ZaCkOX Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Sorry for my long post ill try to make things more R E A D A B L E for you. Well i dont think anyone is calling anyone a liar....I imagine there are thousands of possible PC builds for ppl to build and for every single one to work 100% is just idiotic. More than likely when R* was porting this game from the consoles to the pc they probably only had a few PC builds to choose. So yes everyone is Right. R* should have taken more time to optimize the game but they cant always push the dates further and further. (Indent) The reason they cant is because they themselves as a company has a deadline from Take2 ( i believe) to release the game. Yes they released a game that has more bugs then fingers and toes on my body right before Christmas, to me and many others feel as if they rushed the game to release it before christmas for the holiday sales. (INDENT) I bet they had to release it because they needed more money so they can spend more time optimizing the game and making it worth our wild. Having 50+ Ppl working on a game day in and day out is expensive operation. So Seriously these threads are useless....Ur not going to make anything better by complaining how badly the game runs on your Min Spec Machine. I know alot of you are saying BUT GoreMaster your a Fag and your wrong Cuz i have a High End Computer and its TOTALLY Better than yours and its Plays Like a Slide Show. All i can say is this YOUR DOING SOMETHING WRONG! Everything in a computer needs to be able to work fluently with each other....CPU cant be P4 and have a GPU be 4870x2 and expect it to work Flawlessly because ur wrong Your going to Cause Bottlenecking with the CPU being over used and your GPU being underused. See what im saying? NO? Then i dont know what to say but to tell you to wait when there are more patches and Tweaks to be used with this game.... For all of you to say that this Game is sh*tty and its a horrible port. STOP PLAYING THE GAME! for now because not even once have i ever seen game with the version saying 1.0 play flawlessly with no bugs what so ever. Look at WoW for example (for dear god yes i know its not GTA 4 but its not the point) at first that game Had tons and tons of bugs but if you look now they are on version 3 something and have had over 20 patches and the game still suffers from bugs. You cant stop a game from having bugs, the reason is the game itself can get confused and start producing bugs and cause CTD. Since there are 100's of different kinds of PC builds out there, There is no way in hell R* would be able to fix every single bug at the day of release. Its going to take time for this game to be Flawless.....W8 till there is a V2 of this game and itll run as smooth as butter and you will realize that all that time you spent on the Forums complaining over and over again about how ur Mothers PC doesnt run GTA like your Dads 360 does will be wasted. SO chill the f*ck out and play the game. Enjoy the game at its buggy stage while it lasts cuz ur not going to be able to remember them in the next year. Thank you, but there is a problem with your comparison. Wow, needs those updates they get money monthly. Rockstar doesn't get money monthly, and likely they will do nothing from this point. Unless they want respect back. Lots of video games do not update their game with the necessary after they out on the market. Comparing with a game that gets money monthly doesn't seem right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) Let me in the Perfectly Fine team too. -------------------- Core Extreme Qx9650 @ 4 Ghz + Zalman 9700 LED 4 Gb Patriot DDR 3 1333 MHz + Akasa AK-171 GTX 280 --- Intel Extreme DX38BT --- Zalman 850W Razer Barracuda AC-1 + HP-1 Vista Ultimate 32 bits --- Forceware 180.84 HIGH - HIGHEST - 100 - 100 - 100 - 16 --> 1680 X 1050 Optimize your PC and run GTA 4 better --> Tweak Guide What is with this? Perfectly fine shouldn't count as tweaking your system or using commandlines. LoL. It's not perfectly fine then! I'll call it... Team - Doesn't Have Problems If it was perfectly fine, you wouldn't have to change your system to work the game. And there are a lot of games that work without tweaking or commandlines. Edited January 12, 2009 by ZaCkOX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Feels like I'm playing a beta with the bugs and bad porting, as if they rushed the game without testing it properly. I hope they'll fix it for the sake of their company so that they might be able to give us something better for the next time. GTA IV isn't at all comparable to vice city or SA when it comes to storyline and missions, which makes me sad. There's too much "Kill that foo'" "Smoke that cracker" "Silence this guy" etc. Well, that's what GTA III was like, claude was a mysterious killer. Niko too, but he talks I'm sure when we play as someone who is good at something other than killing (niko says it's all he's good at - easter egg/self bashing Rockstar? LOL) we'll do other things. Plus, by then, there will be other things, as this generations first game is just the basis, just like GTA III was just a basis. All these games are only basis for San Andreas, each time... Liberty introduces allll the generics (notice even the radar went "back in time", gotta be able to add flavor in the next game!) that you find in the whole world, Vice City brings tropical stuff, like palms, which SA needs... And SA needs other stuff, like cactus plants... These will be easy to make when all palms, evergreens, most types of traffic light, all of that will mostly be done. I am very very pleased with the first steps toward the next San Andreas, whether it takes place at that location (by name) or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoreMaster Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) I dont believe there should be sides.... But if you want to choose sides the sides should look like this Haters Fans Cuz if your a real gta fan then these so called bugs shouldnt bother you to much. For the others all i can say is ur not a fan because ur complaining about a game that offers more than you can possibly imagine. Just the basic things, Traffic, Traffic paths, Traffic Lights, Traffic Stops, Traffic Goes, Accidents, Police Arresting, Police Chasing, Peds walking, Peds talking, Peds Eating, Peds Running, Peds Screaming , Peds Dying, Peds Falling, Euphoria, Trash, Rocks, Leaves, Grass, Water, Waves, Shadows, Reflections, Mirrors, Smoke, Fire, Guns, Sounds, GRAVITY and more can be seen and heard all at once during one minute in the game....Again these are the Little Basic Things that happen in the game..... If your almighty and powerful like God himself than make a game that has all this and more. I just dont get the group of haters for hating a game that does all this and more. To expect it to run 100% sh*t I wouldnt imagine building a game like this......Games are nothing but a bunch of 1 and 0's in certain order to perform an outcome of a whole city is just unimaginable to me. We as Humans have gone so far in the Past 11 Years of GTA..... All fans go to Youtube and search 11 years of GTA its worth the watch...Made me realize how much more this game has involved from being just an Idea to a top down Killer Game to a Fully Liveable 3d World. EDIT to comment on Zack What makes you think R* doesnt get money monthly? ppl more than likely everyday are still going out buying this game. So technically they get paid every month just like Blizz does with WoW....Plus i was comparing to how far a game can go with XX amount of patches added to it and how much performance wise the game runs. sh*t i know still to this day ppl still buy ole school R* games for some reason i realized i have 3 copies of GTA SA PS2 Xbox and PC version that right there proves no matter what these games will be purchased.....tomorrow or 10 yrs from now. Edited January 12, 2009 by GoreMaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) Nah, not code. Only that 533mhz ram is useless if you have an 800mhz FSB slowing it down to 400mhz, or that a 1066mhz FSB is overkill for if you have ram under 533mhz, stuff like that... What is bottleneck code? Is it something that's caused when porting or something? I appreciate you hearing me out, I'm not trying to pour gas on the fire, I just want to help, and if it's a hardware frequency thing, it can really only be solved by hardware upgrades No, I'll try to make it easier for everyone that doesn't know. Bottleneck - Imagine a funnel on top of a cup. Your objective is to pour as much water as you can into this cup. But there is a funnel and when you pour, you notice only a little bit of water can go into the cup at a time. However if you remove the funnel, and pour water, well then it's in instantly. Bottleneck code is just this. Your making your processor undergo a lot of commands, and because of poor codding your game can be super slow. However if you look at the code that is causing this problem, you can remove lines, sections, and even write a better method for running through commands. When you now run your game it runs super smooth and super fast. I find it's the program more often than it is the hardware. Good