A Theory on Rockstar's Apalling Silence

[Goatman455]

I think the fact this game doesn't support SLI out of the box is tell tale.

I have always been under the impression that SLI has always been more or an after thought amongst most game developers. I don't follow it that closely because I think SLI is a waste of time and money myself. However I would venture that those with SLI rigs are in an extreme minority. I am not saying that SLI shouldn't be supported I am just saying most devs at best only give lip service too it anyway.

 

 

I mean, you also have to look at the resources of the company, and their experience.

Yeah and all those resources and experience are console centric as much as we may hate it Rockstar is now a console company. Now the PC is a totally different beast and Rockstar fail to recognise that, they just poured enough money into getting a quick and dirty port out, just like they have always done.

 

 

They have a huge amount of resources and have the experience of making a good port. 

I really don't understand where people are getting this idea that Rockstar EVER produced a good port. Even the 3 series was god awful from a technical standpoint, you needed a computer vastly more powerful than the consoles of the day to even get the game playable. You just need to look at GTA SA which needed a PC 3 - 4 times more powerful than the consoles just to play adequately. So based on their history I would say GTA 4 is pretty much what we should have expected anyway.

 

 

Screwing this up really points to rushing for profit motive reasons.

I would personally say the problems with this port are an indication that Rockstar isn't sure about the PC market any more and they are unwilling to commit a lot of money towards porting the game appropriately to the PC. I don't expect it to get any better, if anything I expect it to get a lot worse.

San Andreas was the best PC port of all time, that is why people say that.

 

 

Also, how are you going to get PC users to buy your product if you make it an afterthought? The quality has to start with the creators, not with the customers purchase ("we will only make you a quality product if enough people buy it ok"), that is not a good business strategy.

 

 

 

SLI is not an afterthought. I do not have a game that doesn't support it besides this. Call of Duty 4, Call of Duty World at War, Company of Heroes, Oblivion, Command and Conquer Red Alert 3, Fallout 3, both STALKERS. Far Cry 2, Crysis, Bioshock, here's the kicker SAN ANDREAS WORKS WITH SLI

 

 

SAN ANDREAS WORKS WITH SLI, WTF. Are you kidding me?

 

Ok, so there are a lot more bells and whistles but I have personally verified all these games and more. So don't tell me it's an afterthought please, I know my sh*t, and this is Rockstars fault, unless they can give me a valid rationale besides "we rushed the game".

[tttt]

 

I don't really understand how GTA IV can't be playable.

 

memory leak => crashes every 5 minutes, can't play a whole mission anymore

 

 

I don't have a pretty good rig: 8600 gt xxx, dual core e6750, 2gb.

 

I have a HD4870 1go, i7 920, 6gb

 

 

Of course if you have the worst pc of the world the game is not going to work. But I can play Fallout 3, far cry 2 and crysis, and I don't see any huge difference of fps between GTA.

 

Quit trolling, see my specs above

 

 

maybe you just got to delete all the porn and spyware and the game will run fine.

 

Quit trolling, this is on a brand new Vista install.

 

 

something that just happend to 1 of 10 players.

 

Possible, but we still paid, and as such, we should be able to play. Else we got robbed of 50 euros.

 

I'm getting tired of people that are lucky to not be affected by the memory leak (mostly nvidia users, it seems us ATI owners are more affected by it) dismissing our crashes just because it works on their machine. All the best for you guys, but you should understand that we can't be happy. And the only thing we can do due to Rockstar silence is scream until they hear us. Cause if we don't, we can be sure that they'll never fix the crashes.

[chngdman]

While I see you put some thought into it, and you're pretty well read about east/west it seems, I have to cross my fingers and hope it's less ominous than that.

 

I remember reading on many forums and articles about "the patch is taking forever, microsofts fault, rockstar got it done and now MS is slow to approve GFWL patches, etc"

 

So, being an optimist for the most part, I will say I hope that you are wrong about this and I hope it is more than just culture and morale of a company. i hope it is just not wanting to tease people knowing it's there, but just some 3rd party (MS) won't get it out until they choose.

 

Also, it's an auto updating game, so there's no need to announce patches, and the MS approval process theory supports this as well. R*, hopefully, just figures they'd rather be part of the joy of people coming here saying "MY IV JUST UPDATE!! I GET +30 FPS!! ()" instead of days of waiting, and then people are already mad and just looking for things to tear apart.

