ZaCkOX Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 (edited) steamSystem Requirements o OS: Windows Vista - Service Pack 1 / Windows XP - Service Pack 3 o Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8GHz, AMD Athlon X2 64 2.4GHz o Memory: 1.5GB Vista / 1GB XP o Graphics: 256MB Nvidia 7900 / 256MB ATI X1900 o DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c Compliant Card o Hard Drive: 16GB of Hard Disc Space o Sound Card: 5.1 Channel Audio Card o Other Requirements: Initial activation requires internet connection; Online play requires log-in to Games For Windows - Live and Rockstar Games Social Club (13+ to register); software installations required including Adobe Flash, DirectX, Microsoft’s .NET Framework 3.0, Games For Windows - LIVE, and Internet Explorer. ZaCkOX 1.) SP3 has some problems SP2 does not, and hell no I also wouldn't even consider going to VISTA, let's all upgrade to that! Only I seem to know because I have 10 different computers and have done all the updating, fixing, and left and right sh*t stuff you guys have no idea exists. I bet you guys even use virus protections, again which is for NOOBS. Your inexperienced compared to me! 3.) People that experience the same problem I did, are not always going to search for the answer, look through the errors, and steam doesn't tell you what you will need as requirements, 3.5 net frames, windows-live update, etc. So again, I'm crying? I think a lot of people that know little about their computer would be the one's crying. if something does not work out of the box they need support, so where does one go to get support.... either where they got it or the devs homepage... lmao by the way Ok, so I am supposed to check requirements everytime I want a brand new game made for PC, even though I built a monster of a machine that plays the very video games it was meant for? Also, those requirements didn't come up when I purchased the game online. Something that should of been clear when it first came out. And last to this point, those errors should not pop up like they did. It's proof of a horrible job. They should of had a checker, like I said people still are on the forums asking why they get these errors before getting into the game. Cockstar! Ya look where we are going go for support? The support for this game is the same as if I was alone and working on the issue. I can tell you all the temporary fixes and just not fix the game! I'll make a patch that requires another patch to fix it.... stupid huh? 4 letters, A E L M, rearrange, LAME. Oh, also to point out ---> Those requirements doesn't say 3.5 net frames. I can point out your out of your mind if you believe 1.5 gb will be some what playable with VISTA. Should put in requirements, be prepared to be lied too. Edited January 8, 2009 by ZaCkOX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logitechdog Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I don't mod information from a site, anyway thats steam problem..... but it is listed there... as they normally do list it under the game.... and when you could not get it to work, you would be going to the rockstar support page... and find the answer if following steam... as for checking game requirements... yes as if you had xp installed and the game says directx10 compatible only then your sat screwed... saying now I fing have to go and get vista joke or windows 7... whats building a computer, got to do with the software part... love to hear your monster of a computer by the way maybe a benchmark just to make sure your not full of it... IF you don't like problems, then get a console and have less problems ... they is more software and hardware for pcs than a console.... so it will need patchs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlipWillie Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 ahhh, this game's crap.... go get Saints Row 2 its out now f*cking troll... To put it simply, your PC is just not going to cut it, my recommendation is double your ram and pick up a cheap yet much better graphics card, something like a 9800GT..etc Wow. Okay, these are the minimum requirements for the game, taken from GamesForWindows.com OS: Windows Vista - Service Pack 1 / XP - Service Pack 3 Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8 Ghz, AMD Athlon X2 64 2.4 Ghz RAM: 1.5 GB Vista / 1 GB XP Hard Drive 16 GB Free Space Video Card: 256 MB Nvidia 7900 / 256 MB ATI X1900 Notice, 1 GB XP. He doesn't need to upgrade his ram. Granted, it won't hurt anything, and I definitely would recommend at least 2GB in XP and 4 GB in VISTA. If you meet minimum requirements, then the game should run. Maybe not well, but it should run. Something I have noticed a lot on this site is that if people are having technical problems with the game, others immediately accuse them of having hardware deficiencies. While some people may not have the best systems, most that I have seen at least meet the minimum requirements. The game does this for me, and look at my system Specs. I just upgraded my PC specifically to play this game. Talk about disappointment. If the game works for you, then great; however, a lot of people are still having issues with the game. In all honesty, the programming in the game is crap. Think logically for a moment -- How many other big name PC titles have this many widespread problems? None that I can think of. In fact, the problems in the game really remind me of Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing. From