I believe I have a reason for all game problems

[Altare]

The issue is simple, and has nothing to do with the port, imo.

 

The game has been thoroughly tested with nvidia, but was obviously not tested with ati, and that is a piss poor decision.

 

Simply put:

side with nvidia, get their $$$ and do nothing or do the minimum to fix the game for ati users = FAIL & LOSE MONEY.

 

I was one devoted rockstar game buyer once. Went as far as to buy san andreas for the pc and ps2, so that me and my brother could play at the same time, given how perfect that game was.

 

but after you idiots pull out this sh*t with ati owners and gta 4? I seriously am not going to pay for your future games, dude.

 

Simply put again:

nvidia are those same motherf*ckers who bought 3dfx and secured the projects in a drawer, to screw people over with their overpriced, power hungry video adapters, depriving the pc gaming world of an architecture that promised wonders in terms of cost-performance ratios... so they could produce video cards that not only cost AT LEAST 25% more than those of the competition... and perform comparably, but that have issues nonetheless.

 

Siding with that "best played with nvidia" sh*t? it's all going back into your ass, dude.

 

One of those decision-making pieces of sh*t in rockstar team should probably start considering now that he has lost one dedicated customer, who knows that your last game would be INCREDIBLE, if it ran for more than 10 f*cking minutes without giving a problem that is even documented.

 

f*ck your rockstar and nvidia. The insult of not being able to play the game, to such a point, after shelling the big bucks, has in fact never happened to me before, regardless of the game maker.

 

I guess it's all down to a commercial decision? Well, at least you won't be able to count on my money, dude.

PS

it's obviously pointless to try to get assistance, since there's hundreds of people out there, who have the same f*cking identical problem, and you don't even have a f*cking answer yet. And we're not talking about ati 9000s. We're talking about top of the f*cking line. Brand new HD models who won't render shadows or would simply "run out of memory".

 

PPS

don't even f*cking get me started on how imbecile is that "rockstar games club" paired with the utterly retarded "games for windows sh*t", dude. I don't even want to THINK about the number of development hours on those two idiocies, in the face of the state of the game for ati users.

 

just so the average reader knows, my rig is an:

AMD 64 X2 6000+ [proud to buy amd]

ATI sapphire x1950 xt (game locks both with omega and cata drivers...) [proud to buy ati]

2GB of ram

with which I played and completed far cry 2, amongst countless others, at max detail, without a f*cking glitch.

[Lastsource]

The game is a mess with Nvidia graphics cards as well. For once Nvidia is not to blaim. I have seen the "out of video memory" error on my Geforce 9600 GT as well. GTA 4 is just a very poor port.

 

Besides, the reason for the Nvidia cards being more expensive is simple. ATI failed to deliver good performance compared to Nvidia at the time with their HD 3xxx series. Products with about the same performance usually cost about the same. Now that ATI is back with their HD 4xxx series which performs very well again, the prices for Nvidia cards dropped.

 

To get good products for good prices we need both ATI and Nvidia. And if you think that the product of ATI are soo much better, then buy those. But problems like extrem power hunger is a thing that products of both companys have.

 

For me it is plain stupid to side a priori with one of two companys like Intel and AMD for the CPU or ATI and Nvidia for the GPU. I usually buy the product with the best value for the price. My last system was an AMD, now I am back to Intel again. Right now I would buy a ATI card, but back when I bought my current system the best choice seemd to be an Nvidia product.

 

If you are not happy with your product (graphics card), the most stupid thing you can do is to blaim the company that did not produce it (like Nvidia in this case) for it.

 

 

 

 

[ViperInterface]

It all comes down to this,

 

The game does not perform well on systems that are right on the edge of the system requirements, as well as systems that are top of the line. I do not believe hardware has anything to do with it. I have seen people with quad core's and top end GPU's complain of the same problems. Something is wrong with the game internally, and we are not able to do anything about it ourselves. We must wait and hope that Rockstar can (or will) fix these issues. The best course of action is to keep sending in support requests. Keep pestering Rockstar until we get a response. If this is too much for you then return the game and get your money back. They have already screwed themselves by releasing the PC version long after the console version. Wonder why such a hyped up game debued at number 7 on the PC charts? Because people got tired of waiting and bought the console. This is another hard blow to the PC gaming industry and that makes me a sad panda.

