Who else thinks Rockstar f*cked us?

[chngdman]

 

Rockstar knew long before they released this that the minimum and recommended requirements weren't enough to play the game properly. So do you think we were deliberately misled by Rockstar, or were they just unaware of how poorly GTA4 the game actually was?

Nope. You are wrong. Rockstar didn't f*ck anyone. I HAVE minimum specs and I RUN THIS GAME perfectly fine. Fix your PC, learn to run a PC, learn to configure a PC, whatever it is, it is on YOUR OWN END, sorry. That is the Fact.

 

If your ram is slower than 533mhz, there is your problem.

 

If your FSB is slower than 1066mhz, there is your problem.

 

If your upgrades were just plugged in and not properly configured, whenever you upgraded, years ago or now, there is your problem.

 

No, rockstar didn't f*ck us, complainers are doing that. If you need help, please, outline your problem...

 

 

Neither screenshots nor trailers have shown that it would flicker, z-fight, pixel-noise and geometry/texture pop-in all over the screen like it has not been seen anymore in games for ages.

 

How fast is your ram and your video card? and how fast is your FSB? The oNLY way I can produce those errors (except zfighting, which is apparently ATI's fault) is by slowing down my speeds to under the ones I suggested above.

You know, I am getting a little sick of bullsh*t like this.

 

If you are running fine you have no idea how the game should run. Your like one of those players that plays the game and misses "bugs". I would love to say this game runs fine but when you install it on 10 different computers with differents os, different speeds, video cards, ram, etc... and high specs, something tells me right off to not believe you. I don't think you completely understand how the game should run. I been playing it since the day it came out for the xbox 360 and again, I will say, it's f*cked to hell for the pc. Yes Rockstar did f*ck us, took our money, and if you believe they will fix this sh*t your wrong because the first patch and lies proves just that. It will take a long time to fix all of this. Not gonna happen.

 

The fact you say "perfectly fine = 100%" tells me you don't know where the crap is in the game, and I can't take what you wrote for real. That is a fact! You almost sound like a sales rep for gta 4 for pc. Ha Ha

 

I can't wait to see your sales down the line. I still haven't bought your Lost and Damn version and I never will, nor will I recommend any Rockstar titles to anyone. You took my 50 bucks along with everyone else, it's what you at least deserve.

o'rlly?

 

 

 

StatisticsAverage FPS: 33.29Duration: 37.78 secCPU Usage: 91%System memory usage: 68%Video memory usage: 38%Graphics SettingsVideo Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz)Texture Quality: MediumRender Quality: HighView Distance: 21Detail Distance: 31HardwareMicrosoft Windows XP ProfessionalService Pack 3Video Adapter: ATI Radeon HD 3800 Series Video Driver version: 6.14.10.6891Audio Adapter: SB Live! 24-bitIntel® Core2 CPU          6320  @ 1.86GHzFile ID: benchmark.cli

 

 

Please, tell me why on MINIMUM specs (processor, you can see video card is not as important in my benchmark...) I get THIRTY fps... Please, tell me, HOW fast is your RAM. I ask because I think that is the main reason for people complaining - they have 333 or 400mhz ram or something, I don't know... Only way I can get a slow game is to slow down my ram. I can put view all the way up and the only time it slows me down is when I ALSO have traffic on 100. If I keep view low, my processor usage does not *seem* to rise, and 100 traffic offers me no slowdown that I've noticed *YET*, but I don't play often with 100 traffic, but I did go all through a day of invincible cop killing and 100 traffic before and after wanted level (makes cars spawn less for the AI of the cops and their sounds and lights to not slowdown much... However, setting my ram slower than 533MHZ, and ALL settings LOW makes a SINGLE cop car slow me down, and it feels slow to drive or even run without looking at the ground - again, check and make sure your ram isn't dated old.)

 

I know how the game should run - I run it, once again, flawlessly at a smooth 30FPS... The minimum one would expect of a game... and coincidence, I think not - I am on *gasp* minimum processor

 

I could take you serious if you have 1066mhz FSB, processor that supports it, and 533MHZ ram, and these are slow by today's expectations, and are the speed of mine...

 

 

I'm convinced Rockstar knew this game underperformed on many computers because it was poorly ported, yet still released it at their target schedule to get the game out for 2008 holidays. Basically I feel cheated getting it early when it should have ran on my computer, and all I have is an unplayable game which sells for crap on ebay.

 

I'm convinced your ram is slower than 533mhz, or does not match your FSB, which could be below 1066mhz... I could be wrong about all of this, but it's my findings so far.

Edited January 12, 2009 by chngdman

[ZaCkOX]

Rockstar knew long before they released this that the minimum and recommended requirements weren't enough to play the game properly. So do you think we were deliberately misled by Rockstar, or were they just unaware of how poorly GTA4 the game actually was?

Nope. You are wrong. Rockstar didn't f*ck anyone. I HAVE minimum specs and I RUN THIS GAME perfectly fine. Fix your PC, learn to run a PC, learn to configure a PC, whatever it is, it is on YOUR OWN END, sorry. That is the Fact.

 

If your ram is slower than 533mhz, there is your problem.

 

If your FSB is slower than 1066mhz, there is your problem.

 

If your upgrades were just plugged in and not properly configured, whenever you upgraded, years ago or now, there is your problem.

 

No, rockstar didn't f*ck us, complainers are doing that. If you need help, please, outline your problem...

 

 

Neither screenshots nor trailers have shown that it would flicker, z-fight, pixel-noise and geometry/texture pop-in all over the screen like it has not been seen anymore in games for ages.

 

How fast is your ram and your video card? and how fast is your FSB? The oNLY way I can produce those errors (except zfighting, which is apparently ATI's fault) is by slowing down my speeds to under the ones I suggested above.

You know, I am getting a little sick of bullsh*t like this.

