AK47-Maximus Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I spoke with Rockstar on the phone and all I have to say, dont expect another patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooscooper Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Hey, what is pagefile and how can I manipulate it to make the best use of my RAM? Maybe thats why my FPS is crap. Right click my computer -> Properties -> Advanced Tab -> Advanced tab in the next window that pops up as well -> see Virtual Memory, click Change button. Do you have 2+ gigs of ram? Set to 3070/3070 or 2046/4092 - if that doesn't help, it's not the problem, or you need to remove the page file (options are there) altogether and make a new one (preferably on a different partition), and finally defrag, and do the steps before a second time, this time removing the new page file and putting it back where it was (on the system partition) You can also put it to another partition if you want, and you may notice significant gains from a separate disk altogether. However, if the page file meets these recommended sizes above, it may be fragmented, which is the whole purpose of the steps above, to make sure you have one contiguous page file. what is a page file <-- lol, love that site @LSD - no. you are spinning things, you are falsely relying on others to read your posts and not mine. I already told you - PLEASE - POINT OUT WHAT IS BAD ABOUT MY GAME IN M VIDEO. YOU CANT> IF your 60 FPS turns to 30, my 30 in benchmark should turn to 15. DUDE - YOU make a video, or you are a f*cking liar. VID OR IT DIDDUN HAPPUN and do we REALLY need to be this negative about it? yea, it takes two, and I am pissed too at this point, but come on, how will you get your problem solved and not hate me when I leave to go play my nice running GTA IV if you just want to attack unrelated things about me? Nowhere on the box does it say that it can't run on a laptop, and every other game I own works flawlessly (COD 5; Dead space; tomb raider etc etc etc.). Again, this simply exemplifies my point that I shouldn't have to spend hours on the internet to work-out if my machine can play this game, laptop or otherwise. If it doesn't work on laptops, they need to say-so on the packaging. I bought a laptop as I have to work away from home but I also like to play computer games, so sorry if this offends you... Thank you for your advice though, you sound like a 'top bloke'.P.S. Class actions are US specific, but then nobody likes a smart-arse do they... Nowhere on the specs is there mobile technology. the minimum and recommended specs outline desktop hardware, there are to T or M chips there. Your 8600 is not an 8600. It is a mobile 8600. my page file is 2345. what does it mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2crank Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 YES THEY F*CKED US !! AND I HOPE YOU ALL WILL NEVER FORGET THIS !!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I spoke with Rockstar on the phone and all I have to say, dont expect another patch. Hmm I knew that before talking to them. Rockstar Toronto said this to me: I have the game running currently on XP 32 with 1 Gig of Ram and an ATI X1950 card with 512mb of Ram. Screen Res is 800x480, textures on low, render on medium, view distance 21, detail distance 20. And yes Zackox, if your system RAM is not available for textures to load in you will have missing textures. This game is constantly streaming textures in, it doesn't load a "level" like the other games you mention. And my reply to your reply dumbass. Of course they don't because they work, no command lines, no outdated crap. You know how many games have been out doing exactly what you say and work right now? Let's count.... 1, 2, 3 ... oh, all except - 1 (GTA 4 for PC) Not to mention we can build a better laptop than those specs and it still doesn't play. Where is your brain? Or maybe you don't care because you already have our money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooscooper Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 TELL ME WHAT TO DO HERE PLEASE CHNG That's after I unchecked the automatic box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 TELL ME WHAT TO DO HERE PLEASE CHNG That's after I unchecked the automatic box Hey poo, in the top box of custom, put 3070, in the bottom box, put that as well. Once it is set, do a defrag - see the green stuff? One chunk is your OS, the other chunk is your page file and master file table. Or, if you are not using windows defrag and you have Defraggler (recommended, actually) you're page file and MFT are the purple blocks. Once you've set this, defrag your drive and do it again (the defrag) then again (one mo time). If there is no improvement, please disable the page file, reboot, defrag (may take longer this time, but since you did it a couple times it wont be bad at all, maybe as long as the first time if it wasn't very fragged) then immediately set the page file to your 3070/3070. Now you have a for-sure non-fragmented page file and if this does not fix it, you've exhausted this avenue and unfortunately we'll need to look another route. @Z: Again, nowhere in the minimum nor the recommended settings is any mobile hardware mentioned or implied. The only hardware on there is desktop bound. Rockstar does not support laptops