a company as large and successful as Rockstar, I, and many others, expect more. As stated in the OP's message, the textures are fine at first then gradually disappears. From what I have heard, the problem is caused by a memory leak. In other words, the game should be removing old textures from system memory in order to make room for new textures. Apparently, there is something wrong with the game. This being said, I am not sure why it works for some, and not for others. But I am quite sure it is due to either bad programming by rockstar, or bad drivers. Rockstar will either fix this, or they wont. The cynic inside me says they won't. They already got their money. Just as it is, Flip Willie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logitechdog Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 should not really upgrade a computer just for 1 game... anyway now I bet you like other games running better... allot of games have memory leaks... you can tell they deal with it when your screen pauses and then alt flash's... or it just freezes for a bit.... if you leave a game on long enough at one point it will crash.... since GTAIV has allot more in it... its going to happen faster... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockstar Toronto Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I have the game running currently on XP 32 with 1 Gig of Ram and an ATI X1950 card with 512mb of Ram. Screen Res is 800x480, textures on low, render on medium, view distance 21, detail distance 20. And yes Zackox, if your system RAM is not available for textures to load in you will have missing textures. This game is constantly streaming textures in, it doesn't load a "level" like the other games you mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlipWillie Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 (edited) And yes Zackox, if your system RAM is not available for textures to load in you will have missing textures. This game is constantly streaming textures in, it doesn't load a "level" like the other games you mention. Okay, Then according to my system specs, what should I be able to run this game at? I have tried a lot, and textures still stop loading. All I want is a solution. I want to play the game. Edited January 8, 2009 by FlipWillie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicotin3 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Again inexperience proves to be not me. 1.) SP3 has some problems SP2 does not, and hell no I also wouldn't even consider going to VISTA, let's all upgrade to that! Only I seem to know because I have 10 different computers and have done all the updating, fixing, and left and right sh*t stuff you guys have no idea exists. I bet you guys even use virus protections, again which is for NOOBS. Your inexperienced compared to me! 2.) Ram has nothing to do with visual textures, idiot. 3.) People that experience the same problem I did, are not always going to search for the answer, look through the errors, and steam doesn't tell you what you will need as requirements, 3.5 net frames, windows-live update, etc. So again, I'm crying? I think a lot of people that know little about their computer would be the one's crying. A lot of you think these problems are something else, but I will keep saying it, it's Rockstar's. They could of created a game that worked out of the box. A game without bloat wire. A game that worked properly like the xbox 360 version. For God Sake, if they made a real working emulator and you played the 360 version, it would be extremely smooth and fast. In most cases it looks better than the pc version considering we have to use low/mid most of the time to get the game to stop shutter. If we have to put 2 gbs of video memory on this game, and still are forced to low/mid graphics, there is something wrong! 1.) The game requires SP3 for XP, its a requirement and its written on the box and the games website, if you had met the requirements you wouldnt have come across so many problems. Yes, i use Vista and provided you have enough RAM and latest updates it performs well and is far more stable (and safe) than XP was at the same time. And yes, i have AV software and perform ocasional scans on my windows directory and scan all the files i download, perhaps the fact that you dont use AV software and dont update your OS contributes heavily to all your problems. 2.) Ofcourse not, the data is processed directly from the hardrive to the GPU... n00b... 3.) You should always read the requirements before you buy software, stop crying if you dont. Unlike console games PC games are very likely to encounter compatbility problems, you have many diferent hw combinations out there, from CPU's to graphics cards to operating systems (32 and 64 bit), im not rulling out potential compatbility problems with some of the HW out there, pc gaming is indeed complicated.. The only bloatware (imo) is the RGSC app, i personally dont have any use for it nor do i plan to use the video editor, GFWL is needed for MP and does a great job at it. If you really believe that emulating a game that runs at ~25/30 FPS on the xbox 360 would run extremely smooth and fast on a PC you are not worth wasting time with. You have PC problems, you dont update your PC, you didnt even post detailed system specifications, you need help. I dont have any problems and the game runs fine for me, i've been trying to help some other PC users too. Im going to help you run GTA IV in 3 easy steps. 