NickJ47 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) Yeah, I really don't see any point in arguing over this. Perhaps someone should contact Rockstar in relation to this and ask them to clarify it publicly? Hopefully they will soon, so we can forget about this. Nick Edit: Has anyone tried to contact them before? Has anyone been successful in receiving a reply? Edit #2: Just sent an email to Rockstar games asking them to confirm. Hopefully I'll get a reply. Edited July 3, 2009 by NickJ47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 The only thing we can all agree on is it was a Vance brother who died in the deal. Since the deceased's name was never actually revealed in the game it's anyone's guess really. Although I strongly believe the evidence that supports it wasn't him far outweighs the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flesh-n-Bone Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 The only thing we can all agree on is it was a Vance brother who died in the deal. Since the deceased's name was never actually revealed in the game it's anyone's guess really. Although I strongly believe the evidence that supports it wasn't him far outweighs the opposite. It's one of the rare times we are in full agreement, lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpetDweller Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 The only sort of possibility hinting towards Vic is that file of him on Vice City's site. But that was added some time around VCS's release. Which means for me that he was added as a big criminal and former "owner" of the city. There are MANY hints towards the guy NOT being Vic. Sorry to go back to this post, But I've seen lots of people claim that this part of the site was updated around VCS's release. I disagree. I once wrote up the storylines of the GTAIII era games for a website. I researched them thoughly including taking information and screen shots of VC's official website. I would have done this shortly after the release of San Andreas and certainly before LCS. The police notice board has not changed since that time. I do not believe VCS had any effect on that page of the website. It doesn't change anything, but I think that needs to be said as I keep seeing that stated every now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 The only thing we can all agree on is it was a Vance brother who died in the deal. Since the deceased's name was never actually revealed in the game it's anyone's guess really. Although I strongly believe the evidence that supports it wasn't him far outweighs the opposite. It's one of the rare times we are in full agreement, lol! lol yeah I know. I would hate to think it is Vic though. He's one of my favourite characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WES2000 Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 I have always thought this, and stuck to it. Okay, I honestly think that Victor is the one who was shot and killed, because of two reasons, one reason I can show evidence, and the other, is a theory that many other people think. The first reason - The Theory I along with many others think that Rockstar just didn't even think of making VCS at the time, and they just scrapped any voice actor they could find to use for Vic's voice on the first Vice City. Just like how Claude on GTA III had random pain grunts and such. I don't even think that the person who voiced as Victor was even credited, just like the person who did the voice work for Claude's pain noises. Another reason is Vic could have spent a long time with his family and caught his native country's accent, it really happens sometimes if you stay at a certain place for a while. The second reason - The Evidence The only reason why I think it is Victor, and the reason why I hate thinking so is because Victor is probably my second favorite GTA Character under Niko, because he and Niko are really the nicest main characters, and know how to handle anything that throws at them with ease, and sometimes not even having to pick up a gun. Anyway, this is the reason why I have stuck with Victor being the one who gets shot at the beginning with Vice City... Notice that it says, only two members and of course, it says Victor Vance. I did not edit this in anyway, I took this off of the offical Vice City website, if you do not believe me, have a look for your self. Forgive me if this has already been brought up, I have not read the entire topic. Well, maybe Lance just stole Vic's ID card and gave it to Pete? So that whenever he has to show his ID to the cops, they think he's Vic, lol. I doubt Vic was the guy who was killed, I mean, why would R* kill a protagonist like that? I mean, after Vic's been through in VCS, I seriously don't know how he could act the way he did at the deal.