 

Try and give more benefit of doubt, after all, they are about the only mainline game company who does what they do.

 

 

tttt: I have minimum specs and get steady 30 fps and memory leak is a myth (at least, to the extent that it causes problems... because I suffer Zero issues) but to make you have hope, I switched to vista today to see if I get a bad performance. We'll see soon, wish luck!

[plimmy]

Lets not over anylyse or over complicate.

 

This whole charade is simply bad business. This kind of behaviour is becoming the norm now as more and more "faceless" corporations keep popping up. I think most problems start arrising when they begin to start using investors. The more they float on the market the more say those investors have. This results in quantity over quality. I dont think many investors think about the long term future of their company............all they are interested in is return on their investment, and then as soon as things start to look bad they pull out.

 

We have seen this kind of thing get worse in the UK since the early eighties. Thatcher completely changed the way bussines was done over here and now we are feeling the result of that. Her policy was to make money fast and f*ck the future, this is why she turned every service in the country into some kind of money making machine. Quantity over quality.......you cant have both.

[Kurgen]

memory leak is a myth (at least, to the extent that it causes problems... because I suffer Zero issues

Thanks for illustrating so succinctly the reason people get so pissed-off with you and the rest of the denial-squad. You don't experience any problems, therefore there are no problems.

 

Why are you lot even in the support forums? You certainly aren't here to help anyone, and are here purely to antagonise those who have legitimate issues.

 

 

[Fuggedaboudit]

I am not sure if anyone has heard of the idea of "Short Term Oriented Cultures" and "Long Term Oriented Cultures".

 

 

Hofstede, right?

 

They are also Masculine, have a short power distance and I could go on and on about this stuff... But I wont because I would bore the crap outta PPL.

[mkey82]

 

GTA 3 - Released 8 months after the PS2 - sold 400,000 copies in the US

GTA VC - Released 7 months after the PS2 - sold 300,000 copies in the US

GTA SA - Released 8 months after the PS2 - sold 250,000 copies in the US

source

I have seen you disprove stuff like this with zero effort countless number of times. What's going on, mate?

[Jc84144]

 

Look Just wait for the GETAWAY 3  to be released, I bet it will demolish this  GTA IV.

The Getaway 3 was cancelled.

Edited January 16, 2009 by Jc84144

[Atacama]

 

I don't really understand how GTA IV can't be playable.

 

memory leak => crashes every 5 minutes, can't play a whole mission anymore

 

 

I don't have a pretty good rig: 8600 gt xxx, dual core e6750, 2gb.

 

I have a HD4870 1go, i7 920, 6gb

 

 

Of course if you have the worst pc of the world the game is not going to work. But I can play Fallout 3, far cry 2 and crysis, and I don't see any huge difference of fps between GTA.

 

Quit trolling, see my specs above

 

 

maybe you just got to delete all the porn and spyware and the game will run fine.

 

Quit trolling, this is on a brand new Vista install.

 

 

something that just happend to 1 of 10 players.

 

Possible, but we still paid, and as such, we should be able to play. Else we got robbed of 50 euros.

 

I'm getting tired of people that are lucky to not be affected by the memory leak (mostly nvidia users, it seems us ATI owners are more affected by it) dismissing our crashes just because it works on their machine. All the best for you guys, but you should understand that we can't be happy. And the only thing we can do due to Rockstar silence is scream until they hear us. Cause if we don't, we can be sure that they'll never fix the crashes.

I have a PC with similar specs to you: HD4850, i7 920, 3Gb of Ram, Vista 64bit, original install of GTA4. And I completed the game yesterday. (note: I don't use any special software to get it running)

 

I had quite a few issues to begin with, which at first the 8.12 drivers from ATi didn't appear to fix, as I still got the crash that suggested our of video mem - which for some reason stopped occuring all together.

 

I did originally play it on the PS3, which I played up until about the last 15 missions, when the PC version game out I decided to get it, and after playing it for a while, I decided to stick to it, because when it worked, it gave a better experience than the PS3 one..

 

 

This does go to show the issues that R* will have with debugging the issues with the game, two people with very similar specs, 1 can play decently, and the other can't play for more than 5 minutes.

 

I have my share of non-blocking bugs in the game (probably caused by the ever increasing memory usage) as it seems to start swapping to the HDD, which means sometimes the game will start jerking for a while, whilst it's reading and writing to and from the HDD.