on this title. Call and ask. Or maybe you don't care because you already have our money. Mebbeh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algenon_iii Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Did they f*ck-up? YES big time! Did they behave like f*ck-wits? YES. Did they f*ck us? NO I think not. GTA IV once you ignore all the crap is actually a really good enjoyable game, trouble is too many people have had to put up with the crap. If I had to pick one major f*ck-up I'd say it's a lack of proper testing, as it would have picked-up most if not all of these problems. There's the old saying "a bad craftsman always blames his tools" rewritten for R* it becomes "a bad software developer always blames the users PC" - sadly that's what R* have done. Even small differences in hardware/software can cause badly written or hacked together code to develop glitches (been there done that, had to start again from scratch). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
step_hen Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Nowhere on the box does it say that it can't run on a laptop, and every other game I own works flawlessly (COD 5; Dead space; tomb raider etc etc etc.). Again, this simply exemplifies my point that I shouldn't have to spend hours on the internet to work-out if my machine can play this game, laptop or otherwise. If it doesn't work on laptops, they need to say-so on the packaging. I bought a laptop as I have to work away from home but I also like to play computer games, so sorry if this offends you... Thank you for your advice though, you sound like a 'top bloke'.P.S. Class actions are US specific, but then nobody likes a smart-arse do they... Nowhere on the specs is there mobile technology. the minimum and recommended specs outline desktop hardware, there are to T or M chips there. Your 8600 is not an 8600. It is a mobile 8600. Nowhere in the specs for L4D or Tomb raider is there mention mobile cards, but they're fine. Dead Space kindly mentions that there might be problems with laptops (but it's fine). GTAIV doesn't mention it AT ALL. So, to reiterate my point about false advertising, if it won't work on laptops then they need to state it clearly (as Dead Space does). I don't think this is unreasonable. Anyway, it's obvious now that I won't ever be able to play this game, and the only after I've spent HOURS looking on the internet about it. Verdict 1: R* f*cked me by withholding critical information (whatever chang-face has to say about it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Nowhere on the box does it say that it can't run on a laptop, and every other game I own works flawlessly (COD 5; Dead space; tomb raider etc etc etc.). Again, this simply exemplifies my point that I shouldn't have to spend hours on the internet to work-out if my machine can play this game, laptop or otherwise. If it doesn't work on laptops, they need to say-so on the packaging. I bought a laptop as I have to work away from home but I also like to play computer games, so sorry if this offends you... Thank you for your advice though, you sound like a 'top bloke'.P.S. Class actions are US specific, but then nobody likes a smart-arse do they... Nowhere on the specs is there mobile technology. the minimum and recommended specs outline desktop hardware, there are to T or M chips there. Your 8600 is not an 8600. It is a mobile 8600. Nowhere in the specs for L4D or Tomb raider is there mention mobile cards, but they're fine. Dead Space kindly mentions that there might be problems with laptops (but it's fine). GTAIV doesn't mention it AT ALL. So, to reiterate my point about false advertising, if it won't work on laptops then they need to state it clearly (as Dead Space does). I don't think this is unreasonable. Anyway, it's obvious now that I won't ever be able to play this game, and the only after I've spent HOURS looking on the internet about it. Verdict 1: R* f*cked me by withholding critical information (whatever chang-face has to say about it) Bull that they need to state it clearly, they do not. They state it clearly by simply not listing mobile hardware. They don't need to spend money on extra letters on the sticker for that, you should know that laptops are not for gaming. Again, you can run games on laptops, and some games, especially those that load levels at a time as opposed to a streaming engine such as this, will run fine. But a desktop PC with the exact same "specs" as your laptop will run any game you mention at higher settings and resolutions and benchmarks will eat your sh*t alive. it is because your hardware is designed more power preservation, not for performance. It is to perform on the go and have a lasting battery, it is never operating at what it is sold as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 You ask any developer and they will tell you the same thing "laptops are not supported". The specifications relate to DESKTOP hardware. A 8600m is not the same as a 8600gt, I believe there is quite a performance drop with the 8600m if memory serves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) Yea, you're right Charlie. For instance, Go7900gs = 7800gs or 7600gs(?), and round abouts, and time hasn't been kind in the comparisons. If this is true and we can estimate, I'd say he's running about an 8400, whcih