Rockstar Games gave up?

[Dungeoncrawler]

I had posted an email to the RS support site last week and received a reply today concerning a 2nd patch:

 

 

 

Hello,

 

Unfortunately, even if we knew something about a future update we aren't allowed to disclose any information regarding updates. The best thing i can say to this is that you will know about any updates to the game when it is posted on the Rockstar Games web site.

 

Kind Regards,

2K Games Technical Support

 

Didn't figure I would get any substantial info but thought it was worth a try. However, I did appreciate the reply.

 

Dc

[DIRTYDUNKY]

well the free trial version for the program i was using just expired

now i cant play GTA4 at all unless i pay another 29 bucks on top of the 50 i payed for the game already

 

thanks for the quick response r*

 

 

[ZaCkOX]

Just like some of you stated I also believe there is a huge possibility no new patch will be coming. And if maybe so, it won't be so helpful. Rockstar already commited to many lies with "GTA 4" for PC. And you tell me if they say they will support it but don't show real truth to their word anymore... you believe it? Their support is horrible, Toronto only answers to temporary fixes, IF HE KNOWS WHAT IS WRONG.... and most of the temporary fixes still DON'T WORK. If anything he should prove that they aren't lying anymore and that the franchise will do something about this. If they don't, I don't think a lot of people realise how bad this will affect them. They just brush it off, but now there is no new opportunity for the game. I bought it for the console and PC, but I won't buy anything from them again, because I feel they stole my money. That means when I bought 4 copies for my Xbox 360's I didn't get 9 copies for my PCs. So yes it will effect them, I tell all my friends not to get it, and that is a very bad thing for Rockstar, VERY BAD.

 

If you sale a product that is horrible expect the feedback to be 2 TIMES told, word of mouth. <- If the quality of the product and experience is the worst, and yes it is! The more people will say something about it.

 

If you sale a product that is great expect the feedback to be told 1 time and sometimes not.

 

I would say that is true, considering the forums is full of conflicting bugs, tweaks, glitches, cheating, and a lot of pissed off consumers, some die hard fanboys. I still don't get how people say this game is fine but yet they use all these tweaks to make it just work for them. I'm sorry but you really are too much of a fan, you can be cheated that way, but I won't be and a lot of others.

 

Rockstar can open it's mouth everytime it says something, but literally all I have seen is sh*t falling out. Hate me all you want die hard fanboys, but I used to be the same. What changed me was I stepped back and looked at the DAMN GAME. I can want it to work, I can believe it is the best game, but honestly THAT ISN'T TRUE. And Rockstar did it to themselves, 100%. We aren't to blame. If all my other games, some with better graphics, and some that took longer to develope can prove their game was well coded, Rockstar just proved they don't give a f*ck for the PC version, they just want our money and now since they can't get more they won't do any real sh*t about it.

 

Tell me to wait it out, maybe 6 months we will have a working game, MAYBE, your an idiot! I won't believe that crap if I was paid. It's too late for that, and a lot of others. You know how many games really get patched after they come out to the PC? Their f*cked pretty much as is. If you say otherwise, your a dumbass that believes pigs can fly because people say it isn't so.

 

Why don't we get some other hard coders down here to support me? A lot of you seem like noobs trying to support a game and have no idea how the damn thing should work. Well fine, I don't care because I am way past that 1-10 year mark of experience you guys have. I thought things were getting better with secure-rom but if anything they just been getting worse and the laid smack down of bloat ware with everything. Let's put that on the console, how will they feel then? Huh? Are you telling me it's fine? Heh dumbass... I'm not talking to any of you that believe the same, I'm talking to the ones that keep their eyes closed when someone is shouting the truth!

 

Rockstar you did this to yourself.

Rockstar you lied to us, about MANY things!

Rockstar you won't prove their is a new patch in the works and leave us to believe you will do something.

 

Now lets hear the sly , yes cocky believers that keep their eyes closed.

 

I'll tell you if sh*t falls out of your mouth

 

Dumbass replies: "blah" =>

 

Let's see it, I already seen it many times! So many times more it will come. Don't tell me consumers don't know how to make their computer work. That is crap too, because a lot of other games don't have consumers crying and whiny, tell me Rockstar doesn't know how to make it work for the computer. That's more true.

