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I love you........

 

Right back at ya, toots.

 

 

Here we enter a field known as psychology. Religions use extremes to manipulate peoples motivations i.e. eternity of bliss or eternity of suffering. Children raised by religious parents are indoctrinated to believe this and not question from the time they are able to speak. This makes them closed-minded when they are more mature, they are unable to accept evidence which is contradictory to what they have been taught. Their childhood brainwashing makes "personal decision" irrelevant. Think about how a reasonable, intelligent person makes personal decisions- they are based on reason and experience.

 

Not everyone is dragged to the cloth, many people has some sort of experience which leads them to seek more information. I dont feel myself to be close-minded at all. I am open to other peoples views and opinions, which may or may not line up with my own. This is something of a bone that I am picking with you, because you are so convicted in your non-belief, that you are trying to railroad mine. I (and many others) made the personal decision to join a church, read a bible, pray, etc. Not until irrefutable evidence is turned up somewhere that God is indeed a 6'4" purple haired hippie ( ) the original Bush Administration used to scare us straight, will I stop believing that he exists.

 

 

You aren't talking to a theist from another religion, arguing your teachings over mine. We are different because we happen to be right. We get our knowledge from evidence and rationality, not ancient texts. This makes us a lot less vulnerable from believing the crazy or dishonest people.

Get over yourself already... You are just as bad as the super rightwinged religi-nuts who cut themselves to show God's amazing healing powers. All hail the know it alls.

 

 

I'm dont with the quotefest here, but the basic gist of my argument, is that you have no right to bash another's belief. You don't KNOW it to be wrong, you only BELIEVE it to be wrong. If you were such a scholar on the right/wrongs of religion then why dont you take your act on the road & teach the masses? Its because your Belief, just like mine, are exactly that, BELIEFS. That said, I respect yours, why not respect mine?

 

And about the whole walk like jesus thing you are throwing around - You are missing the whole point of Jesus's life. It doesnt say anywhere in the Bible that you should walk around giving all your earthly belongings away. Its just as stupid in the Bible as it is in real life. Jesus lived as an example of a perfect christian, however (this is for those of us that believe this, mind you) he died in order to allow ordinary people who dont live perfectly, to still be recieved as God's children, as long as they believe that he existed. Its really not as convoluted and difficult as all the different denominations make it out to be.

 

Again whether you beleive it or not, is a choice, not a chore.

And everybody else's point is, whatever you're trying to defend or say, it's still pulling this offtopic.

 

Doink, thx.

[hl_world]

 

Not everyone is dragged to the cloth, many people has some sort of experience which leads them to seek more information.

 

Children of religious parents don't really have a choice to be raised without religion and the brainwashing begins. Other reasons for becoming theistic include, fear of death, grievance over a loss etc. Whoever does this only thinks in the short-term under the influence of emotions. So it's not like they believe because the scriptures they read make sense to them and were turned around by the evidence.

 

 

I dont feel myself to be close-minded at all. I am open to other peoples views and opinions, which may or may not line up with my own. This is something of a bone that I am picking with you, because you are so convicted in your non-belief, that you are trying to railroad mine. I (and many others) made the personal decision to join a church, read a bible, pray, etc. Not until irrefutable evidence is turned up somewhere that God is indeed a 6'4" purple haired hippie ( ) the original Bush Administration used to scare us straight, will I stop believing that he exists.

 

How open minded can you possibly be? You say you read the bible so I think it's fair to assume you are Christian. Science has pretty much proven Christainity wrong. Look at this:

 

Fossil records -> natural history -> the theory of evolution -> destruction of creationism -> original sin known as illusory -> Jesus dying for what sins?

 

You don't even need science for the foundations of Christianity to fall on its ass. All you have to do is give it a few minutes of thought and reason. Think about it- if the judeo-christian god wanted us all to obey him, why do all these other religions in the world exist today? What about the fact that the Abrahamic religions are vastly predated by Hinduism. Are you know going to convert to Hinduism? I don't think so. If you gave theism any serious thought, you wouldn't be religious any more. It's just that f*cking simple, I'm afraid.

 

 

Get over yourself already... You are just as bad as the super rightwinged religi-nuts who cut themselves to show God's amazing healing powers. All hail the know it alls.

 

I know I said we happen to be right, but it's true. Science makes advances all the time, it continues to explain things that have always been attributed to god. There is less and less space in the shadows of knowledge for your god to hide. The only way you can keep ANY theism from our evidence is to adapt and find new shadows.

 

 

I'm dont with the quotefest here, but the basic gist of my argument, is that you have no right to bash another's belief. You don't KNOW it to be wrong, you only BELIEVE it to be wrong. If you were such a scholar on the right/wrongs of religion then why dont you take your act on the road & teach the masses? Its because your Belief, just like mine, are exactly that, BELIEFS. That said, I respect yours, why not respect mine?

 

The only reason you are a Christian is, basically, because of where you were born and raised. If you were born in the middle east, you would be Muslim; if you were born in Israel, you would be Jewish; if you were born in ancient Egypt, you would worship Ra. So why should I respect your belief? You don't even have a decent reason for your faith. I have logic and common sense behind my belief, you have geography of birth.

 

You also seem to think that beliefs should automatically be given unconditional respect. Think about where you picked up this idea.

 

 

And about the whole walk like jesus thing you are throwing around - You are missing the whole point of Jesus's life. It doesnt say anywhere in the Bible that you should walk around giving all your earthly belongings away. Its just as stupid in the Bible as it is in real life. Jesus lived as an example of a perfect christian, however (this is for those of us that believe this, mind you) he died in order to allow ordinary people who dont live perfectly, to still be recieved as God's children, as long as they believe that he existed. Its really not as convoluted and difficult as all the different denominations make it out to be.

 

I didn't want to do this but:

 

We know that we have come to know [Jesus] if we follow his commands. The man who says, "I know him," but does not is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

To be a Christian, you must obey Jesus. Jesus says:

 

Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple

 

The OT promotes slavery, human sacrifice, rape, murder etc. Unless you do these things or own a slave, even using the word "hypocrit" would cause death by irony.

 

It is thought that religion was created to control the masses. If the ancient theocrats knew that their legacy of indoctrination lived on to today, the would laugh their f*cking asses off. So I'm arguing with a drone here. It's obvious no amount of reasoning will get through to you unless you question your life-long beliefs. I feel like I'm wasting my f*cking time. If it turns out you're just an early/pre teen who plays GTA and goes on these forums to talk about it then it can be declared that I HAVE wasted my time and will waste no more trying to reason with a kid.

[Hayden]

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Reasoning with a theist is like reasoning with a sponge; you can present as much logic as you like, but in the end you're just talking to a vacuous space.