EdmundVI Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 (edited) Hi guys, I have another post on here with a working game at last........ What I want to know is, with the system settings below, will I see any major improvement by moving up to 4gb memory..Aslo, I believe I need 64 bit XP or Vista to enable access to this amount of memory. Beneficial? Give me the benefit of your expertise please gents..!!! Edited January 8, 2009 by EdmundVI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK47-Maximus Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Hi guys, I have another post on here with a working game at last........ What I want to know is, with the system settings below, will I see any major improvement by moving up to 4gb memory..Aslo, I believe I need 64 bit XP or Vista to enable access to this amount of memory. Beneficial? Give me the benefit of your expertise please gents..!!! From 2 to 4 you will see a mjor improvment. That is if you buy good quality ram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdmundVI Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 Ram will be same as I already have:- OCZ DDR2 6400 Dual Ch. Gold Revision 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK47-Maximus Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Ram will be same as I already have:- OCZ DDR2 6400 Dual Ch. Gold Revision 2 You are good to go, you will notice much improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutra78 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Just look how much memory your system uses right after booting. If it's under 400, then 2GB are just fine for GTA4, because it never uses more than 1,5GB of ram on a 32bit system. If you want to use the availablevidmem commandline then upgrade to 3GB. Don't try to run it under Vista before updating your complete system, while running gta4 under vista needs alot more power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdmundVI Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 Ok. What about 64 bit Windows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterpdisaster Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Don't think Win64 will change much, if so, then probably more on the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d00d Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Well 4GB RAM is a bit overkill. If you're using a 32bit OS, stick with 3GB. Windows XP 32 bit doesn't recognise over 3.2GB because of video reserve. Only way you'll access the other 800MB is with a 64 bit OS, but really, it won't make much difference in GTA. Its a VRAM dependent game, and you have a good chunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[email protected]GTA Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Keep in mind that on most motherboards the speed of the RAM drops sometimes over 200Mhz when you install more than 2 DIMMs. For instance, with 2 DIMMS the speed is 1066 but when 4 is installed the speed drops to 800. Question is, is this noticeable or are we talking about nanoseconds here? Might be worth checking out anyways, also, no use spending the extra $ on faster memory if the speed is going to drop anyways. You should be able to find the ram speeds in an online manual or in the manual that came with the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heat84 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I have 2GB and I've never seen GTAIV use more than 800 something MB's. I don't have anything else even installed that uses that kind of memory. Sometimes Firefox uses 200MB(). So Why isn't GTAIV using that extra 1GB+ of RAM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wis3boi Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 my most demanding game in terms of RAM is Oblivion, using 1.5gb, while GTA IV uses about 750-900mb. Even though it uses only a small bit compared to oblivion, GTA still loves to have that 3gb + for some reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutra78 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Because the game just needs alot of videoram. If you want to gain from more RAM on a XP32bit system, then use the –availablevidmem commandline. This will raise your ramusage (and smooth your gameplay). My record was up to 1,4GB. Without that command never more than 1GB. PS - on an untweaked WindowsXP no programme uses more than 1,5GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eroneouse Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Because the game just needs alot of videoram. If you want to gain from more RAM on a XP32bit system, then use the –availablevidmem commandline. This will raise your ramusage (and smooth your gameplay). My record was up to 1,4GB. Without that command never more than 1GB. PS - on an untweaked WindowsXP no programme uses more than 1,5GB. There is a switch setting users can take advantage of in 32 bit windows XP that will allow programs to access more ram than standard windows settings will usually allow for if anyones interested in that I will post the details here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 You need a 64 bit OS for you to be able to use all of the RAM installed, but I don't see what's so bad about it. 64 bit is not worse than 32 bit in any way. About the RAM, you generally would notice a difference, not as big of a difference like when you go from 1GB to 2GB RAM but still a noticeable increase in performance. Only get more RAM if the PC starts using the page file when playing GTA IV. I've seen my IV using as much as 1.98 GB out of my 2GB and this caused major lag and stuttering as the PC started to use the page file. Will be upgrading to 4GB RAM soon. Besides, RAM is REALLY cheap. 