 

Even during the end credits I had the display driver stop responding... Windows restarted it, and the game carried on, and I got to see the rest of the end credits.

 

 

PS: I'm NOT running on low settings either, 1680 x 1050 (highest my monitor will support), Textures High, Render Quality very high, view distance is as high as my card will allow, and using the maximum density settings.

 

Also remember that the first patch seems to have a lot of the same issues as the original install, I would imagine (and hope), that Rockstar is sourcing some of the more common hardware that users are having issues with, setting those PCs up, trying to reproduce the issues, then locating the source of the issues, fixing it, testing it and making sure it doesn't break anything else.

 

I would imagine at the same time they're probably putting in more copy protection again to counter the cracks.

[japd1uk]

 

GETAWAY 3 to be released, I bet it will demolish this GTA IV.

 

No! i dought getaway 3 will come near it... it may run better / look cleaner but it will probably lack or have No atmosphere, in gta 4 thats what makes the game, games now are lacking, there rushed, plus the only thing we got to go by is a few Renders, Not ingame! 2 days 2 vagas was the same a few rendered pics an ppl go ape sh** thinking it the dogs

 

 

[CharmingCharlie]

 

San Andreas was the best PC port of all time, that is why people say that.

Ok here are some topic titles from the trouble shooting section of GTA SA dating back to 2005 :-

 

 

Another annoying audio glicth

Can't even open installation screen

Random freezing

Resolution/AA Settings Problems

What the hell is wrong with the FPS

game crashes with user tracks

Problem with 32-bit

A couple display "glitches" perhaps?

Computer restarts after 10 minutes playing GTA: SA

Low Framerate Problem

Bugs are Plentiful

Graphic problems..... 

PC Freezes wehen starting GTASA

Why did they lie about system specs?

My my don't many of those topics sound very very familiar to all the complaints we have seen in the GTA 4 section ? I would really like to know what you are basing "GTA SA is the best port of all time". I take it you are ignoring the fact that GTA SA needed a PC 4 to 5 times BETTER than the PS2 to run the game decently ? The only reason why SOME people consider GTA SA a better port is because by then PC's had fair outstripped the consoles in terms of raw power. By the time GTA SA hit the PC we had far better CPU's, GPU's and memory speeds. This is NOT the case this time, whilst our graphics cards are more powerful the CPU's are at best 2 x more powerful (if you have a high end quad) and our memory and FSB speeds are roughly the same as the consoles.

 

 

GTA 3 - Released 8 months after the PS2 - sold 400,000 copies in the US

GTA VC - Released 7 months after the PS2 - sold 300,000 copies in the US

GTA SA - Released 8 months after the PS2 - sold 250,000 copies in the US

source

I have seen you disprove stuff like this with zero effort countless number of times. What's going on, mate?

I personally don't like those figures myself purely because they are for the US only, but they are the only figures we have. They clearly do show a trend though and that is declining sales for the PC version. I naturally would love to get my hands on european sales numbers but that is next to impossible but I believe the Euro sales will show the same thing declining sales figures.

 

Now I very very much doubt GTA 4 will even break 100,000 copies sold in the US. Obviously it will do marginally better in Europe but even if they sell 10 x the US amount in Europe that is only 1 million copies. We could of course argue blah blah release it at the same time and it will do better etc etc. Rockstar won't care about those arguments all they will see is declining sales on the PC so why bother supporting it. They will then see loads of people happily BRAGGING on a GTA forum that they pirated the PC version and say "f*ck it".

 

I myself have had my eyes opened to the sheer idiocy of some people, this is the first time I have been around this forum for a GTA launch on the PC and I am staggered at the lack of knowledge shown by some people. I love PC gaming and I love the GTA franchise but right at this moment after what I have seen going on here in this forum even I would say "f*ck the PC".

[Jc84144]

They will then see loads of people happily BRAGGING on a GTA forum that they pirated the PC version and say "f*ck it".

That's stupid. If every time a company released a game they made $100 million (just as an example) no matter if millions pirated it and bragged about it, they wouldn't stop making the game, as they still want to make the money from the people who do buy.

 

A company wants to make money, so as long as something is profitable, they wont stop. If they do stop, it's because they aren't making enough, not because they come on some forum and see people bragging about how they pirated it. So I really don't think you should let it get to you.