examples: Windows 98 - Windows XP Windows XP - Vista Windows XP, Vista - Windows 7 (much faster) No new hardware required. Oh, no man, that's just called bottlecking, I know what it is, and it's exactly what I said. Someone has a slow component. I'm with you, when you called it "bottleneck code" I thought you meant code that bottlenecks in software, not just plain hardware bottlenecking. Korm: Please know you are making no sense by stating that I don't know what I'm talking about. AA is a thing of the past: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058871190 Edited January 12, 2009 by chngdman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MontyDKogege Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Well, really the thing I don´t understand is the lack of info. In my firm which produces papers and magazines - if we´ve got something important, good or bad - we INFORM all persons/relations involved. Why on earth don´t R* do this? - I hav´nt played the game since before christmas cause I don´t wanna ruin the experience because of the 12-15fps I´m getting. I´m pretty sure a decent patch or two will show up helping us all but why not inform us all - that would be very positive and help the waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) I dont believe there should be sides.... But if you want to choose sides the sides should look like this Haters Fans Cuz if your a real gta fan then these so called bugs shouldnt bother you to much. For the others all i can say is ur not a fan because ur complaining about a game that offers more than you can possibly imagine. Just the basic things, Traffic, Traffic paths, Traffic Lights, Traffic Stops, Traffic Goes, Accidents, Police Arresting, Police Chasing, Peds walking, Peds talking, Peds Eating, Peds Running, Peds Screaming , Peds Dying, Peds Falling, Euphoria, Trash, Rocks, Leaves, Grass, Water, Waves, Shadows, Reflections, Mirrors, Smoke, Fire, Guns, Sounds, GRAVITY and more can be seen and heard all at once during one minute in the game....Again these are the Little Basic Things that happen in the game..... If your almighty and powerful like God himself than make a game that has all this and more. I just dont get the group of haters for hating a game that does all this and more. To expect it to run 100% sh*t I wouldnt imagine building a game like this......Games are nothing but a bunch of 1 and 0's in certain order to perform an outcome of a whole city is just unimaginable to me. We as Humans have gone so far in the Past 11 Years of GTA..... All fans go to Youtube and search 11 years of GTA its worth the watch...Made me realize how much more this game has involved from being just an Idea to a top down Killer Game to a Fully Liveable 3d World. EDIT to comment on Zack What makes you think R* doesnt get money monthly? ppl more than likely everyday are still going out buying this game. So technically they get paid every month just like Blizz does with WoW....Plus i was comparing to how far a game can go with XX amount of patches added to it and how much performance wise the game runs. sh*t i know still to this day ppl still buy ole school R* games for some reason i realized i have 3 copies of GTA SA PS2 Xbox and PC version that right there proves no matter what these games will be purchased.....tomorrow or 10 yrs from now. me and you, we need to be live buddies for multiplayer lol. This is a good, entertaining post, and again I find myself agreeing with you! Well, really the thing I don´t understand is the lack of info. In my firm which produces papers and magazines - if we´ve got something important, good or bad - we INFORM all persons/relations involved. Why on earth don´t R* do this? Because that's Not what is happening.... -> http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058871116 I think, though, they can be better with how it is being handled... if anything though, we must all come together and FIND the issue, because it is on our end, whether rockstar is washing hands or not, end of the day, it's up to us to fix, my benchmark and specs do not lie... Clip Capture Enabled in all Benchmarks, BTW... Edited January 12, 2009 by chngdman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Nah, not code. Only that 533mhz ram is useless if you have an 800mhz FSB slowing it down to 400mhz, or that a 1066mhz FSB is overkill for if you have ram under 533mhz, stuff like that... What is bottleneck code? Is it something that's caused when porting or something? I appreciate you hearing me out, I'm not trying to pour gas on the fire, I just want to help, and if it's a hardware frequency thing, it can really only be solved by hardware upgrades No, I'll try to make it easier for everyone that doesn't know. Bottleneck - Imagine a funnel on top of a cup. Your objective is to pour as much water as you can into this cup. But there is a funnel and when you pour, you notice only a little bit of water can go into the cup at a time. However if you remove the funnel, and pour water, well then it's in instantly. Bottleneck code is just this. Your making your processor undergo a lot of commands, and because of poor codding your game can be super slow. However if you look at the code that is causing this problem, you can remove lines, sections, and even write a better method for running through commands. When you now run your game it runs super smooth and super fast. I find it's the program more often than it is the hardware. Good examples: Windows 98 - Windows XP Windows XP - Vista Windows XP, Vista - Windows 7 (much faster) No new hardware required. Oh, no man, that's just called bottlecking, I know what it is, and it's exactly what I said. Someone has a slow component. I'm with you, when you called it "bottleneck code" I thought you meant code that bottlenecks in software, not just plain hardware bottlenecking. Korm: Please know you are making no sense by stating that I don't know what I'm talking about. AA is a thing of the past: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058871190 If you really want to talk about speed... let's compare. PC - Xbox 360 They say these are the specs for the xbox 360. Processor = Quad Vs "Triple" Ram = 4 GB vs 512 mb Storage = 500 GB vs 0-20-120, but does it matter? No not really since the game runs on a DVD Video = 4 GB vs imbedded video When I play the game on the xbox 360, it is pretty smooth and not very shudder vs the computer. Now where do we compare? Here you go: Xbox 360 Specs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I dont believe there should be sides.... But if you want to choose sides the sides should look like this Haters Fans Cuz if your a real gta fan then these so called bugs shouldnt bother you to much. For the others all i can say is ur not a fan because ur complaining about a game that offers more than you can possibly imagine. Just the basic things, Traffic, Traffic paths, Traffic Lights, Traffic Stops, Traffic Goes, Accidents, Police Arresting, Police Chasing, Peds walking, Peds talking, Peds Eating, Peds Running, Peds Screaming , Peds Dying, Peds Falling, Euphoria, Trash, Rocks, Leaves, Grass, Water, Waves, Shadows, Reflections, Mirrors, Smoke, Fire, Guns, Sounds, GRAVITY and more can be seen and heard all at once during one minute in the game....Again these are the Little Basic Things that happen in the game..... If your almighty and powerful like God himself than make a game that has all this and more. I just dont get the group of haters for hating a game that does all this and more. To expect it to run 100% sh*t I wouldnt imagine building a game like this......Games are nothing but a bunch of 1 and 0's in certain order to perform an outcome of a whole city is just unimaginable to me. We as Humans have gone so far in the Past 11 Years of GTA..... All fans go to Youtube and search 11 years of GTA its worth the watch...Made me realize how much more this game has involved from being just an Idea to a top down Killer Game to a Fully Liveable 3d World. EDIT to comment on Zack What makes you think R* doesnt get money monthly? ppl more than likely everyday are still going out buying this game. So technically they get paid every month just like Blizz does with WoW....Plus i was comparing to how far a game can go with XX amount of patches added to it and how much performance wise the game runs. sh*t i know still to this day ppl still buy ole school R* games for some reason i realized i have 3 copies of GTA SA PS2 Xbox and PC version that right there proves no matter what these games will be purchased.....tomorrow or 10 yrs from now. Sure Rockstar gets SOME money monthly. But it doesn't compare to WOW at all. They have real income, look at GTA 4 sales, they have really dropped! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Nah, not code. Only that 533mhz ram is useless if you have an 800mhz FSB slowing it down to 400mhz, or that a 1066mhz FSB is overkill for if you have ram under 533mhz, stuff like that... What is bottleneck code? Is it something that's caused when porting or something? I appreciate you hearing me out, I'm not trying to pour gas on the fire, I just want to help, and if it's a hardware frequency thing, it can really only be solved by hardware upgrades No, I'll try to make it easier for everyone that doesn't know. Bottleneck - Imagine a funnel on top of a cup. Your objective is to pour as much water as you can into this cup. But there is a funnel and when you pour, you notice only a little bit of water can go into the cup at a time. However if you remove the funnel, and pour water, well then it's in instantly. Bottleneck code is just this. Your making your processor undergo a lot of commands, and because of poor codding your game can be super slow. However if you look at the code that is causing this problem, you can remove lines, sections, and even write a better method for running through commands. When you now run your game it runs super smooth and super fast. I find it's the program more often than it is the hardware. Good examples: Windows 98 - Windows XP Windows XP - Vista Windows XP, Vista - Windows 7 (much faster) No new hardware required. Oh, no man, that's just called bottlecking, I know what it is, and it's exactly what I said. Someone has a slow component. I'm with you, when you called it "bottleneck code" I thought you meant code that bottlenecks in software, not just plain hardware bottlenecking. Korm: Please know you are making no sense by stating that I don't know what I'm talking about. AA is a thing of the past: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058871190 If you really want to talk about speed... let's compare. PC - Xbox 360 They say these are the specs for the xbox 360. Processor = Quad Vs "Triple" Ram = 4 GB vs 512 mb Storage = 500 GB vs 0-20-120, but does it matter? No not really since the game runs on a DVD Video = 4 GB vs imbedded video When I play the game on the xbox 360, it is pretty smooth and not very shudder vs the computer. Now where do we compare? Here you go: Xbox 360 Specs Number one, the xbox does not have integrated video. It is a full solution, no matter how it was glued in Secondly, three cores is really 2 cores, since one is not for games. And this game is only going to use 2 cores anyway, am I right?? We've gotta start figuring this out, I know we can if we can stop bickering and start, maybe, like, fully comparing specs, and PLEASE read this and understand: NONE of those xbox stats say sh*t because they DO NOT STATE THE FREQUENCY OF THE COMPONENTS. 400mhz ram? or betteR? Whats the FSB on the xbox? 800mhz? 1066? higher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I dont believe there should be sides.... But if you want to choose sides the sides should look like this Haters Fans Cuz if your a real gta fan then these so called bugs shouldnt bother you to much. For the others all i can say is ur not a fan because ur complaining about a game that offers more than you can possibly imagine. Just the basic things, Traffic, Traffic paths, Traffic Lights, Traffic Stops, Traffic Goes, Accidents, Police Arresting, Police Chasing, Peds walking, Peds talking, Peds Eating, Peds Running, Peds Screaming , Peds Dying, Peds Falling, Euphoria, Trash, Rocks, Leaves, Grass, Water, Waves, Shadows, Reflections, Mirrors, Smoke, Fire, Guns, Sounds, GRAVITY and more can be seen and heard all at once during one minute in the game....Again these are the Little Basic Things that happen in the game..... If your almighty and powerful like God himself than make a game that has all this and more. I just dont get the group of haters for hating a game that does all this and more. To expect it to run 100% sh*t I wouldnt imagine building a game like this......Games are nothing but a bunch of 1 and 0's in certain order to perform an outcome of a whole city is just unimaginable to me. We as Humans have gone so far in the Past 11 Years of GTA..... All fans go to Youtube and search 11 years of GTA its worth the watch...Made me realize how much more this game has involved from being just an Idea to a top down Killer Game to a Fully Liveable 3d World. EDIT to comment on Zack What makes you think R* doesnt get money monthly? ppl more than likely everyday are still going out buying this game. So technically they get paid every month just like Blizz does with WoW....Plus i was comparing to how far a game can go with XX amount of patches added to it and how much performance wise the game runs. sh*t i know still to this day ppl still buy ole school R* games for some reason i realized i have 3 copies of GTA SA PS2 Xbox and PC version that right there proves no matter what these games will be purchased.....tomorrow or 10 yrs from now. me and you, we need to be live buddies for multiplayer lol. This is a good, entertaining post, and again I find myself agreeing with you! Well, really the thing I don´t understand is the lack of info. In my firm which produces papers and magazines - if we´ve got something important, good or bad - we INFORM all persons/relations involved. Why on earth don´t R* do this? Because that's Not what is happening.... -> http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058871116 I think, though, they can be better with how it is being handled... if anything though, we must all come together and FIND the issue, because it is on our end, whether rockstar is washing hands or not, end of the day, it's up to us to fix, my benchmark and specs do not lie... Clip Capture Enabled in all Benchmarks, BTW... Ah, I have 18+ years of experience. I can take your picture edit it, make it look real/bogus, and any videos. Hmmm. Should I? For the sake of our team!? Should I?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoreMaster Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Well Zack again you cant compare a game between a console and a computer. Cuz the computer will always be on top. IF not then your computer needs to be burried cuz its time to RIP. Also consoles are bound down to one setting in a game. There is no View distance Detail Distance on the Xbox the game sets the settings for the xbox automatically. For us as PC gamers to be able to modify and tweak the game visually is a huge step ahead of the consoles. For me i played 100+ hours of GTA 4 on the 360 then to transfer myself from the console to the PC I wish i could take the 100+ hours i spent on the 360 to play it on my PC. Because the PC is just Sex compared to Handjob that the 360 gives.... Yes i know the difference i get both everyday well sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Nah, not code. Only that 533mhz ram is useless if you have an 800mhz FSB slowing it down to 400mhz, or that a 1066mhz FSB is overkill for if you have ram under 533mhz, stuff like that... What is bottleneck code? Is it something that's caused when porting or something? I appreciate you hearing me out, I'm not trying to pour gas on the fire, I just want to help, and if it's a hardware frequency thing, it can really only be solved by hardware upgrades No, I'll try to make it easier for everyone that doesn't know. Bottleneck - Imagine a funnel on top of a cup. Your objective is to pour as much water as you can into this cup. But there is a funnel and when you pour, you notice only a little bit of water can go into the cup at a time. However if you remove the funnel, and pour water, well then it's in instantly. Bottleneck code is just this. Your making your processor undergo a lot of commands, and because of poor codding your game can be super slow. However if you look at the code that is causing this problem, you can remove lines, sections, and even write a better method for running through commands. When you now run your game it runs super smooth and super fast. I find it's the program more often than it is the hardware. Good examples: Windows 98 - Windows XP Windows XP - Vista Windows XP, Vista - Windows 7 (much faster) No new hardware required. Oh, no man, that's just called bottlecking, I know what it is, and it's exactly what I said. Someone has a slow component. I'm with you, when you called it "bottleneck code" I thought you meant code that bottlenecks in software, not just plain hardware bottlenecking. Korm: Please know you are making no sense by stating that I don't know what I'm talking about. AA is a thing of the past: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058871190 If you really want to talk about speed... let's compare. PC - Xbox 360 They say these are the specs for the xbox 360. Processor = Quad Vs "Triple" Ram = 4 GB vs 512 mb Storage = 500 GB vs 0-20-120, but does it matter? No not really since the game runs on a DVD Video = 4 GB vs imbedded video When I play the game on the xbox 360, it is pretty smooth and not very shudder vs the computer. Now where do we compare? Here you go: Xbox 360 Specs Number one, the xbox does not have integrated video. It is a full solution, no matter how it was glued in Secondly, three cores is really 2 cores, since one is not for games. And this game is only going to use 2 cores anyway, am I right?? We've gotta start figuring this out, I know we can if we can stop bickering and start, maybe, like, fully comparing specs, and PLEASE read this and understand: NONE of those xbox stats say sh*t because they DO NOT STATE THE FREQUENCY OF THE COMPONENTS. 