[Altare]

The game is a mess with Nvidia graphics cards as well. For once Nvidia is not to blaim. I have seen the "out of video memory" error on my Geforce 9600 GT as well. GTA 4 is just a very poor port.

 

Besides, the reason for the Nvidia cards being more expensive is simple. ATI failed to deliver good performance compared to Nvidia at the time with their HD 3xxx series. Products with about the same performance usually cost about the same. Now that ATI is back with their HD 4xxx series which performs very well again, the prices for Nvidia cards dropped.

 

To get good products for good prices we need both ATI and Nvidia. And if you think that the product of ATI are soo much better, then buy those. But problems like extrem power hunger is a thing that products of both companys have.

 

For me it is plain stupid to side a priori with one of two companys like Intel and AMD for the CPU or ATI and Nvidia for the GPU. I usually buy the product with the best value for the price. My last system was an AMD, now I am back to Intel again. Right now I would buy a ATI card, but back when I bought my current system the best choice seemd to be an Nvidia product.

 

If you are not happy with your product (graphics card), the most stupid thing you can do is to blaim the company that did not produce it (like Nvidia in this case) for it.

I will not debate on "good port" / "bad port", but rather will stick to what I and countless others experience: ABSURD number of issues with ati cards.

 

Moreover, quoting myself: "...AT LEAST 25% more than those of the competition... and perform comparably, but that have issues nonetheless..."

 

FIRST: nvidia has less issues than ati

SECOND: you obviously didn't understand sh*t of what I wrote, since I'm COMPLETELY satisfied with my ati purchase, but am disgusted with producers wish to "best played with nvidia", at the expense of loyal customers who have chosen not to stick to the overpriced, power hungry hardware.

THIRD: it's ridiculously clear that you don't know sh*t about video card comparisons... rofl. I can see that your "source" for stats and performance charts is "tomshardware", innit? hahaha you're an idiot dude, sorry. Thanks to your reply I however start to understand why rockstar don't give a f*ck about legit customers complaining. I would not give a f*ck either, If the majority of my customer base would actually

buy overpriced nvidia,

be brainwashed by the illusion,

have game issues nonetheless.

 

Devel dude - "Oh but mr. marketing man, what about those that make intelligent purchases and choose ati?"

Mr. Marketing - "Just don't worry about them. They're a minority that the stupid majority will just look down unto. Let them go f*ck themselves."

Devel dude - "Ok."

 

[logitechdog]

what is the point of your post, where you get 25% from

 

stop moaning about the price of nvidia cards.... they is like what 30, 40 posts moaning about the same thing... not going to get a fix to you faster...

 

both products are having problems, so stop moaning about companys

 

 

[lancaster77]

To be perfectly honest ATI cards have sucked for the past 3 years, sorry but Nvidia have come up with better cards since the last time I remember buying a graphics card and just recently whipping the 4870 X2 2gig version of their most powerful g/c. GTX 295

 

The only damn reason ATi is supported by these people is because they bought one. If you didnt buy one then you would not be having such problems.

 

All in all ATI is not crap, they're just as good as Nvidia, BUT! gaming manufacturers have decided, well most of em, to work with Nvidia more than ATI. As a result ATI cards are not as optimized.

 

So quit your bitchin. Btw I have an 8800GT and the game runs fine. No it does'nt run it at the highest possible res and on all high settings but it runs it quite smoothly without a hickup, just the minor lag problem, but thats due to my memory being 512.

 

That's another thing, if you want better graphics you wont get it on a 512meg card. It's all 1024 meg now and 2 gig g/c's so all you 4870 512 owners quit you bitchin. You guys made a bad move in buying an expensive card that has only 512 meg. 512meg is the norm now. High end g/c's have double that and games will need it now. Just look at GTA4. Man you could have got an 8800 GT and had just as good performance ffs and they're only 150 dollars AU. lol

[logitechdog]

erm lancaster77 you can get a ati 4870 with more vram....