1. Shut down your PC, you cant use it. 2. Buy an xbox 360, its idiot proof. 3 Buy GTA IV for the xbox 360 and enjoy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I have the game running currently on XP 32 with 1 Gig of Ram and an ATI X1950 card with 512mb of Ram. Screen Res is 800x480, textures on low, render on medium, view distance 21, detail distance 20. And yes Zackox, if your system RAM is not available for textures to load in you will have missing textures. This game is constantly streaming textures in, it doesn't load a "level" like the other games you mention. Also if you don't have enough ram in your brain your an idiot. Tell me 4 gbs of ram can cause this problem with no spyware, or applications running in the background? Let me just install GTA 4 and Vista again for the 10th time and show you to piss off. Dumbass. Instead of reading our sh*tty problems f*cken do something! I go home and keep coding, something your not doing! And for you other noobs, I'll lay the smack down on you when I get home. One picture will say it all. I'm sick of retards like you. Go somewhere else. If your gonna be stupid, you don't belong here trying to piss me off even though you pee brains do a good job of it! Same goes for you COCKSTARS! Make your game work then talk or comment about me. Otherwise, f*ck off, you con bastards, stole my money. I don't know why I told all my friends your game was so good then you do this sh*t for the PC version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logitechdog Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 ZaCkOX what programming language do you use? coz I cannot see it been any language covered by visual studio as you would of had .net installed, and what is your assembly size as you seem to not know how long it takes to do a large project... or you would know the time frame of launching it to the time they have had, is not enough... and if you where a good programmer then it would be a cake walk to get this game running... yet you lack basic skills in trouble shooting... so god knows what you’re like debugging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logitechdog Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 FlipWillie do you have a benchmark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Again inexperience proves to be not me. 1.) SP3 has some problems SP2 does not, and hell no I also wouldn't even consider going to VISTA, let's all upgrade to that! Only I seem to know because I have 10 different computers and have done all the updating, fixing, and left and right sh*t stuff you guys have no idea exists. I bet you guys even use virus protections, again which is for NOOBS. Your inexperienced compared to me! 2.) Ram has nothing to do with visual textures, idiot. 3.) People that experience the same problem I did, are not always going to search for the answer, look through the errors, and steam doesn't tell you what you will need as requirements, 3.5 net frames, windows-live update, etc. So again, I'm crying? I think a lot of people that know little about their computer would be the one's crying. A lot of you think these problems are something else, but I will keep saying it, it's Rockstar's. They could of created a game that worked out of the box. A game without bloat wire. A game that worked properly like the xbox 360 version. For God Sake, if they made a real working emulator and you played the 360 version, it would be extremely smooth and fast. In most cases it looks better than the pc version considering we have to use low/mid most of the time to get the game to stop shutter. If we have to put 2 gbs of video memory on this game, and still are forced to low/mid graphics, there is something wrong! 1.) The game requires SP3 for XP, its a requirement and its written on the box and the games website, if you had met the requirements you wouldnt have come across so many problems. Yes, i use Vista and provided you have enough RAM and latest updates it performs well and is far more stable (and safe) than XP was at the same time. And yes, i have AV software and perform ocasional scans on my windows directory and scan all the files i download, perhaps the fact that you dont use AV software and dont update your OS contributes heavily to all your problems. 2.) Ofcourse not, the data is processed directly from the hardrive to the GPU... n00b... 3.) You should always read the requirements before you buy software, stop crying if you dont. Unlike console games PC games are very likely to encounter compatbility problems, you have many diferent hw combinations out there, from CPU's to graphics cards to operating systems (32 and 64 bit), im not rulling out potential compatbility problems with some of the HW out there, pc gaming is indeed complicated.. The only bloatware (imo) is the RGSC app, i personally dont have any use for it nor do i plan to use the video editor, GFWL is needed for MP and does a great job at it. If you really believe that emulating a game that runs at ~25/30 FPS on the xbox 360 would run extremely smooth and fast on a PC you are not worth wasting time with. You have PC problems, you dont update your PC, you didnt even post detailed system specifications, you need help. I dont have any problems and the game runs fine for me, i've been trying to help some other PC users too. Im going to help you run GTA IV in 3 easy steps. 1. Shut down your PC, you cant use it. 2. Buy an xbox 360, its idiot proof. 