 

If you are running fine you have no idea how the game should run. Your like one of those players that plays the game and misses "bugs". I would love to say this game runs fine but when you install it on 10 different computers with differents os, different speeds, video cards, ram, etc... and high specs, something tells me right off to not believe you. I don't think you completely understand how the game should run. I been playing it since the day it came out for the xbox 360 and again, I will say, it's f*cked to hell for the pc. Yes Rockstar did f*ck us, took our money, and if you believe they will fix this sh*t your wrong because the first patch and lies proves just that. It will take a long time to fix all of this. Not gonna happen.

 

The fact you say "perfectly fine = 100%" tells me you don't know where the crap is in the game, and I can't take what you wrote for real. That is a fact! You almost sound like a sales rep for gta 4 for pc. Ha Ha

 

I can't wait to see your sales down the line. I still haven't bought your Lost and Damn version and I never will, nor will I recommend any Rockstar titles to anyone. You took my 50 bucks along with everyone else, it's what you at least deserve.

o'rlly?

 

 

 

StatisticsAverage FPS: 33.29Duration: 37.78 secCPU Usage: 91%System memory usage: 68%Video memory usage: 38%Graphics SettingsVideo Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz)Texture Quality: MediumRender Quality: HighView Distance: 21Detail Distance: 31HardwareMicrosoft Windows XP ProfessionalService Pack 3Video Adapter: ATI Radeon HD 3800 Series Video Driver version: 6.14.10.6891Audio Adapter: SB Live! 24-bitIntel® Core2 CPU          6320  @ 1.86GHzFile ID: benchmark.cli

 

 

Please, tell me why on MINIMUM specs (processor, you can see video card is not as important in my benchmark...) I get THIRTY fps... Please, tell me, HOW fast is your RAM. I ask because I think that is the main reason for people complaining - they have 333 or 400mhz ram or something, I don't know... Only way I can get a slow game is to slow down my ram. I can put view all the way up and the only time it slows me down is when I ALSO have traffic on 100. If I keep view low, my processor usage does not *seem* to rise, and 100 traffic offers me no slowdown that I've noticed *YET*, but I don't play often with 100 traffic, but I did go all through a day of invincible cop killing and 100 traffic before and after wanted level (makes cars spawn less for the AI of the cops and their sounds and lights to not slowdown much... However, setting my ram slower than 533MHZ, and ALL settings LOW makes a SINGLE cop car slow me down, and it feels slow to drive or even run without looking at the ground - again, check and make sure your ram isn't dated old.)

 

I know how the game should run - I run it, once again, flawlessly at a smooth 30FPS... The minimum one would expect of a game... and coincidence, I think not - I am on *gasp* minimum processor

 

I could take you serious if you have 1066mhz FSB, processor that supports it, and 533MHZ ram, and these are slow by today's expectations, and are the speed of mine...

 

 

I'm convinced Rockstar knew this game underperformed on many computers because it was poorly ported, yet still released it at their target schedule to get the game out for 2008 holidays. Basically I feel cheated getting it early when it should have ran on my computer, and all I have is an unplayable game which sells for crap on ebay.

 

I'm convinced your ram is slower than 533mhz, or does not match your FSB, which could be below 1066mhz... I could be wrong about all of this, but it's my findings so far.

Install gears of war for pc, and get the xbox version of gta 4 then come back. You'll see exactly what I mean.

[TruXter]

 

I have installed this game on multiple machines.

socket A 1.1 g cpu, 6200 128 mb agp vid winxp 715 mb pc 2700 xp 32         17+ fps

3.2g 939 processor 2 gigs pc3200  nvidia 7600 gs agp xp32                         17+fps

amd sempron 3400 1.8g , 2 gigs pc3200 nvidia bfg8500gt 512 mb   xp32             20+fps

e2200 dcd 2 gigs pc5200 memory nvidia PNY9500gt 512 mb  xp 32,vista32           30+fps

amd 5600+ am2 cpu  4 gigs pc 6400 nvidia evga9500gt 512 mb xp32,xp64,vista     34+ fps

 

THE GAME RUNS FINE!

 

You just have to know what you are doing

Ok, let me clearify.

 

THE GAME RUNS FINE!

 

Again, anyone believe that? What is fine to you? Have to enter in command lines? Make specific changes to your system to force GTA 4 to run fine?

 

Because I can say, the game runs fine. Means nothing. Even though I still don't believe you installed to all of those. Show some footage. I can show a lot of footage of it NOT BEING FINE. What about you?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uI5HkH76ihw

 

Edited January 12, 2009 by TruXter

[Blazur]

 

Rockstar knew long before they released this that the minimum and recommended requirements weren't enough to play the game properly. So do you think we were deliberately misled by Rockstar, or were they just unaware of how poorly GTA4 the game actually was?

Nope. You are wrong. Rockstar didn't f*ck anyone. I HAVE minimum specs and I RUN THIS GAME perfectly fine. Fix your PC, learn to run a PC, learn to configure a PC, whatever it is, it is on YOUR OWN END, sorry. That is the Fact.

 

All due respect but this statement is a load of crap and an insult to many. My Dell XPS M1710 rig is nearly brand new from Dell and falls directly between mid/recommended specs. I've never had this much trouble getting a launch game to run properly. So you were one of the few people lucky enough to run the computer...that's great. But don't sit there and insist everybody else who is unable to run the game can't due so because of their incompetence with using a PC.

 

The only fact is that this game was poorly programmed and quite frankly is not ready for retail. They should have tested it on a wider variety of PC configurations, and then delayed the release date to remedy the problem.

 

Don't post stupid crap like this again. Many of us are enraged enough before listing to your nonsense.