 

 

[Lastsource]

 

THIRD: it's ridiculously clear that you don't know sh*t about video card comparisons... rofl. I can see that your "source" for stats and performance charts is "tomshardware", innit? hahaha you're an idiot dude, sorry. Thanks to your reply I however start to understand why rockstar don't give a f*ck about legit customers complaining. I would not give a f*ck either, If the majority of my customer base would actually

buy overpriced nvidia,

be brainwashed by the illusion,

have game issues nonetheless.

maybe you should care less about things you don't even know. Don't worry about my sources. And there is no need at all to call me an idiot.

 

My sources usually include, but are not limited to

 

http://ht4u.net/

http://www.legionhardware.com/

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/

http://www.computerbase.de/

 

Tomshardware is to much sh*t and to little content, and yes their content is questionable. It has been a long time since I last checked that page.

 

The "The way it's meant to be played" thing just means that Nvidia cares about its customers (because they care about the money of the customers). Nvidia supports developers like R* to make sure that the game delivers good performance on their hardware (because thats what users really want in the end). Your so loved ATI could just do the same. There is no way that Nvidia can go to a developer and ask them "we give you some $$$ and you make the game run sh*ty on ATI hardware".

 

There is absolutely no reason to blame Nvidia when R* develops a products that do not run well on your ATI card. If Nvidia would not have helped R*, the game would be even worse on both types of cards. Would that make you happy?

 

And I am neither buying overpriced products nor brainwashed.

 

If GTA 4 does not run well, then there is just one to blame: Rockstar. It is the duty of the developer of the game to make it run well on current hardware. And Rockstar failed at that in many aspects. Nvidia tried to solve some of the issues for Nvidia users, both with a new driver and with developer support at Rockstar, ATI didn't do that. ATI is not to blaim for that, but neither is Nvidia. If the game is crap, then its Rockstars fault. If the hardware is crap then its either ATI or Nvidias fault. But since many other games run perfect fine on both hardwares, it is definitly a problem with R*.

 

Besides, things like the "The way it's meant to be played" are done by both, ATI and Nvidia.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_in_the_game

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_way_it...nt_to_be_played

Edited January 17, 2009 by Lastsource

[Altare]

THIRD: it's ridiculously clear that you don't know sh*t about video card comparisons... rofl. I can see that your "source" for stats and performance charts is "tomshardware", innit? hahaha you're an idiot dude, sorry. Thanks to your reply I however start to understand why rockstar don't give a f*ck about legit customers complaining. I would not give a f*ck either, If the majority of my customer base would actually

buy overpriced nvidia,

be brainwashed by the illusion,

have game issues nonetheless.

maybe you should care less about things you don't even know. Don't worry about my sources. And there is no need at all to call me an idiot.

 

My sources usually include, but are not limited to

 

http://ht4u.net/

http://www.legionhardware.com/

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/

http://www.computerbase.de/

 

Tomshardware is to much sh*t and to little content, and yes their content is questionable. It has been a long time since I last checked that page.

 

The "The way it's meant to be played" thing just means that Nvidia cares about its customers (because they care about the money of the customers). Nvidia supports developers like R* to make sure that the game delivers good performance on their hardware (because thats what users really want in the end). Your so loved ATI could just do the same. There is no way that Nvidia can go to a developer and ask them "we give you some $$$ and you make the game run sh*ty on ATI hardware".

 

There is absolutely no reason to blame Nvidia when R* develops a products that do not run well on your ATI card. If Nvidia would not have helped R*, the game would be even worse on both types of cards. Would that make you happy?

 

And I am neither buying overpriced products nor brainwashed.

 

If GTA 4 does not run well, then there is just one to blame: Rockstar. It is the duty of the developer of the game to make it run well on current hardware. And Rockstar failed at that in many aspects. Nvidia tried to solve some of the issues for Nvidia users, both with a new driver and with developer support at Rockstar, ATI didn't do that. ATI is not to blaim for that, but neither is Nvidia. If the game is crap, then its Rockstars fault. If the hardware is crap then its either ATI or Nvidias fault. But since many other games run perfect fine on both hardwares, it is definitly a problem with R*.