[Goatman455]

I am basing my San Andreas fact based on the overall package. First of all, the packaging itself, and presentation was second to none. Go check it out at Best Buy, it is presented as a tour guide to San Andreas, brilliant. Secondly, at the time it was released it played on the average PC absolutely fine. I don't base how good a port is off how well it runs vs. the system, I base it on how well it looks and how well it plays on the avg system at the time of it's release.

 

GTA IV played horribly, San Andreas played great.

 

Thirdly, they added draw distance and a lot of other graphical touches. In fact, I would say GTA IV has less sliders, or at least as many, than San Andreas. Progress is supposed to move forward, not stay stagnant.

 

 

I have played a lot of PC ports (and the originals on console) and I gotta say, San Andreas clearly showed some effort and time spent at making a great transition to the PC.

 

 

I could feel the love of the game in the polish of the PC San Andreas

 

I don't feel that same thing in GTA IV, do you?

 

 

 

"They will then see loads of people happily BRAGGING on a GTA forum that they pirated the PC version and say "f*ck it". "

 

And the circle of selfishness continues. Two wrongs don't make a right, they shouldn't use this as an excuse to steal it, but in the end, it is kind of a gray area when Rockstar is really just trying to get our money as fast as possible. The change has to start with the creator, not the customer.

Edited January 16, 2009 by Goatman455

[ShXIII]

Whatever the case regarding piracy it's safe to say the next GTA game that gets released (if) for the pc is going to be pirated to all hell and that's Rockstar own damn fault. This company f*cked to many people on this one and I highly doubt the people who bought GTA 4 are going to be so quick to lay down another 50 dollars so quickly in fear of being screwed over again.

 

Way to hurt the industry Rockstar, this is why PC gaming is getting such a bad name for itself because of sh*t like this.

 

Lets turn the tables for a moment and pretend that GTA 4 was released like this on consoles with such widespread problems, what do you people think would happen to Rockstar????

[Gen0cide_]

Im going to be pretty out of character here

 

I'll make a random assumption that... I dont know.... maybe ShXIII's GTA4 didn't work when he got it and he feels understandably cheated but needs to realise, the root of the problems you encountered are not PC specific, just hardware and windows specific. If you can update your windows , then it will work, If you can't, run it in windows 2000 compatibility mode so it doesn't report your version of windows and it will still work, If you haven't got the hardware, welcome to world of PC gaming, chances are you already have it on a console anyway, otherwise, get an 8600gt for $100 and use that until your beast can handle it. These days you should always have a backup GFX card anyway just in case.

 

I'll be honest, as an avid tweaker, I probrably don't understand what your going through because you've probrably never had problems with your stuff before, I'm used to it, and you would do well to get used to it as well.

 

Just my two pence (I'm british)

[ShXIII]

 

Im going to be pretty out of character here 

 

I'll make a random assumption that...  I dont know.... maybe ShXIII's GTA4 didn't work when he got it and he feels understandably cheated but needs to realise, the root of the problems you encountered are not PC specific, just hardware and windows specific. If you can update your windows , then it will work, If you can't, run it in windows 2000 compatibility mode so it doesn't report your version of windows and it will still work, If you haven't  got the hardware, welcome to world of PC gaming, chances are you already have it on a console anyway, otherwise, get an 8600gt for $100 and use that until your beast can handle it. These days you should always have a backup GFX card anyway just in case.

 

I'll be honest, as an avid tweaker, I probrably don't understand what your going through because you've probrably never had problems with your stuff before, I'm used to it, and you would do well to get used to it as well.

 

Just my two pence (I'm british)

Yes I was burned on this game, Ive been a pc gamer since Doom so tweaking PC games is not new to me its a way of PC gaming. I cant even remember the last game I played on PC that didn't need a tweak or workaround. Right now I'm playing Tomb Raider underworld with glovepie running in the background so I can get the control scheme the way I want. But GTA IV was beyond any tweaking to get it to run at least minimally decent for me.

 

Not sure why my sig didn't show up but my specs are far and above GTA IV "requirements"

 

Vista Ultimate 32 bit full updates

4 GIGS of DDR800

GTX260 latest drivers

Core 2 Duo e8500

MSI P965 Limited Platinum

[DIRTYDUNKY]

 

Yes I was burned on this game, Ive been a pc gamer since Doom so tweaking PC games is not new to me its a way of PC gaming. I cant even remember the last game I played on PC that didn't need a tweak or workaround. Right now I'm playing Tomb Raider underworld with glovepie running in the background so I can get the control scheme the way I want. But GTA IV was beyond any tweaking to get it to run at least minimally decent for me.

