GTA IV is not a bad port. Not even a port.

[trip]

its a port. just based on the fact that you get that stupid 'dont turn your system off' message when loading/saving/whatnot. they could have atleast tried to fool us and just change that text to the more pc familuar 'please wait' or even 'load' or 'saving' message.

 

lets get the detailed definition from rockstar around what they mean when they claimed it was build from the ground up for the PC. sure they can say that and still use most of the existing xbox code and shared libraries

[PacMaan]

I have said it before and I'll say it again, this is one of the worst ports I have ever seen coming off the heels of the best PC port of all time (San Andreas), no excuses Rockstar.

You obviously aint seen Saints Row 2 for PC lolz

[Goatman455]

I heard that was aweful, note I said "One of the worst" (GTA IV) and "The best" (San Andreas)

[Badass_Cyborg]

 

I did just found out!

 

GTA IV is not a bad port from ps3/xbox360. Instead it's the same game!

 

Installmenu is f*cked up with lots of "???" characters = Windows can't read Xbox360 files correctly

 

You need RGSC so start the game = It uses RGSC to emulate a Xbox360 game, thats why you can skip login. The login part is just a cover so people don't understand it's an emulator.

 

You need Microsoft XLive games to play "online" = PC-Version don't have their own master-servers to find games. Instead it uses XLive as an emulator to be able to use Xbox360 Live server list.

 

It finally makes sense!

 

[Killuminati91]

Actually its not a port. Rockstar Toronto said that they build gta iv for the pc from the ground up and took over a year. They rearanged all the animations etc and made a pc version so its not a port...

haha you believe them?

[Kurgen]

Oh do f*ck off.

 

It has been more than proven that the zippiest streamlined stripped down XP that will return the top 5% benchmarks in all other games returns poor results due to the simple base fact the game is ported very badly.

 

My best run benchmark returned 68FPS, average 63, this translates to sh*t in-game performance, your low standards or absolute lack of, is no justification for this.

 

Then again your lazy witless response is typical of many of the automatons here, just happy to have the game run at 20fps, some of us however, have far higher standards.

QFT.

 

 

[Kurgen]

This topic is an inaccurate trolling of a well made game.

First your hilarious assessment and prediction of anti-aliasing, and now this. You are delusional.

 

 

[Pixelated]

I did just found out!

 

GTA IV is not a bad port from ps3/xbox360. Instead it's the same game!

 

Installmenu is f*cked up with lots of "???" characters = Windows can't read Xbox360 files correctly

 

You need RGSC so start the game = It uses RGSC to emulate a Xbox360 game, thats why you can skip login. The login part is just a cover so people don't understand it's an emulator.

 

You need Microsoft XLive games to play "online" = PC-Version don't have their own master-servers to find games. Instead it uses XLive as an emulator to be able to use Xbox360 Live server list.

 

It finally makes sense!

Durrrrr.......

[eagle016]

Dude, its a port.

It's the same game. I sh*t you not

Isn't that essentially what a port is... the same game?

[CharmingCharlie]

I have said it before and I'll say it again, this is one of the worst ports I have ever seen coming off the heels of the best PC port of all time (San Andreas), no excuses Rockstar.

Why do people think GTA SA was a "good" port. Let's look at this factually for a second shall we. The console version of GTA Sa ran on the following equipment :-

 

PS2 = 300mhz processor with 32mbs of system ram and 4mbs of Vram

Xbox = 733mhz P3 processor 64mbs of ram

 

Now the PC version of GTA SA needed the following :-

 

Pentium 4 processor

384gbs of system ram

128gbs of video ram

 

So to play GTA SA you needed a processor nearly 4 x faster than the PS2 and nearly 3 x faster than the Xbox 1 and you needed 10 times the ram of both consoles. Yet you guys consider it was a "good port", I really can't see where you are coming from here.

[TheHitm4N]

Stupid theory from OP. This game is very badly ported on PC, fact..

[turbo1508]

LOL sa ran like a dream when compared to gta 4 , no frame rate issues there.

 

My current pc would be a hell of alot faster than an xbox 360 and gta 4 runs out of the box at 23 fps on the lowest resolution and settings. All other games run sweet. I can remember when i played sa on my 1.7g p4 it was fine.

 

So yeah, Sa was a great port when compared to gta 4. No doubt.

[CharmingCharlie]

So you completely missed the point then turbo1508 of course GTA SA played fine on your P4 1.7ghz processor it was THREE times more powerful than the console. The reason why SA worked is because PC tech had vastly surpassed anything the consoles had.