 

Besides, things like the "The way it's meant to be played" are done by both, ATI and Nvidia.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_in_the_game

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_way_it...nt_to_be_played

Look... I will put this down simply.

 

You have purchased a NON quality/performance/cost ratio effective product,

REGARDLESS of how it performs, since nowadays even a f*ckING CHIMP can stuff so many gpus (so that they consume 100+ WATTS) that the board eventually runs crysis, so don't get me into the "sources" discussion, or into the "idiot" thing.

 

We could even suppose that you are one of those rare cases of "wrong purchase", but I doubt it.

It's years that electronic arts (absolute worst game producer ever) and others are brainwashing you fools with hardware commercials into their games, and evidently the joke paid up.

 

Since today rockstar released one game

which connects to games for f*cking windows

and runs bad with nvidia cards

and runs absolutely sh*t with ati cards

 

But hey, at least nvidia users can be happy right?

 

The point of my original post, that you sorely missed, is that the pathetic issues with the game are COMMERCIAL related, and not hardware, and that those of you who fell over the years to "best played with nvidia" have in fact contributed to the problem and have been f*cked over gta4s purchase nonetheless,

ESPECIALLY

if you need command line parameters to launch the title,

spend hours on the forums to juice that single frame per second more (out from the average 16 the game pulls regardless of your vidcard or cpu frequency) AND

still believe that your nvidia card was a good choice.

[Lastsource]

The Geforce 9600 GT was the best product available in Switzerland last July in terms of performance / price ratio that is (semi-)passiv cooled and not power hungry. And it does not help me if "even a f*ckING CHIMP" can produce good a gpu, but only ATI and Nvidia try to do it.

 

And to the rest I won't even go into detail anymore, because your argumentation is so f*cked up. To put it short and simple: Neither me nor other Nvidia users, nor Nvidia, nor ATI or ATI users are responsible for a bad work done by R*. Other companies can still develop games with good quality. If R* fails at doing so, then it is the fault of R*.

[Altare]

 

Neither me nor other Nvidia users, nor Nvidia, nor ATI or ATI users are responsible for a bad work done by R*. Other companies can still develop games with good quality. If R* fails at doing so, then it is the fault of R*.

This simple excerpt proves that you're delusional about WHY producers use buyers as beta testers nowadays.

 

For f*cks sake it'd seem that gta4 is the only game you've ever "played", dude?

 

Go f*cking tell "another world", or "ultima vII" or "total annihilation" about "nobody's fault", or go and check the situation with consoles, like PS2 games and XBOX games.

Simply put: in certain times, and in certain scenarios, it was/ is UNTHINKABLE making sh*tty games, or using us as beta testers. XBOX crashes and hangs, for example, regardless of the fact that the games cost way more than what they used to.

This is why NINTENDO has always rocked, because they always cared about people, as their games reflect.

 

But alas, you're proving my point about you not knowing sh*t of the situation with gta4, and why it's caused. But for those few dozens of you who don't understand f*ck, ONE guy might be enlightened. I only have interest in helping that guy out. The rest of you can, indeed, go f*ck yourselves and keep buying NVIDIA (envidia means envy in spanish, so that you ignorant dogs know, btw. Don't you possibly feel a tingle about them buying the great 3dfx, perhaps, now? hmm?).

In any manner, let me do a little public service:

"My chronicle with GTA4, and how I got it to work again"

 

I installed.

I run.

Megacrash.

I installed Service Pack 3 for xp (annoyed. really annoyed by this).

I installed Framework 3.5 (even more annoyed than before with sp3)

Game run.

 

I played several hours and unlocked the second isle.

 

Then I got pissed at the malfunctioning shadows and lightning problems, and installed the patch.

THAT'S when trouble started.

 

Before the patch, I could run the game 1024x768, forcing texture quality to high, and with 60 100 100 16 details with command line parameters.

Game ran slow at a minimum 14 fps, but I would not care since it looked absolutely great.

 

After the patch, all kind of ridiculous crashes.

I TRIED EVERYTHING. Drivers, reinstalls, command lines. I rebooted perhaps 50 times trying various setups.

 

Then I downloaded the FULL ati catalyst package from game.amd.com.