[ZaCkOX]

 

I have installed this game on multiple machines.

socket A 1.1 g cpu, 6200 128 mb agp vid winxp 715 mb pc 2700 xp 32         17+ fps

3.2g 939 processor 2 gigs pc3200  nvidia 7600 gs agp xp32                         17+fps

amd sempron 3400 1.8g , 2 gigs pc3200 nvidia bfg8500gt 512 mb   xp32             20+fps

e2200 dcd 2 gigs pc5200 memory nvidia PNY9500gt 512 mb  xp 32,vista32           30+fps

amd 5600+ am2 cpu  4 gigs pc 6400 nvidia evga9500gt 512 mb xp32,xp64,vista     34+ fps

 

THE GAME RUNS FINE!

 

You just have to know what you are doing

Ok, let me clearify.

 

THE GAME RUNS FINE!

 

Again, anyone believe that? What is fine to you? Have to enter in command lines? Make specific changes to your system to force GTA 4 to run fine?

 

Because I can say, the game runs fine. Means nothing. Even though I still don't believe you installed to all of those. Show some footage. I can show a lot of footage of it NOT BEING FINE. What about you?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=http://uk.yo...h?v=uI5HkH76ihw

 

Wow, at least you tried. The comments doesn't look good for you. Just read the comments to the video. A lot of people disagree. Means I am still right about GTA 4 being f*cked huh? I hate to be so right.

[chngdman]

 

Install gears of war for pc, and get the xbox version of gta 4 then come back. You'll see exactly what I mean.

#1: Why would I install an OLD game with OLD technology on a MAJORLY optimized engine that is used in millions of games programmed by some of the best game programmers on the planet that still does not do half of what GTA IV has to do on screen at any given time, to test and see what, that not only can I run GTA IV just fine at 30FPS, but I can also eat those games alive?

 

XBox version of GTA IV? Please... It has Nothing on the PC version's higher resolution, with the same lock ups ,freezes, and pop in that people with slow ram talk about. HEY now that you mention it, isn't the XBox 360 ram only 400MHZ?

 

Again, can't compare this game to a very small and trivial game like gears... there is nothing special about gears besides a third person view, ok? lol. Can't even compare this game to Crysis Warhead: Warhead is another example of a game that does things well, but not nearly as many things...

 

 

All due respect but this statement is a load of crap and an insult to many. My Dell XPS M1710 rig is nearly brand new from Dell and falls directly between mid/recommended specs. I've never had this much trouble getting a launch game to run properly. So you were one of the few people lucky enough to run the computer...that's great. But don't sit there and insist everybody else who is unable to run the game can't due so because of their incompetence with using a PC.

 

The only fact is that this game was poorly programmed and quite frankly is not ready for retail. They should have tested it on a wider variety of PC configurations, and then delayed the release date to remedy the problem.

 

Don't post stupid crap like this again. Many of us are enraged enough before listing to your nonsense.

 

Maybe you guys should ask me some questions or talk about the actual problems you are having then? And... One mo' time: How fast is your FSB and your RAM.

[ZaCkOX]

 

Install gears of war for pc, and get the xbox version of gta 4 then come back. You'll see exactly what I mean.

#1: Why would I install an OLD game with OLD technology on a MAJORLY optimized engine that is used in millions of games programmed by some of the best game programmers on the planet that still does not do half of what GTA IV has to do on screen at any given time, to test and see what, that not only can I run GTA IV just fine at 30FPS, but I can also eat those games alive?

 

XBox version of GTA IV? Please... It has Nothing on the PC version's higher resolution, with the same lock ups ,freezes, and pop in that people with slow ram talk about. HEY now that you mention it, isn't the XBox 360 ram only 400MHZ?

 

Again, can't compare this game to a very small and trivial game like gears... there is nothing special about gears besides a third person view, ok? lol. Can't even compare this game to Crysis Warhead: Warhead is another example of a game that does things well, but not nearly as many things...

 

 

All due respect but this statement is a load of crap and an insult to many. My Dell XPS M1710 rig is nearly brand new from Dell and falls directly between mid/recommended specs. I've never had this much trouble getting a launch game to run properly. So you were one of the few people lucky enough to run the computer...that's great. But don't sit there and insist everybody else who is unable to run the game can't due so because of their incompetence with using a PC.

 

The only fact is that this game was poorly programmed and quite frankly is not ready for retail. They should have tested it on a wider variety of PC configurations, and then delayed the release date to remedy the problem.

 

Don't post stupid crap like this again. Many of us are enraged enough before listing to your nonsense.

 

Maybe you guys should ask me some questions or talk about the actual problems you are having then? And... One mo' time: How fast is your FSB and your RAM.

Man this is where your missing the point. Gears of war for pc has a lot of sh*tty code too but it runs 60+ frames all the time even on some crappier versions of ati 3800, and if you had the xbox 360 version and compare it to your computer screen you would see exactly what I mean.

 

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[TruXter]

Well I am not here to argue or win an argument.

I have done this for many years and by now know what I am doing. Each machine I installed the game on, ran about as I would expect. I did not overclock any of the machines, I just really hard on cooling them. It wasn't fun playing on them, but it worked as I would suspect. which seems to be better than what some of you report.

Sorry the game does not work for you.

 

Maybe you can try a help forum somewhere on upkeep for your machine.

 

 

Good Luck, Have Fun.

[chngdman]

ohhhh, you mean gears PC VS gears Xbox, not GTA IV xbox vs gears PC, lol, ok, I am with you now.

 

Yea, GTA IV kinda chugs and chugs for most on the xbox... pop in, frame rate drops low pretty often... I realize the game may run better on the hardware that version was optimized for, but you don't get nearly the experience you get on a PC (minus DLC, which we'll all have anyway, and probably freeeee <3)

 

I mean, don't you think things were done on each platform to make them run (consoles I mean) as good as possible? I promise you this, everyone here will be able to run this game flawlessly on their Next PC. Even if it is just entry level with a decent GFX card. Does that mean GTA IV should have waited for that market? f*ck no. Because as you can see, I would be put-out and deprived along with many others. Your next PC will run this game fine, your current one does not because there is some component in your PC that is slower than the rest and slowing you down all around as a result... Again, dude, I could be wrong, I don't work for Rockstar Toronto, but the only way I can produce the most common problems is to cap my components... Slowing my ram down has the most dreadful affects... And dell is well known for good PCs, but they use the same sh*t to market them, so you end up with a good PC, but you don't realize the FSB is slow, or the ram doesn't 1:1 with it - always a catch. Why? To sell you DELL CERTIFIED upgrades... Because dell is a retailer first, a PC company Second.)