 

Last time,

 

Dumbass replies: "blah" =>

 

Maybe I can cause a riot! Ya! , and then charlie will just lock this thread. Gee I would like that, just like Rockstar locks us out of our own damn Money.

Edited January 14, 2009 by ZaCkOX

[x8681150]

yes they gave up!they think there is nothing wrong with the game ,if they had a patch they would have put it out by now,they know the game is not selling well because all this problems,if they had a fix for these it would be out or at least they would have posted some news about it,,lets face it this game canot be fixed,it is what it is!its all in the code and they cant patch it with out rewriting the code all over again!!!

[OverTheBelow]

Just like some of you stated I also believe there is a huge possibility no new patch will be coming. And if maybe so, it won't be so helpful. Rockstar already commited to many lies with "GTA 4" for PC. And you tell me if they say they will support it but don't show real truth to their word anymore... you believe it? Their support is horrible, Toronto only answers to temporary fixes, IF HE KNOWS WHAT IS WRONG.... and most of the temporary fixes still DON'T WORK. If anything he should prove that they aren't lying anymore and that the franchise will do something about this. If they don't, I don't think a lot of people realise how bad this will affect them. They just brush it off, but now there is no new opportunity for the game. I bought it for the console and PC, but I won't buy anything from them again, because I feel they stole my money. That means when I bought 4 copies for my Xbox 360's I didn't get 9 copies for my PCs. So yes it will effect them, I tell all my friends not to get it, and that is a very bad thing for Rockstar, VERY BAD.

 

If you sale a product that is horrible expect the feedback to be 2 TIMES told, word of mouth. <- If the quality of the product and experience is the worst, and yes it is! The more people will say something about it.

 

If you sale a product that is great expect the feedback to be told 1 time and sometimes not.

 

I would say that is true, considering the forums is full of conflicting bugs, tweaks, glitches, cheating, and a lot of pissed off consumers, some die hard fanboys. I still don't get how people say this game is fine but yet they use all these tweaks to make it just work for them. I'm sorry but you really are too much of a fan, you can be cheated that way, but I won't be and a lot of others.

 

Rockstar can open it's mouth everytime it says something, but literally all I have seen is sh*t falling out. Hate me all you want die hard fanboys, but I used to be the same. What changed me was I stepped back and looked at the DAMN GAME. I can want it to work, I can believe it is the best game, but honestly THAT ISN'T TRUE. And Rockstar did it to themselves, 100%. We aren't to blame. If all my other games, some with better graphics, and some that took longer to develope can prove their game was well coded, Rockstar just proved they don't give a f*ck for the PC version, they just want our money and now since they can't get more they won't do any real sh*t about it.

 

Tell me to wait it out, maybe 6 months we will have a working game, MAYBE, your an idiot! I won't believe that crap if I was paid. It's too late for that, and a lot of others. You know how many games really get patched after they come out to the PC? Their f*cked pretty much as is. If you say otherwise, your a dumbass that believes pigs can fly because people say it isn't so.

 

Why don't we get some other hard coders down here to support me? A lot of you seem like noobs trying to support a game and have no idea how the damn thing should work. Well fine, I don't care because I am way past that 1-10 year mark of experience you guys have. I thought things were getting better with secure-rom but if anything they just been getting worse and the laid smack down of bloat ware with everything. Let's put that on the console, how will they feel then? Huh? Are you telling me it's fine? Heh dumbass... I'm not talking to any of you that believe the same, I'm talking to the ones that keep their eyes closed when someone is shouting the truth!

 

Rockstar you did this to yourself.

Rockstar you lied to us, about MANY things!

Rockstar you won't prove their is a new patch in the works and leave us to believe you will do something.

 

Now lets hear the sly , yes cocky believers that keep their eyes closed.

 

I'll tell you if sh*t falls out of your mouth

 

Dumbass replies: "blah" =>

 

Let's see it, I already seen it many times! So many times more it will come. Don't tell me consumers don't know how to make their computer work. That is crap too, because a lot of other games don't have consumers crying and whiny, tell me Rockstar doesn't know how to make it work for the computer. That's more true.