would have no problem with tomb raider, but struggle with IV. Here is a man that I just read (I want to see more about mobile 8600): Any laptop with a gaming-quality video card is going to be huge, heavy, overheat a lot, and get sh*t battery life. Just an advance warning from someone who's owned one. Most expensive mistake I ever made. Edited January 12, 2009 by chngdman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvr2fst Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Wow Can ya feel it? Hell uggh....I think I can taste it. All this testosterone here. No wonder the human race has so many wars. You liar! Am not! Are to! aammm not! are to are to are to! Mine is better than yours (run above line again) Rockstar sucks (run line above again) Do you guys have a clue who you are arguing with? Does anybody win? Does any one care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Wow Can ya feel it? Hell uggh....I think I can taste it. All this testosterone here. No wonder the human race has so many wars. You liar! Am not! Are to! aammm not! are to are to are to! Mine is better than yours (run above line again) Rockstar sucks (run line above again) Do you guys have a clue who you are arguing with? Does anybody win? Does any one care? Just let it go, maybe Rockstar will change their mind if this thread has 1000 pages LoL. And yes none of the games will support or say a laptop can run a game, but I will also say a lot of games are working for laptops, regardless without the support. If this game worked fine then he would probably be ok. Sure there would be some lag, I don't deny that but it's the fact the game just isn't working. Honestly Rockstar Toronto, you told us you were recreating our systems and changing the code to apply to this. But your a damn idiot if you want us all to believe that pile of sh*t. You know how long it will take you to fix anything doing it that way? If I was charge you be fired on the spot. I don't need a idiot coder like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvr2fst Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Wow Can ya feel it? Hell uggh....I think I can taste it. All this testosterone here. No wonder the human race has so many wars. You liar! Am not! Are to! aammm not! are to are to are to! Mine is better than yours (run above line again) Rockstar sucks (run line above again) Do you guys have a clue who you are arguing with? Does anybody win? Does any one care? Just let it go, maybe Rockstar will change their mind if this thread has 1000 pages LoL. And yes none of the games will support or say a laptop can run a game, but I will also say a lot of games are working for laptops, regardless without the support. If this game worked fine then he would probably be ok. Sure there would be some lag, I don't deny that but it's the fact the game just isn't working. Honestly Rockstar Toronto, you told us you were recreating our systems and changing the code to apply to this. But your a damn idiot if you want us all to believe that pile of sh*t. You know how long it will take you to fix anything doing it that way? If I was charge you be fired on the spot. I don't need a idiot coder like that. Its not me that needs to let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
step_hen Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Granted, but why does EA have the decency to say so and R* doesn't? 10 more letters of printing doesn't cost much... Oh, and just for interest, how does a computer 'eat my sh*t alive'? An interesting anthropomorphism. Come to think of it though, I can imagine that your computer has the capacity to eat your cum after you've w*nked all over it. Does it lick your arse too? That would be impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvr2fst Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Granted, but why does EA have the decency to say so and R* doesn't? 10 more letters of printing doesn't cost much... Oh, and just for interest, how does a computer 'eat my sh*t alive'? An interesting anthropomorphism. Come to think of it though, I can imagine that your computer has the capacity to eat your cum after you've w*nked all over it. Does it lick your arse too? That would be impressive. eeeewwwwww! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
step_hen Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I just wanted to know if my computer would run it. It can't so I am leaving now, but really, did you need to be so arrogant? Weird communicative style. My guess is you're about 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) Granted, but why does EA have the decency to say so and R* doesn't? 10 more letters of printing doesn't cost much... Oh, and just for interest, how does a computer 'eat my sh*t alive'? An interesting anthropomorphism. Come to think of it though, I can imagine that your computer has the capacity to eat your cum after you've w*nked all over it. Does it lick your arse too? That would be impressive. wow, one good mark in EAs book? On one title that they felt the need to tell users about? Ok, I'll give EA one point, they suck so bad it doesn't even matter. This one good deed does not forgive their sins, though. You have a very disgusting imagination. A computer is a living thing. It needs to breathe. It must have energy. This is philosophical of course, and certainly I am only saying it to make my eat your sh*t alive sentence make sense, so let's have fun with it. lol. Yes, a desktop PC will destroy your laptop and the desktop could have handicaps and still do it - they are designed for performance over power. The opposite is true for laptops. The fundamentals of your hardware are different, it is like trying to pedal a car. @nvr2fst: He means let it keep going so that it gets long and rockstar toronto stops being lazy @step_hen again: Dude, anyone who reads back in the topic will see you said some smart ass fuzz over my way before I even knew you existed. It's not my communicative style, it's my sarcasm. You are a GTA fan, you should be expecting it. I'm 25. 