 

For sh*ts and giggles, or maybe I can gurgle up some tips, can you post your specs, Z? And please include speeds as well (and I don't mean the kind they sell us on the box, none of this "2.8 ghz" stuff - I mean the FSB and DRAM speeds along with those marketing numbers )

 

edit 2: and with size of your L2?

Edited January 12, 2009 by chngdman

[GoreMaster]

Lol all you guys are so funny to me Since the beginning of the release of GTA 3 there was always pop ups and what not! And its funny that you guys think that you were ripped off! LOL! OMG! Why do so many of you think that anything is 100% perfect out of the box? The System Req's? Lol since when did they ever actually say the truth? Its not false information its real info but if they said this Min Specs is to run the game at least at 20FPS and it doesnt those specs than YES you have a arugment! But since they dont then its your fault for trying to play a game for future rigs with a rig that speaks only to the min Specs. For me the game runs fine once i turnoff the shadows to 0. The game runs smooth with close to 40 fps. I dont have a benchmark test since im at work ATM but im pretty sure i had 40 fps with these as the settings. 1680x1050 Med Texture High Rend 30 View 50 detail 50 Vehicle Density 0 Shadows. YES the game is poorly optimized but what do you expect? Its A Huge City Rendering Cars, Peds, Vehicles, Shadows, Reflections, View Distance. Its a huge game and for it to run as good as it does on my rig im actually impressed with my computer. I have a pretty decent rig

OS:XP SP3

Processor:AMD 8750 2.4Ghz (Triple Core) w/ Artic Cooling

Ram:Kingston HyperX 4 Gig Ram 1066mhz (32 bit os so like 3.25gb of ram is actually in use)

Video: Asus EAHTOPHD 4850 (680/1050Stock) 512 Mb

HD: 250Gb

Motherboard: Gigabyte Mobo 790x chipset

 

Im not saying that the Game Runs FINE like the other user has claimed it doesnt cuz it does have pop ins and pop outs. But Thats been like that since GTA 3. The game will only get better as time passes. Just be patient. The more patches and more updates for our GPU's the better it will be. By this time next year we "should" be running this game at some what 100% full speed. And alot of you with your rigs in the min specs go upgrade your rig! I know its expensive believe me i know! I just bought this rig for myself and its consider a budget Gaming Pc not sure what "budget" means cuz my rig cost about 1k in parts (everything new eg Screen, speakers) so to me thats alot to spend on one computer but this put me in a position for future upgrades. So stop the complaining and f*cking wait. At least this game plays not like Fallout 3.....Which that game doesnt even want to run for me after i put 50+ hours into it. (still w8 a patch from bethesda!)

[TruXter]

Finally someone with a tri core giving some specs and fps.

 

you sir are the first I have read.

[ZaCkOX]

 

ohhhh, you mean gears PC VS gears Xbox, not GTA IV xbox vs gears PC, lol, ok, I am with you now.

 

Yea, GTA IV kinda chugs and chugs for most on the xbox... pop in, frame rate drops low pretty often... I realize the game may run better on the hardware that version was optimized for, but you don't get nearly the experience you get on a PC (minus DLC, which we'll all have anyway, and probably freeeee <3)

 

I mean, don't you think things were done on each platform to make them run (consoles I mean) as good as possible? I promise you this, everyone here will be able to run this game flawlessly on their Next PC. Even if it is just entry level with a decent GFX card. Does that mean GTA IV should have waited for that market? f*ck no. Because as you can see, I would be put-out and deprived along with many others. Your next PC will run this game fine, your current one does not because there is some component in your PC that is slower than the rest and slowing you down all around as a result... Again, dude, I could be wrong, I don't work for Rockstar Toronto, but the only way I can produce the most common problems is to cap my components... Slowing my ram down has the most dreadful affects...

 

For sh*ts and giggles, or maybe I can gurgle up some tips, can you post your specs, Z? And please include speeds as well (and I don't mean the kind they sell us on the box, none of this "2.8 ghz" stuff - I mean the FSB and DRAM speeds along with those marketing numbers )

 

edit 2: and with size of your L2?

Ya I have super duper processors... 8 cores running at 3.1ghz, with 32 gbs of ram, 8 gbs of video ram, 10 TB of storage space, oh did I mention I run 8 monitors off of this? Now let me ask you for all of your specs? I can pick 10 out of this room and give you all my specs, it would mean nothing. Most of the computers in here are well worth playing gears of war for pc at 60 frames (highest settings), while all of them have problems running GTA 4. Plus GTA 4 for pc looks sh*tty!

 

Oh yes, I didn't mean look at gears of war for the xbox. I said look at it for the PC. It has a lot of crap code but it still shows how well they ported the game, and it runs very very well. There is respect for that but not for GTA 4.

[chngdman]

I must agree GoreMaster, especially the bit about optimaztion and how much can we expect for such a complicated piece of soft. Sometimes it's just better to wait until the hardware laughs at it then to throw millions at optimizations when you know current gaming PCs have no real problem anyway, and the millions would be for mainstream or low end PCs, which they will have to buy a new one Very Very soon anyway if they want to not fall out of touch, or worse, fall completely offline... Because big names in the net want more power for the web, they want web apps, they want your PC to stress at it - they feel locked in with HTML and even PHP does not suffice - we want real internet interactivity, and we can't do that until everyone is up to date. No need to help people hold onto old PCs - force the upgrade - and there is no better game to do it with than GTA IV... it has starpower like that... Like crysis 1 did...