 

Last time,

 

Dumbass replies: "blah" =>

 

Maybe I can cause a riot! Ya! , and then charlie will just lock this thread. Gee I would like that, just like Rockstar locks us out of our own damn Money.

You haven't told us anything we didn't already know.

[thales100]

lets face it this game canot be fixed,it is what it is!its all in the code and they cant patch it with out rewriting the code all over again!!!

And why do you think many players are enjoying GTA 4 without any issues at all, like me ? How would that be possible if "its all in the code" ?

[x8681150]

 

lets face it this game canot be fixed,it is what it is!its all in the code and they cant patch it with out rewriting the code all over again!!!  

And why do you think many players are enjoying GTA 4 without any issues at all, like me ? How would that be possible if "its all in the code" ?

you problably dont know what a good running pc game is ,you have to go out and buy the top 10 pc games out there and compare them (fps,errors etc.)to this one,and then give an opinion

[ZaCkOX]

lets face it this game canot be fixed,it is what it is!its all in the code and they cant patch it with out rewriting the code all over again!!!  

And why do you think many players are enjoying GTA 4 without any issues at all, like me ? How would that be possible if "its all in the code" ?

Thales there is limitless ways to write code for a game. And if someone hired doesn't know the best ways, well maybe that is why the game suffers so bad. You always code to the operating system and general directx, and opengl graphics that most cards have. Might be in fact that the game was not really ported over and just kept a lot of the same code used for the consoles.

 

You always start from the bottom up, but I didn't see that applied here.

[Aquaphonic]

Gta 3 PC released: 21st May 2002

GTA 3 Patch released: 27th June 2002 (37 days)

 

Vice City released: 12th May 2003

Vice City patch released: ~17th May (5 days)

 

San Andreas released: 10th June 2005

Patch released: 5th August 2005 (25 days)

 

I think they only released one patch for each game too? I'm not drawing any conclusions from these dates anyway, here's hoping we get another patch. Fingers xed.

[tttt]

I'm really getting less and less confident about another patch. They said they would support the game for long, but that doesn't mean patches, it could very well mean rockstar toronto replying to people here. After all, it's support.

The game has been out for a month and half, there are countless bugs, crashes, whatever in the game. By this time, they could have released either a patch that fixes some easy to fix problems, or telling us that they're working on another patch (even if they don't say a timeline).

But, no nothing has come, just a bunch of replies with command line tricks that don't fix anything.

If this is all we get, I will be sure to make them the worst publicity ever to all the people I talk, I don't like feeling robbed.

 

I just tried to play, started a mission, and half-way, bam memory leak, sounds go off, and the mission is stuck. f*cking bullsh*t of a game I tell you.

[oldage]

Dude, they could be working on it already, maybe alot of stuff that needs to be done?

I'm telling you there'll be a patch within the 2 months.

[tttt]

I really hope so, and I wish they make an announcement, at least we could know and wait or know for a fact that we got robbed.

[PacMaan]

They wont announce they are working on a patch because then everyone will be is it ready yet is it ready yet is it ready yet is it ready yet

[x8681150]

i dont think there will be a 2nd patch!!!it would be out by now,,,it does not make any sense putting out a patch so late,usually a company would take their time to put a patch out when there are minor isues to be fixed that wont hurt their sales,,but this is just like deny there is anything wrong,look they had their good reviews by allmost all pc game sites ,(incredibly) why they would fix something that in their eyes got good reviews????think about it,,,their sales are down allready so they blame it on the pirates,,they wont admit there is nothing wrong with the game,not less put out another patch!!!!!that would not look good to the share holders right now!!!

Edited January 14, 2009 by x8681150

[StalkerKZN]

You really think that they are busy with a patch? Wouldn't they at least inform us if they were in progress of making one or at least attempting to do something? I mean hell, I think it's plain simple common decency, don't you?