[turbo1508]

OMG charlie xbox 360 gpu technology was surpassed YEARS AGO my 4870 should be having sex with its family and children etc like it does in all other games. You just have to admit that this is a sh*tty port. Even gta 3 came out a hall of a lot better than this. When are you going to wake up?

[ExitiumMachina]

OMG charlie xbox 360 gpu technology was surpassed YEARS AGO my 4870 should be having sex with its family and children etc like it does in all other games. You just have to admit that this is a sh*tty port. Even gta 3 came out a hall of a lot better than this. When are you going to wake up?

"like it does in all other games"...that is where you are going wrong. You cannot compare one game to the other, different technology and vastly different limitations of that technology. One is 10x easier to convert because it has been done by multiple companies multiple times, the other (Euphoria) has been used on such a limited basis that it is to be expected to have some problems bringing the technology over for the first time around.

 

*Do note this is Rockstar's first attempt with Euphoria.

[turbo1508]

Regardless of first time or seventh time doesnt matter. Your giveing them the excuse because 'it was there first time'. I dont give a f*ck. Im a paying customer like others here with a relatively high end and well maintained system and the game runs like ass. I cant get a refund so in the end im paying for a product that fails, although the fanboys would like me to believe that i dont know how to use my pc etc

 

You can give them all the excuses in the world, the released a poorly coded producted and rushed it out the door for christmas. The consumers got f*cked.

 

[Gutslab]

I have not read the topic, but am making this post in support of whatever the OP and any suceeding posters had to say concerning the game in question, GTA IV, on it's NEGATIVE aspects only. Now if I could only get my $50 back.

[ExitiumMachina]

Could always lower your settings and not expect the game to run with everything at 100%...which for the most part of this thread is what everyone is expecting. Runs fine on my mid-range machine, but apparently I have low standards of gaming...

[TruXter]

Not a port, Not a bad port. Great game.

 

Just too many f*cking newbs throwing tantrums. I really wish the mods would start kicking you dumb*sses out of here. your threads are trollish flame bait. this thread clearly is bullsh*t and so is the o/p for this..

the "emulator" can be turned off with the "xlive.dll" before you even start the game, and you can keep it off>

 

So if an emulated game can be played without the emulator, what do you call it ?

[CharmingCharlie]

OMG charlie xbox 360 gpu technology was surpassed YEARS AGO my 4870 should be having sex with its family and children etc like it does in all other games. You just have to admit that this is a sh*tty port. Even gta 3 came out a hall of a lot better than this. When are you going to wake up?

Yes graphics cards are 2 - 3 times more powerful than the xbox and PS3 that is ONLY ONE PART OF THE EQUATION. The other parts such as your CPU and the fsb are barely surpassing the consoles. I hate consoles as much as the next guy but at the end of the day even 3 years later they are still very capable machines. Now if you want better graphics than the consoles you have to have a PC that is 2 to 3 times better in EVERY area not just one.

[ExitiumMachina]

OMG charlie xbox 360 gpu technology was surpassed YEARS AGO my 4870 should be having sex with its family and children etc like it does in all other games. You just have to admit that this is a sh*tty port. Even gta 3 came out a hall of a lot better than this. When are you going to wake up?

Yes graphics cards are 2 - 3 times more powerful than the xbox and PS3 that is ONLY ONE PART OF THE EQUATION. The other parts such as your CPU and the fsb are barely surpassing the consoles. I hate consoles as much as the next guy but at the end of the day even 3 years later they are still very capable machines. Now if you want better graphics than the consoles you have to have a PC that is 2 to 3 times better in EVERY area not just one.

You tell them Charlie! Don't take any guff from these swine!

 

Seriously though, just because one or two parts of your hardware surpass the consoles doesn't mean there isn't another one or two parts that simply do not...hence why it won't run at a magical 100% everything...which is the problem with expectations, instead, why not enjoy the game for what you can get out of it at this point in time and wait until you upgrade your PC a bit more to try and pull 100% out of it.

