders to this game. Sure overclocking can do wonders for any game not running at 100%. But if you think Rockstar made their game so you had to overclock to play it, well... need I say more? Yes please do. Should software be scaled down to work with your current hardware?: Or should hardware companies be forced to up their standards to make the software fly ? Or do you have something else in mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I put my Q6600 back to stock clock and this is my resut ... 15-20fps less then with 3.6GHz. http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3555/clipfw3.jpg Overclocking can do wonders to this game. Sure overclocking can do wonders for any game not running at 100%. But if you think Rockstar made their game so you had to overclock to play it, well... need I say more? Yes please do. Should software be scaled down to work with your current hardware?: Or should hardware companies be forced to up their standards to make the software fly ? Or do you have something else in mind? Trux if it wasn't for the poor code, and bloat-ly-ness looping, the hardware would be fine. I can create a game that takes all the cpu too. It's not hard to write jumbo code and make the hardware cripple to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 (edited) I put my Q6600 back to stock clock and this is my resut ... 15-20fps less then with 3.6GHz. http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3555/clipfw3.jpg Overclocking can do wonders to this game. Sure overclocking can do wonders for any game not running at 100%. But if you think Rockstar made their game so you had to overclock to play it, well... need I say more? Yes please do. Should software be scaled down to work with your current hardware?: Or should hardware companies be forced to up their standards to make the software fly ? Or do you have something else in mind? Trux if it wasn't for the poor code, and bloat-ly-ness looping, the hardware would be fine. I can create a game that takes all the cpu too. It's not hard to write jumbo code and make the hardware cripple to it. You mean like all the other games coming out that everyone is saying are poorly coded? I really think this is an old school classic case of software exceeding hardware. You might be to young to remember the days when this was very common, If that is the case, I can see how it would be offensive or unthinkable. I mean really, the whole idea of "the future" is inconceivable. Especially when you barely have a past to base things on. But back to the theory that software would be exceeding hardware. Hardware has been really powerful for the past 8 or nine years and software has been pretty smooth running. I could only imagen that software writers have been writing code with the practice of staying within their limitations (by majority of users) but as we see how so many people (maybe not you but others) have actually seen game performance increase and issues with missing images and flickering and stuttering, just disappearing after installing drivers. To me it sure looks like game developers are tired of being accused of writing lame games so they are all forcing hardware creators to fix their junk. Like nvidia and ati have just been sh$tty about updating their drivers and what hardware they should focus most on. This looks like they are once again setting standards for pc usage. See if it was not for Video games setting standards in the past, alot of what we have today would still be crap. Like Hd tv would not even been conceived, digital cable, hell no. I mean if it was not for online gamers wanting more bandwidth from their isp, and the isp pleasing them, we would still be at 56k. If it was not for games of the Past cranking up graphics so much it was unplayable, hardware vendors wouldn't have had the kick in the butt, it takes to motivate them to create better graphics cards. After a while , Hardware companies pretty much got the idea and started cranking out crap and upgrading and updating like crazy. Well they seem to have not spead up with society and it apears they have become outdated and need to grow with society. New software, needs new hardware. Edited January 18, 2009 by TruXter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I put my Q6600 back to stock clock and this is my resut ... 15-20fps less then with 3.6GHz. http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3555/clipfw3.jpg Overclocking can do wonders to this game. Sure overclocking can do wonders for any game not running at 100%. But if you think Rockstar made their game so you had to overclock to play it, well... need I say more? Yes please do. Should software be scaled down to work with your current hardware?: Or should hardware companies be forced to up their standards to make the software fly ? Or do you have something else in mind? Trux if it wasn't for the poor code, and bloat-ly-ness looping, the hardware would be fine. I can create a game that takes all the cpu too. It's not hard to write jumbo code and make the hardware cripple to it. You mean like all the other games coming out that everyone is saying are poorly coded? I really think this is an old school classic case of software exceeding hardware. You might be to young to remember the days when this was very common, If that is the case, I can see how it would be offensive or unthinkable. I mean really, the whole idea of "the future" is inconceivable. Especially when you barely have a past to base things on. But back to the theory that software would be exceeding hardware. Hardware has been really powerful