SuperJude™ Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I looked at your HUGE wall'o'text and all I read was "he was right, I was griefing and didn't even think about it" Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058902458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Und3r5c0r3 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) Heh, for a sec I thought "Crap, where did I write that?" Lol, but really, "griefing," from what I understand, can roughly be defined as continuously doing something to prevent someone from doing what they want to have fun in a game. So griefing applied to a forum environment would be continuously preventing someone from posting what they want to get their ideas across, which I have not done. You, Rudy, and anyone else can post all the counterarguments they want. I will do nothing to stop it except reply with counterarguments of my own Edited January 23, 2009 by Und3r5c0r3 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058902474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJude™ Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Actually, I think the debate is good, I just question the logic of judging how somebodies personal life is based on how they game. This is why I included some random flame about your "real life" in an earlier post, to illustrate how meaningless that is. Obviously griefing isn't the most glorious of pursuits and isn't for everybody. At the same time, we're talking about a video game based on violence with a large amount of players who have an attitude problem. I've run into countless racists, been called a filthy jew, a n****r, a dirty American c*nt. I've had people start voting to kick me because I didn't have an 8, 9 or 10 star, been cursed at and had my family insulted because I joined the wrong team, etc. Not that it justifies, of course. I feel no need to justify, I do what I do and in fact I'm pretty impressed so many people here openly admit to their deeds because in the entirety of the GTA community, we are totally outnumbered by the amount of griefers online, many who lurk here I bet. In the end, all I know is I like the people from here I game with and I've played a lot of great games for real and had a lot of laughs when griefing, which many times is really us just griefing eachother for laughs. Laughs being the point. Too many people spend their whole time being way too serious! Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058902507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudykb Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 Awwwwww, poor Princess So I suck at arguing because I won't explain myself to some miserable little sh*tbird trying to pick a fight? Why should I have to explain to you why I play the way I do? I don't, so I won't. It's really quite simple. It's called an imagination. I imagined the scenario for my analogy, I imagined what it would be like to be the victim of a griefer. That fact that you're resorting to mindless insulting tells me that I'm winning the argument. Ummm no. Whether you admit or not, your argument is f*ckin' absurd. That would be like if I said that playing serious is like being a violinist at the symphony orchestra. Completely irrelevant. Just like a certain Princess I know! Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058902631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_p1980 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I f***in hate griefers the best thing I can suggest and it's what I do all the time is to just fight back, sure if you're crap like me you'll die over and over again, you might get them a few times too but I continue to hound them, eventually when they want to start play serious with their boyfriends you grief them and spoil their fun, just as they did yours, until they leave. When they leave I check their status to see what game their playing on and if they're in a different GTA IV lobby I join that game and make it as hard as possible for them to play. The key is, even griefers will want to play seriously at some point, and thats the time to get them. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058902850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJohn666 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) Wow, I take time to type out a calm, non-flaming post with logical reasoning, No, you didn't. You reacted emotionally to some words/opinions on an Internet forum. P.S all companies involved with all online games use the disclaimer "[we are] not responsible for [some] online content" thus removing any form of policing activities - such as "griefing" - by users which are not considered illegal in their countries of residence. P.P.S "griefing" as it is being referred to here, is just another example of using the openness of the game environment to derive amusement. See also "modding", "glitching" and "roaming". FIN. Edited January 23, 2009 by MrJohn666 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058902867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJude™ Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) The key is, even griefers will want to play seriously at some point, and thats the time to get them. If they are playing seriously, then they aren't griefing, so how could you possibly know them to be griefers? I, of course, totally play for real which is why I split accounts. Obviously, I've been griefed while using my SJ account but unlike many people, I have a sense of humor about it and laugh at the karmic retribution, thinking to myself "hah, I certainly had this coming!" No, the only people that truly piss me off are the people who are truly elitist, mean, racist or play using lagged connections. Edited To Add: My comments about x_STREETKING_x using a lag switch were proven wrong by somebody who knows them and let me know the kid just has a really sh*tty connection. Edited January 27, 2009 by