3 Buy GTA IV for the xbox 360 and enjoy... OWNED!!!!!!!! http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture1.jpg http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture2.jpg http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture3.jpg http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture4.jpg http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture5.jpg Copy Paste, if click link doesn't work. I'll be an idiot and reply to your idiot-cy 1. My computer will eat yours. 2. Buy 4 or shut up 3. Buy 4 GTA IV for the xbox 360 and have fun with your friends. Now I laugh at you! HAH HA HA AH Noob And yes I know what it is like to work on huge coding projects, honestly all those monitors go to my computer too. I'm constantly writting code, and watching movies at the same time. It takes years to make a project completed, let alone make it almost bug-free. But I will tell you, people like me make damn sure our projects are coded better than the piece of sh*t GTA 4 for pc is. Lastly, if you use virus protection, here is some advice, get Deep Freeze, it will also prove to you Cockstar's programming is the problem, not hardware / spyware / viruses / whatever the f*ck you want to make up. The problem is Rockstar's. My advice to you Toronto is get to work, get off the forums and do something besides trying to comfort us and give us temporary f*cked up solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 And yeah, I would recommend 3gigs at the least, i have 8 and my memory usage can crawl up to 64% at times depending on how long I play. That is interesting, how much ram is GTA IV using on you? Yea, he's full of crap. I ahve 2 gigs and never went over 50% with this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlipWillie Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 FlipWillie do you have a benchmark? Yes, I do. I ran benchmark before I ever tried playing the game, so some of the settings are not the same anymore. -------------------------Benchmark---------------------- Statistics Average FPS: 43.96 Duration: 37.37 sec CPU Usage: 65% System memory usage: 77% Video memory usage: 79% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 1680 x 1050 (60 Hz) Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: High View Distance: 27 Detail Distance: 37 Hardware Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional x64 Edition Service Pack 2 Video Adapter: ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series Video Driver version: 6.14.10.6891 Audio Adapter: SB Live! Audio [E800] AMD Phenom 9950 Quad-Core Processor AMD Phenom 9950 Quad-Core Processor AMD Phenom 9950 Quad-Core Processor AMD Phenom 9950 Quad-Core Processor ------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniacks Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 hey guys, i bought gta 4 pc for 10 dollars (original indian rupee 495) which is totally awesome i think ppl r getting to kno the indian mindset ,My first original game for pc BUT I M HAVING PROBLEM REGISTERING FOR SOCIAL CLUB I JUST CANT REGISTER PLEEEESE HELP SYSTEM INFO amd phenom x4 9550 4gb ddr2 800 mhz ram 500 gb WD sata hdd Xfx Nvidia 8600 512 mb ddr3 asus m2a vm mother board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<Floyd> Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 OWNED!!!!!!!! http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture1.jpg http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture2.jpg http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture3.jpg http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture4.jpg http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture5.jpg Copy Paste, if click link doesn't work. I'll be an idiot and reply to your idiot-cy 1. My computer will eat yours. 2. Buy 4 or shut up 3. Buy 4 GTA IV for the xbox 360 and have fun with your friends. Now I laugh at you! HAH HA HA AH Noob And yes I know what it is like to work on huge coding projects, honestly all those monitors go to my computer too. I'm constantly writting code, and watching movies at the same time. It takes years to make a project completed, let alone make it almost bug-free. But I will tell you, people like me make damn sure our projects are coded better than the piece of sh*t GTA 4 for pc is. Lastly, if you use virus protection, here is some advice, get Deep Freeze, it will also prove to you Cockstar's programming is the problem, not hardware / spyware / viruses / whatever the f*ck you want to make up. The problem is Rockstar's. My advice to you Toronto is get to work, get off the forums and do something besides trying to comfort us and give us temporary f*cked up solutions. LMFAO this guys great "Deep Freeze" "Viruses" "Spyware" WTF????? Side Note: Can you reprogram my GTA IV if i send it you LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 OWNED!!!!!!!! http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture1.jpg http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture2.jpg http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture3.jpg http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture4.jpg http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture5.jpg Copy Paste, if click link doesn't work. I'll be an idiot and reply to your idiot-cy 1. My computer will eat yours. 