4GB is worth it really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tttt Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 if you're experiencing the RESC10 error/stuttering after a few minutes, no amount of RAM will help you. I have 6gb and I'm still bitten by this sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bip Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 i've 3 gb will 4 gb help me to decrease lag ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Depends on how much RAM your game is currently using. Go to a place like Star Junction (or any other busy area) and pause the game. Then press CTRL+ALT+DEL and ALT+TAB out of the game and click on the performance tab and see how much memory IV is using, if its more than 3GB, get more RAM, if not there's no point unless you're running background applications while IV is running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heat84 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I have 2GB and I've never seen GTAIV use more than 800 something MB's. I just upgraded to a 9800GT and now GTAIV uses 1 to 1.2 GB of RAM. I also just noticed it uses over a GB of the page file. That can't be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eroneouse Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Addressing more than 2 gig of ram... This means that if you have a machine with more than 2GB you can now make use of it. If you have 2GB of memory or less please do not attempt this. If you have 64 bit XP or 64 bit Vista you will automatically be able to make use of this. If you have 32 bit XP or 32 bit Vista follow the following instructions to enable the operating system to make use of it: 32 bit XP You first need to locate your machines Boot.ini file which should be located in the root of your main system drive. (Be aware that this file may be hidden and marked as read-only initially.) You will want to open this file in a program such as Notepad to edit it properly. Before adding the 3GB switch though it is important to note that the switch is very picky, and requires that every device and driver on your system be fully WinXP compatible in order to work at all. If anything in the system is not compatible, Windows will not load at all when restarting with the 3GB switch activated. The only way to then remove the switch from the Boot.ini file so that Windows can load is to either mount the drive in another system and manually change the boot.ini file, or reformat the drive and re-install Windows. Both solutions are far from ideal. To safely add the 3GB switch we recommend adding a second instance of the OS in the boot.ini, and add the /3GB switch to that second version. ----- default boot.ini without 3GB Switch ----- This is what a default boot.ini file will look like. (This may differ from system to system.) [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOW S [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" ----- updated boot.ini with 3GB Switch ----- This is what the updated version should look like. Notice the /3GB that has been added to the second instance of the OS line. [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOW S [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP with /3GB" /3GB Once you have updated your boot.ini file accordingly and have saved the changes, simply restart your system for the changes to take affect. When your system reboots you will be given the option to choose either the standard Windows XP version or the 3GB switch enabled Windows XP version. If you choose the 3GB version and it fails to allow Windows to properly load, just restart your system and you will be given the two options once again, where you can then choose the standard Windows XP version to load. Either way, if it works or doesn't, you can then remove whatever line you don't need in the boot.ini file. 32 bit Vista Run this command from a command window with Administrator priviledge - i.e. (in the Start menu) select "Command Prompt" (Accessories), right-click on it and choose "Run as Administrator". bcdedit /set IncreaseUserVa 3072 If the system fails to boot properly you can boot it in safe mode and disabled it by the command: bcdedit /deletevalue IncreaseUserVa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bachree Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 my system have 4 gb and i tried your method and system booted but my desktop is in 4 bit mode and i cannot increase i think im going to return to old settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkboy459 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Actually guys...his memory is fine the game problem is eating ALOT CPU so I'd suggest you get better cpu go for +6000 dual core or Quad...trust me. Because inside the game EVERYTHING is different I mean like the people are no longer the same or houses models and more. That's why the game require such a good CPU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Memory usage is different for different people, it varies. It isn't constant for every game of IV in the world . @Eroneouse, All this tweak does is make the system see 4GB of RAM, so it is for appearance purposes only as the operating system does not know HOW to use the 4GB of memory it now sees. You need a 64 bit OS. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arski Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 i got 2GB memory on now, so if i get 3 or 4GB memory to my Windows 7 Beta 1 Ultimate x64 do i see like change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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