Llamaguy Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 (edited) So I, like many others on this forum and abroad, have encountered way too many bugs in GTA IV. I tried everything from command line tweaks to .ini file fixing, still nothing. So I decide to say "f*ck you" to this game and uninstall it. Fast forward about 2 weeks later. Another forum I lurk on talks greatly about Windows 7. Windows 7 is the new OS Microsoft is shipping out that has gotten amazing benchmark results, topping XP in every test. I also see people relaying that they have encountered major increases in performance in games when they thought there couldn't of been more to squeeze out. So I decide to download Windows 7 Build 7000. It's like something has flipped a switch. I am getting 30-40 FPS outdoors(50-70 indoors) with these settings 1280x1024 Medium Textures High Rendering 32 View Distance 10 Detail Distance 43 Traffic 0 Shadows with a system configuration of Windows 7 (Build 7000) AMD Athlon X2 3800+(2.0 Ghz) 3 GB DDR RAM EVGA 8800GTS SSC(512MB) Sound Blaster Audigy Sound card 500 GB Seagate Barricuda HD (7200 RPM) So if you guys are desperate enough, go and download Build 7000, or wait for the public release beta which shouldn't be too much longer. **EDIT** Here is the benchmark Statistics Average FPS: 37.32 Duration: 37.43 sec CPU Usage: 98% System memory usage: 61% Video memory usage: 92% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1280 x 1024 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: High View Distance: 9 Detail Distance: 10 Hardware Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT Video Driver version: 180.48 Audio Adapter: Speakers (SB Audigy) AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ File ID: benchmark.cli Edited January 7, 2009 by Llamaguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSD T Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Windows 7 is precisely the upgrade the intelligent community have been waiting for with all the morons shouting out XP is obsolete etc, Vista is sh*t simple as that, there is absolutely no compelling reason to move to Vista from XP, now windows 7 is slowly undoing some of the most revered pro-vista 'experts' out there and showing them to be the shills they are. I've only had a cursory play with windows 7 so far, mainly because too much work with a beta is fruitless in my work, it certainly is a true Oxford English definition of upgrade from the little I've seen. Well done Llamaguy, glad it's helped eek out some extra performance for you, I can't wait for the proper official Alpha release of the new windows, never before did I think I'd ever say that. I would certainly say to those who are struggling with GTAIV on Vista to bin it for Windows 7, or at the very least XP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llamaguy Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 Windows 7 is precisely the upgrade the intelligent community have been waiting for with all the morons shouting out XP is obsolete etc, Vista is sh*t simple as that, there is absolutely no compelling reason to move to Vista from XP, now windows 7 is slowly undoing some of the most revered pro-vista 'experts' out there and showing them to be the shills they are.I've only had a cursory play with windows 7 so far, mainly because too much work with a beta is fruitless in my work, it certainly is a true Oxford English definition of upgrade from the little I've seen. Well done Llamaguy, glad it's helped eek out some extra performance for you, I can't wait for the proper official Alpha release of the new windows, never before did I think I'd ever say that. I would certainly say to those who are struggling with GTAIV on Vista to bin it for Windows 7, or at the very least XP. It's quite stunning to see that W7 isn't even in a beta stage, but a pre-alpha, and is already outperforming XP SP3 and Vista SP1. Microsoft has outdone themselves. Hopefully when they release this people will stop with the M$, Micro$hit, or the anti-microsoft talk. I myself can't wait to see the new Mac vs. PC commercials and see what excuses Mac will try to pull out their ass with W7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bidji Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 there's nothing stunning about a 2009 OS beating a 2001 OS (XP) and a huge pile of crap (Vista), but, hey, that's just my opinion. Windows 7 will probably be Vista SP2 with a new name so people will maybe actually buy it. oh, and for the record, lots of people were reporting how fast longhorn was before it became Vista and we all realized it was just a bloated xp with shiny colors (yay!). now, don't get me wrong. I'd be delighted if Windows7 turned out to be a good OS, and I'd be happy to ditch XP... I'd also be very surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llamaguy Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 there's nothing stunning about a 2009 OS beating a 2001 OS (XP) and a huge pile of crap (Vista), but, hey, that's just my opinion.Windows 7 will probably be Vista SP2 with a new name so people will maybe actually buy it. oh, and for the record, lots of people were reporting how fast longhorn was before it became Vista and we all realized it was just a bloated xp with shiny colors (yay!). now, don't