2. Buy 4 or shut up 3. Buy 4 GTA IV for the xbox 360 and have fun with your friends. Now I laugh at you! HAH HA HA AH Noob And yes I know what it is like to work on huge coding projects, honestly all those monitors go to my computer too. I'm constantly writting code, and watching movies at the same time. It takes years to make a project completed, let alone make it almost bug-free. But I will tell you, people like me make damn sure our projects are coded better than the piece of sh*t GTA 4 for pc is. Lastly, if you use virus protection, here is some advice, get Deep Freeze, it will also prove to you Cockstar's programming is the problem, not hardware / spyware / viruses / whatever the f*ck you want to make up. The problem is Rockstar's. My advice to you Toronto is get to work, get off the forums and do something besides trying to comfort us and give us temporary f*cked up solutions. LMFAO this guys great "Deep Freeze" "Viruses" "Spyware" WTF????? Side Note: Can you reprogram my GTA IV if i send it you LMAO I wasn't joking, you aren't using that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partslinger Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Again inexperience proves to be not me. 1.) SP3 has some problems SP2 does not, and hell no I also wouldn't even consider going to VISTA, let's all upgrade to that! Only I seem to know because I have 10 different computers and have done all the updating, fixing, and left and right sh*t stuff you guys have no idea exists. I bet you guys even use virus protections, again which is for NOOBS. Your inexperienced compared to me! 2.) Ram has nothing to do with visual textures, idiot. 3.) People that experience the same problem I did, are not always going to search for the answer, look through the errors, and steam doesn't tell you what you will need as requirements, 3.5 net frames, windows-live update, etc. So again, I'm crying? I think a lot of people that know little about their computer would be the one's crying. A lot of you think these problems are something else, but I will keep saying it, it's Rockstar's. They could of created a game that worked out of the box. A game without bloat wire. A game that worked properly like the xbox 360 version. For God Sake, if they made a real working emulator and you played the 360 version, it would be extremely smooth and fast. In most cases it looks better than the pc version considering we have to use low/mid most of the time to get the game to stop shutter. If we have to put 2 gbs of video memory on this game, and still are forced to low/mid graphics, there is something wrong! 1.) The game requires SP3 for XP, its a requirement and its written on the box and the games website, if you had met the requirements you wouldnt have come across so many problems. Yes, i use Vista and provided you have enough RAM and latest updates it performs well and is far more stable (and safe) than XP was at the same time. And yes, i have AV software and perform ocasional scans on my windows directory and scan all the files i download, perhaps the fact that you dont use AV software and dont update your OS contributes heavily to all your problems. 2.) Ofcourse not, the data is processed directly from the hardrive to the GPU... n00b... 3.) You should always read the requirements before you buy software, stop crying if you dont. Unlike console games PC games are very likely to encounter compatbility problems, you have many diferent hw combinations out there, from CPU's to graphics cards to operating systems (32 and 64 bit), im not rulling out potential compatbility problems with some of the HW out there, pc gaming is indeed complicated.. The only bloatware (imo) is the RGSC app, i personally dont have any use for it nor do i plan to use the video editor, GFWL is needed for MP and does a great job at it. If you really believe that emulating a game that runs at ~25/30 FPS on the xbox 360 would run extremely smooth and fast on a PC you are not worth wasting time with. You have PC problems, you dont update your PC, you didnt even post detailed system specifications, you need help. I dont have any problems and the game runs fine for me, i've been trying to help some other PC users too. Im going to help you run GTA IV in 3 easy steps. 1. Shut down your PC, you cant use it. 2. Buy an xbox 360, its idiot proof. 3 Buy GTA IV for the xbox 360 and enjoy... OWNED!!!!!!!! http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture1.jpg http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture2.jpg http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture3.jpg http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture4.jpg http://site.staffordsfamouschocolates.com/Picture5.jpg Copy Paste, if click link doesn't work. I'll be an idiot and reply to your idiot-cy 1. My computer will eat yours. 