168 IQ. No need to gloat it, but you sorta just called me juvenile, didn't you? And I'm not the one spouting off about cumshots and computers that eat it. Weirdo. Edited January 12, 2009 by chngdman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvr2fst Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Granted, but why does EA have the decency to say so and R* doesn't? 10 more letters of printing doesn't cost much... Oh, and just for interest, how does a computer 'eat my sh*t alive'? An interesting anthropomorphism. Come to think of it though, I can imagine that your computer has the capacity to eat your cum after you've w*nked all over it. Does it lick your arse too? That would be impressive. wow, one good mark in EAs book? On one title that they felt the need to tell users about? Ok, I'll give EA one point, they suck so bad it doesn't even matter. This one good deed does not forgive their sins, though. You have a very disgusting imagination. A computer is a living thing. It needs to breathe. It must have energy. This is philosophical of course, and certainly I am only saying it to make my eat your sh*t alive sentence make sense, so let's have fun with it. lol. Yes, a desktop PC will destroy your laptop and the desktop could have handicaps and still do it - they are designed for performance over power. The opposite is true for laptops. The fundamentals of your hardware are different, it is like trying to pedal a car. @nvr2fst: He means let it keep going so that it gets long and rockstar toronto stops being lazy @step_hen again: Dude, anyone who reads back in the topic will see you said some smart ass fuzz over my way before I even knew you existed. It's not my communicative style, it's my sarcasm. You are a GTA fan, you should be expecting it. I'm 25. 168 IQ. No need to gloat it, but you sorta just called me juvenile, didn't you? And I'm not the one spouting off about cumshots and computers that eat it. Weirdo. Understood...I said it with a smile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noVa Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 if your system RAM is not available for textures to load in you will have missing textures. This game is constantly streaming textures in, it doesn't load a "level" like the other games you mention. well how come if there's not a level of detail, a LOD type layer comes up when i turn the camera, LOD might not be the right phrase but theres a layer that appears above the texture layer that cuts off niko's bottom half of his legs? and that sounds like a LOD to me? how come i see buildings with a basic texture that then put the high res texture in after? and if 4gb of ram isn't enough then i have no idea what is. will be e-mailing them about this and if i get the same reply i shall apply for one of the jobs at rockstar that's going and bust some canadian butt cheeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 if your system RAM is not available for textures to load in you will have missing textures. This game is constantly streaming textures in, it doesn't load a "level" like the other games you mention. well how come if there's not a level of detail, a LOD type layer comes up when i turn the camera, LOD might not be the right phrase but theres a layer that appears above the texture layer that cuts off niko's bottom half of his legs? and that sounds like a LOD to me? how come i see buildings with a basic texture that then put the high res texture in after? and if 4gb of ram isn't enough then i have no idea what is. will be e-mailing them about this and if i get the same reply i shall apply for one of the jobs at rockstar that's going and bust some canadian butt cheeks. no, let me explain what he meant when he said that. A level, or a map, is different in most other games. You see, we are not discussing LOD/Level Of Detail here, this is about the actual entire game world itself. GTA games draw a certain radius around the player that moves with the player and renders high quality objects. Every step you take, textures (and models) are coming and going at all times, where in other games like tomb raider or half life 2, the map is all loaded at once. Once it's loaded, if it runs, you're in business. The same can be said about GTA, but because of the constantly inward and outward streaming nature of the game, you require a lot more work. Let me put it like this, while GTA loads a bunch of sh*t in the beginning, it is essentially in a constant state of loading and unloading at all times. Now, this is normal for all games, but not all games do this with the Map. They usually do it with dead bad guys or