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 (edited) Actually something has struck me as odd about that picture. Why is Vic's card the only one in that picture that doesn't have a photo of him? If that was always there since the release of VC it would have a picture of him right? Like I said Lance's "brother" was never actually given a name in VC, so I reckon along with other people that was added at the time VCS was released. Edited July 4, 2009 by Miamivicecity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WES2000 Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Wow! Great find there Miamivicecity, I never actually noticed that Dx. Now there's one less reason to believe that Vic Vance on the VC website is the Vic at the deal! : D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omnia sunt Communia Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Actually something has struck me as odd about that picture. Why is Vic's card the only one in that picture that doesn't have a photo of him? If that was always there since the release of VC it would have a picture of him right? Like I said Lance's "brother" was never actually given a name in VC, so I reckon along with other people that was added at the time VCS was released. There are numerous cards that do not have a picture attached to them. A few examples include; Georgio Forelli, Mercedes Cortez, Steve Scott and Candy Suxxx. I think the reason Victor Vance's card doesn't have a picture is because he is a minor character. Minor characters don't seem to have a picture attached to their cards (there are a few exceptions, however). Though there are a few inconsistancies revolving that board and VCS. For one Lance's card states that he "recently moved into town with his brother" when we know for a fact that he has been operating in Vice City since 1984. Therefore I don't think we can take anything on that board as 100% fact, not now since VCS has been released and retconned a few things. I'm split down the middle when it comes to who was at the drug deal. On the one hand I think it is Victor Vance who was at the deal and the differences in posture, appearance and voice can be accounted to retconning like Toni's voice and weight in Liberty City Stories; but on the other hand I believe Rockstar created the character of Pete Vance in order to stop Victor Vance from dying. As in, it was originally meant to be Victor at the deal, but when they created VCS they created Pete to take his place. I really can't decide which way to go with this one. It's still one of GTA's biggest mysteries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WES2000 Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 It's still one of GTA's biggest mysteries. And for some reason, I doubt Rockstar will confirm Vic's status in VC anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playstation_Loyalist Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 It is some sort of technical mistake on Rockstar's part. But it was inevitable. I mean, in 2002 it was only Vice City in their minds when they developed the game. They haven't thought of VCS AND a game for the PSP. Time warping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 (edited) On the one hand I think it is Victor Vance who was at the deal and the differences in posture, appearance and voice can be accounted to retconning like Toni's voice and weight in Liberty City Stories; but on the other hand I believe Rockstar created the character of Pete Vance in order to stop Victor Vance from dying. As in, it was originally meant to be Victor at the deal, but when they created VCS they created Pete to take his place. . Yeah, but Toni's appearance wasn't a retcon, because there was an explanation given for it. He was given crap off everyone in LCS for being skinny, so 3 years later he had gained a noticable amount of weight. Even with these changes we can tell the two are the same. In the case of Vic though IMO the changes are way more extreme to the point where it really is like there are two different people. Now if Vic's name was said in VC I would comfortably say that it is a case of retconing. Since nothing internally in VC proves that it is Vic I don't think it was him, but we all know a Vance brother died nonetheless. I think R* like creating stuff like this. They done it with Claude by giving him a name in SA, and most people think he's Claude Speed from GTA II. Edited July 5, 2009 by Miamivicecity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexielovesgta Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 On the one hand I think it is Victor Vance who was at the deal and the differences in posture, appearance and voice can be accounted to retconning like Toni's voice and weight in Liberty City Stories; but on the other hand I believe Rockstar created the character of Pete Vance in order to stop Victor Vance from dying. As in, it was originally meant to be Victor at the deal, but when they created VCS they created Pete to take his place. . Yeah, but Toni's appearance wasn't a retcon, because there was an explanation given for it. He was given crap off everyone in LCS for being skinny, so 3 years later he had gained a noticable amount of weight. Even with these changes we can tell the two are the same. In the case of Vic though IMO the changes are way more extreme to the point where it really is like there are two different people. Now if Vic's name was said in VC I would comfortably say that it is a case of retconing. Since nothing internally in VC proves that it is Vic I don't think it was him, but we all know a Vance brother died nonetheless. I think R* like creating stuff like this. They done it with Claude by giving him a name in SA, and most people think he's Claude Speed from GTA II. Nah I don't think he's really dead tbh. But then in GTA IV none of the old characters appear coz most of them are dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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