2. Buy 4 or shut up 3. Buy 4 GTA IV for the xbox 360 and have fun with your friends. Now I laugh at you! HAH HA HA AH Noob And yes I know what it is like to work on huge coding projects, honestly all those monitors go to my computer too. I'm constantly writting code, and watching movies at the same time. It takes years to make a project completed, let alone make it almost bug-free. But I will tell you, people like me make damn sure our projects are coded better than the piece of sh*t GTA 4 for pc is. Lastly, if you use virus protection, here is some advice, get Deep Freeze, it will also prove to you Cockstar's programming is the problem, not hardware / spyware / viruses / whatever the f*ck you want to make up. The problem is Rockstar's. My advice to you Toronto is get to work, get off the forums and do something besides trying to comfort us and give us temporary f*cked up solutions. This is from Wikipedia: Advantages Deep Freeze protects the computer by utilizing a separate partition on the hard disk drive for write back. When the computer is rebooted, this partition is treated empty again and existing information on it is unaccessible. This allows users to make 'virtual' changes to the system, giving them the appearance that they can modify core files or even delete them, and even make the system unusable to themselves, but upon reboot the 'frozen' state of the operating system is restored. To make changes, a system administrator must 'unfreeze' the system partition, make any needed changes, and 'freeze' it again. These changes, in this way, are saved to the protected partition instead of the 'unfrozen' write back partition. Disdvantages While Deep Freeze will allow users to have the comfort of virtually modifying the system as they like, it does not control the programming of individual applications that are installed. If, for example, a user account under Windows is a 'limited' account, regardless if the users can actually effect some files or not, some application installers will assume the user can not and inform them they must be an administrator. In some applications, this can be bypassed by working in 'Windows 98 Compatibility mode', which has no such user restrictions that programs typically mind, but many application installers still find trouble with this. Deep Freeze only protects the operating system in a 'fresh booted' state. The protections the software offers can often be bypassed, for example, by installing a malicious, system wide application, especially if other users find this application popular and accept that it being installed when they log in means it is authentic. One user could install a modified version of a popular web browser that's been designed to save passwords to a server on the internet, then log out, then other users who log in would see that browser and may use it out of preference. To use the computer more safely, the user would have to restart the computer first. Deep Freeze also can not protect against direct access to a disk drive when the hosting operating system is not in control of the system. That is, if another operating system can be boot from another hard disk, a USB device, or optical media, they will have real access to the contents of the frozen and unfrozen partitions. This may be protected against by setting the first hard disk as the only bootable hard disk and password protecting the BIOS configuration, but if physical access to the computer is available, this can be bypassed with a BIOS reset or rearranging the hard drive installation. I don't know much about Antivirus programs, but I think I'll stick with Symantec Corporate. Deep Freeze sounds a little scary to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 (edited) This is from Wikipedia: Advantages Deep Freeze protects the computer by utilizing a separate partition on the hard disk drive for write back. When the computer is rebooted, this partition is treated empty again and existing information on it is unaccessible. This allows users to make 'virtual' changes to the system, giving them the appearance that they can modify core files or even delete them, and even make the system unusable to themselves, but upon reboot the 'frozen' state of the operating system is restored. To make changes, a system administrator must 'unfreeze' the system partition, make any needed changes, and 'freeze' it again. These changes, in this way, are saved to the protected partition instead of the 'unfrozen' write back partition. Disdvantages While Deep Freeze will allow users to have the comfort of virtually modifying the system as they like, it does not control the programming of individual applications that are installed. If, for example, a user account under Windows is a 'limited' account, regardless if the users can actually effect some files or not, some application installers will assume the user can not and inform them they must be an administrator. In some applications, this can be bypassed by working in 'Windows 98 Compatibility mode', which has no such user restrictions that programs typically mind, but many application installers still find trouble with this. Deep Freeze only protects the operating system in a 'fresh booted' state. The protections the software offers can often be bypassed, for example, by installing a malicious, system wide application, especially if other users find this application popular and accept that it being installed when they log in means it is authentic. One user could install a modified version of a popular web browser that's been designed to save passwords to a server on the internet, then log out, then other users who log in would see that browser and may use it out of preference. To use the computer more safely, the user would have to restart the computer first. Deep Freeze also can not protect against direct access to a disk drive when the hosting operating system is not in control of the system. That is, if another operating system can be boot from another hard disk, a USB device, or optical media, they will have real access to the contents of the frozen and unfrozen partitions. This may be protected against by setting the first hard disk as the only bootable hard disk and password protecting the BIOS configuration, but if physical