get me wrong. I'd be delighted if Windows7 turned out to be a good OS, and I'd be happy to ditch XP... I'd also be very surprised. Of course it's stunning. Think about it. XP is used around the world as a work-place OS, and not only in work places, but schools and homes abroad. It is the most stable OS out there. But now that W7 is about to hit public beta, it's already outperforming it. This is HUGE! If all things go well, it could mean big bucks for Microsoft since companies and schools would want to adapt to this new and reliable innovative OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpope17 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 How do we get Windows 7 Build 7000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llamaguy Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 (edited) Discussion of how to access pirated software applies to ALL software not just GTA 4 -cc Edited January 8, 2009 by CharmingCharlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpope17 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 (edited) wait until Microsoft puts out a public beta, which shouldn't be long now. So would I be able to keep Vista as well? Can I dual boot them? Edited January 8, 2009 by CharmingCharlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bidji Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 there's nothing stunning about a 2009 OS beating a 2001 OS (XP) and a huge pile of crap (Vista), but, hey, that's just my opinion.Windows 7 will probably be Vista SP2 with a new name so people will maybe actually buy it. oh, and for the record, lots of people were reporting how fast longhorn was before it became Vista and we all realized it was just a bloated xp with shiny colors (yay!). now, don't get me wrong. I'd be delighted if Windows7 turned out to be a good OS, and I'd be happy to ditch XP... I'd also be very surprised. Of course it's stunning. Think about it. XP is used around the world as a work-place OS, and not only in work places, but schools and homes abroad. It is the most stable OS out there. But now that W7 is about to hit public beta, it's already outperforming it. This is HUGE! If all things go well, it could mean big bucks for Microsoft since companies and schools would want to adapt to this new and reliable innovative OS. oh, I'd like some of what you're smoking, and kudos on the optimism! seriously, though... as much as like XP, I wouldn't call it the most reliable OS out there. first because the word Linux would spring to my mind, then because I had tons of problems with the many versions I had to deal with (personally and professionally) and even now, after 8 years and 3 SPs (or 2 as I'm running x64) it still crashes on me every now and again, 'loses' some of my USB devices for no reason, etc... but it's A LOT more stable than win9x was, I'll give you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llamaguy Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 (edited) From what I've heard you should be able to use Vista's integrated Partition extender to modify partition values to allow 2 different OS's. Don't take my word for it, I just did a straight up format. oh, I'd like some of what you're smoking, and kudos on the optimism! biggrin.gifseriously, though... as much as like XP, I wouldn't call it the most reliable OS out there. first because the word Linux would spring to my mind, then because I had tons of problems with the many versions I had to deal with (personally and professionally) and even now, after 8 years and 3 SPs (or 2 as I'm running x64) it still crashes on me every now and again, 'loses' some of my USB devices for no reason, etc... but it's A LOT more stable than win9x was, I'll give you that. smile.gif What I meant by "Most Stable" was comparing it to Vista, my mistake for not clarifying. I watched all XP, Vista, and W7 during their development, and in my eyes, W7 shows the most innovative options and performance capabilities than I have ever seen a OS in its current stage. As long as Microsoft doesn't get cocky and botch it, this should be a guaranteed ace for them. Edited January 8, 2009 by Llamaguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpope17 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 From what I've heard you should be able to use Vista's integrated Partition extender to modify partition values to allow 2 different OS's. Don't take my word for it, I just did a straight up format. I have to say I am really shocked that you are getting nearly 40FPS with a AMD Athlon X2 3800+. Specially with settings you have it set to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llamaguy Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 From what I've heard you should be able to use Vista's integrated Partition extender to modify partition values to allow 2 different OS's. Don't take my word for it, I just did a straight up format. I have to say I am really shocked that you are getting nearly 40FPS with a AMD Athlon X2 3800+. Specially with settings you have it set to... It's very strange that since in my history of building computers I've always hit a lucky combination of parts that seem to flow perfectly where others would fail. Keep in mind back in XP i was barely getting 15 FPS with the stuttering, but now with W7 I'm hitting the near 40's. It's not all about the hardware sometimes . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSD T Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 So would I be able to keep Vista as well? Can I dual boot them? You can but I'd advise you install on a completely seperate HDD if you have one spare, try and disintegrate as much as you can from Vista whenever possible, that Vista bootloader aint there for your benefit... In fact the more I think about it the more i cannot understand how Vista even sold one copy, I got mine from work and only ever use it to test compatibility for our less intellectually endowed partners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bidji Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 What I meant by "Most Stable" was comparing it to Vista, my mistake for not clarifying. I watched all XP, Vista, and W7 during their development, and in my eyes, W7 shows the most innovative options and performance capabilities than I have ever seen a OS in its current stage. As long as Microsoft doesn't get cocky and botch it, this should be a guaranteed ace for them. well, I hope it turns out that way. I just, you know, have my doubts... microsoft have surprised me in the past, though rarely in the good way. I guess I'll wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llamaguy Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 So would I be able to keep Vista as well? Can I dual boot them? You can but I'd advise you install on a completely seperate HDD if you have one spare, try and disintegrate as much as you can from Vista whenever possible, that Vista bootloader aint there for your benefit... In fact the more I think about it the more i cannot understand how Vista even sold one copy, I got mine from work and only ever use it to test compatibility for our less intellectually endowed partners. If I'm not mistaken, I think W7 uses the same bootloader as Vista does, so I don't think there'd be a conflict. well, I hope it turns out that way. I just, you know, have my doubts... microsoft have surprised me in the past, though rarely in the good way. I guess I'll wait and see. smile.gif Wow, I definitely know what you mean. I feel though that Microsoft is tired of being sh*t on by critics and Apple, so they decided to kick it up a notch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noVa Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 it's sitting on my hdd waiting for me to be arsed to sort my partitions out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA3Freak-2001 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 That's quite impressive for your specs, wonder what exactly it is about Windows 7 that makes the difference here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpope17 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 it's sitting on my hdd waiting for me to be arsed to sort my partitions out. Record you benchmarks now. And when you install your Windows 7, you should tell what the difference is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noVa Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 it's sitting on my hdd waiting for me to be arsed to sort my partitions out. Record you benchmarks now. And when you install your Windows 7, you should tell what the difference is. will do, might be a few days as the configuration i have at the moment isn't setup for a dual boot, means shuffling my files about, all 500gb's worth of stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpope17 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 (edited) Some guy on one of the torrent sites said he got like a 10fps increase. Hope this is all true, downloading now... Edited January 8, 2009 by shadowpope17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppehrson Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Windows 7 is precisely the upgrade the intelligent community have been waiting for with all the morons shouting out XP is obsolete etc, Vista is sh*t simple as that, there is absolutely no compelling reason to move to Vista from XP, now windows 7 is slowly undoing some of the most revered pro-vista 'experts' out there and showing them to be the shills they are.I've only had a cursory play with windows 7 so far, mainly because too much work with a beta is fruitless in my work, it certainly is a true Oxford English definition of upgrade from the little I've seen. Well done Llamaguy, glad it's helped eek out some extra performance for you, I can't wait for the proper official Alpha release of the new windows, never before did I think I'd ever say that. I would certainly say to those who are struggling with GTAIV on Vista to bin it for Windows 7, or at the very least XP. It's quite stunning to see that W7 isn't even in a beta stage, but a pre-alpha, and is already outperforming XP SP3 and Vista SP1. Microsoft has outdone themselves. Hopefully when they release this people will stop with the M$, Micro$hit, or the anti-microsoft talk. I myself can't wait to see the new Mac vs. PC commercials and see what excuses Mac will try to pull out their ass with W7. Of course it is outdoing the others, wise ass. So did Vista when it was pre-beta. It wasn't riddled with useless junk then. Same as XP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle016 