Then I made a THOROUGH driver uninstall (used cat-uninstaller, AtiCimUn, from ati)

Uninstalled ALL ati related stuff, and waited for aticimun to ask me to reboot.

Uninstalled even the ati tray software that I used for overclocking my x1950xt (I get 25% more of this beast without the slightest stability issue).

Rebooted.

When windows asked me for drivers, I aborted.

I installed catalyst without "[email protected]".

I rebooted.

- The game would run again without crashing. I have NOT installed tray tools or other overclocking software, and I have NOT tampered with ati's services (which by the way slow down the f*cking reboot by several seconds).

 

You might want to try the uninstall-reinstall part, dude.

Edited January 17, 2009 by Altare

[Lastsource]

 

I installed.

I run.

Megacrash.

I installed Service Pack 3 for xp (annoyed. really annoyed by this).

 

On the back of my GTA 4 box it says under system requirements that you need SP3 for XP. Not keeping your windows installation up to date isn't the best idea anyway (security). I don't know why you wouldn't have SP3 in the first place.

 

Driver update is no problem for me, worked perfect. Start the installer, click yes, yes and reboot. All done (uninstall of old drivers etc. is done all automatically).

 

Repeating through all your posts that Nvidia users don't know sh*t, that Nvidia is the most evil company and responsible for the problems you have with a Rockstar game on an ATI / AMD hardware does not make it true.

 

And since you have all the wisdom in the world, but you can still just flame me in every post like "my point about you not knowing sh*t", "hahaha you're an idiot dude", instead of posting arguments, you can continue your flaming without me. I really don't care how much you love ATI and how much you hate Nvidia. Bye.

[skippyfox]

...its actually kind of interesting how everyone seems to know what is the problem.

[Hurricane5]

Thread of the year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...and to add some content, I've been running AMD and nVidia together for awhile now. 4400+ X2, 1GB DDR2, 256MB DDR3 Geforce 8600 GTS, XP Pro SP3. Absolutely no issues. The game runs like a charm.

Edited January 17, 2009 by Hurricane5

[chngdman]

The game is really give or take on both companies. You lost wind when you assumed one is better than the other. I have an ATI, great gameplay, btw.

[Altare]

I certify and assure that it requires an intelligent person to fully understand what I write.

You might not agree with what I post, and I sincerely don't give a f*ck, but me not caring doesn't mean that I need treat idiots with respect, since I hate idiots.

 

My grudge with rockstar and nvidia is simple, after all.

 

My story with the game is simple in the same manner: It worked, it ceased working, I got it to work again. What I wrote might help you, or might not. I don't give a flying f*ck if it doesn't help you, since I'm ok with just being understood or being useful for that single person out of you worthless bunch.

 

PS

i don't know what you use your pc for, but I use it for playing and surfing, and I have no worries about "security", since I very well know the sites I visit, or the e-mails I open.

SP3 is just a collection of worthless "security patches" to make you feel safer about pieces of software that WILL f*ck your computer anyways, since you'll be so idiotic as to click that link or e-mail that you shouldn't have clicked on. I gladly would have saved myself the time and trouble of downloading and installing those hundreds of megabytes, since I already had no problem at all with sp2.

[chngdman]

Well, I like SP3 way better, personally. It seems to use my CPU better... Maybe it's a system-to-system thing, because a lot of people have your opinion about it too.

[tvitch]

well it seems as if you havent got 'a reason for all game problems' as you tried to but miserably failed to state, but inastead ranted on about something completely differnet in this thread, as i & many many other people are still experiencing issues with completely different hardware. its not just ati people experiencing issues so stop acting so hard done by & blaming nvidia for your issues when its got nothing to do with them. wtf.

 

dont get me wrong, im not meaning to be letting my frustrations out on you, because i can relate to the clusterf*ck of issues that everyone is having around here with this game.

it should work out of the box, or at least only require an additional few things installed, not require a f*cking huge arsenal of pointless / useless bullsh*t that is buggy / doesnt even work properly & / or is actually more likely to be the things to blame, as well as scouring through internet forums for months searching for other fixes & changing settings on your computer etc that you shouldnt need to do especially if you can run any/every other game perfectly fine..