400mhz ram? or betteR? Whats the FSB on the xbox? 800mhz? 1066? higher? Ok, so if I opened 20 xbox 360's, handled them in everyway and fixed them for friends, brought them back to life, customize them, etc. etc. etc. means nothing compared to the fact it's stated true? I love your logic! Another comparison, Gears of War Xbox 360, Gears of War PC, runs 25% faster. Who doesn't agree with me? Who does? Hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) I dont believe there should be sides.... But if you want to choose sides the sides should look like this Haters Fans Cuz if your a real gta fan then these so called bugs shouldnt bother you to much. For the others all i can say is ur not a fan because ur complaining about a game that offers more than you can possibly imagine. Just the basic things, Traffic, Traffic paths, Traffic Lights, Traffic Stops, Traffic Goes, Accidents, Police Arresting, Police Chasing, Peds walking, Peds talking, Peds Eating, Peds Running, Peds Screaming , Peds Dying, Peds Falling, Euphoria, Trash, Rocks, Leaves, Grass, Water, Waves, Shadows, Reflections, Mirrors, Smoke, Fire, Guns, Sounds, GRAVITY and more can be seen and heard all at once during one minute in the game....Again these are the Little Basic Things that happen in the game..... If your almighty and powerful like God himself than make a game that has all this and more. I just dont get the group of haters for hating a game that does all this and more. To expect it to run 100% sh*t I wouldnt imagine building a game like this......Games are nothing but a bunch of 1 and 0's in certain order to perform an outcome of a whole city is just unimaginable to me. We as Humans have gone so far in the Past 11 Years of GTA..... All fans go to Youtube and search 11 years of GTA its worth the watch...Made me realize how much more this game has involved from being just an Idea to a top down Killer Game to a Fully Liveable 3d World. EDIT to comment on Zack What makes you think R* doesnt get money monthly? ppl more than likely everyday are still going out buying this game. So technically they get paid every month just like Blizz does with WoW....Plus i was comparing to how far a game can go with XX amount of patches added to it and how much performance wise the game runs. sh*t i know still to this day ppl still buy ole school R* games for some reason i realized i have 3 copies of GTA SA PS2 Xbox and PC version that right there proves no matter what these games will be purchased.....tomorrow or 10 yrs from now. me and you, we need to be live buddies for multiplayer lol. This is a good, entertaining post, and again I find myself agreeing with you! Well, really the thing I don´t understand is the lack of info. In my firm which produces papers and magazines - if we´ve got something important, good or bad - we INFORM all persons/relations involved. Why on earth don´t R* do this? Because that's Not what is happening.... -> http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058871116 I think, though, they can be better with how it is being handled... if anything though, we must all come together and FIND the issue, because it is on our end, whether rockstar is washing hands or not, end of the day, it's up to us to fix, my benchmark and specs do not lie... Clip Capture Enabled in all Benchmarks, BTW... Ah, I have 18+ years of experience. I can take your picture edit it, make it look real/bogus, and any videos. Hmmm. Should I? For the sake of our team!? Should I?!!! Oh? Well fack your 18 years of experience on old hardware, because YOUR link supports MY theory: Memory * 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM * 700 MHz of DDR * Unified memory architecture Oh? 700mhz DDR3? Well, that sure as hell beats MY ram, being ddr2 at 533mhz... Overall System Floating Point Performance * 1 teraflop And, although it doesn't mention it in your link: The Xbox 360 chip uses three of the fastest-available (3.2 GHz) PowerPC cores, in a cache-coherent symmetrical multiprocessing architecture with a 1MB L2 cache and a frontside/physical bus speed of 5.4 GHz. DO you know how f*cking fast that is? OF COURSE it runs great at low-ass 1280x720 on an xbox! GO play it on there then, wtf. Or upgrade your old, slow hardware... EVERY spec you posted so far is useless. Because size is not sh*t compared to speed, and the speed of your processor means nothing if your FSB is not up to the task... Edited January 12, 2009 by chngdman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 GTA 4 on PC looks great, thats the main difference imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Well Zack again you cant compare a game between a console and a computer. Cuz the computer will always be on top. IF not then your computer needs to be burried cuz its time to RIP. Also consoles are bound down to one setting in a game. There is no View distance Detail Distance on the Xbox the game sets the settings for the xbox automatically. For us as PC gamers to be able to modify and tweak the game visually is a huge step ahead of the consoles. For me i played 100+ hours of GTA 4 on the 360 then to transfer myself from the console to the PC I wish i could take the 100+ hours i spent on the 360 to play it on my PC. Because the PC is just Sex compared to Handjob that the 360 gives.... Yes i know the difference i get both everyday well sometimes Hey I would love to agree with what you just said, however I would have to betray my team. GoreMaster said - Well Zack again you cant compare a game between a console and a computer. Cuz the computer will always be on top. Doesn't seem to be for GTA 4. Now does it? Why are so many people saying we have to buy xbox 360s to actual play this game? Hmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Well Zack again you cant compare a game between a console and a computer. Cuz the computer will always be on top. IF not then your computer needs to be burried cuz its time to RIP. Also consoles are bound down to one setting in a game. There is no View distance Detail Distance on the Xbox the game sets the settings for the xbox automatically. For us as PC gamers to be able to modify and tweak the game visually is a huge step ahead of the consoles. For me i played 100+ hours of GTA 4 on the 360 then to transfer myself from the console to the PC I wish i could take the 100+ hours i spent on the 360 to play it on my PC. Because the PC is just Sex compared to Handjob that the 360 gives.... Yes i know the difference i get both everyday well sometimes Hey I would love to agree with what you just said, however I would have to betray my team. GoreMaster said - Well Zack again you cant compare a game between a console and a computer. Cuz the computer will always be on top. Doesn't seem to be for GTA 4. Now does it? Why are so many people saying we have to buy xbox 360s to actual play this game? Hmm.... Because they buy hardware for the WRONG specifications. Tehy buy 2gigs of ram and expect it to be faster than 1 gig, when they bought the same damned speed of ram... The result is more capacity, but no more speed... Barely... only from less memory fragments... Because they think their computer is better than an Xbox 360, when it clearly is not, and the 360, and PS3, are both pretty marvelous for graphics... They buy a 3.2 ghz dual core processor, and cry when it doesn't run this game, but never checked the FSB rating and realized they got an 800mhz processor that sucks and my 1.86ghz processor on a 1066mhz FSB runs circles around them all day... Look at the speeeeeeed of your rammmmmm and TELL ME how fast it is. If it is 400mhz or lower, I will virtually backslap you lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I dont believe there should be sides.... But if you want to choose sides the sides should look like this Haters Fans Cuz if your a real gta fan then these so called bugs shouldnt bother you to much. For the others all i can say is ur not a fan because ur complaining about a game that offers more than you can possibly imagine. Just the basic things, Traffic, Traffic paths, Traffic Lights, Traffic Stops, Traffic Goes, Accidents, Police Arresting, Police Chasing, Peds walking, Peds talking, Peds Eating, Peds Running, Peds Screaming , Peds Dying, Peds Falling, Euphoria, Trash, Rocks, Leaves, Grass, Water, Waves, Shadows, Reflections, Mirrors, Smoke, Fire, Guns, Sounds, GRAVITY and more can be seen and heard all at once during one minute in the game....Again these are the Little Basic Things that happen in the game..... If your almighty and powerful like God himself than make a game that has all this and more. I just dont get the group of haters for hating a game that does all this and more. To expect it to run 100% sh*t I wouldnt imagine building a game like this......Games are nothing but a bunch of 1 and 0's in certain order to perform an outcome of a whole city is just unimaginable to me. We as Humans have gone so far in the Past 11 Years of GTA..... All fans go to Youtube and search 11 years of GTA its worth the watch...Made me realize how much more this game has involved from being just an Idea to a top down Killer Game to a Fully Liveable 3d World. EDIT to comment on Zack What makes you think R* doesnt get money monthly? ppl more than likely everyday are still going out buying this game. So technically