[bob_0213]

i can't say for sure it's emulated but how do u explain this :

 

1. Piss poor shadows (which wouldn't have happened if it was a ground-up pc build -so they say-)

 

2. The game NOT needing much GPU power yet, Massive processing power is required, which rings a painful bell in my head

(ps2 emulators for example have the same case)

 

3. The freaking Dos screen that says -to me anyway- : "hello , I'm an emulator and u r about to get sh*tty performance "

 

But again i'm not sure **sarcasm**

-note: the RGSC is not an emulator, the DOS screen IS, since u can close the RGSC and game would run but u CAN'T close the dos screen. That's what i think anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

[chngdman]

 

i can't say for sure it's emulated but how do u explain this :

 

1. Piss poor shadows (which wouldn't have happened if it was a ground-up pc build -so they say-)

 

2. The game NOT needing much GPU power yet, Massive processing power is required, which rings a painful bell in my head

    (ps2 emulators for example have the same case)

 

3. The freaking Dos screen that says -to me anyway- : "hello , I'm an emulator and u r about to get sh*tty performance "

 

But again i'm not sure **sarcasm**

-note: the RGSC is not an emulator, the DOS screen IS, since u can close the RGSC and game would run but u CAN'T  close the dos screen. That's what i think anyway.

1: Your resolution settings are pathetic. When you are playing at intended resolutions, with intended DOF, the shadows are the best I have ever seen real-time in my ENTIRE life And no one complained about these shadows in Mass Effect, and they looked nowhere near as good and weren't even used right.

 

They only shake because hours are not *V* minutes yet

 

2: We will not even be using GPUs for as long as you think and they were a temporary solution to a problem that CPUs are finally [close to being] able to surpass. GPUs, if anything, have completely held graphics back. Meaning, you can do ONE kind of rendering really good and better as time moves forward... but that kind of rendering sucks. How about real vector and sh*t? Can we get vestor? You would never even want to antialias a vector image - they are not pixels... (SO there AA whiners) We're going back to Software rendering sooner than later, and I think IV is built to last through that, even if the modules would need to be rebuilt and patched or something. It makes sense why a lot of things are done in 'proprietary' ways for this game. However, NOW you see why Rockstar can do a game that you cannot do on a 360 (PS3 exclusive). And if you still don't see, read on:

 

And before ANYONE defends GPU, please, do a favor to yourself and STFU for a minute to read this (because you will love it and it will give you hope ). We're a little behind, but why do you think PS3 used the cell and a weak 7900? Because GPU based graphics API will be a thing of the past and only used in those machines for legacy games. Old games. Cell is going to be the reason why PS3 outlasts the next xbox. And this is exactly why xbox only has 10mb video memory as well... Well, there are a lot of things to point out about the return to software rendering, the 'Sleeping Giant/Waiting Dragon' strategy of Sony PS3 team, and why Japan has the last laugh. And this ain't the topic for it, really Both companies are ready for the switch, only one will need a new SKU, and suddenly, now that I say that, Xbox price point and rush to market makes sense. They weren't competing yet, they owned the market, because sony can't compete yet because developers still want to use DX and OpenGL. NOW you can see how wildly you people misunderstood "Hard to develop for". It's a new way of programming an old way of doing things, one that Sony jumped on too fast by our eyes, but will work out just fine as it was "the plan" ever since GPU started extorting game developers. f*ck GPU. phasing them out again. Temporary fix to a temporary problem.

 

 

3: That is incorrect. This game is not an emulation. What you all who say this fail to realize is that .net is a runtime. It takes time to initialize. No matter how small an application is, you need to load the whole runtime before you can use it. This speeds development, and some things end up faster in practice, but you always end up with idiots who make sh*t up in their own head for why things are the way they are, and then good people like you get fooled and dragged into an arguement that doesn't even exist.

 

And, Note to yourself, that cmd window (it hasn't been dos for nigh on 10 years...) is not an emulator, it is a copy protection guardian application provided by Sony.

Edited January 16, 2009 by chngdman

[Kaizen]

Not sure what the OP is talking about? The '???' characters was an error in the installation with non-english versions of windows. The Xbox version had no installer.

 

You don't need XLive to play online, I just have to make a GFWL account and I could play online.

 

Dunno what CGLK or whatever is, but I doubt it's an Xbox360 emulator. Do you realise the amount of cpu power you would need to emulate the Xbox360's hardware? Even PS2 emulation is slow and buggy as crap.

PS2 emulation is pretty much there thanks to this morning official Pg svn build (cheers cotton )

 

The amount of work to code recompilers for a 360 emulator are f*ckING HUGE

 

There is NO BIOS calls in gtaiv pc for the 360, it is not an emulator you noobtards

[bob_0213]

for the shadows part, i'm running 1280 X 1024 not that high , i know. but it's reasonably enough. as far as i know the xbox 360 version is running 1280 X 720 and the ps3 running lower. so do i have to run the game at 2560 x 1600 so that my eyes won't bleed from the ugly looking shadows come'on (i guess at such resolution the lack of AA won't matter )

 

as for this http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/gpu...y-interview.ars

HOLY sh*t

i've never heard that b4, thx 4 enlightening me if that did happen in my gaming life i would remember u , at least i'll remember that some dude at gtaforums.com told me about this b4

 

i still dont' get the CMD screen part

 

oh and off topic , got any news on intel's Larrabee ? how it would perform, compete against ati and nvidia , expectations , etc i read it will be out late 2009 or 2010.