 

tbh i just got pissy when i saw someone come in here claiming to of found the reasons to all game problems & then when i enter the thread instead find a bitch session about nvidia.

 

i have an nvidia card, i still get totally random ctd's with no error, i have tried f*ckING COUNTLESS solutions, nothing works, the game is broken until someone official releases a fix/patch for people like me experiencing this same issue.

 

i also must agree with skippy, its funny how everyone keeps coming on here claiming to of solved all the games problems but when most of us try their solutions they dont work or the solutions they give have nothing to do with the issues were encountering.

Edited January 18, 2009 by tvitch

[Altare]

well it seems as if you havent got 'a reason for all game problems' as you tried to but miserably failed to state, but inastead ranted on about something completely differnet in this thread, as i & many many other people are still experiencing issues with completely different hardware. its not just ati people experiencing issues so stop acting so hard done by & blaming nvidia for your issues when its got nothing to do with them. wtf.

 

dont get me wrong, im not meaning to be letting my frustrations out on you, because i can relate to the clusterf*ck of issues that everyone is having around here with this game.

it should work out of the box, or at least only require an additional few things installed, not require a f*cking huge arsenal of pointless / useless bullsh*t that is buggy / doesnt even work properly & / or is actually more likely to be the things to blame, as well as scouring through internet forums for months searching for other fixes & changing settings on your computer etc that you shouldnt need to do especially if you can run any/every other game perfectly fine..

 

tbh i just got pissy when i saw someone come in here claiming to of found the reasons to all game problems & then when i enter the thread instead find a bitch session about nvidia.

 

i have an nvidia card, i still get totally random ctd's with no error, i have tried f*ckING COUNTLESS solutions, nothing works, the game is broken until someone official releases a fix/patch for people like me experiencing this same issue.

 

i also must agree with skippy, its funny how everyone keeps coming on here claiming to of solved all the games problems but when most of us try their solutions they dont work or the solutions they give have nothing to do with the issues were encountering.

Dude, or should I rather write "f*cktard", you are perfect proof of why you have an envy card.

 

1st: You simply don't get it. The reason is in the connection about envidia making sh*tty hadware and producers releasing poorly tested games, of which we're unpaid beta testers.

 

2nd: You have an envidia card. I broke my balls for hours and was able to get the game to work. You surely have tried a lot of sh*t, and your game STILL won't run properly. Hope you see the point here, but I will make it even clearer, as when speaking to a retarded 5 year old: both cards have problems. Lots less of envidia users have problems than ati. Of those with envidia with problems, however, only a minority will get the f*cking game to work, but for those with ati, the percentage is superior.

 

3rd: if my statements in point 2 weren't right, I wouldn't have been able to fix the f*cking game, without a patch or something similar, or would I?

 

Next time, fight your brainwashing and buy ati. your pocket, psu and fps will be grateful, and this paying user beta-tester syndrome would be eliminated.

 

PS

I forgot to mention one thing, to corroborate the subject. It is f*cking obvious that if you object to what I wrote, you NEVER bought parallel nvidia and ati models to actually see them run games, differently than me.

[tvitch]

 

well it seems as if you havent got 'a reason for all game problems' as you tried to but miserably failed to state, but inastead  ranted on about something completely differnet in this thread, as i & many many other people are still experiencing issues with completely different hardware. its not just ati people experiencing issues so stop acting so hard done by & blaming nvidia for your issues when its got nothing to do with them. wtf.

 

dont get me wrong, im not meaning to be letting my frustrations out on you, because i can relate to the clusterf*ck of issues that everyone is having around here with this game.

it should work out of the box, or at least only require an additional few things installed, not require a f*cking huge arsenal of pointless / useless bullsh*t that is buggy / doesnt even work properly & / or is actually more likely to be the things to blame, as well as scouring through internet forums for months searching for other fixes & changing settings on your computer etc that you shouldnt need to do especially if you can run any/every other game perfectly fine..

 

 

i have an nvidia card, i still get totally random ctd's with no error, i have tried f*ckING COUNTLESS solutions, nothing works, the game is broken until someone official releases a fix/patch for people like me experiencing this same issue.