they get paid every month just like Blizz does with WoW....Plus i was comparing to how far a game can go with XX amount of patches added to it and how much performance wise the game runs. sh*t i know still to this day ppl still buy ole school R* games for some reason i realized i have 3 copies of GTA SA PS2 Xbox and PC version that right there proves no matter what these games will be purchased.....tomorrow or 10 yrs from now. me and you, we need to be live buddies for multiplayer lol. This is a good, entertaining post, and again I find myself agreeing with you! Well, really the thing I don´t understand is the lack of info. In my firm which produces papers and magazines - if we´ve got something important, good or bad - we INFORM all persons/relations involved. Why on earth don´t R* do this? Because that's Not what is happening.... -> http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058871116 I think, though, they can be better with how it is being handled... if anything though, we must all come together and FIND the issue, because it is on our end, whether rockstar is washing hands or not, end of the day, it's up to us to fix, my benchmark and specs do not lie... Clip Capture Enabled in all Benchmarks, BTW... Ah, I have 18+ years of experience. I can take your picture edit it, make it look real/bogus, and any videos. Hmmm. Should I? For the sake of our team!? Should I?!!! Oh? Well fack your 18 years of experience on old hardware, because YOUR link supports MY theory: Memory * 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM * 700 MHz of DDR * Unified memory architecture Oh? 700mhz DDR3? Well, that sure as hell beats MY ram, being ddr2 at 533mhz... Overall System Floating Point Performance * 1 teraflop And, although it doesn't mention it in your link: The Xbox 360 chip uses three of the fastest-available (3.2 GHz) PowerPC cores, in a cache-coherent symmetrical multiprocessing architecture with a 1MB L2 cache and a frontside/physical bus speed of 5.4 GHz. DO you know how f*cking fast that is? OF COURSE it runs great at low-ass 1280x720 on an xbox! GO play it on there then, wtf. Or upgrade your old, slow hardware... EVERY spec you posted so far is useless. Because size is not sh*t compared to speed, and the speed of your processor means nothing if your FSB is not up to the task... Dude, if I took my processor and video card out and was able to put it into the xbox 360, I can guarantee you it will superfly way way past it's performance. You really have no idea how out dated the xbox 360 is. Hmm my 18+ years of experience must mean nothing since I can do anything with a computer inside-out. Ok... so if my experience is inexperienced then I guess yours is negative!? Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoreMaster Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Well Zack again you cant compare a game between a console and a computer. Cuz the computer will always be on top. IF not then your computer needs to be burried cuz its time to RIP. Also consoles are bound down to one setting in a game. There is no View distance Detail Distance on the Xbox the game sets the settings for the xbox automatically. For us as PC gamers to be able to modify and tweak the game visually is a huge step ahead of the consoles. For me i played 100+ hours of GTA 4 on the 360 then to transfer myself from the console to the PC I wish i could take the 100+ hours i spent on the 360 to play it on my PC. Because the PC is just Sex compared to Handjob that the 360 gives.... Yes i know the difference i get both everyday well sometimes Hey I would love to agree with what you just said, however I would have to betray my team. GoreMaster said - Well Zack again you cant compare a game between a console and a computer. Cuz the computer will always be on top. Doesn't seem to be for GTA 4. Now does it? Why are so many people saying we have to buy xbox 360s to actual play this game? Hmm.... Who are these ppl you speak of? I dont recall not one person saying to only play this game you have to purchase a 360. I said you should purchase a 360 if you cant afford mid range gaming pc. (i know i didnt say it like that or in that order) PC<Consoles there is no War between them. PC will always be better. Thats why they only have console wars not console vs pc. Its just Dumb to compare the two. If your going to compare them then compare which looks the prettiest not which runs the best. Cuz if speed is all that matters then i can turn my game into diarrhea with my pc if turn everything down to its lowest. That way i can get 75+Fps even though the human eye cant see faster than 60fps...i do... ....Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Well Zack again you cant compare a game between a console and a computer. Cuz the computer will always be on top. IF not then your computer needs to be burried cuz its time to RIP. Also consoles are bound down to one setting in a game. There is no View distance Detail Distance on the Xbox the game sets the settings for the xbox automatically. For us as PC gamers to be able to modify and tweak the game visually is a huge step ahead of the consoles. For me i played 100+ hours of GTA 4 on the 360 then to transfer myself from the console to the PC I wish i could take the 100+ hours i spent on the 360 to play it on my PC. Because the PC is just Sex compared to Handjob that the 360 gives.... Yes i know the difference i get both everyday well sometimes Hey I would love to agree with what you just said, however I would have to betray my team. GoreMaster said - Well Zack again you cant compare a game between a console and a computer. Cuz the computer will always be on top. Doesn't seem to be for GTA 4. Now does it? Why are so many people saying we have to buy xbox 360s to actual play this game? Hmm.... Who are these ppl you speak of? I dont recall not one person saying to only play this game you have to purchase a 360. I said you should purchase a 360 if you cant afford mid range gaming pc. (i know i didnt say it like that or in that order) PC<Consoles there is no War between them. PC will always be better. Thats why they only have console wars not console vs pc. Its just Dumb to compare the two. If your going to compare them then compare which looks the prettiest not which runs the best. Cuz if speed is all that matters then i can turn my game into diarrhea with my pc if turn everything down to its lowest. That way i can get 75+Fps even though the human eye cant see faster than 60fps...i do... ....Lol. I was speaking off all the threads posted in the past. But I guess you weren't on to read any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I dont believe there should be sides.... But if you want to choose sides the sides should look like this Haters Fans Cuz if your a real gta fan then these so called bugs shouldnt bother you to much. For the others all i can say is ur not a fan because ur complaining about a game that offers more than you can possibly imagine. Just the basic things, Traffic, Traffic paths, Traffic Lights, Traffic Stops, Traffic Goes, Accidents, Police Arresting, Police Chasing, Peds walking, Peds talking, Peds Eating, Peds Running, Peds Screaming , Peds Dying, Peds Falling, Euphoria, Trash, Rocks, Leaves, Grass, Water, Waves, Shadows, Reflections, Mirrors, Smoke, Fire, Guns, Sounds, GRAVITY and more can be seen and heard all at once during one minute in the game....Again these are the Little Basic Things that happen in the game..... If your almighty and powerful like God himself than make a game that has all this and more. I just dont get the group of haters for hating a game that does all this and more. To expect it to run 100% sh*t I wouldnt imagine building a game like this......Games are nothing but a bunch of 1 and 0's in certain order to perform an outcome of a whole city is just unimaginable to me. We as Humans have gone so far in the Past 11 Years of GTA..... All fans go to Youtube and search 11 years of GTA its worth the watch...Made me realize how much more this game has involved from being just an Idea to a top down Killer Game to a Fully Liveable 3d World. EDIT to comment on Zack What makes you think R* doesnt get money monthly? ppl more than likely everyday are still going out buying this game. So technically they get paid every month just like Blizz does with WoW....Plus i was comparing to how far a game can go with XX amount of patches added to it and how much performance wise the game runs. sh*t i know still to this day ppl still buy ole school R* games for some reason i realized i have 3 copies of GTA SA PS2 Xbox and PC version that right there proves no matter what these games will be purchased.....tomorrow or 10 yrs from now. me and you, we need to be live buddies for multiplayer lol. This is a good, entertaining post, and again I find myself agreeing with you! Well, really the thing I don´t understand is the lack of info. In my firm which produces papers and magazines - if we´ve got something important, good or bad - we INFORM all persons/relations involved. Why on earth don´t R* do this? Because that's Not what is happening.... -> http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058871116 I think, though, they