[chngdman]

Well, Larrabee is up and down, I haven't really read anything new about it in ages (but I haven't looked very deep either, not sure if they mentioned it at CES 2009 or not, I'm sure they had a booth there). Sweeney was the last place I saw it other than some old youtube videos at last year's shows, and that was months ago too.

 

See, the CMD window replaced DOS with NT4 (I *think* NT4 started with Win 2000 and up, maybe it was XP). The CMD for GTA IV is (not exclusively) the copy protection. It's Sony DADC Austria: http://www.sonydadc.com/opencms/opencms/si...sony/index.html

 

About the resolutions, sadly, yea, it's made for very HD (pc version) and to last. Thing is, our next games will look very amazing compared to what the console players get. They are pretty locked in (look at it this way, aside from resolution, III was the same as on PC and PS2, then VC brought minor advancements to PC and XBox, but SA REALLY shined on PC and PS2 showed it's age for that - the consoles will show their age on the next GTAs, but our PC will finally have a reason from those higher settings, and by then our future pc will be our present PC )

 

Am I forgetting anything? Someone pick up where I drop the ball

[ZaCkOX]

Ok enough of the damn poker faces. I'm laying my winning hand out on the table.

 

You can delete my post, ban everyone that has complaints, and constantly lock the threads. But your damn a idiot believing all this sh*t will go away.

 

1.) Rockstar did this to themselves.

2.) No one is lying about their performance problems, bugs, other glitches, and etc. etc. etc.

3.) The game is a port and a very very very bad one at that.

4.) Don't believe all the code was changed for a PC, your an idiot otherwise.

5.) It seems I had to read a lot of non-sense and less experienced crap from these four -> CharmingCharlie, ExitiumMachina, TruXter, chngdman.

 

And they are pretty much the backbone to believing GTA 4 isn't f*cked up. But here's why I don't believe them.

 

1.) Some of the stuff posted IS NOT TRUE.

2.) You try to get me to read bullsh*t to say your smart, it doesn't work when I know it's a lie.

3.) They flat haven't got any idea how the game SHOULD BE WORKING.

4.) IT'S NOT f*ckEN FINE 100%, GREAT GAME IF IT REQUIRES TWEAKING WHICH YOU ALL DO, SO STFU AND STOP BEING STUPID.

 

I'm sorry for being an asshole, but someone has to tell them the truth.

 

You can try everything above, and even flood the forums with more unbelievable crap but 1 thing for you.

 

YOU WILL NOT INCREASE ANY POSITIVE FEELINGS FOR ME ABOUT THIS GAME. Everyone that knows it's f*cked knows it is. You might be able to convince some idiots. But you will not get the rest of us with any positive feelings. So continue with your research and post it here. I love to see the responses.

 

batta BAM.... poor bastards.

[slivski]

ZaCkOX, so you're saying everyone that is showing proof and links to support their views, is lying...simply because you think so? All i have heard you say is that "everbody is wrong except for me...but I have nothing to back that up". Do you see how this doesn't work? You can't accuse everyone of wrongdoing, when you yourself have done nothing to back yourself up except to say "you are lying".

 

You're "winning hand" was a very poor one. Yes this may not be the best port, but think of everything that's going on in the game. You can't expect the same computer that played San Andreas on medium to play IV on medium.

[ZaCkOX]

 

ZaCkOX, so you're saying everyone that is showing proof and links to support their views, is lying...simply because you think so? All i have heard you say is that "everbody is wrong except for me...but I have nothing to back that up". Do you see how this doesn't work? You can't accuse everyone of wrongdoing, when you yourself have done nothing to back yourself up except to say "you are lying".

 

You're "winning hand" was a very poor one. Yes this may not be the best port, but think of everything that's going on in the game. You can't expect the same computer that played San Andreas on medium to play IV on medium.

That's where you get me wrong, I'm not an idiot am I? You want me to believe that? Phhf why you even reply with such a remark. My hand still wins. Sorry to say but you can't beat it with those words.

 

It's going to take someone with more experience and more sly to beat me at this game. Not to mention to make-up beliefs that I am wrong. Let's see, prove me wrong!

Edited January 16, 2009 by ZaCkOX

[Kurgen]

You can't expect the same computer that played San Andreas on medium to play IV on medium.

Who said we should?