 

i also must agree with skippy, its funny how everyone keeps coming on here claiming to of solved all the games problems but when most of us try their solutions they dont work or the solutions they give have nothing to do with the issues were encountering.

Dude, or should I rather write "f*cktard", you are perfect proof of why you have an envy card.

 

1st: You simply don't get it. The reason is in the connection about envidia making sh*tty hadware and producers releasing poorly tested games, of which we're unpaid beta testers.

 

2nd: You have an envidia card. I broke my balls for hours and was able to get the game to work. You surely have tried a lot of sh*t, and your game STILL won't run properly. Hope you see the point here, but I will make it even clearer, as when speaking to a retarded 5 year old: both cards have problems. Lots less of envidia users have problems than ati. Of those with envidia with problems, however, only a minority will get the f*cking game to work, but for those with ati, the percentage is superior.

 

3rd: if my statements in point 2 weren't right, I wouldn't have been able to fix the f*cking game, without a patch or something similar, or would I?

 

Next time, fight your brainwashing and buy ati. your pocket, psu and fps will be grateful, and this paying user beta-tester syndrome would be eliminated.

 

PS

I forgot to mention one thing, to corroborate the subject. It is f*cking obvious that if you object to what I wrote, you NEVER bought parallel nvidia and ati models to actually see them run games, differently than me.

i honestly kinda droned out & became even more retarded upon reading your reply, but i will try my best to civily reply once again.

 

for a start, f*cktard isnt a word, & it isnt offensive, its just plain unintelligable..

i didnt directly call you names or abuse you, i stated that it seemed you stated you were here to report on somethign that you never really did report on at least not in a way that made sense with the thread/subject header.

 

i also asked not to get me wrong & apoligised in advance for being pissy, but its frustrating to be having so many problems & seeing all these, "OH WOWS, LIEK I FIXXORED MAI GTAIVZ!! HERES HOW" or in your case "i believe i have the reason for all game problems", only to open them up & again & again have them not help me in any way whatsoever, & that is, if they are actually what they claim to be about from the thread title when entering the thread.. like yours basically just being a bitch session about nvidia.

 

i was basically saying, dont act so hard done by, because youre not the only one, & ati or nvidia isnt to blame, people can & cant run the game with both nvidia & ati.

 

also, its nvidia, not envidia.

 

also, you dont know for sure if more ati users are having issues with the game than nvidia users.

i didnt want to turn this into some fanboy argument thread about what is better, ati or nvidia, btw, i was merely stating, i didnt want to enter a thread titled with 'i found a new fix to all game problems' only to find a bitch & moan session about nvidia instead. its not liek i went something like "BUT NVIDIA ROCKS MY COCK SO MUCH HARDER THENZ ATI, IF YOUZ HAZ ATI CARD THATS WHY YOU HASING SO MCUH ISSUE, BECAUSE YOU SUCK & ATI SUCK, NVIDIA IS KING".

 

around your "3rd" (3rd what?) that where my brain almost completely melted.

 

btw, im not actually officialy objecting to anythign you wrote, infact im agreeing moreso, but origionally you werent making much sense i thought, & like i thought by reading your thread title, you were going to maybe help assist me, but it turns out you didnt..

 

& no i have not ever bought both an nvidia or ati card, partly because ive heard people tend to dislike ati moreso, & i have just simply always used nvidia, but mainly because i have never had any other problems with my nvidida card before now with gta & a few other of the latest release games that are known for their fair share of issues & annoyances.

 

blah, i dont care, i know im stupid, i cant at least admit it

im sorry, i blew up more than a bit.

lets not fight, lets spread love & world peace & huge hippy gang bangs & strawberry jam instead.

Edited January 18, 2009 by tvitch

[FakeJ66]

Thx god, i have nVidia!!

[Altare]

im sorry, i blew up more than a bit.

lets not fight, lets spread love & world peace & huge hippy gang bangs & strawberry jam instead.

You're right brotha, peace.

 

Wish that you unlucky ENvidia guys get some kind of fix to be able to play soon.

 

PS

in all honesty, ati is a better gaming video card manufacturer and seller than nvidia. keep it in mind. fight the brainwash!