SuperJude™ Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058902996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacMaan Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 From my MTA experience i know "bad connections" are a cunning tactic. Its like an impenetrable shield of lag around someones car, ready to warp and smash you off the track should you get too close. Yet another reason why server admins would be beneficial Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058903061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double_Deagle Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Is it just me or is this whole discussion reproducing itself with every fifth or sixth post... I mean...is anyone getting anywhere with all this? Only thing I read is "you're an idiot" "no, you're an idiot" "no, you're more of an idiot" "no, you're really most an idiot that can ever be"... This here helps noone. In fact John, Jude & Co are right...if you dont like how players in one room play the game, get to another...you shouldnt feel worthless cause someone griefed you. In my opinion this all makes very little sense..no offense though...but you could spend more time on gta except of arguing about bullsh*t over here... Oh...almost forgot... Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058903066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacMaan Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Hm. I dont wanna sound like a Miss World contestant, but can't we all just get along? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058903075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJohn666 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Hm. I dont wanna sound like a Miss World contestant, but can't we all just get along? Only if you show us your tits. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058903124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[FoxCelco] Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 He's right. Boobs bring peace and love Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058903138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double_Deagle Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) there you go! Pacs boobs! Now shut up! Edited January 23, 2009 by Double_Deagle Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058903229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti27 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Have you betrayed that guy yet? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058903260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJohn666 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) Actually, can we see this Miss World contestant please? Beauty Loses Hands and Feet A STUNNING Miss World finalist had her hands and feet amputated – after contracting a killer bug, according to reports. Doctors carried out the drastic surgery on Mariana Bridi da Costa after she was struck down with a urinary disease – which can be fatal. Her boyfriend Thiago Simoes said 20-year-old Mariana fell ill on December 30 – but was initially misdiagnosed with kidney stones. The infection quickly spread – causing her to go back to hospital for tests that revealed her condition. Septicaemia set in her limbs, cutting off circulation and forcing doctors to amputate her hands and feet. Devastated Mr Simoes said: "We are all absolutely distraught and are just praying now that she can pull through. "She fell ill on December 30 and we took her to hospital where she was misdiagnosed with a kidney stone. "They gave her some medicine and sent her home. But two days later she started getting worse. We took her back to hospital and they said she had a very serious infection. She got more and more sick, and had no blood circulation to her limbs. First she lost her feet, then on Tuesday she lost both her hands. But she is a very strong person and we just want her to survive." Her father, Agnaldo da Costa, told a Brazilian newspaper that "the concern is over her life". Mariana twice made it to the national finals of the Miss World contest and last year travelled to China to participate in the Miss Bikini International pageant. Edited January 23, 2009 by MrJohn666 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058903414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double_Deagle Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Damn! I'm online @ GTA in a few! I need to shoot some guys whos PSN-names sound like diseases! Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058903435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
explicitmo Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Reminds me, Jude, that office space we wanted to rent so we can fully manage our operation has been snapped up by a rival griefing consortium, so how about plan B, the church hall in the village? We can meet every third Tuesday, I'll make punch and pie. Awesome, I can make some really kick ass tapas and spanikopitas. Gotta watch those blood sugar levels while we're plotting our PS3 (and ultimately world) domination. Then, 2 years from now, all these haters will come CRAWLING back, claiming they were really griefers all along. I will take that moment to say "No... no tapas or spanikopitas for you" using a high pitched voice changer, of course. Still the most entertaining threads around here. How to join the darkside? Regular TDMing and TWing is slowely loosing it's fun for me. The guys who are competition are barely on anymore and L.C. nowadays is full of level 1 dudes that don't even deserve loosing a fair battle with 2 shots to the dome! I got love for tapas and spanikopitas and a second account to download all those demos of games that the european PS-stores don't care about having!! If your looking to make the grief-squad bigger just send me an XMB-message saying "Let's go and smoke a fag!" or something in either british or american accent and I'll give you my 2nd PSN for the add. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058903526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAMBLAM82 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 yeah, I've made over $1.300.000 on taxiing races just straight up killing people and believe me you get a lot of hate mail! I find it hilarious. Although I only do that to annoy people. I made the bulk of my $6million plus on DM, if anyone can check my stats do you know if anybody else has as good a kill 2 death ratio as mine? On taxiing i have about 12,000 kills and 800 deaths Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058903586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big-Money Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 whats this guys PSN ? LOL i dont understand where u wrote his psn but But i would really like 2 see if hes like that LOL Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058903777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big-Money Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 im gonna add this dude LOL Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058903790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacMaan Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 If i had boobs like that i would never leave the house Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058903826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big-Money Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 If i had boobs like that i would never leave the house lol me neither Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058904172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Und3r5c0r3 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) Another big wall o' text, here Awwwwww, poor Princess So I suck at arguing because I won't explain myself to some miserable little sh*tbird trying to pick a fight? Why should I have to explain to you why I play the way I do? I don't, so I won't. It's really quite simple. It's called an imagination. I imagined the scenario for my analogy, I imagined what it would be like to be the victim of a griefer. That fact that you're resorting to mindless insulting tells me that I'm winning the argument. Ummm no. Whether you admit or not, your argument is f*ckin' absurd. That would be like if I said that playing serious is like being a violinist at the symphony orchestra. Completely irrelevant. Just like a certain Princess I know! If you read the last few posts of this debate, you'll probably realize that I'm not the one who seems to be "trying to pick a fight." You're the one making entire posts devoted to the purpose of insults and flaming. I was doing the same thing at first, but I have since corrected myself by using logic instead of insults like "sh*tbird" and "dickweasel." And my argument is NOT absurd! OK, OK, I admit that the whole father-daughter thing was over the top. We have established this already! But no matter what you say, that analogy wasn't totally irrelevant. Over the top, yes. Irrelevant, no. And I believe I explained why it wasn't irrelevant in a previous post. Now, saying that playing seriously is like being a violinist is irrelevant, because you haven't explained why playing seriously is like being a violinist. And being a violinist is nothing like playing a video game. My father-daughter scenario was similar to someone being griefed in the aspect that both involved unprovoked harassment of someone. You can keep insulting me and keep calling me a princess all you want. But me being a "sh*tbird" (where do you come up with these insults? ) is no excuse for not coming up with a valid argument to defend your point of view. You don't have to defend the way you play, and you won't defend the way you play, because it has become apparent that you can't defend the way you play. If you actually can come up with an argument to defend your point of view, then why don't you? Your refusal to make a counterargument against me is just convincing me that I have checkmated you in this debate, but you are too stubborn to be mature about it. Insulting and flaming me is just fueling me to continue to reply, highlighting all the deficiencies in your posts. Actually, I think the debate is good, I just question the logic of judging how somebodies personal life is based on how they game. This is why I included some random flame about your "real life" in an earlier post, to illustrate how meaningless that is. Obviously griefing isn't the most glorious of pursuits and isn't for everybody. At the same time, we're talking about a video game based on violence with a large amount of players who have an attitude problem. I've run into countless racists, been called a filthy jew, a n****r, a dirty American c*nt. I've had people start voting to kick me because I didn't have an 8, 9 or 10 star, been cursed at and had my family insulted because I joined the wrong team, etc. Not that it justifies, of course. I feel no need to justify, I do what I do and in fact I'm pretty impressed so many people here openly admit to their deeds because in the entirety of the GTA community, we are totally outnumbered by the amount of griefers online, many who lurk here I bet. In the end, all I know is I like the people from here I game with and I've played a lot of great games for real and had a lot of laughs when griefing, which many times is really us just griefing eachother for laughs. Laughs being the point. Too many people spend their whole time being way too serious! Yeah, you're right. Personal lives have nothing to do with it. And your post has been the first to make me think griefing isn't so bad after all, because you're right. It's all about laughs, and people taking things too seriously is ultimately what turns the whole thing into a negative experience. However, it seems that many griefers don't think this way. In fact, this conclusion can be derived from the title of "griefer." Griefers usually aren't looking to have a fun time with everyone. They are usually trying to cause grief. So that makes it just a frustrating experience for