can be better with how it is being handled... if anything though, we must all come together and FIND the issue, because it is on our end, whether rockstar is washing hands or not, end of the day, it's up to us to fix, my benchmark and specs do not lie... Clip Capture Enabled in all Benchmarks, BTW... Ah, I have 18+ years of experience. I can take your picture edit it, make it look real/bogus, and any videos. Hmmm. Should I? For the sake of our team!? Should I?!!! Oh? Well fack your 18 years of experience on old hardware, because YOUR link supports MY theory: Memory * 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM * 700 MHz of DDR * Unified memory architecture Oh? 700mhz DDR3? Well, that sure as hell beats MY ram, being ddr2 at 533mhz... Overall System Floating Point Performance * 1 teraflop And, although it doesn't mention it in your link: The Xbox 360 chip uses three of the fastest-available (3.2 GHz) PowerPC cores, in a cache-coherent symmetrical multiprocessing architecture with a 1MB L2 cache and a frontside/physical bus speed of 5.4 GHz. DO you know how f*cking fast that is? OF COURSE it runs great at low-ass 1280x720 on an xbox! GO play it on there then, wtf. Or upgrade your old, slow hardware... EVERY spec you posted so far is useless. Because size is not sh*t compared to speed, and the speed of your processor means nothing if your FSB is not up to the task... Dude, if I took my processor and video card out and was able to put it into the xbox 360, I can guarantee you it will superfly way way past it's performance. You really have no idea how out dated the xbox 360 is. Hmm my 18+ years of experience must mean nothing since I can do anything with a computer inside-out. Ok... so if my experience is inexperienced then I guess yours is negative!? Right? Dude, I never said 700mhz was cutting edge... 800mhz is slow these days... but you have no idea how many people are still buying 2gigs of 400mhz ram and complaining and NEVER EVER realizing they made the mistake of buying the package and not the speed... I guarantee all slideslow GTA/slow GTA/excessive pop in, etc, is from slow FSB and slow ram... Those problems mentioned, are caused by what I just said. You have no idea how many computers I fix that still have slow ass 333mhz ram and are less than 2 years old. People post specs all day, and you NEVER get the REAL answer for the problems because their SPECS are not the real specs. In THIS case, speed of component is WAY more important than capacity or processing rating. One last time, I'll admit, I could just have "the lucky pcchips usa mobo", but I highly doubt it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoreMaster Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I dont believe there should be sides.... But if you want to choose sides the sides should look like this Haters Fans Cuz if your a real gta fan then these so called bugs shouldnt bother you to much. For the others all i can say is ur not a fan because ur complaining about a game that offers more than you can possibly imagine. Just the basic things, Traffic, Traffic paths, Traffic Lights, Traffic Stops, Traffic Goes, Accidents, Police Arresting, Police Chasing, Peds walking, Peds talking, Peds Eating, Peds Running, Peds Screaming , Peds Dying, Peds Falling, Euphoria, Trash, Rocks, Leaves, Grass, Water, Waves, Shadows, Reflections, Mirrors, Smoke, Fire, Guns, Sounds, GRAVITY and more can be seen and heard all at once during one minute in the game....Again these are the Little Basic Things that happen in the game..... If your almighty and powerful like God himself than make a game that has all this and more. I just dont get the group of haters for hating a game that does all this and more. To expect it to run 100% sh*t I wouldnt imagine building a game like this......Games are nothing but a bunch of 1 and 0's in certain order to perform an outcome of a whole city is just unimaginable to me. We as Humans have gone so far in the Past 11 Years of GTA..... All fans go to Youtube and search 11 years of GTA its worth the watch...Made me realize how much more this game has involved from being just an Idea to a top down Killer Game to a Fully Liveable 3d World. EDIT to comment on Zack What makes you think R* doesnt get money monthly? ppl more than likely everyday are still going out buying this game. So technically they get paid every month just like Blizz does with WoW....Plus i was comparing to how far a game can go with XX amount of patches added to it and how much performance wise the game runs. sh*t i know still to this day ppl still buy ole school R* games for some reason i realized i have 3 copies of GTA SA PS2 Xbox and PC version that right there proves no matter what these games will be purchased.....tomorrow or 10 yrs from now. me and you, we need to be live buddies for multiplayer lol. This is a good, entertaining post, and again I find myself agreeing with you! Well, really the thing I don´t understand is the lack of info. In my firm which produces papers and magazines - if we´ve got something important, good or bad - we INFORM all persons/relations involved. Why on earth don´t R* do this? Because that's Not what is happening.... -> http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058871116 I think, though, they can be better with how it is being handled... if anything though, we must all come together and FIND the issue, because it is on our end, whether rockstar is washing hands or not, end of the day, it's up to us to fix, my benchmark and specs do not lie... Clip Capture Enabled in all Benchmarks, BTW... Ah, I have 18+ years of experience. I can take your picture edit it, make it look real/bogus, and any videos. Hmmm. Should I? For the sake of our team!? Should I?!!! Oh? Well fack your 18 years of experience on old hardware, because YOUR link supports MY theory: Memory * 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM * 700 MHz of DDR * Unified memory architecture Oh? 700mhz DDR3? Well, that sure as hell beats MY ram, being ddr2 at 533mhz... Overall System Floating Point Performance * 1 teraflop And, although it doesn't mention it in your link: The Xbox 360 chip uses three of the fastest-available (3.2 GHz) PowerPC cores, in a cache-coherent symmetrical multiprocessing architecture with a 1MB L2 cache and a frontside/physical bus speed of 5.4 GHz. DO you know how f*cking fast that is? OF COURSE it runs great at low-ass 1280x720 on an xbox! GO play it on there then, wtf. Or upgrade your old, slow hardware... EVERY spec you posted so far is useless. Because size is not sh*t compared to speed, and the speed of your processor means nothing if your FSB is not up to the task... Dude, if I took my processor and video card out and was able to put it into the xbox 360, I can guarantee you it will superfly way way past it's performance. You really have no idea how out dated the xbox 360 is. Hmm my 18+ years of experience must mean nothing since I can do anything with a computer inside-out. Ok... so if my experience is inexperienced then I guess yours is negative!? Right? Dude, I never said 700mhz was cutting edge... 800mhz is slow these days... but you have no idea how many people are still buying 2gigs of 400mhz ram and complaining and NEVER EVER realizing they made the mistake of buying the package and not the speed... I guarantee all slideslow GTA/slow GTA/excessive pop in, etc, is from slow FSB and slow ram... Those problems mentioned, are caused by what I just said. You have no idea how many computers I fix that still have slow ass 333mhz ram and are less than 2 years old. People post specs all day, and you NEVER get the REAL answer for the problems because their SPECS are not the real specs. In THIS case, speed of component is WAY more important than capacity or processing rating. One last time, I'll admit, I could just have "the lucky pcchips usa mobo", but I highly doubt it... Exactly... This game requires you to have the most up to date Hardware known. Im not saying you need a 4870x2 and Quad Core Black Editon or Extreme Edition. But you need the hardware that is capable to handle hundreds of commandlines being shot into the computer in matters of seconds to play this game in a respectable speed. Ram as in 800 mhz or more Need a dual core with 3.0 or a Triple with 2.1 or a Quad with 2.1. This game is Power hungry and it will feed on anything that your computer can provide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 This game is Power hungry and it will feed on anything that your computer can provide. lol thats true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I dont believe there should be sides.... But if you want to choose sides the sides should look like this Haters Fans Cuz if your a real gta fan then these so called bugs shouldnt bother you to much. For the others all i can say is ur not a fan because ur complaining about a game that offers more than you can possibly imagine. Just the basic things, Traffic, Traffic paths, Traffic Lights, Traffic Stops, Traffic Goes, Accidents, Police Arresting, Police Chasing, Peds walking, Peds talking, Peds Eating, Peds Running, Peds Screaming , Peds Dying, Peds