 

Not sure why my sig didn't show up but my specs are far and above  GTA IV "requirements"

 

Vista Ultimate 32 bit full updates

4 GIGS of DDR800

GTX260 latest drivers

Core 2 Duo e8500

MSI P965 Limited Platinum

I agree

ive been playing PC games since the mid 90's and no game has ever been console like when it comes to bugs and tweaking

but

this is fcking ridiculous

 

this tuesday will be 7 weeks since the release

lets see how some other games have supported their products in the first 2 or so months

 

COUNTERSTRIKE SOURCE patch history

 

BF2142 patch history

 

both of these games had issues in the 1st release

2142 patched it the same day it released, 3 more within 2 months of release

CS:S 2 days after and its constantly updated

 

why? cause valve and ea (believe it or not) want to at least have the impression that they care if not a genuine concern for putting out a quality product and having happy lil consumers

 

and some of those patches are a single fix, TO FIX THINGS THEY SCREWED UP IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION

 

CS:S has a built in content delivery system named steam of course

too bad GTAIV doesnt have 1

o wait it does gfwl great

so why the fck cant i have my usb flight stick plugged in while i play GTAIV, 6 FCKING WEEKS AFTER THE FCKING PATCH!?!?!?!?!?

 

cause i dont think they really care

 

this is a bad port with even shttier support

the 3 of you who can play with no problems go start a happy thread and let us complain

(not that it would matter. those other games actually responded to THOUSANDS OF POSTS ABOUT PROBLEMS THEIR CUSTOMERS WERE HAVING!!!)

 

if i sold one of my customers a machine and it wouldnt start

i come in and throw a key switch in and it still doesnt start

and i waited 7 weeks or more to get back without word or comment

i think id get punched in the face when i showed back up

[turbo1508]

Whatever the case regarding piracy it's safe to say the next GTA game that gets released (if) for the pc is going to be pirated to all hell and that's Rockstar own damn fault. This company f*cked to many people on this one and I highly doubt the people who bought GTA 4 are going to be so quick to lay down another 50 dollars so quickly in fear of being screwed over again.

 

Way to hurt the industry Rockstar, this is why PC gaming is getting such a bad name for itself because of sh*t like this.

 

Lets turn the tables for a moment and pretend that GTA 4 was released like this on consoles with such widespread problems, what do you people think would happen to Rockstar????

Your damn right

[SativaHaze]

And the whining continues. The game runs great here as I patiently await the next patch. Most people's systems are the problems.

 

Dell Precision 690, 16 Gigs Ram, dual Xeon 5160 3.0 Ghz processors, 64 bit vista, dual 1Gig 9800Gt's in SLI oc'd..... I can play on full, like butter. I keep the traffic density down to 20 though as I hate traffic... lol

Edited January 17, 2009 by SativaHaze

[turbo1508]

And the whining continues. The game runs great here as I patiently await the next patch. Most people's systems are the problems.

 

Dell Precision 690, 16 Gigs Ram, dual Xeon 5160 3.0 Ghz processors, 64 bit vista, dual 1Gig 9800Gt's in SLI oc'd..... I can play on full, like butter. I keep the traffic density down to 20 though as I hate traffic... lol

Yeah the game runs great on my 4870 i like 15-22fps cause i dont like smooth gameplay. The game looks so good also i hate FSAA i prefer a rougher look. Multiplayers a blast with rampant cheating and no deicated servers but i like it because i dont even see what my ping is its just a coloured bar. I also love the other programs i had to install to play. I also dont mind unplugging all my game controllers before i play.

 

Why would anyone whine about such a great product???

[TruXter]

memory leak is a myth (at least, to the extent that it causes problems... because I suffer Zero issues

Thanks for illustrating so succinctly the reason people get so pissed-off with you and the rest of the denial-squad. You don't experience any problems, therefore there are no problems.

 

Why are you lot even in the support forums? You certainly aren't here to help anyone, and are here purely to antagonise those who have legitimate issues.

you miss one point there about teh "denial squad"

 

If he doesn't and all the others in denial do not suffer "memory leaks"

Did they all get a magic install disk where it was coded right?

or do they all just know what they are doing when they installed the game?