spent bullet shells - not with the map. Map objects treated like this in other games are detail objects. Like, if it isn't a flat or displaced wall, it is a model. In GTA, everything is detail objects. In HL2, you can see models switch LOD, but you never ever see the map geometry do this - only mipmaps. The map geometry is made up of models in GTA, and so many of them (more assets in GTA than entire Orange Box + CS:S collection combined) at once cannot be loaded at the same time, things need to constantly be swapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 if your system RAM is not available for textures to load in you will have missing textures. This game is constantly streaming textures in, it doesn't load a "level" like the other games you mention. well how come if there's not a level of detail, a LOD type layer comes up when i turn the camera, LOD might not be the right phrase but theres a layer that appears above the texture layer that cuts off niko's bottom half of his legs? and that sounds like a LOD to me? how come i see buildings with a basic texture that then put the high res texture in after? and if 4gb of ram isn't enough then i have no idea what is. will be e-mailing them about this and if i get the same reply i shall apply for one of the jobs at rockstar that's going and bust some canadian butt cheeks. Honestly, Toronto has no idea what to do, that's what is going on. He's just trying to calm us all down. If he knew the game it would be a fixing in the working. He doesn't know, he just has to pile out some sh*t. And the idiots that listen just carry on, so he doesn't have to do anything. But for me, I don't fall for that piece of sh*t. Just as I knew when the first patch would come out, it would do little or nothing for everyone that has problems. And if it was really a small portion of people having problems, Rockstar wouldn't have said right away, Patch Coming, along with driver updates. How many games are forced to need driver updates? And I don't mean one line of code, I mean they have to put crap in their drivers to make a game work. This game could of been created without new video drivers for everyone. Just Rockstar didn't know how too, and a lot of other developed games have. So again, I believe they have no idea how to fix anything at this point. Just give out temporary fixes and let it go. Let us forget how you f*cked us, might happen, or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 if your system RAM is not available for textures to load in you will have missing textures. This game is constantly streaming textures in, it doesn't load a "level" like the other games you mention. well how come if there's not a level of detail, a LOD type layer comes up when i turn the camera, LOD might not be the right phrase but theres a layer that appears above the texture layer that cuts off niko's bottom half of his legs? and that sounds like a LOD to me? how come i see buildings with a basic texture that then put the high res texture in after? and if 4gb of ram isn't enough then i have no idea what is. will be e-mailing them about this and if i get the same reply i shall apply for one of the jobs at rockstar that's going and bust some canadian butt cheeks. Honestly, Toronto has no idea what to do, that's what is going on. He's just trying to calm us all down. If he knew the game it would be a fixing in the working. He doesn't know, he just has to pile out some sh*t. And the idiots that listen just carry on, so he doesn't have to do anything. But for me, I don't fall for that piece of sh*t. Just as I knew when the first patch would come out, it would do little or nothing for everyone that has problems. And if it was really a small portion of people having problems, Rockstar wouldn't have said right away, Patch Coming, along with driver updates. How many games are forced to need driver updates? And I don't mean one line of code, I mean they have to put crap in their drivers to make a game work. This game could of been created without new video drivers for everyone. Just Rockstar didn't know how too, and a lot of other developed games have. So again, I believe they have no idea how to fix anything at this point. Just give out temporary fixes and let it go. Let us forget how you f*cked us, might happen, or not. I just want you to back up or prove any of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 if your system RAM is not available for textures to load in you will have missing textures. This game is constantly streaming textures in, it doesn't load a "level" like the other games you mention. well how come if there's not a level of detail, a LOD type layer comes up when i turn the camera, LOD might not be the right phrase but theres a layer that appears above the texture layer that cuts off niko's bottom half of his legs? and that sounds like a LOD to me? how come i see buildings with a basic texture that then put the high res texture in after? and if 4gb of ram isn't enough then i have no idea what is. will be e-mailing them about this and if i get the same reply i shall apply for one of the jobs at rockstar that's going and bust some canadian butt cheeks. no, let me explain what he meant when he said that. A level, or a map, is different in most other games. You see, we are not discussing LOD/Level Of Detail here, this is about