[logitechdog]

twitch his gay a*se envidia going along with his bs, is evil nvidia... atlare ati write sh** drivers that’s why people don't like it... stop thinking they is a conspiracy out to f* you up, they cards should do a hell of allot more fps with the so called Gddr5 memory but it does jack coz of they 256bit interface... nvidia only has what Gddr3 and more bit interface yet perform the same or above... so unless they Gddr5 is a load of bs or they drivers don't work fully...

 

Wonder what would happen if nvidia put this so called Gddr5 on they boards.... nvidia got sh*t to do with how game developers plug the direct api into they gpus to gain access to they cards... I bet the really problem for ati cards is that the Gddr5 does not work at full power or ddr5 ram would be out but like a motherboard don’t support the fsb, so why have ati not made a ddr5 motherboard, has anyone even tested if this GDDr is running at the speed it says it does...

 

[MuonDecay]

Besides, the reason for the Nvidia cards being more expensive is simple. ATI failed to deliver good performance compared to Nvidia at the time with their HD 3xxx series. Products with about the same performance usually cost about the same. Now that ATI is back with their HD 4xxx series which performs very well again, the prices for Nvidia cards dropped.

Well, not quite. Actually, in case you missed the memo, ATI and Nvidia were collaborating to fix their prices. Both companies were expensive, unnaturally so.

 

In recent months you might have noticed that their hardware prices, even for the leading model hardware, has dropped by as much as 75% from their original price (at least in the US).

 

Drastic price drops were seen even mere weeks after the two companies were subpoenaed. The real reason for the outrageous prices was criminal activity, as has been shown by evidence unveiled in the courtroom.

[Lastsource]

MuonDecay, yes I didn't miss that, but I didn't want to mix that into the equation as well. The criminal activity has kept the prices unnaturally high. But for the question which products do cost about the same amount of money, still the performance was the critertion.

 

It would not have made much sense for ATI and Nvidia to agree to higher prices where you do not get (more or less) the same performance for the same price from both companies. The top cards from Nvidia performaned a bit better than the top cards from ATI at that time, so they did cost more than top products from ATI.

 

But thx for pointing it out, for those that did not read about that, my post could have been misleading.

[ReS)N-]

SP3 is just a collection of worthless "security patches" to make you feel safer about pieces of software that WILL f*ck your computer anyways, since you'll be so idiotic as to click that link or e-mail that you shouldn't have clicked on. I gladly would have saved myself the time and trouble of downloading and installing those hundreds of megabytes, since I already had no problem at all with sp2.

vouch on that one honestly.. when those rly "hard" trojans kick in into ur PC, u will get owned anyway, and even your most-updated antivirus wont deal with it.

what comes -> FORMAT.

 

PS @ Altare

u rly love ATI, do u?

[ExitiumMachina]

Uh...right, like this problem is just one or the other. The game runs fine for me, even if it bottlenecks a tad it still runs pretty good. So far most of the complaints and/or "This is the problem" threads are silly, not because they are not valid points but moreso because they are valid points based off absolutely no knowledge.

 

The problem with GTAIV for the pc is that the pc can't keep up with processing power of the consoles, I run an average pc setup with a core2duo and 9800gt 1gb custom oc. Game runs good, maybe not as "pretty" but good none the less. Other user's with high-end PC's can't run the game worth crap, while people with the same setup can...which leads too user-end. Not saying this is the case here but if you overload your system with iTits and other useless crapware it will wear on the performance of the machine...if I were to clean up my machine I would probably see a relatively good jump in performance, but I cannot do that as I need the programs I have.

 

Consoles are easy, develop for one set of hardware, test, and release. PC on the other hand, for a perfect release you would have to test on each individual hardware, develop for a number of different hardware, and release. End product cost more than money you will see back from it.

[qwertz123]

 

I certify and assure that it requires an intelligent person to fully understand what I write.

no. just some idiots. a smart person has already gave up reading your post here:

 

 

Simply put:

side with nvidia, get their $$$ and do nothing or do the minimum to fix the game for ati users = FAIL & LOSE MONEY.

 

 

anyway: ati's driver did suck do suck and will suck. end of story.