 

 

 

in rebutal to all gtaiv rants:

The empty can rattles the most.

[ZaCkOX]

memory leak is a myth (at least, to the extent that it causes problems... because I suffer Zero issues

Thanks for illustrating so succinctly the reason people get so pissed-off with you and the rest of the denial-squad. You don't experience any problems, therefore there are no problems.

 

Why are you lot even in the support forums? You certainly aren't here to help anyone, and are here purely to antagonise those who have legitimate issues.

you miss one point there about teh "denial squad"

 

If he doesn't and all the others in denial do not suffer "memory leaks"

Did they all get a magic install disk where it was coded right?

or do they all just know what they are doing when they installed the game?

 

 

 

in rebutal to all gtaiv rants:

The empty can rattles the most.

Exactly, I told you they have no comparable experience but yet they try to make it "sound" like they do. Kurgen if anything you and I and many others know how to read these idiots.

[TruXter]

 

And the whining continues. The game runs great here as I patiently await the next patch. Most people's systems are the problems.

 

Dell Precision 690, 16 Gigs Ram, dual Xeon 5160 3.0 Ghz processors, 64 bit vista, dual 1Gig 9800Gt's in SLI oc'd..... I can play on full, like butter. I keep the traffic density down to 20 though as I hate traffic... lol

Yeah the game runs great on my 4870 i like 15-22fps cause i dont like smooth gameplay. The game looks so good also i hate FSAA i prefer a rougher look. Multiplayers a blast with rampant cheating and no deicated servers but i like it because i dont even see what my ping is its just a coloured bar. I also love the other programs i had to install to play. I also dont mind unplugging all my game controllers before i play.

 

Why would anyone whine about such a great product???

you have been pootin and pouting about it so much, you never even found the thread about " http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058824310 "

Quit B*tchen, fix your rig.. you don't have to do anything, but you do have an option. it's what gta's all about. MODDING!

again

The empty can rattles the most.

Edited January 17, 2009 by TruXter

[Soul Challenger]

ive been playing PC games since the mid 90's and no game has ever been console like when it comes to bugs and tweaking

but

this is fcking ridiculous

 

this tuesday will be 7 weeks since the release

lets see how some other games have supported their products in the first 2 or so months

 

COUNTERSTRIKE SOURCE patch history

 

BF2142 patch history

 

both of these games had issues in the 1st release

2142 patched it the same day it released, 3 more within 2 months of release

CS:S 2 days after and its constantly updated

You forgot to mention Test Drive Unlimited PC, for which Atari released the first and last patch after 4.5 months (!). The patch did not fix one of the core features of the game - interclub races - which is unavailable to date and will never be fixed. Of course, the 360 version is just fine since day one. See the parallel to GTA? Seems to be a disturbing trend these days. Companies do get somehow greedy and forget about their initial philosophy.

Take Autodesk for example. First 3DMax, then they buy Alias (Maya), then Mudbox, now they bought Softimage. They have acquired almost all major 3D modeling/animation packages. And we all know what that means: sh*tty support and lots of bugs.

 

Sooner or later a new game company will come, with fresh ideas, and will kick Rockstar's arse. The same way GTA overpassed the Driver franchise. Remember the disastrous Driv3r? cough cough, Atari, cough cough. "Tanner, you suck" in GTASA?

 

Nothing lasts forever, not even GTA. The only thing of concern is that people seem to forget way too easily and way too fast. That's why history repeats itself, over and over.

 

 

[ZaCkOX]

 

I have minimum specs and get steady 30 fps and memory leak is a myth (at least, to the extent that it causes problems... because I suffer Zero issues) but to make you have hope, I switched to vista today to see if I get a bad performance. We'll see soon, wish luck!

Need I say more? LOL. Myth yes it is! It's a myth that your not an idiot either chngdman. I love how you think your a better techy than a lot of us but yet you still prove you aren't. I love it, love it, love IT!

 

I would like to see the inside of your brain. Maybe then I can understand why people like you try so hard to not be stupid.

 

 

[ZaCkOX]

 

And the whining continues. The game runs great here as I patiently await the next patch. Most people's systems are the problems.