Falling, Euphoria, Trash, Rocks, Leaves, Grass, Water, Waves, Shadows, Reflections, Mirrors, Smoke, Fire, Guns, Sounds, GRAVITY and more can be seen and heard all at once during one minute in the game....Again these are the Little Basic Things that happen in the game..... If your almighty and powerful like God himself than make a game that has all this and more. I just dont get the group of haters for hating a game that does all this and more. To expect it to run 100% sh*t I wouldnt imagine building a game like this......Games are nothing but a bunch of 1 and 0's in certain order to perform an outcome of a whole city is just unimaginable to me. We as Humans have gone so far in the Past 11 Years of GTA..... All fans go to Youtube and search 11 years of GTA its worth the watch...Made me realize how much more this game has involved from being just an Idea to a top down Killer Game to a Fully Liveable 3d World. EDIT to comment on Zack What makes you think R* doesnt get money monthly? ppl more than likely everyday are still going out buying this game. So technically they get paid every month just like Blizz does with WoW....Plus i was comparing to how far a game can go with XX amount of patches added to it and how much performance wise the game runs. sh*t i know still to this day ppl still buy ole school R* games for some reason i realized i have 3 copies of GTA SA PS2 Xbox and PC version that right there proves no matter what these games will be purchased.....tomorrow or 10 yrs from now. me and you, we need to be live buddies for multiplayer lol. This is a good, entertaining post, and again I find myself agreeing with you! Well, really the thing I don´t understand is the lack of info. In my firm which produces papers and magazines - if we´ve got something important, good or bad - we INFORM all persons/relations involved. Why on earth don´t R* do this? Because that's Not what is happening.... -> http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058871116 I think, though, they can be better with how it is being handled... if anything though, we must all come together and FIND the issue, because it is on our end, whether rockstar is washing hands or not, end of the day, it's up to us to fix, my benchmark and specs do not lie... Clip Capture Enabled in all Benchmarks, BTW... Ah, I have 18+ years of experience. I can take your picture edit it, make it look real/bogus, and any videos. Hmmm. Should I? For the sake of our team!? Should I?!!! Oh? Well fack your 18 years of experience on old hardware, because YOUR link supports MY theory: Memory * 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM * 700 MHz of DDR * Unified memory architecture Oh? 700mhz DDR3? Well, that sure as hell beats MY ram, being ddr2 at 533mhz... Overall System Floating Point Performance * 1 teraflop And, although it doesn't mention it in your link: The Xbox 360 chip uses three of the fastest-available (3.2 GHz) PowerPC cores, in a cache-coherent symmetrical multiprocessing architecture with a 1MB L2 cache and a frontside/physical bus speed of 5.4 GHz. DO you know how f*cking fast that is? OF COURSE it runs great at low-ass 1280x720 on an xbox! GO play it on there then, wtf. Or upgrade your old, slow hardware... EVERY spec you posted so far is useless. Because size is not sh*t compared to speed, and the speed of your processor means nothing if your FSB is not up to the task... Dude, if I took my processor and video card out and was able to put it into the xbox 360, I can guarantee you it will superfly way way past it's performance. You really have no idea how out dated the xbox 360 is. Hmm my 18+ years of experience must mean nothing since I can do anything with a computer inside-out. Ok... so if my experience is inexperienced then I guess yours is negative!? Right? Dude, I never said 700mhz was cutting edge... 800mhz is slow these days... but you have no idea how many people are still buying 2gigs of 400mhz ram and complaining and NEVER EVER realizing they made the mistake of buying the package and not the speed... I guarantee all slideslow GTA/slow GTA/excessive pop in, etc, is from slow FSB and slow ram... Those problems mentioned, are caused by what I just said. You have no idea how many computers I fix that still have slow ass 333mhz ram and are less than 2 years old. People post specs all day, and you NEVER get the REAL answer for the problems because their SPECS are not the real specs. In THIS case, speed of component is WAY more important than capacity or processing rating. One last time, I'll admit, I could just have "the lucky pcchips usa mobo", but I highly doubt it... Exactly... This game requires you to have the most up to date Hardware known. Im not saying you need a 4870x2 and Quad Core Black Editon or Extreme Edition. But you need the hardware that is capable to handle hundreds of commandlines being shot into the computer in matters of seconds to play this game in a respectable speed. Ram as in 800 mhz or more Need a dual core with 3.0 or a Triple with 2.1 or a Quad with 2.1. This game is Power hungry and it will feed on anything that your computer can provide. No, please, read what you just quoted. My ram is only 533mhz, 2 gigs, old, costs 25 bucks now. My processor is core 2 duo 1.86ghz, 1066mhz FSB - old nowadays, but still faster than most people have, because they think 3.0ghz means something, when 800mhz FSB on that same processor gets eaten alive by mine... which is old... My video card, barely used by GTA IV. 30-some percent, HD 3850 - means nothing. Whole arguement has been that Z needs to tell me the Truth about his system so people can see he has less than 533mhz on the ram, or only has an 800mhz FSB or something of that nature. It's going to come out in the wash. My PC is FAR from moderate gaming, with the exception of a decent video card. But I get steady 30fps. Someone in here is going to eventually cave and "come out with it" and have a Quad core on some FSB of 800, itself limited as well by 333mhz ram, I know it LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Well I'm off to bed, I'll reply later. I'll leave with the last bit for you C. If the xbox 360 is faster than a current build, assuming your saying if we buy slower clock speeds, why would the same game for the pc allow high graphics while the games for the xbox 360 are lower and the game runs with the graphics just great? Good examples: PC (Looks Great), plays super smooth Left 4 Dead Gears Of War Xbox 360 (Looks Ok), plays alright smooth, sometimes freezes Left 4 Dead Gears Of war Comparsion? Why compare, obivously the computer will beat the xbox 360 as long as the specs are over it, even if the clock speeds (Might) be slower. I'll also talk about the video card edition comparisons later. Have fun! Oh I doubt your motherboard has anything to do with the game running fine, otherwise we would see a lot more problems for all of us. For GoreMaster, if the xbox 360 can play GTA 4 very good. All I am saying is if they took the game and made it just as well, a lot of people wouldn't be here complaining. It just down right needs power hungry because the code is very very bad. Not to mention bloat wire and other things. You want us all to get next machines everytime a company writes back code to make us run it? I think a lot of consumers would be pissed. Hey, that's what is happening here... well? How did that happen? Let me think... na I'll let you guys think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) Well I'm off to bed, I'll reply later. I'll leave with the last bit for you C. If the xbox 360 is faster than a current build, assuming your saying if we buy slower clock speeds, why would the same game for the pc allow high graphics while the games for the xbox 360 are lower and the game runs with the graphics just great? Good examples: PC (Looks Great), plays super smooth Left 4 Dead Gears Of War Xbox 360 (Looks Ok), plays alright smooth, sometimes freezes Left 4 Dead Gears Of war Comparsion? Why compare, obivously the computer will beat the xbox 360 as long as the specs are over it, even if the clock speeds (Might) be slower. I'll also talk about the video card edition comparisons later. Have fun! Oh I doubt your motherboard has anything to do with the game running fine, otherwise we would see a lot more problems for all of us. For GoreMaster, if the xbox 360 can play GTA 4 very good. All I am saying is if they took the game and made it just as well, a lot of people wouldn't be here complaining. It just down right needs power hungry because the code is very very bad. Not to mention bloat wire and other things. You want us all to get next machines everytime a company writes back code to make us run it? I think a lot of consumers would be pissed. Hey, that's what is happening here... well? How did that happen? Let me think... na I'll let you guys think The only thing I can make that make sense with is the 10MB of ram on the xbox 360 video card, which is embedded, as you stated (I read imbedded/integrated for some reason I think, sorry) and the simple fact that it was built ages ago and does not recieve upgrades like PC components do (including drivers, for the *most part*). You can still buy new parts today that are slow... It doesn't mean