 

Wow, tho, only 10 more FPS than me and I have a bare minimum Core 2 Duo and a whole series behind you on graphics card and my ram is half your speed! NOW I feel lucky and wonder if I just happened to get the one and only decent PCChips motherboard ever printed in 2006

 

[email protected], you still didn't tell me how fast your sh*t is... you told me capacity and rated processing... you did not tell me how good (fast) or bad (slow) all of that hardware with big numbers on it actually is... FSB speed? DRAM frequency? you only told me what they sold, not what you bought... Because you can have a trillion ghz processor, but guess what? If it is running on an 800mhz FSb, you won't get joy in GTA IV...

Edited January 12, 2009 by chngdman

[Geedoo]

It may start to feel like they gave up the pc gamers, but we all know that rockstar likes to use a long time with things.(Gta iv pc port was kinda rushed though)

[ZaCkOX]

I must agree GoreMaster, especially the bit about optimaztion and how much can we expect for such a complicated piece of soft. Sometimes it's just better to wait until the hardware laughs at it then to throw millions at optimizations when you know current gaming PCs have no real problem anyway, and the millions would be for mainstream or low end PCs, which they will have to buy a new one Very Very soon anyway if they want to not fall out of touch, or worse, fall completely offline... Because big names in the net want more power for the web, they want web apps, they want your PC to stress at it - they feel locked in with HTML and even PHP does not suffice - we want real internet interactivity, and we can't do that until everyone is up to date. No need to help people hold onto old PCs - force the upgrade - and there is no better game to do it with than GTA IV... it has starpower like that... Like crysis 1 did...

 

Wow, tho, only 10 more FPS than me and I have a bare minimum Core 2 Duo and a whole series behind you on graphics card and my ram is half your speed! NOW I feel lucky and wonder if I just happened to get the one and only decent PCChips motherboard ever printed in 2006

 

[email protected], you still didn't tell me how fast your sh*t is... you told me capacity and rated processing... you did not tell me how good (fast) or bad (slow) all of that hardware with big numbers on it actually is... FSB speed? DRAM frequency? you only told me what they sold, not what you bought...

ah nerd.... it's nerdy derdy

 

Intel, QX9770 3.2 ghz

Fsb 1600 mhz

L2 cache 12 mb

 

Corsair, DDR3 2000

 

There are your specs master blaster.

 

Now I'll go back to programming, call me when you catch me.

[kormgar]

Rockstar knew long before they released this that the minimum and recommended requirements weren't enough to play the game properly. So do you think we were deliberately misled by Rockstar, or were they just unaware of how poorly GTA4 the game actually was?

Nope. You are wrong. Rockstar didn't f*ck anyone. I HAVE minimum specs and I RUN THIS GAME perfectly fine. Fix your PC, learn to run a PC, learn to configure a PC, whatever it is, it is on YOUR OWN END, sorry. That is the Fact.

 

If your ram is slower than 533mhz, there is your problem.

 

If your FSB is slower than 1066mhz, there is your problem.

 

If your upgrades were just plugged in and not properly configured, whenever you upgraded, years ago or now, there is your problem.

 

No, rockstar didn't f*ck us, complainers are doing that. If you need help, please, outline your problem...

 

 

Neither screenshots nor trailers have shown that it would flicker, z-fight, pixel-noise and geometry/texture pop-in all over the screen like it has not been seen anymore in games for ages.

 

How fast is your ram and your video card? and how fast is your FSB? The oNLY way I can produce those errors (except zfighting, which is apparently ATI's fault) is by slowing down my speeds to under the ones I suggested above.

chngdman,

 

You're really missing the point, and managing to be a bit of an ass at the same time to boot. Might want to check that.

 

A majority of the complaints about this game appear to be coming from people with mid and high-end rigs who are forced to run the game at relatively low resolutions and graphics settings. Folks with low end systems expect to run the game at low resolutions with crappy graphics, so they aren't really likely to complain about it.

 

But here's the tip...even with the graphics maxed out the game looks and runs like crap. It is, by far, the ugliest A-List game in the last three years. I mean...seriously...no Anti-Aliasing...really? Forcing folks to downgrade their graphics settings due solely to the amount of video memory (thankfully bypassable via command line).

 

Let's not even talk about the horrible transparency maps or...shudder...shadows.

 

Congratulations that the game runs for you. No go away. Grownups are talking.

[ZaCkOX]

Rockstar knew long before they released this that the minimum and recommended requirements weren't enough to play the game properly. So do you think we were deliberately misled by Rockstar, or were they just unaware of how poorly GTA4 the game actually was?

Nope. You are wrong. Rockstar didn't f*ck anyone. I HAVE minimum specs and I RUN THIS GAME perfectly fine. Fix your PC, learn to run a PC, learn to configure a PC, whatever it is, it is on YOUR OWN END, sorry. That is the Fact.

 

If your ram is slower than 533mhz, there is your problem.

 

If your FSB is slower than 1066mhz, there is your problem.

 

If your upgrades were just plugged in and not properly configured, whenever you upgraded, years ago or now, there is your problem.

 

No, rockstar didn't f*ck us, complainers are doing that. If you need help, please, outline your problem...

 

 

Neither screenshots nor trailers have shown that it would flicker, z-fight, pixel-noise and geometry/texture pop-in all over the screen like it has not been seen anymore in games for ages.

 

How fast is your ram and your video card? and how fast is your FSB? The oNLY way I can produce those errors (except zfighting, which is apparently ATI's fault) is by slowing down my speeds to under the ones I suggested above.

chngdman,

 

You're really missing the point, and managing to be a bit of an ass at the same time to boot. Might want to check that.

 

A majority of the complaints about this game appear to be coming from people with mid and high-end rigs who are forced to run the game at relatively low resolutions and graphics settings. Folks with low end systems expect to run the game at low resolutions with crappy graphics, so they aren't really likely to complain about it.