the actual entire game world itself. GTA games draw a certain radius around the player that moves with the player and renders high quality objects. Every step you take, textures (and models) are coming and going at all times, where in other games like tomb raider or half life 2, the map is all loaded at once. Once it's loaded, if it runs, you're in business. The same can be said about GTA, but because of the constantly inward and outward streaming nature of the game, you require a lot more work. Let me put it like this, while GTA loads a bunch of sh*t in the beginning, it is essentially in a constant state of loading and unloading at all times. Now, this is normal for all games, but not all games do this with the Map. They usually do it with dead bad guys or spent bullet shells - not with the map. Map objects treated like this in other games are detail objects. Like, if it isn't a flat or displaced wall, it is a model. In GTA, everything is detail objects. In HL2, you can see models switch LOD, but you never ever see the map geometry do this - only mipmaps. The map geometry is made up of models in GTA, and so many of them (more assets in GTA than entire Orange Box + CS:S collection combined) at once cannot be loaded at the same time, things need to constantly be swapped. Well then prove this, because your not a programmer, LOL! I can say things left and right too without programming any of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lastsource Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Another thing that makes me feel f*cked, is the fact the the game will run out of the box only on future hardware/systems. We can argue for pages wether the game can be tweaked to run "good" or not. But the fact that you need to start tweaking in commandline.txt files and get the newest beta drivers for your graphics card just makes it clear: The game is f*cked up, technically. The story and gameplay is great, once it does not get distrurbed by the bugs and weakness of the implementation. But while you might hope today that it will be perfect on future hardware, it is already clear if there is not going to be a big patch, than the game will remain partially ugly, even in the future. The no AA, all the dithering, and pixelized shadows won't disapear with better hardware. They will stay. Beside I have fears that in 5-10 years it could be difficult to get all that secuROM, GFWL, RSSC and the like to run on systems then. The game is playable, but there is no love put into the making of the game. It just runs (if you are lucky). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 if your system RAM is not available for textures to load in you will have missing textures. This game is constantly streaming textures in, it doesn't load a "level" like the other games you mention. well how come if there's not a level of detail, a LOD type layer comes up when i turn the camera, LOD might not be the right phrase but theres a layer that appears above the texture layer that cuts off niko's bottom half of his legs? and that sounds like a LOD to me? how come i see buildings with a basic texture that then put the high res texture in after? and if 4gb of ram isn't enough then i have no idea what is. will be e-mailing them about this and if i get the same reply i shall apply for one of the jobs at rockstar that's going and bust some canadian butt cheeks. Honestly, Toronto has no idea what to do, that's what is going on. He's just trying to calm us all down. If he knew the game it would be a fixing in the working. He doesn't know, he just has to pile out some sh*t. And the idiots that listen just carry on, so he doesn't have to do anything. But for me, I don't fall for that piece of sh*t. Just as I knew when the first patch would come out, it would do little or nothing for everyone that has problems. And if it was really a small portion of people having problems, Rockstar wouldn't have said right away, Patch Coming, along with driver updates. How many games are forced to need driver updates? And I don't mean one line of code, I mean they have to put crap in their drivers to make a game work. This game could of been created without new video drivers for everyone. Just Rockstar didn't know how too, and a lot of other developed games have. So again, I believe they have no idea how to fix anything at this point. Just give out temporary fixes and let it go. Let us forget how you f*cked us, might happen, or not. I just want you to back up or prove any of this. Man the proof is read the threads, look at Rockstar Toronto's comments, and read dec log from gta4.net. You want me to quote everything? Back it all up? Your CRAZY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