[PacMaan]

Mmm "total denial" - its how i get through most of my life

[CharmingCharlie]

This game is barely a month old if you take into account the holidays it is unrealistic to expect a second patch so soon. IF you need an example of how things are done just look at Fallout 3 a game that is nearly 3 MONTHS old. Initially when fallout 3 came out Bethesda Game Studios released a small patch because of issues regarding GFWL, the initial patch did NOT fix any game issues. After that there was absolute silence, now 3 months later they have finally released a patch to fix an assortment of issues (although not all of the issues people are having).

 

It takes time to discover the issues and resolve them with a patch, GTA 4 is barely a month old and we have people going "oh Rockstar have given up". Get some perspective you want the issues RESOLVED then give them time. I expect to hear something positive by the end of January at the earliest and not before. They are certainly not going to keep coming to the forum and go "hey guys still working on the patch you know".

[PacMaan]

This game is barely a month old if you take into account the holidays it is unrealistic to expect a second patch so soon. IF you need an example of how things are done just look at Fallout 3 a game that is nearly 3 MONTHS old. Initially when fallout 3 came out Bethesda Game Studios released a small patch because of issues regarding GFWL, the initial patch did NOT fix any game issues.

My Fallout3 runs fine Charlie. Maybe its you.

[thales100]

you problably dont know what a good running pc game is ,you have to go out and buy the top 10 pc games out there and compare them (fps,errors etc.)to this one,and then give an opinion

I use to buy almost all of the "top" PC games, and my opinion is that GTA 4 is the best of them.

 

[x8681150]

 

This game is barely a month old if you take into account the holidays it is unrealistic to expect a second patch so soon.  IF you need an example of how things are done just look at Fallout 3 a game that is nearly 3 MONTHS old.  Initially when fallout 3 came out Bethesda Game Studios released a small patch because of issues regarding GFWL, the initial patch did NOT fix any game issues.  After that there was absolute silence, now 3 months later they have finally released a patch to fix an assortment of issues (although not all of the issues people are having).

 

It takes time to discover the issues and resolve them with a patch, GTA 4 is barely a month old and we have people going "oh Rockstar have given up".  Get some perspective you want the issues RESOLVED then give them time.  I expect to hear something positive by the end of January at the earliest and not before.  They are certainly not going to keep coming to the forum and go "hey guys still working on the patch you know".

at least fallout ran well in all computers(i have the game)their problems where light years away from this fallout its a very simple game

Edited January 14, 2009 by x8681150

[CharmingCharlie]

 

at least fallout ran well in all computers(i have the game)their problems where light years away from this

Have you bothered to check the fallout 3 forums ? You will find that there are just as many topics regarding performance as there are in here about GTA 4. I have seen horrendous slow down and lag on Fallout 3 especially when using the VATS system which has yet to be patched apparently.

 

Just because fallout 3 worked well for YOU does not mean it works well for everyone. It is a similar situation with GTA 4 just because GTA 4 doesn't work well for YOU does not mean it works badly for everyone.

[tttt]

 

They are certainly not going to keep coming to the forum and go "hey guys still working on the patch you know".

Sure, they should say it just once, and I'll wait. They did announce there were working on the first patch before it was released, why couldn't they do the same ?

If there's another patch coming, I'll play another game meanwhile. If there isn't, I can at least try to get refunded. The more time passes, the less chance I have to get a refund. Or is it the point ?

 

EDIT: just to make things clear, my problem isn't lag, my problem is crashes (out of video memory) now so often that I can't even do a whole mission. It's not that it lags (it doesn't for me), it's that I can't play at all.

Edited January 14, 2009 by tttt

[x8681150]

 

at least fallout ran well in all computers(i have the game)their problems where light years away from this

Have you bothered to check the fallout 3 forums ? You will find that there are just as many topics regarding performance as there are in here about GTA 4. I have seen horrendous slow down and lag on Fallout 3 especially when using the VATS system which has yet to be patched apparently.

 

Just because fallout 3 worked well for YOU does not mean it works well for everyone. It is a similar situation with GTA 4 just because GTA 4 doesn't work well for YOU does not mean it works badly for everyone.

well i never liked fallout any way,to me was a boring and simple game that was designed from the beginning like that,,but gta its in another ballpark,it created new standards in the gaming industry,this its not what we espect from them,,they just messed this game up this time,,every body was expecting better,,gta was never like this!!!