 

But here's the tip...even with the graphics maxed out the game looks and runs like crap. It is, by far, the ugliest A-List game in the last three years. I mean...seriously...no Anti-Aliasing...really? Forcing folks to downgrade their graphics settings due solely to the amount of video memory (thankfully bypassable via command line).

 

Let's not even talk about the horrible transparency maps or...shudder...shadows.

 

Congratulations that the game runs for you. No go away. Grownups are talking.

A++++++

 

Man well said.

 

Finally someone that sees it just like I do! LoL.

[chngdman]

Wow, so I'd have to, regrettably, say you both don't see it at all.

 

And those are your specs? Lies. No way, because again, refer to my benchmark. If you have THOSE specs, then you are running better than me, and if you are not, well, I hate be right, or to say I told you so, but, get control of your system, because it's going to waste under your current hand...

 

Korm, AA is a smoke and mirror trick, a thing of the past, thank god. And if you NEED AA because you can't go above 1440x900 and enable p blur, then sorry, you fall into the group of people on "past PCs" as "future PCs" are what this game are for then, is that the casE? I don't think I'm being a dick here, nor earlier, if anything, I'll help whoever I can, it's actually the main reason I'm here... to help... So, i'm sorry if my words make you madder, I suppose you guys are well frustrated.

 

 

Let's not even talk about the horrible transparency maps or...shudder...shadows.

 

Absolutely nothing wrong with shadows or alphas at a proper resolution. If you are under 2000x resolution, enable p blur until you buy a good monitor (not saying your monitor or video card is bad, just saying if you have THESE complaints, you need higher resolution, because I can only agree with above quote if I go to 1280 or lower)

 

Best alphas in any gta game, and best shadows I have ever seen in any game... with a good resolution set, and P on, of course... And at FULL res this game supports, on my next pc, I wont even run P blur effect, because the dots will make sense to us all at that point, because they wont be dots anymore...

Edited January 12, 2009 by chngdman

[kormgar]

 

Wow, so I'd have to, regrettably, say you both don't see it at all.

 

And those are your specs? Lies. No way, because again, refer to my benchmark. If you have THOSE specs, then you are running better than me, and if you are not, well, I hate be right, or to say I told you so, but, get control of your system, because it's going to waste under your current hand...

 

Korm, AA is a smoke and mirror trick, a thing of the past, thank god. And if you NEED AA because you can't go above 1440x900 and enable p blur, then sorry, you fall into the group of people on "past PCs" as "future PCs" are what this game are for then, is that the casE? I don't think I'm being a dick here, nor earlier, if anything, I'll help whoever I can, it's actually the main reason I'm here... to help... So, i'm sorry if my words make you madder, I suppose you guys are well frustrated.

 

 

Let's not even talk about the horrible transparency maps or...shudder...shadows.

 

Absolutely nothing wrong with shadows or alphas at a proper resolution. If you are under 2000x resolution, enable p blur until you buy a good monitor (not saying your monitor or video card is bad, just saying if you have THESE complaints, you need higher resolution, because I can only agree with above quote if I go to 1280 or lower)

 

Best alphas in any gta game, and best shadows I have ever seen in any game... with a good resolution set, and P on, of course... And at FULL res this game supports, on my next pc, I wont even run P blur effect, because the dots will make sense to us all at that point, because they wont be dots anymore...

Wow...you really like to hear yourself type, don't ya? Next time try typing about something that you actually understand.

 

Anti-Aliasing is a method to reduce jaggies by rendering portions (depending on the method) of a scene at a high resolution internally, performing some averaging calculations, and then outputting the scene at your screen resolution.

 

The net effect is to limit the stair-step effect by aliasing the edges of objects, textures, etc. The best method for most gaming purposes seems to be edge-detect anti-aliasing which conserves resources by only rendering the edges of objects at the high resolution (the earliest versions rendered the entire scene at the high resolution)

 

Now, one purpose of anti-aliasing is to make low resolutions look a little less crappy. But even extremely high resolutions generally need anti-aliasing.

 

Why? Well, lost of reasons. One big one is that any decent quality monitor will still show jaggies at 1080p or higher resolutions, although crappy monitors don't have this problem (on account of the general fuzziness). Another big reason is Moire effects...which is one of the things that drives me nuts in GTA 4 and is totally inexcusable in a modern title. And I run the game at 1080P

 

But then again, you seem to think that the GTA shadows look good...so I can only assume that you and I have a very different understanding of esthetics.

 

I think I'll leave it at that.

Edited January 12, 2009 by kormgar

[ZaCkOX]

Wow, so I'd have to, regrettably, say you both don't see it at all.

 

And those are your specs? Lies. No way, because again, refer to my benchmark. If you have THOSE specs, then you are running better than me, and if you are not, well, I hate be right, or to say I told you so, but, get control of your system, because it's going to waste under your current hand...

 

Korm, AA is a smoke and mirror trick, a thing of the past, thank god. And if you NEED AA because you can't go above 1440x900 and enable p blur, then sorry, you fall into the group of people on "past PCs" as "future PCs" are what this game are for then, is that the casE? I don't think I'm being a dick here, nor earlier, if anything, I'll help whoever I can, it's actually the main reason I'm here... to help... So, i'm sorry if my words make you madder, I suppose you guys are well frustrated.

 

 

Let's not even talk about the horrible transparency maps or...shudder...shadows.

 

Absolutely nothing wrong with shadows or alphas at a proper resolution. If you are under 2000x resolution, enable p blur until you buy a good monitor (not saying your monitor or video card is bad, just saying if you have THESE complaints, you need higher resolution, because I can only agree with above quote if I go to 1280 or lower)

Ok I won't get so mad anymore by your responses. I'll calmly try to explain to you.

 

Do you know what bottleneck code is?