How-To-Improve-GTA-IV Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Rockstar knew long before they released this that the minimum and recommended requirements weren't enough to play the game properly. So do you think we were deliberately misled by Rockstar.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Another thing that makes me feel f*cked, is the fact the the game will run out of the box only on future hardware/systems. We can argue for pages wether the game can be tweaked to run "good" or not. But the fact that you need to start tweaking in commandline.txt files and get the newest beta drivers for your graphics card just makes it clear: The game is f*cked up, technically. The story and gameplay is great, once it does not get distrurbed by the bugs and weakness of the implementation. But while you might hope today that it will be perfect on future hardware, it is already clear if there is not going to be a big patch, than the game will remain partially ugly, even in the future. The no AA, all the dithering, and pixelized shadows won't disapear with better hardware. They will stay. Beside I have fears that in 5-10 years it could be difficult to get all that secuROM, GFWL, RSSC and the like to run on systems then. The game is playable, but there is no love put into the making of the game. It just runs (if you are lucky). No tweaking. Stock speeds. Game runs fine for me out of the box. We all know I am on minimum specs. Z, it is common knowledge that that is the way the GTA engine works in comparison to other games. If you don't believe me, don't, I really don't care. Go spend some time with games and development on this series, and maybe you'll agree. Again, I don't care. As far as I'm concerned, since my minimum spec PC runs the game fine, you're all paid by EA and only here to detract the game. lol jk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noVa Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 if your system RAM is not available for textures to load in you will have missing textures. This game is constantly streaming textures in, it doesn't load a "level" like the other games you mention. well how come if there's not a level of detail, a LOD type layer comes up when i turn the camera, LOD might not be the right phrase but theres a layer that appears above the texture layer that cuts off niko's bottom half of his legs? and that sounds like a LOD to me? how come i see buildings with a basic texture that then put the high res texture in after? and if 4gb of ram isn't enough then i have no idea what is. will be e-mailing them about this and if i get the same reply i shall apply for one of the jobs at rockstar that's going and bust some canadian butt cheeks. no, let me explain what he meant when he said that. A level, or a map, is different in most other games. You see, we are not discussing LOD/Level Of Detail here, this is about the actual entire game world itself. GTA games draw a certain radius around the player that moves with the player and renders high quality objects. Every step you take, textures (and models) are coming and going at all times, where in other games like tomb raider or half life 2, the map is all loaded at once. Once it's loaded, if it runs, you're in business. The same can be said about GTA, but because of the constantly inward and outward streaming nature of the game, you require a lot more work. Let me put it like this, while GTA loads a bunch of sh*t in the beginning, it is essentially in a constant state of loading and unloading at all times. Now, this is normal for all games, but not all games do this with the Map. They usually do it with dead bad guys or spent bullet shells - not with the map. Map objects treated like this in other games are detail objects. Like, if it isn't a flat or displaced wall, it is a model. In GTA, everything is detail objects. In HL2, you can see models switch LOD, but you never ever see the map geometry do this - only mipmaps. The map geometry is made up of models in GTA, and so many of them (more assets in GTA than entire Orange Box + CS:S collection combined) at once cannot be loaded at the same time, things need to constantly be swapped. k got the wrong end of the stick, i really don't know what that LOD (or even if it is a LOD it's just the closest thing to it i can name) thing is showing up everywhere all the time after about 15 minutes now, on hills which have a non flat surface it will appear out the bits with dips as if its the base geometry for the hill with the curves built ontop and its showing the base when its not supposed to be seen. strange and i hope its one of the things that they can fix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 C, I was playing with ya. It is common knowledge to know how it should work. However if we got a chance to look at their code and examine, I'll bet ya there is a lot of code that needs revising. Ok, so it's time for me to pull out the BIG GUNS, and I will. For anyone that believes this game runs fine try and stop this, it won't be easy. Remember, we don't like to compare the computer vs console, but I know a lot of you will agree the xbox 360 is outdated, am I right? Well so the new computers have better specs, even if we spend 5 grand on a computer and this game still doesn't work.... ok? That sounds like me, but hey here it is! Xbox 360 plays GTA 4 from a DVD, yes folks a DVD. Now any geniuses in here will say right away. How so? If the engine is so power hungry, what the f*ck is wrong here? Well we all should know running a game from the DVD and retriving constant files from it will be disasterious. But, Rockstar did it, now without it playing off a DVD, they didn't. WTF is wrong here? Am I the only one to see this? Please examine, anyone that thinks they are smart enough to answer. For team, Rockstar f*cked Us. I think we won! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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