for the past 8 or nine years and software has been pretty smooth running. I could only imagen that software writers have been writing code with the practice of staying within their limitations (by majority of users) but as we see how so many people (maybe not you but others) have actually seen game performance increase and issues with missing images and flickering and stuttering, just disappearing after installing drivers. To me it sure looks like game developers are tired of being accused of writing lame games so they are all forcing hardware creators to fix their junk. Like nvidia and ati have just been sh$tty about updating their drivers and what hardware they should focus most on. This looks like they are once again setting standards for pc usage. See if it was not for Video games setting standards in the past, alot of what we have today would still be crap. Like Hd tv would not even been conceived, digital cable, hell no. I mean if it was not for online gamers wanting more bandwidth from their isp, and the isp pleasing them, we would still be at 56k. If it was not for games of the Past cranking up graphics so much it was unplayable, hardware vendors wouldn't have had the kick in the butt, it takes to motivate them to create better graphics cards. After a while , Hardware companies pretty much got the idea and started cranking out crap and upgrading and updating like crazy. Well they seem to have not spead up with society and it apears they have become outdated and need to grow with society. New software, needs new hardware. Well you started making the correct theory. You quickly darted off and somewhat came back. Yes coders were writting code very efficient and tested very well, they were trained to do this. However, the truth to what is really going on is now companies are hiring people with less experience and paying them less. Now coders also have to leave "their place" and code out something they never were trained with before. They started leaving the "This is how you write a program circle". On the last note about hardware: Quality has shifted and it does not matter if hardware lasts 10 years or 6-12 months. Your seeing a lot more "hot stuff" as we cram mainly speed onto these boards. Same goes with codding, as it does not matter if you still accomplish the same task as long as the cpu can get through it. So let's make the code work the hell out of the hardware, because we don't have time to review ours and make it work better and easier for the cpu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Overclocking can do wonders to this game. Yes, check these two benchmarks, same rig and GFX settings, just running the Qx9650 at stock 3 Ghz and at 4 Ghz. 8 FPS boost with the extra 1 Ghz, maybe not an incredible result but this makes GTA 4 run smoother, with higher minimum FPS like under rain / night, etc ... 3.0 Ghz - no oc Statistics Average FPS: 48.68 Duration: 37.24 sec CPU Usage: 70% System memory usage: 70% Video memory usage: 58% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: High Render Quality: Highest View Distance: 100 Detail Distance: 100 Hardware Microsoft® Windows Vista" Ultimate Service Pack 1 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 Video Driver version: 185.20 Audio Adapter: Alto-falantes (2- Razer Barracuda AC-1 Gaming Audio Card) Intel® Core2 Extreme CPU X9650 @ 3.00GHz File ID: Benchmark.cli 4.0 Ghz Statistics Average FPS: 56.37 Duration: 37.18 sec CPU Usage: 69% System memory usage: 73% Video memory usage: 58% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: High Render Quality: Highest View Distance: 100 Detail Distance: 100 Hardware Microsoft® Windows Vista" Ultimate Service Pack 1 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 Video Driver version: 185.20 Audio Adapter: Alto-falantes (2- Razer Barracuda AC-1 Gaming Audio Card) Intel® Core2 Extreme CPU X9650 @ 3.00GHz File ID: Benchmark.cli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Zackox, that is a very unrealistic over exagerated idea of how things work. Almost cartoonish. Considering I am a designer, my boss would have my nuts in a bag for something as far fetched as that. Finger pointing would be the first thing to face in the office the next day. Co-workers are not true to each other. You know damn well someone would have a blog somewhere talking about how the office asshat took charge and screwed up a good game. If that was even close to being realistic. You have an active imagination about reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 (edited) Zackox, that is a very unrealistic over exagerated idea of how things work.Almost cartoonish. Considering I am a designer, my boss would have my nuts in a bag for something as far fetched as that. Finger pointing would be the first thing to face in the office the next day. Co-workers are not true to each other. You know damn well someone would have a blog somewhere talking about how the office asshat took charge and screwed up a good game. If that was even close to being realistic. You have an active imagination about reality. Really? I do? Designer of what? Sorry Trux but I am not wrong. I don't understand how you could think otherwise. You were partly right, I won't say you weren't when you were. Maybe if you explain to me why I am wrong with the whole code thing, I would TRY to believe you. But that's not gonna happen because you don't know. And it's what it is. You can't change it. Edited January 18, 2009 by ZaCkOX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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