gtaivpc88 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 In the first test, I used "commandline.txt" with the following written in it: -novblank -texturequality=2 -renderquality=4 -detail quality=99 -viewdistance=99 -width=1680 -height=1050 -nomemrestrict this is the BENCHMARK result: Statistics Average FPS: 12.08 Duration: 37.42 sec CPU Usage: 75% System memory usage: 81% Video memory usage: 91% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Low Render Quality: Low View Distance: 1 Detail Distance: 1 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX Video Driver version: 180.84 Audio Adapter: SB X-Fi Audio [DF00] AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ File ID: benchmark.cli ------------------------------------------------------------ In the second test, I removed "commandline.txt" from GTA folder and this is the BENCHMARK result: Statistics Average FPS: 19.27 Duration: 36.84 sec CPU Usage: 79% System memory usage: 80% Video memory usage: 87% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Low Render Quality: Low View Distance: 1 Detail Distance: 1 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX Video Driver version: 180.84 Audio Adapter: SB X-Fi Audio [DF00] AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ File ID: benchmark.cli ------------------------------------------------------------ Almost -8 in FPS-drop! Notice Video memory usage Another strange thing is that when I remove "commandline.txt" (as in TEST 2) I'm not able to run the benchmark test properly and I always end up tabbing out from the game because of texture misses... any ideas? thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Cheese_Man Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Your commandline commands are more hardware intensive than your in game settings. So when you remove the commandline.txt, you play at lower settings and that probably accounts for the fps increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bidji Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I'm guessing -nomemrestrict is the culprit, here. also, it's funny how the benchmark results say Texture Quality: LowRender Quality: Low View Distance: 1 Detail Distance: 1 whether or not you're using the commandline.txt file. I don't use the '=' sign (i.e. -texturequality 2...)and mine seems to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtaivpc88 Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 Your commandline commands are more hardware intensive than your in game settings. So when you remove the commandline.txt, you play at lower settings and that probably accounts for the fps increase. What about now...fps and vidmem usage roughly the same, even though hardware settings on commanline are now set to low compared to test 1 above which was almost at highest... commandline.txt -novblank -texturequality=0 -renderquality=0 -detail quality=0 -viewdistance=0 -width=1680 -height=1050 -nomemrestrict BENCHMARK TEST Statistics Average FPS: 12.96 Duration: 37.18 sec CPU Usage: 79% System memory usage: 84% Video memory usage: 91% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Low Render Quality: Low View Distance: 1 Detail Distance: 1 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX Video Driver version: 180.84 Audio Adapter: SB X-Fi Audio [DF00] AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ File ID: benchmark.cli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtaivpc88 Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 I'm guessing -nomemrestrict is the culprit, here.also, it's funny how the benchmark results say Texture Quality: LowRender Quality: Low View Distance: 1 Detail Distance: 1 whether or not you're using the commandline.txt file. I don't use the '=' sign (i.e. -texturequality 2...)and mine seems to work. so what are you suggesting...remove it completely from commandline -nomemrestrict that is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bidji Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 yep, try that and see if the fps drop goes. then try not using the '=' sign and see if the benchmark reports settings that correspond to what you put in commandline.txt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtaivpc88 Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 yep, try that and see if the fps drop goes. then try not using the '=' sign and see if the benchmark reports settings that correspond to what you put in commandline.txt. ok here it's without -nomemrestrict: commandline.txt -novblank -texturequality=0 -renderquality=0 -detail quality=0 -viewdistance=0 -width=1680 -height=1050 Statistics Average FPS: 13.04 Duration: 36.89 sec CPU Usage: 80% System memory usage: 83% Video memory usage: 85% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Low Render Quality: Low View Distance: 1 Detail Distance: 1 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX Video Driver version: 180.84 Audio Adapter: SB X-Fi Audio [DF00] AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ File ID: benchmark.cli ---------------------------------------------------------------- and here is without "=" sign: commandline.txt -novblank -texturequality 0 -renderquality 0 -detail quality 0 -viewdistance 0 -width=1680 -height=1050 Statistics Average FPS: 12.84 Duration: 37.55 sec CPU Usage: 79% System memory usage: 82% Video memory usage: 84% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Low Render Quality: Low View Distance: 1 Detail Distance: 1 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX Video Driver version: 180.84 Audio Adapter: SB X-Fi Audio [DF00] AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ File ID: benchmark.cli ----------------------------------------------------------------- slightly better fps but still huge drop lesser usage of vidmem keep it coming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bidji Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 well, the difference between the two benchmark results is of about 0.20 fps (oh, wait... it's exactly that ). that's less than 2% difference. so I think it's safe to say they're quite identical. try again with different values, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtaivpc88 Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 well, the difference between the two benchmark results is of about 0.20 fps (oh, wait... it's exactly that ). that's less than 2% difference. so I think it's safe to say they're quite identical. try again with different values, maybe? I don't think there is anything more to change here as everything is set to low. Maybe removing the -novblank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtaivpc88 Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 think I know what the problem is...resolution is too high lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bidji Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I was going to suggest that. but than, your video card should be able to handle it... your computer seems a little "weak" on the cpu side, where resolution shouldn't matter... but, you never know. give it a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruXter Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I sat in front of my doctor, wearing that stupid little paper dress they give you , damn thing and well he asked me what my symptoms are. I told him " when I hit my self in the head with a brick, it really hurts." He handed me some aspirin and said " take two of these and stop hitting yourself in the head. check back tomorrow " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtaivpc88 Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 What should I type in commandline.txt to alter the setting of VEHICLE DENSITY in the game? I've tried "vehicledensity", "vehicle density", vehiclequality" which strangely enough doesn't seem to work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 In the first test, I used "commandline.txt" with the following written in it: -novblank -texturequality=2 -renderquality=4 -detail quality=99 -viewdistance=99 -width=1680 -height=1050 -nomemrestrict this is the BENCHMARK result: Statistics Average FPS: 12.08 Duration: 37.42 sec CPU Usage: 75% System memory usage: 81% Video memory usage: 91% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Low Render Quality: Low View Distance: 1 Detail Distance: 1 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX Video Driver version: 180.84 Audio Adapter: SB X-Fi Audio [DF00] AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ File ID: benchmark.cli ------------------------------------------------------------ In the second test, I removed "commandline.txt" from GTA folder and this is the BENCHMARK result: Statistics Average FPS: 19.27 Duration: 36.84 sec CPU Usage: 79% System memory usage: 80% Video memory usage: 87% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Low Render Quality: Low View Distance: 1 Detail Distance: 1 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX Video Driver version: 180.84 Audio Adapter: SB X-Fi Audio [DF00] AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ File ID: benchmark.cli ------------------------------------------------------------ Almost -8 in FPS-drop! Notice Video memory usage Another strange thing is that when I remove "commandline.txt" (as in TEST 2) I'm not able to run the benchmark test properly and I always end up tabbing out from the game because of texture misses... any ideas? thx Because your commandline asks for max draw, max detail, max textures and max render, then your second bench has them all on minimum. Of course it is going to be different, one maxed out and the other minimumed out. Don't go building no rockets now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtaivpc88 Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 In the first test, I used "commandline.txt" with the following written in it: -novblank -texturequality=2 -renderquality=4 -detail quality=99 -viewdistance=99 -width=1680 -height=1050 -nomemrestrict this is the BENCHMARK result: Statistics Average FPS: 12.08 Duration: 37.42 sec CPU Usage: 75% System memory usage: 81% Video memory usage: 91% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Low Render Quality: Low View Distance: 1 Detail Distance: 1 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX Video Driver version: 180.84 Audio Adapter: SB X-Fi Audio [DF00] AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ File ID: benchmark.cli ------------------------------------------------------------ In the second test, I removed "commandline.txt" from GTA folder and this is the BENCHMARK result: Statistics Average FPS: 19.27 Duration: 36.84 sec CPU Usage: 79% System memory usage: 80% Video memory usage: 87% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Low Render Quality: Low View Distance: 1 Detail Distance: 1 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX Video Driver version: 180.84 Audio Adapter: SB X-Fi Audio [DF00] AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ File ID: benchmark.cli ------------------------------------------------------------ Almost -8 in FPS-drop! Notice Video memory usage Another strange thing is that when I remove "commandline.txt" (as in TEST 2) I'm not able to run the benchmark test properly and I always end up tabbing out from the game because of texture misses... any ideas? thx Because your commandline asks for max draw, max detail, max textures and max render, then your second bench has them all on minimum. Of course it is going to be different, one maxed out and the other minimumed out. Don't go building no rockets now. I understand your reasoning and of course it should be that way. But how then do you explain what happens in my second post? Everything is on min. except the res. and I still have roughly the same fps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Leave the -nomemrestrict in to reduce the out of memory crashes. Also, did you reboot between the the commandline changes as your memory will already have been affected by the memory leaks from previous tests and will not sort itself out completely till a reboot? I always get better results with tests done when I first use IV after boot up. Try a commandline like this: -norestrictions -nomemrestrict -novblank -texturequality 1 -renderquality 2 -viewdistance 10 -detailquality 40 -shadowdensity 1 You also wouldn't have had much difference because you