[chngdman]

Nah, not code. Only that 533mhz ram is useless if you have an 800mhz FSB slowing it down to 400mhz, or that a 1066mhz FSB is overkill for if you have ram under 533mhz, stuff like that... What is bottleneck code? Is it something that's caused when porting or something? I appreciate you hearing me out, I'm not trying to pour gas on the fire, I just want to help, and if it's a hardware frequency thing, it can really only be solved by hardware upgrades

[Sorkenlol]

Feels like I'm playing a beta with the bugs and bad porting, as if they rushed the game without testing it properly. I hope they'll fix it for the sake of their company so that they might be able to give us something better for the next time. GTA IV isn't at all comparable to vice city or SA when it comes to storyline and missions, which makes me sad. There's too much "Kill that foo'" "Smoke that cracker" "Silence this guy" etc.

[Kurgen]

kormgar,

 

chngdman has been bleating that crap about AA for weeks now, and has completely (conveniently) ignored all advice to the contrary. He has no clue what he's talking about; something that can easily be levelled at the majority of those with rose-tinted "IT RUNS FINE!" glasses on. Specifically, the two or three stooges who've dragged this thread into an ignorance-fest.

 

 

[GoreMaster]

Whats with you ppl with AA? I have no problem with the game having no real option for AA if you want AA put the "P" on the motion blur. Itll help with things looking smooth yes its lil bit blurry but the game runs flawlessly with that on. Definitely if you use the moded motion blur settings (forgot what user made this sorry but it works great highly recommend) You ppl thinking the game looks like crap cuz there is no AA you must be using the game in a small resolution. Either A you have a sh*tty Screen that only supports Small Res or B you have a sh*tty GPU that doesnt offer more than 1024x768.....To me at 1680x1050 the game has its Jaggedness But not as much as if you were using 800x600.....This game is the future if you can come up with a better codding and programming of a breathing and living city then go ahead and make my day. But im sure most of you can not Including myself cant make a better game. JUST f*ckING WAIT till more patches come out. Those of you with the "Min Specs" use this time of waiting for another patch to save up for new parts... If you use everything in ur current computer but upgrade the essentials Eg Processor, GPU, Ram and A New Mobo. You can make a system that can run this game with at least med texture at least at 1680x1050 for easy amount for $500 and run the game with 30 fps consistent. Yes your going have to spend money....But sh*t if you thought that your Current MIN SPEC machine can handle this game then your just fooling yourself...I would suggest saving for a xbox ($150 + $60= $210 To play gta 4 on xbox360) so those of you complaining that your low end Machine cant play this game then do yourself a favor Shut the f*ck up and save for upgrades or sit your ass down a play this Great Game on the 360. Myself i own both the 360 (Got it the night of release) and the PC (Got it Dec 2) The Pc hands down looks 10x better than the 360. The 360 to me has way less pop ups but that might be because of the fact the game runs at like 10 view distance and 20 detail distance and at mixture of low texture and med texture. See while the Pc Can offer so much more if you spent time building a computer than just using ur POS Dell Configured System.....IM TOTALLY WITH ROCKSTAR AND ITS PRODUCTS. I always be happy with what they offer and always buy their games. Cuz ive been around these games since the first....Does anyone remember playing GTA 2 on the gameboy? I sure do. And Come on these Ppl at rockstar Have lives too. Have kids and Families. Imagine you spending 3+ years in a row just Trial and Erroring a Game instead of spending time with ppl in ur life. f*ck. All you guys need to f*ckin chill and get a bong and grind some motha f*ckin weed. Get high as f*ck and play this game....its so fun. Sorry for my Rant but i needed to express my feelings to all of you HATERS. If you want to play Rock solid GTA Game then Play GTA SA.....Even though i do recall that game Having No Real View Distance.....And WAY WAY More Pop ups...

[ZaCkOX]

 

Nah, not code. Only that 533mhz ram is useless if you have an 800mhz FSB slowing it down to 400mhz, or that a 1066mhz FSB is overkill for if you have ram under 533mhz, stuff like that... What is bottleneck code? Is it something that's caused when porting or something? I appreciate you hearing me out, I'm not trying to pour gas on the fire, I just want to help, and if it's a hardware frequency thing, it can really only be solved by hardware upgrades 

No, I'll try to make it easier for everyone that doesn't know.

 

Bottleneck - Imagine a funnel on top of a cup. Your objective is to pour as much water as you can into this cup. But there is a funnel and when you pour, you notice only a little bit of water can go into the cup at a time. However if you remove the funnel, and pour water, well then it's in instantly.

 

Bottleneck code is just this. Your making your processor undergo a lot of commands, and because of poor codding your game can be super slow. However if you look at the code that is causing this problem, you can remove lines, sections, and even write a better method for running through commands. When you now run your game it runs super smooth and super fast.

 

I find it's the program more often than it is the hardware.

 

Good examples:

 

Windows 98 - Windows XP

Windows XP - Vista

Windows XP, Vista - Windows 7 (much faster) No new hardware required.

[ZaCkOX]