 

Dell Precision 690, 16 Gigs Ram, dual Xeon 5160 3.0 Ghz processors, 64 bit vista, dual 1Gig 9800Gt's in SLI oc'd..... I can play on full, like butter. I keep the traffic density down to 20 though as I hate traffic... lol

Yeah the game runs great on my 4870 i like 15-22fps cause i dont like smooth gameplay. The game looks so good also i hate FSAA i prefer a rougher look. Multiplayers a blast with rampant cheating and no deicated servers but i like it because i dont even see what my ping is its just a coloured bar. I also love the other programs i had to install to play. I also dont mind unplugging all my game controllers before i play.

 

Why would anyone whine about such a great product???

you have been pootin and pouting about it so much, you never even found the thread about " http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058824310 "

Quit B*tchen, fix your rig.. you don't have to do anything, but you do have an option. it's what gta's all about. MODDING!

again

The empty can rattles the most.

Ya let me crack the game for us, spend a couple months looking for the memory leak, final fix it and give it back to everyone so that Rockstar does this. => Let's all mod the game so it finally works! Rockstar does this

 

[TruXter]

And the whining continues. The game runs great here as I patiently await the next patch. Most people's systems are the problems.

 

Dell Precision 690, 16 Gigs Ram, dual Xeon 5160 3.0 Ghz processors, 64 bit vista, dual 1Gig 9800Gt's in SLI oc'd..... I can play on full, like butter. I keep the traffic density down to 20 though as I hate traffic... lol

Yeah the game runs great on my 4870 i like 15-22fps cause i dont like smooth gameplay. The game looks so good also i hate FSAA i prefer a rougher look. Multiplayers a blast with rampant cheating and no deicated servers but i like it because i dont even see what my ping is its just a coloured bar. I also love the other programs i had to install to play. I also dont mind unplugging all my game controllers before i play.

 

Why would anyone whine about such a great product???

you have been pootin and pouting about it so much, you never even found the thread about " http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058824310 "

Quit B*tchen, fix your rig.. you don't have to do anything, but you do have an option. it's what gta's all about. MODDING!

again

The empty can rattles the most.

Ya let me crack the game for us, spend a couple months looking for the memory leak, final fix it and give it back to everyone so that Rockstar does this. => Let's all mod the game so it finally works! Rockstar does this

 

ok, sit here and b*tch about it

k?

 

you are such a whiney lil troll.

For everything you cry about , there is a fix to shut you crybabies up

yet you are still here crying. go away already.

Just because it does not work for you, does not mean it's broke. go troll elsewhere

[ZaCkOX]

And the whining continues. The game runs great here as I patiently await the next patch. Most people's systems are the problems.

 

Dell Precision 690, 16 Gigs Ram, dual Xeon 5160 3.0 Ghz processors, 64 bit vista, dual 1Gig 9800Gt's in SLI oc'd..... I can play on full, like butter. I keep the traffic density down to 20 though as I hate traffic... lol

Yeah the game runs great on my 4870 i like 15-22fps cause i dont like smooth gameplay. The game looks so good also i hate FSAA i prefer a rougher look. Multiplayers a blast with rampant cheating and no deicated servers but i like it because i dont even see what my ping is its just a coloured bar. I also love the other programs i had to install to play. I also dont mind unplugging all my game controllers before i play.

 

Why would anyone whine about such a great product???

They want to whine so that GTA 4 makes it to game of the year.

 

But honestly, when Rockstar decided to do the things they did, they are just like other greedy companies. They could care less about their customers, and it will eventually lead to their downfall. The theory to Rockstar's silence is not say anything. They don't want to fix it. They just want to move on and get the next project out.

[ZaCkOX]

 

ok, sit here and b*tch about it

k?

 

you are such a whiney lil  troll.

For everything you cry about , there is a fix to shut you crybabies up

yet you are still here crying.  go away already.

Just because it does not work for you, does not mean it's broke. go troll elsewhere

When you got nothing else to say to me, you look like an idiot.

 

[TruXter]

 

ok, sit here and b*tch about it

k?

 

you are such a whiney lil  troll.

For everything you cry about , there is a fix to shut you crybabies up

yet you are still here crying.  go away already.

Just because it does not work for you, does not mean it's broke. go troll elsewhere

When you got nothing else to say to me, you look like an idiot.

 

and the monkey fell off the ball?

 

WTF ARE YOU SAYING?

 

I showed a fix to something I have seen him and you cry about. there is a fix to all your issues if you just search the forums. get off your $ss and quit crying. at least try or stfu.