mtorrance Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 (edited) Sorry for being a noob, but there are too many threads about it, so now I lost track of many "improvements" here in the forums. Anyway, that's pretty weird. Why does GTA4 don't use more RAM and CPU? I only have 16 FPS! (See below.) Benchmark: + Average FPS: 16 + CPU Usage: 50% + RAM Usage: 63% + Video Memory: 80% Settings: + Video Mode: 800 x 600 + Texture Quality: Medium + Render Quality: Medium + View Distance: 21 + Detail Distance: 20 + Vehicle Density: 10 + Shadow Density: 0 Specs: + Windows Vista (SP1) 32bit + NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS, 512 MB (Driver: 181.20) + Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40 GHz + 4 GB DDR2 RAM Any commands I can use or anything else? Edited January 9, 2009 by mtorrance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rud Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 when I use -availablevidmem 2 I can get my 512 MB graphics card to use high resolution textures. This makes GTA use up another large chunk of my system ram and the game runs faster than with med res textures... Then after it's eaten all of my memory my system locks up. I only have 2 gigs, maybe with your 4 gigs that trick will work. It seems different for everyone though. Try rubbing the CPU with cheetah blood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Your GPU is totally crippling your quad that is why. You are using a 8400gs that is as low spec as you can get. Basically what is happening is your graphics card can't keep up with your cpu so the cpu isn't really having to do much work. Here is one of my benchmark tests :- Statistics Average FPS: 46.98 Duration: 37.10 sec CPU Usage: 78% System memory usage: 66% Video memory usage: 99% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1440 x 900 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: Medium View Distance: 21 Detail Distance: 20 Hardware Microsoft® Windows Vista" Ultimate Service Pack 1 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS Video Driver version: 180.84 Audio Adapter: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio) Intel® Core2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz As you can see I have the same cpu as you and mine is running at 75% the reason for that is because I have a vastly more powerful gpu (the 8800gts). Now having said that even my 8800gts is holding my quadcore back, you would need a GTX280 to fully utilise the power from a quadcore cpu. If you really want decent frame rates and get more out of your quad there is no way around it you will have to consider getting a better card. Most people will recommend either one of the following a 8800gt, 9600gt or an ATI HD4850. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badguy Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 CharmingCharlie. I have the same problem as him though my game is playable with: Statistics Average FPS: 20.32 Duration: 37.16 sec CPU Usage: 48% System memory usage: 49% Video memory usage: 47% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1280 x 720 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: High View Distance: 38 Detail Distance: 38 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT Video Driver version: 177.98 Audio Adapter: Realtek HD Audio output Intel Pentium III Xeon processor Though my gpu is what the problem is aswell. It is a 1gb gpu. If I overclock my gpu would I get more fps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 CharmingCharlie. I have the same problem as him though my game is playable with: Statistics Average FPS: 20.32 Duration: 37.16 sec CPU Usage: 48% System memory usage: 49% Video memory usage: 47% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1280 x 720 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: High View Distance: 38 Detail Distance: 38 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT Video Driver version: 177.98 Audio Adapter: Realtek HD Audio output Intel Pentium III Xeon processor Though my gpu is what the problem is aswell. It is a 1gb gpu. If I overclock my gpu would I get more fps? This time it is the CPU holding back the GPU, you need to overclock your CPU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 It seems you both have a bottleneck - the op a GPU's, the other poster a CPU's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heppu Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 CharmingCharlie. I have the same problem as him though my game is playable with: Statistics Average FPS: 20.32 Duration: 37.16 sec CPU Usage: 48% System memory usage: 49% Video memory usage: 47% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1280 x 720 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: High View Distance: 38 Detail Distance: 38 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT Video Driver version: 177.98 Audio Adapter: Realtek HD Audio output Intel Pentium III Xeon processor Though my gpu is what the problem is aswell. It is a 1gb gpu. If I overclock my gpu would I get more fps? Dude, get new gpu drivers first! Bet you get 10 fps with 180.48! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badguy Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Thales and pinky. I have a Quad Q8200 2.33Ghz. Benchmark sees it as a pentium 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badguy Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 CharmingCharlie. I have the same problem as him though my game is playable with: Statistics Average FPS: 20.32 Duration: 37.16 sec CPU Usage: 48% System memory usage: 49% Video memory usage: 47% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1280 x 720 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: High View Distance: 38 Detail Distance: 38 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT Video Driver version: 177.98 Audio Adapter: Realtek HD Audio output Intel Pentium III Xeon processor Though my gpu is what the problem is aswell. It is a 1gb gpu. If I overclock my gpu would I get more fps? Dude, get new gpu drivers first! Bet you get 10 fps with 180.48! I have 180.48. Didnt change anything. I heard 180.84 is in beta and has issues Thats why I didnt get that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Thales and pinky. I have a Quad Q8200 2.33Ghz. Benchmark sees it as a pentium 3 Its a bug, but wont affect its performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badguy Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Thales and pinky. I have a Quad Q8200 2.33Ghz. Benchmark sees it as a pentium 3 Its a bug, but wont affect its performance. I know. Which means the cpu isnt my bottleneck, it is my gpu. And back to my original question. If I overclocked gpu would it boost my fps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 If I overclocked gpu would it boost my fps? Best way to know would be to try, why dont you get rivatuner or a similar software and oc it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badguy Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 If I overclocked gpu would it boost my fps? Best way to know would be to try, why dont you get rivatuner or a similar software and oc it ? Cant I overclock gpu through BIOS? Im not really a PC hardware genius so I ask before I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 CharmingCharlie. I have the same problem as him though my game is playable with:- This is your problem right here :- NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT Again the 9500gt is an extremely low end card it is actually slower than my 8600gt in the duo2core I have and I wouldn't dare run GTA 4 on the settings you have it on. You can try and overclock it a bit with a utility like rivatuner but the fundamental problem will still exist that is the 9500gt will be incredibly weak and hold back your cpu. The only way you are going to get the most out of your quadcores is by stumping up some cash I am afraid. The options open to you are a 8800gt, 9600gt and a HD4850. If you go with a 8800gt you should get slightly better fps than I am getting, if you go with a 9600gt you will get roughly the same fps I am getting and if you go with a HD4850 then you should get roughly the same fps maybe a little bit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis27 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Get yourself a GF 8800GT. Don't consider anything lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thales100 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Cant I overclock gpu through BIOS? Im not really a PC hardware genius so I ask before I do CharmingCharlie answered better than me - upgrading should be the best option by far since you have a quad. If you really want to try oc, the best way for you would be to use a program called Riva Tuner - you can download it at guru3d.com . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badguy Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Thanks for all the info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenwyne Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 This game is weird. I can run it on high textures and highest renderer on my 9400gt and experience no less fps than in low settings. My cpu is only a 4200+ dual core. I get about 20fps normally so why can't the guy with the 9500gt run it well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 You know, I don't think the benchmark is what we want it be. I think the fps is more of an average for that one location of the bench score. It gives us a round about idea of how the game will play. It shows us our mem use,vmem use and cpu use. To tell us what to tweak or cool or upgrade. now the question is, if your gpu is loaded and cpu is not, then does that mean your gpu is strong and your cpu is the bottleneck? as if by default the gpu takes the weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 CharmingCharlie. I have the same problem as him though my game is playable with: Statistics Average FPS: 20.32 Duration: 37.16 sec CPU Usage: 48% System memory usage: 49% Video memory usage: 47% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1280 x 720 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: High View Distance: 38 Detail Distance: 38 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT Video Driver version: 177.98 Audio Adapter: Realtek HD Audio output Intel Pentium III Xeon processor Though my gpu is what the problem is aswell. It is a 1gb gpu. If I overclock my gpu would I get more fps? Dude, get new gpu drivers first! Bet you get 10 fps with 180.48! I have 180.48. Didnt change anything. I heard 180.84 is in beta and has issues Thats why I didnt get that Video Driver version: 177.98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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