weren't using the norestrictions command therefore the higher textures wont have been used as the game resorts to auto detect and will lower them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtaivpc88 Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 Leave the -nomemrestrict in to reduce the out of memory crashes.Also, did you reboot between the the commandline changes as your memory will already have been affected by the memory leaks from previous tests and will not sort itself out completely till a reboot? I always get better results with tests done when I first use IV after boot up. Try a commandline like this: -norestrictions -nomemrestrict -novblank -texturequality 1 -renderquality 2 -viewdistance 10 -detailquality 40 -shadowdensity 1 You also wouldn't have had much difference because you weren't using the norestrictions command therefore the higher textures wont have been used as the game resorts to auto detect and will lower them. ok, what about the resolution, can I just type it in after the codes in commandline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S_G Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Are you... serious? -texturequality=2 -renderquality=4 -detail quality=99 -viewdistance=99 You turned everything onto MAXMIMUM, overriding the in-game settings, what the hell did you think would happen? Your second benchmark follows your in-game settings with everything at minimal settings. This thread needs to be locked immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtaivpc88 Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 (edited) Are you... serious? -texturequality=2 -renderquality=4 -detail quality=99 -viewdistance=99 You turned everything onto MAXMIMUM, overriding the in-game settings, what the hell did you think would happen? Your second benchmark follows your in-game settings with everything at minimal settings. This thread needs to be locked immediately. PLEASE read ALL the replies before making any stupid comments. The reason for the setting being set so high is because I've experienced some difficulty to see where the fps drop is... I started off with high settings and worked my way down to see where the biggest drop is... Edited January 8, 2009 by gtaivpc88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S_G Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 -nomemrestrict Do you even have a reason for adding that parameter? Let the game manage its own memory, unless you are specifically limiting its memory to a certain % with the other restriction setting. Can you blame me for jumping to conclusions after you started your thread off like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 -nomemrestrict Do you even have a reason for adding that parameter? Let the game manage its own memory, unless you are specifically limiting its memory to a certain % with the other restriction setting. Can you blame me for jumping to conclusions after you started your thread off like that? Beacause I said for him to use it, it helps well with stuttering and full mem problems in the game from my own experiences. No need to add your resolution as the game saves it anway. Ideally you only need -norestrictions -nomemrestrict -novblank as the rest can be set in the graphics options once loaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtaivpc88 Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 -nomemrestrict Do you even have a reason for adding that parameter? Let the game manage its own memory, unless you are specifically limiting its memory to a certain % with the other restriction setting. Can you blame me for jumping to conclusions after you started your thread off like that? I'm just following tips and guidelines here on the forum and I'm grateful for those who are trying to help as I'm running out of ideas myself..."Pinky" on this thread suggested -nomemrestrict. I've tried excluding it but my screen gets texture problems even on min and I won't be able to run benchmark test for some reason. Before setting off shouting at people and trying to shutdown the thread, maybe you can start helping me and others in the process instead of filling the page with faulty accusations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S_G Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Eh, fine. I apologize, had an early morning pickle stuck up my ass for a bit there. What happens when you only have the following: -novblank-texturequality 1-renderquality 3-shadowdensity 0 And try it again with -noprecache added. I still don't think nomemrestrict is a great idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtaivpc88 Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 Eh, fine. I apologize, had an early morning pickle stuck up my ass for a bit there. What happens when you only have the following: -novblank-texturequality 1-renderquality 3-shadowdensity 0 And try it again with -noprecache added. I still don't think nomemrestrict is a great idea. It's okay we all have our good days and our bad days...let's leave it like that. I tried "Pinkys" suggestion and it all worked out fine...believe it or not w/ -nomemrestrict commandline -norestrictions -nomemrestrict -novblank here is the benchmark: Statistics Average FPS: 16.80 Duration: 37.49 sec CPU Usage: 84% System memory usage: 91% Video memory usage: 93% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1280 x 1024 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Low Render Quality: Low View Distance: 1 Detail Distance: 1 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX Video Driver version: 180.84 Audio Adapter: SB X-Fi Audio [DF00] AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ File ID: Benchmark.cli ----------------------------------------------------------------- FPS almost at 20, which is what I'm aiming for. The resolution speaks for the remaining +3 fps. I set the resolution to 1280 x 1024 because it's playable. Anything beyond that...I might as well play GTA SA... Having said that, I would like to test your ideas as well and I will post it here in shortly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtaivpc88 Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 ok here we go again... -novblank -texturequality 1 -renderquality 3 -shadowdensity 0 Statistics Average FPS: 16.34 Duration: 37.03 sec CPU Usage: 84% System memory usage: 87% Video memory usage: 92% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1280 x 1024 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: Very High View Distance: 1 Detail Distance: 1 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX Video Driver version: 180.84 Audio Adapter: SB X-Fi Audio [DF00] AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ File ID: benchmark.cli ------------------------------------------------------------ added -noprecache -novblank -texturequality 1 -renderquality 3 -shadowdensity 0 -noprecache Statistics Average FPS: 16.03 Duration: 36.87 sec CPU Usage: 81% System memory usage: 86% Video memory usage: 92% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1280 x 1024 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: Very High View Distance: 1 Detail Distance: 1 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX Video Driver version: 180.84 Audio Adapter: SB X-Fi Audio [DF00] AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ File ID: benchmark.cli ----------------------------------------------------------- Don't think -noprecache did so much to the fps I'm afraid but generally good...slighlty above 16 and lesser hardware usage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacky7 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Hey there? I'm not sure if this would help but hav u tried what MonkeyMhz posted? It helps u with ur resolution thingy. U can giv it a try^^ http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=384473 Good Luck! Cheer up dude!! I play with low low 1 1 1 0 with an average of 14~15 fps i get 8 or 9 when things blow up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S_G Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 You took a negligible hit on framerate by bumping the graphics settings up considerably from low. That should indicate that the bottleneck is not your graphics card. Have you done any overclocking on your CPU? An Athlon X2 at 2.3GHz is fairly low for GTA IV, so if it's possible, try overclocking it. Those chips are pretty easy, I think you can probably hit 2.8GHz without touching the voltages. I think I've seen people go over 3GHz without a voltage bump with X2 4400+, but I don't recommend going that far if you're new to overclocking. As far as settings go, this might seem weird, but give it a shot: -width 1680-height 1050-refreshrate 60-texturequality 1-renderquality 2-viewdistance 40-detailquality 30-shadowdensity 0-novblank-minspecaudio And if you can, also try it without the first three lines. Also, see my thread here: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=390241&hl= It explores some unusual things about settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtaivpc88 Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 Hey there? I'm not sure if this would help but hav u tried what MonkeyMhz posted? It helps u with ur resolution thingy. U can giv it a try^^ http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=384473 Good Luck! Cheer up dude!! I play with low low 1 1 1 0 with an average of 14~15 fps i get 8 or 9 when things blow up... thx I've tried MonkeyMHz tweak, but the commanlines I use now gives me more control over the settings etc. + I gain more fps boost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtaivpc88 Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 You took a negligible hit on framerate by bumping the graphics settings up considerably from low. That should indicate that the bottleneck is not your graphics card. Have you done any overclocking on your CPU? An Athlon X2 at 2.3GHz is fairly low for GTA IV, so if it's possible, try overclocking it. Those chips are pretty easy, I think you can probably hit 2.8GHz without touching the voltages. I think I've seen people go over 3GHz without a voltage bump with X2 4400+, but I don't recommend going that far if you're new to overclocking. As far as settings go, this might seem weird, but give it a shot: -width 1680-height 1050-refreshrate 60-texturequality 1-renderquality 2-viewdistance 40-detailquality 30-shadowdensity 0-novblank-minspecaudio And if you can, also try it without the first three lines. Also, see my thread here: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=390241&hl= It explores some unusual things about settings. -width 1680 -height 1050 -refreshrate 60 -texturequality 1 -renderquality 2 -viewdistance 40 -detailquality 30 -shadowdensity 0 -novblank -minspecaudio Statistics Average FPS: 12.47 Duration: 37.05 sec CPU Usage: 82% System memory usage: 88% Video memory usage: 98% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: High View Distance: 41 Detail Distance: 31 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX Video Driver version: 180.84 Audio Adapter: SB X-Fi Audio [DF00] AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ File ID: benchmark.cli ------------------------------------------------------------- -texturequality 1 -renderquality 2 -viewdistance 40 -detailquality 30 -shadowdensity 0 -novblank -minspecaudio Statistics Average FPS: 13.91 Duration: 36.60 sec CPU Usage: 84% System memory usage: 90% Video memory usage: 96% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1280 x 1024 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: High View Distance: 41 Detail Distance: 31 Hardware Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX Video Driver version: 180.84 Audio Adapter: SB X-Fi Audio [DF00] AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ File ID: benchmark.cli -------------------------------------------------------------- No sorry, too much resource usage...kills fps You know I've been thinking lately if overclocking is the way to go, but when I think of it...sigh just get a new rig... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbas Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Interesting... -norestrictions -nomemrestrict -novblank tried all the tweaks....this seems to work best for me as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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