they are any good, I guess. And no, absolutely not, slower clock speeds will not beat something that has higher clock speeds. And GTA will not run fast on slow ram + FSB. Slow is like, less than 533mhz ram, less than 1066mhz FSB. Those are my specs, and those are even slow, and that is why I ONLY get the 30FPS in the benchmark, not 40 or 60, like I would if I had 1600mhz FSB and 800mhz ram......... BUT guess what? There are plenty complaining here who have that 800mhz ram, but the fools have it running on a processor that only does 800mhz FSB... So their ram is really only a longer lasting 400mhz... Or they have a processor and FSB exact to mine, and so their ram is only going 533mhz, again, not the speed they bought, but they will swear still it is 800mhz. No, it isn't. It is FSB limited... And yes, I agree, this is all done on purpose with AAA titles to force upgrades. Note my links in this topic, you will read all about that in the antialiasing bit I blundered about But that's OK, because I don't want MY internet and technology to be held back by Joe or Frank BitLess just ebcause they think it is worth more for rockstar to support old sh*t that holds us back so they can play than it is for rockstar to force upgrades so in effect they can do even more than they did here, do you?? Hell no. Force them. All day. Interesting night, sleep well. Edited January 12, 2009 by chngdman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoreMaster Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Well I'm off to bed, I'll reply later. I'll leave with the last bit for you C. If the xbox 360 is faster than a current build, assuming your saying if we buy slower clock speeds, why would the same game for the pc allow high graphics while the games for the xbox 360 are lower and the game runs with the graphics just great? Good examples: PC (Looks Great), plays super smooth Left 4 Dead Gears Of War Xbox 360 (Looks Ok), plays alright smooth, sometimes freezes Left 4 Dead Gears Of war Comparsion? Why compare, obivously the computer will beat the xbox 360 as long as the specs are over it, even if the clock speeds (Might) be slower. I'll also talk about the video card edition comparisons later. Have fun! Oh I doubt your motherboard has anything to do with the game running fine, otherwise we would see a lot more problems for all of us. For GoreMaster, if the xbox 360 can play GTA 4 very good. All I am saying is if they took the game and made it just as well, a lot of people wouldn't be here complaining. It just down right needs power hungry because the code is very very bad. Not to mention bloat wire and other things. You want us all to get next machines everytime a company writes back code to make us run it? I think a lot of consumers would be pissed. Hey, that's what is happening here... well? How did that happen? Let me think... na I'll let you guys think Yes you are right the game needs better coding but that means better optimization which ive said many times. The 360 version is no different then the pc. Except for the fact the 360 has the same bugs while the Pc has more due to the fact of all different combo's of computers out there while there is only one true build for a 360. See if this game was made with only one pc in mind then it would probably run 100% but since its not and has to deal with various amounts of pc builds there are going to be problems. Thats why it makes sense why a company would only make a console game and not for the pc. They would only have to deal with the bugs the console produces not like bugs that millions of computers can produce. Well im out im at work and now about to go home and smoke me a bowl and play me some gta and make more mods enjoy the game guys give it more time! Rockstar We love you thats why there are so many of us on the forum either crying or prizing over the game! Keep it up and release the good patch soon! And dont be like bethesda and say that the patch will be out on a day it doesnt even come out.... Bethesda claimed a patch before january.....Comin on the second week of January Guys! GTA FTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo1508 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I am just wondering are we getting an influx of new PC gamers or something ? I've been gaming on the PC for well over 10 years and I always took it as read that everyone knew the "specifications" were a complete and utter pile of horse sh*t. They don't mean anything, think about it for a second the developers release a minimum specification erm for what ? What resolution ? what settings ? what frame rate ? Just exactly how is a PC on minimum settings meant to run the game ? I have never yet seen this answered. We of course can come to our own conclusions what we think it should mean. I guess most people would say the minimum requirements is a playable frame rate of 15 - 20fps at the lowest resolution of 800 x 600 with all the settings on the lowest. If you can't get the game running on a 1.8ghz Duo2core with 7900 at those settings then you are doing something wrong. Even I can get the game running at better than minimum settings on a core2duo 2.4ghz and a 8600gt which is at least 50% slower than the 7900gt. So it is open to debate about whether they lied or f*cked us over with the minimum requirements. Now again the recommended what do they mean ? I mean sure they give you a list of computer equipment but what does it mean for performance. Is recommended a PC that can play the game maxxed out ? If so then every single developer is lying their arse off and that includes people like Crytek. I would probably suggest the "recommended" is a PC running it at console settings and if that is the case then again they didn't lie, you can get console settings out of the recommended specs they listed. I will admit the 8600gt is being a bit cheeky and it would have been more accurate to put an 8800gt there. At the end of the day the specifications that developers give you are absolute bullsh*t, I don't even know why you are trying to cause a controversy by saying "Rockstar f*cked us" if that is the case then every single developer since the first PC game came out has "f*cked us". O ok well f*ck it, hey ill just bend over and let them f*ck my ass. GET A SPINE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I am just wondering are we getting an influx of new PC gamers or something ? I've been gaming on the PC for well over 10 years and I always took it as read that everyone knew the "specifications" were a complete and utter pile of horse sh*t. They don't mean anything, think about it for a second the developers release a minimum specification erm for what ? What resolution ? what settings ? what frame rate ? Just exactly how is a PC on minimum settings meant to run the game ? I have never yet seen this answered. We of course can come to our own conclusions what we think it should mean. I guess most people would say the minimum requirements is a playable frame rate of 15 - 20fps at the lowest resolution of 800 x 600 with all the settings on the lowest. If you can't get the game running on a 1.8ghz Duo2core with 7900 at those settings then you are doing something wrong. Even I can get the game running at better than minimum settings on a core2duo 2.4ghz and a 8600gt which is at least 50% slower than the 7900gt. So it is open to debate about whether they lied or f*cked us over with the minimum requirements. Now again the recommended what do they mean ? I mean sure they give you a list of computer equipment but what does it mean for performance. Is recommended a PC that can play the game maxxed out ? If so then every single developer is lying their arse off and that includes people like Crytek. I would probably suggest the "recommended" is a PC running it at console settings and if that is the case then again they didn't lie, you can get console settings out of the recommended specs they listed. I will admit the 8600gt is being a bit cheeky and it would have been more accurate to put an 8800gt there. At the end of the day the specifications that developers give you are absolute bullsh*t, I don't even know why you are trying to cause a controversy by saying "Rockstar f*cked us" if that is the case then every single developer since the first PC game came out has "f*cked us". O ok well f*ck it, hey ill just bend over and let them f*ck my ass. GET A SPINE I think this is going to come to be remembered as one of the FSB/Ram speed problems I am talking about. That old GFX card makes me think your 2gigs are old too. Hey, what is your 1.8ghz processor FSB? 800MHZ - I think it is if it isn't the same one I have (e6320, 1066fsb version of 1.86ghz with 4mb cache) or the one right below (e6300) I may be wrong. But, if you have 800mhz FSB, there is your problem. Now who's f*cking who in the ass? Rockstar is up in you, or you are giving them bad name? No no, lets get your speeds FSB/Ram and see if we can find a fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 No no, lets get your speeds FSB/Ram and see if we can find a fix. The "fix" you mean is called upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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