Edited January 14, 2009 by x8681150

[ArecBalrin]

Charlie, the 'Fallout 3 has issues too' canard has already grown old and is wrong. It gets more complaints on Bethesda's forums because....because Bethesda actually bothers to provide players with forums. The most Googled term regarding GTA IV concerns problems on the PC and finding somewhere to get help or vent is a bigger hassle than it would be if Rockstar bothered with forums.

 

In practice, there is simply no way Fallout 3 is even near as badly coded as GTA IV. Bethesda's communication is an issue, so to is Valve's regarding Left 4 Dead. None of these change the fact that this level of non-communication from developers, all developers, is unacceptable. How do the faults of others excuse those of Rockstar?

[horseonwheels]

 

and then charlie will just lock this thread.

 

Just don't use the "P" word for any reason at all or the thread is locked and you get a warning, and if you feel like complaining about Herr Charlies jackboot interpretation of the board rules, you can be sure to be utterly ignored by the mods. Just like rockstar actually. As I said to one bitchy mod that handed me a warning for speaking my oppinion about this sh*t port and 3 levels of DRM that are entirely ineffective in anyting but pissing off sane paying costumers, this game company aswell as forums and fans related to it seems to be as broken as the game, and entirely unwilling to address it in any serious sense. What rockstar tried here goes far, FAR beyond a bad port, and "p" scare. It has far more sinister underpinnings if it is not stopped, but no debate can be taken on it because it includes the illigal "P" word, simply because demonstration of futility seems to be the only way left now that dialogue, and voting with the wallet does not work, and companies just see this lack of sale as loss due to "illegal p word" and not what it really is, pissed off costumers who will not put up with having the mark theif stamped on their foreheard regardless if they pay or not.

 

 

[livilaNic]

 

and then charlie will just lock this thread.

 

Just don't use the "P" word for any reason at all or the thread is locked and you get a warning, and if you feel like complaining about Herr Charlies jackboot interpretation of the board rules, you can be sure to be utterly ignored by the mods. Just like rockstar actually. As I said to one bitchy mod that handed me a warning for speaking my oppinion about this sh*t port and 3 levels of DRM that are entirely ineffective in anyting but pissing off sane paying costumers, this game company aswell as forums and fans related to it seems to be as broken as the game, and entirely unwilling to address it in any serious sense. What rockstar tried here goes far, FAR beyond a bad port, and "p" scare. It has far more sinister underpinnings if it is not stopped, but no debate can be taken on it because it includes the illigal "P" word, simply because demonstration of futility seems to be the only way left now that dialogue, and voting with the wallet does not work, and companies just see this lack of sale as loss due to "illegal p word" and not what it really is, pissed off costumers who will not put up with having the mark theif stamped on their foreheard regardless if they pay or not.

Damnit! What is the damn "P" word already!?!

[horseonwheels]

I can't tell you, it will get the thread locked.

[CharmingCharlie]

horseonwheels if you are not commenting on the topic then do not post. This is a topic regarding whether Rockstar has abandoned the PC version. It is not a topic on "oh I have an obsession with charmingcharlie". Now stop trying to derail topics.

[livilaNic]

 

I can't tell you, it will get the thread locked.

*hangs self*

 

Oh well my life is over...

 

...comes back to life...Yes I think they have abandoned it. I think they will try and help those who still have problems, but they will not release another patch (hmm that the P word?) or go out of there way to get anything done for PC gamers.

Edited January 14, 2009 by livilaNic

[ZaCkOX]

Here Charlie I'll make it clear for you. Because this SHOULD be obvious.

 

1.) When they get their money you want to know what they do with it? They use a lot of it for the next series game. This should be known to all gamers by now. If you don't, open wide with knowledge friends.

 

2.) Most of the people will be put on another project, and a lot lot lot less people that go to support and make patches.

 

3.) If you develop a game for 2 years for the xbox 360, and turn around and have it supposedly ready in 8 months for the PC, they should know a lot more about their own game, but that's not the case.

 

Ok shall we review?