everyone except the griefer, which isn't really fair. And then, to add to that, griefers have the nerve to call their victims losers etc. because the victims get so mad. I doubt many of us can honestly admit that we don't get frustrated when someone on our team in TDM starts teamkilling everyone, completely unprovoked and without warning. It's a frustrating experience. Well, I want to say sorry for the insults I've thrown in this topic. I just get too worked up because I'm so anxious to post my arguments and get my point across. And I get mad when people, who won't even bother to read my arguments, have the nerve to call my arguments irrelevant without explaining their irrelevancy. Edited January 23, 2009 by Und3r5c0r3 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058904378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJude™ Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) sh*tbird is an old school military insult, FYI. Edited January 23, 2009 by SuperJude™ Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058904385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Und3r5c0r3 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Well that explains "sh*tbird" then. But I'm still wondering about "dickweasel" Just another one of those new-fangled cuss word hybrids, I'm guessing. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058904439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristopherD Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 ' date='Jan 23 2009, 00:19'] this thread is a minefield DANGER! lmao <<tiptoes into the room...stands in one place>> @Und3r5c0r3: Dude... You ARE being griefed...HERE...RIGHT NOW...just cuz its in a forum instead of a video game means nothing. <<intentionally steps on a mine and...BOOM...blows up everyone in the room>> Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058904445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAMBLAM82 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 SOMEONE ADD ME:*- BlamBlam82 I want someone to tell me if anyone has a better kill to death ratio than me on DM and TDM and also I want to know if anyone has more kills on taxiing GTA race. I'm not being funny, but everytime i play i get asked 'what are the cheats?' coz i'm so good at killing yanks. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058904810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammyman88 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Hahahahahahahahaha This is funny. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058905065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[FoxCelco] Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 SOMEONE ADD ME:*- BlamBlam82 I want someone to tell me if anyone has a better kill to death ratio than me on DM and TDM and also I want to know if anyone has more kills on taxiing GTA race. I'm not being funny, but everytime i play i get asked 'what are the cheats?' coz i'm so good at killing yanks. i think the only person may be chuck norris but then again, you are pretty good Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058905492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrewedYou Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 The other night I was griefing a guy in Race. I was getting him pretty good, but the rest of the field absolutely sucked and had little chance to win whether I griefed him or not. Therefore he felt it necessary to say that I sucked and couldn't race, that he was still winning most races even though I'm hitting him...etc...OH YEAH, you're so good! Being a pretty good level 5 but racing against a pack of sorry ass 0's, 1'2 and 2's? LOL I told him I did not suck, but I wasn't quite able to back up my talk because the pack of racers was so awful that I kept getting tied up in their pile up or screwed by lag, somehow the other guy was able to clear the pack. Funny thing is I've raced with the guy before on my non-griefer account and have beat him quite a bit. Now I must dedicate myself to finding him and beating the sh*t out of him straight up to make up for my lack of ability to do so the other night.... What was his name? J-Snake_88 if I remember correctly. He's a pretty good racer, I'll give him that for sure....but his assumption that I was not is far off. Unfortunately it was just one of those nights where I seemed to be hitting everything in the game...even sh*t that wasn't there!! Haven't found him in Race since, just saw him leave a GTA Race a few nights ago though. OMG! I've seen this guy in several races the last few nights. He is pretty good, I agree. We were pretty much neck and neck whenever I played him. We were doing Industrial Action the last time I saw him. We were going around that final corner before the stretch run to the end, when I hit that f*cking invisible curb/barrier thing and got knocked off the course. I knew there was no way to catch him so I left the game. He proceeded to send me hate mail, asking how I got to level 8 playing like such sh*t. I've decided to grief him every time I see him from this point on. Especially now that I know he sent hate messages to you too. Yeah I honestly didn't really intend to grief him the first time I did. I had someone else selected but right when I was going for that person they wrecked badly and went off the road and I hit snake instead. He immediately started to spawn kick me so I decided to refocus my efforts onto him. He had some long hate mail too, man....either he's got one of those little bluetooth keyboards or he's quick on the d-pad!! Is that invisible curb you mention on I.A. the last left, where if you cut it too tight you're all done? Yeah...I learned quickly to avoid cutting that one. Lost many a race thanks to that. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/391327-i-just-met-the-most-bitter-player-in-gta-history/page/4/#findComment-1058905578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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