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Yea, I went and downloaded Windows 7 and got a good increase in frame rate. The only problem though is all the errors I get on it. I get a D3D error every time I try to change resolutions or run a benchmark. I got WS10 and some SecuRom error (even though I had a SecuRom bypasser) before that and some other random error. I'm back on Vista 64 right now, but dang, when Windows 7 hits and GTA is fixed to run on it... then ya I think this game might actually work right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppehrson Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 (edited) So by the flag I see that you are US American. I also see that you not only advise others on how to download a piece of pre-beta software, COPYRIGHTED software, ILLEGALLY. I also know by fact that Windows7 is kept pretty strict by Microsoft only for certified testers. I also know that not only actively downloading, but also advising others how to do so, illegal software online is a Federal offense in the US. I also know that I know the Special Agent in charge of Copyright abuse in SLC, Utah. And I think that I'll give him a call in the morning. Fair enough? Oh, by the way, illegal advise on this forum is, as far as I remember, grounds for banning. Edited January 8, 2009 by CharmingCharlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noVa Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 (edited) So by the flag I see that you are US American. I also see that you not only advise others on how to download a piece of pre-beta software, COPYRIGHTED software, ILLEGALLY. I also know by fact that Windows7 is kept pretty strict by Microsoft only for certified testers. I also know that not only actively downloading, but also advising others how to do so, illegal software online is a Federal offense in the US. I also know that I know the Special Agent in charge of Copyright abuse in SLC, Utah. And I think that I'll give him a call in the morning. Fair enough? Oh, by the way, illegal advise on this forum is, as far as I remember, grounds for banning. agree on the forum thing, everything else you just said is utter gash though. lighten up its pre-beta/unofficial beta. Edited January 8, 2009 by CharmingCharlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpope17 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 (edited) So by the flag I see that you are US American. I also see that you not only advise others on how to download a piece of pre-beta software, COPYRIGHTED software, ILLEGALLY. I also know by fact that Windows7 is kept pretty strict by Microsoft only for certified testers. I also know that not only actively downloading, but also advising others how to do so, illegal software online is a Federal offense in the US. I also know that I know the Special Agent in charge of Copyright abuse in SLC, Utah. And I think that I'll give him a call in the morning. Fair enough? Oh, by the way, illegal advise on this forum is, as far as I remember, grounds for banning. Special Agent? WTF Edited January 8, 2009 by CharmingCharlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badguy Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 When microsoft realese the Windows 7 beta is it going to be for free or are we going to have to pay for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Just a reminder the rule regarding the discussion of piracy on this forum includes ALL software not just GTA 4. Oh and if you see a post discussing piracy report it BUT DO NOT QUOTE it because that means your thread then has to be edited too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redemption80 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 (edited) ppehrson, have to say what a poor uncalled for post, while Microsoft isn't encouraging people to get Windows7 from whatever sources you use, they aren't actively stopping people either, same thing with leaked Beta drivers from Nvidia, its a good way to get some Beta testing done without the accountability. The reporting to special agents though is pretty horrible though, true or not, and disappoints me that people can be so spiteful, calm down, I've realised recently that life is too short, he just made a mistake. Edited January 8, 2009 by Redemption80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drag_Drift Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 No warez talk, people. Mods don't like it. Anyways, I hope Microsoft don't add more weight to W7, or they'll just end up doing what they did to Vista. Vista was good from the beginning. It had so much potential. But Microsoft screwed it up by adding things and restricting stuff and putting more and more until it broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redemption80 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Surely any talk about Window7 until the beta is officially released is warez Can't agree on the Vista thing, Vista64 SP1 is the quickest, most stable operating system i've used, 9months and as quick if not quicker than the day it was installed, and not one system crash so far, granted i've never spent much time with Linux, but for the obvious reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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