access to the computer is available, this can be bypassed with a BIOS reset or rearranging the hard drive installation. I don't know much about Antivirus programs, but I think I'll stick with Symantec Corporate. Deep Freeze sounds a little scary to me. Actually the way they describe it is not very good in my opinion. They are somewhat right, but again also not. And I'll take "Deep Freeze" anyday vs. any other protection. Once you use it, you never go back to anything else. And of course I use my own custom settings vs the default one. So in a way what they are describing is right but I don't have the major disadvantages they stated. Also some of those disadvantages deal with windows 98. Ever since I went to "Deep Freeze" I have been able to leave the computer "fixed". What does this mean? Well I have built a computer for a client that continually goes on the internet, and since the 5+ years, it still hasn't had a single problem, and it never will. When I wasn't using this "deep freeze" most clients would give me a call 1 month later when their computer is completely infected, and by that point formatting alone won't fix some problems. Oh, before I forget, because of the custom way I use "Deep Freeze", I can add a lot of advantages Wiki doesn't have written. Don't always reference to Wiki, if I did so, I may have never used "Deep Freeze" myself. Ah heck, I thought I might as well post some advantages before I go: 1.) No viruses or spyware can stay on the hard drive or cause some type of corruption. 2.) Don't need to update, such like virus scanning and spyware scanning, they need updates all the time, and they can't always catch everything. So in a way your f*cked anyway, some day. No trial period. 3.) Computer is ALWAYS super fast, you don't have to worry about bloat wire getting installed, or regedit, or anything really getting corrupted unless it's the hardware itself. 4.) You can always test run, install something to see how it will work on the computer before making settings permanent. As we should all know, Windows Restore cannot do the same. 5.) Can go anywhere on the web and always be granted no infection upon restart, something virus scanning and spyware scanning cannot protect you from. Eventually you will find these other programs cannot help you. Anyways, good luck with your virus protection. You'll see what I mean someday, that is if you haven't already. Edited January 10, 2009 by ZaCkOX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logitechdog Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 funny why would the software let *Deep Freeze offers flexible scheduling options that enable IT administrators to easily create automated update and maintenance periods. Schedule Deep Freeze to allow system and virus definition updates to occur from predefined times—either with the Deep Freeze Enterprise Console or using your preferred third-party desktop management solution. if they let virus definitions updates... then they think you should be running a virus software... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<Floyd> Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 @ZaCkOX Of course i dont use deep freeze are you mental i am on a personal computer where when i change something its staying changed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggeo Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 ahhh, this game's crap.... go get Saints Row 2 its out now Your crap STFU!! If they fix it before Feb. then it will be good .... If not i'll delete it and replace it with another game from the store.... damn i waste my 60$ on this sh*t Well I admire the high level some people have. Just because they so feed up from R* and buy everything R* sell bad or good they think they just come here and curse. Iam with you on it, I wait 20 days more ,then I delete it and go out for saint raw 2. No more R* games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) funny why would the software let *Deep Freeze offers flexible scheduling options that enable IT administrators to easily create automated update and maintenance periods. Schedule Deep Freeze to allow system and virus definition updates to occur from predefined times—either with the Deep Freeze Enterprise Console or using your preferred third-party desktop management solution. if they let virus definitions updates... then they think you should be running a virus software... No actually that's because they don't want to stop other programs from updating. They allow the ability to turn off the deep freeze and maintenance it whenever you want with the time frame controls (This was developed for the windows updates). You don't need this feature unless your crazy about maintaining updates 24/7. You can install virus scanners along with deep freeze if you want too. I don't recommend it because if you knew how virus/spyware scanners work, well they are not only useless but can also corrupt your own data. Edited January 11, 2009 by ZaCkOX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaCkOX Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 @ZaCkOX Of course i dont use deep freeze are you mental i am on a personal computer where when i change something its staying changed.... And your personal computer is very likely to get infected with something not any virus/spyware scanner will be able to detect. Smart one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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