Whats with you ppl with AA? I have no problem with the game having no real option for AA if you want AA put the "P" on the motion blur. Itll help with things looking smooth yes its lil bit blurry but the game runs flawlessly with that on. Definitely if you use the moded motion blur settings (forgot what user made this sorry but it works great highly recommend) You ppl thinking the game looks like crap cuz there is no AA you must be using the game in a small resolution. Either A you have a sh*tty Screen that only supports Small Res or B you have a sh*tty GPU that doesnt offer more than 1024x768.....To me at 1680x1050 the game has its Jaggedness But not as much as if you were using 800x600.....This game is the future if you can come up with a better codding and programming of a breathing and living city then go ahead and make my day. But im sure most of you can not Including myself cant make a better game. JUST f*ckING WAIT till more patches come out. Those of you with the "Min Specs" use this time of waiting for another patch to save up for new parts... If you use everything in ur current computer but upgrade the essentials Eg Processor, GPU, Ram and A New Mobo. You can make a system that can run this game with at least med texture at least at 1680x1050 for easy amount for $500 and run the game with 30 fps consistent. Yes your going have to spend money....But sh*t if you thought that your Current MIN SPEC machine can handle this game then your just fooling yourself...I would suggest saving for a xbox ($150 + $60= $210 To play gta 4 on xbox360) so those of you complaining that your low end Machine cant play this game then do yourself a favor Shut the f*ck up and save for upgrades or sit your ass down a play this Great Game on the 360. Myself i own both the 360 (Got it the night of release) and the PC (Got it Dec 2) The Pc hands down looks 10x better than the 360. The 360 to me has way less pop ups but that might be because of the fact the game runs at like 10 view distance and 20 detail distance and at mixture of low texture and med texture. See while the Pc Can offer so much more if you spent time building a computer than just using ur POS Dell Configured System.....IM TOTALLY WITH ROCKSTAR AND ITS PRODUCTS. I always be happy with what they offer and always buy their games. Cuz ive been around these games since the first....Does anyone remember playing GTA 2 on the gameboy? I sure do. And Come on these Ppl at rockstar Have lives too. Have kids and Families. Imagine you spending 3+ years in a row just Trial and Erroring a Game instead of spending time with ppl in ur life. f*ck. All you guys need to f*ckin chill and get a bong and grind some motha f*ckin weed. Get high as f*ck and play this game....its so fun. Sorry for my Rant but i needed to express my feelings to all of you HATERS. If you want to play Rock solid GTA Game then Play GTA SA.....Even though i do recall that game Having No Real View Distance.....And WAY WAY More Pop ups...

Please, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, use spaces, indent! Something!

 

I hate reading like this! LoL.

[Ardbug]

 

And those are your specs? Lies. No way, because again, refer to my benchmark.

That quote right there is why you fail to understand their points about bad performance, you assume that because your game is working, then everybodys game must work, Im glad you are able to run it fine, but many of us are not that lucky, and I mean lucky, Im on a midend system, q6600, 2gb 667mhz ram, 9800gtx+, vista 64bit, and have gone above and beyond what anyone can be expected to do to get this game running, all my drivers are 100% up to date, when I first got the game it ran like a nightmare, now it performs like a champion for 20-30 minutes, then the "memory leak" kicks in wich slows down my framerate over time, my problem is prolly vista64+2gb ram, and Im working on more ram, but the fact remains that the game is pretty much unplayable after 30 minutes of play on specifications that clearly surpass the minimum required, wich is 1.5gb ram for running it under the vista OS.

 

You naturally dont understand the nature of the problems others are having since your game is working for you, then why do you come into a thread made by people with severe problems, and call them liars when they claim to have problems ??

Edited January 12, 2009 by Ardbug

[GoreMaster]

Sorry for my long post ill try to make things more R E A D A B L E for you.

 

Well i dont think anyone is calling anyone a liar....I imagine there are thousands of possible PC builds for ppl to build and for every single one to work 100% is just idiotic. More than likely when R* was porting this game from the consoles to the pc they probably only had a few PC builds to choose. So yes everyone is Right. R* should have taken more time to optimize the game but they cant always push the dates further and further. (Indent) The reason they cant is because they themselves as a company has a deadline from Take2 ( i believe) to release the game. Yes they released a game that has more bugs then fingers and toes on my body right before Christmas, to me and many others feel as if they rushed the game to release it before christmas for the holiday sales. (INDENT) I bet they had to release it because they needed more money so they can spend more time optimizing the game and making it worth our wild. Having 50+ Ppl working on a game day in and day out is expensive operation.

 

So Seriously these threads are useless....Ur not going to make anything better by complaining how badly the game runs on your Min Spec Machine. I know alot of you are saying BUT GoreMaster your a Fag and your wrong Cuz i have a High End Computer and its TOTALLY Better than yours and its Plays Like a Slide Show. All i can say is this YOUR DOING SOMETHING WRONG! Everything in a computer needs to be able to work fluently with each other....CPU cant be P4 and have a GPU be 4870x2 and expect it to work Flawlessly because ur wrong Your going to Cause Bottlenecking with the CPU being over used and your GPU being underused. See what im saying? NO? Then i dont know what to say but to tell you to wait when there are more patches and Tweaks to be used with this game.... For all of you to say that this Game is sh*tty and its a horrible port. STOP PLAYING THE GAME! for now because not even once have i ever seen game with the version saying 1.0 play flawlessly with no bugs what so ever.

 

Look at WoW for example (for dear god yes i know its not GTA 4 but its not the point) at first that game Had tons and tons of bugs but if you look now they are on version 3 something and have had over 20 patches and the game still suffers from bugs. You cant stop a game from having bugs, the reason is the game itself can get confused and start producing bugs and cause CTD. Since there are 100's of different kinds of PC builds out there, There is no way in hell R* would be able to fix every single bug at the day of release. Its going to take time for this game to be Flawless.....W8 till there is a V2 of this game and itll run as smooth as butter and you will realize that all that time you spent on the Forums complaining over and over again about how ur Mothers PC doesnt run GTA like your Dads 360 does will be wasted.

 

SO chill the f*ck out and play the game. Enjoy the game at its buggy stage while it lasts cuz ur not going to be able to remember them in the next year.

[ZaCkOX]

It's Half Time!

 

Let's look at the teams.

 

Team - Rockstar f*cked Us

LanceLongstiff

flyer2359

Goatman455

Lastsource

nynth.plague

nitro_hedgehog

Pooscooper

nvr2fst

OabAli

bpx

ZaCkOX

Blazur

Geedoo

kormgar

Sorkenlol

Kurgen

Ardbug

 

Team - Perfectly Fine

CharmingCharlie

chngdman

SativaHaze

Vive La France

TruXter

 

Team - Neutral

Drag_Drift

pLaTaNo

Dungeoncrawler

GoreMaster

 

With a chance of people moving from team to team. Some it was hard to decide which team.

 

!!GAME ON!!

[thales100]

Let me in the Perfectly Fine team too.