Algonquin Assassin Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Just like how Toni was retconned to be skinny in Liberty City Stories (though that may be a bit different). It's not really a retcon, because there was a explanation for Toni's weight gain. With this though nothing proves that it's Vic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjay99 Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Isn't it obvious? Vic is alive. First: He doesn't dress like that second: He doesn't like Lance that well and Third: he doesn't have an accent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiIIiam Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 (edited) I guess the case can never be solved, until R* says something about it. So we can all believe what we wanna believe..! P.S. I believe Vic is alive, because of all the EVIDENCE that shows why he WASN'T at that deal. Oh, and another thing--if that WAS Vic in the deal, what if he didn't get shot? The shooters at the deal could've been idiots (they grab the case & run without checking if the guys they shot are dead)!! after that, Vic could've got up and ran/walked away. xD Edited May 18, 2009 by zavier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerner Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 In theory that could have happened, but Lance says that they killed his brother, which is obviously referring to the people at the deal with him, that fact puts a hole right in the middle of your theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiIIiam Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 (edited) In theory that could have happened, but Lance says that they killed his brother, which is obviously referring to the people at the deal with him, that fact puts a hole right in the middle of your theory. Well, if I remember (don't remember the intro cutscene too well), didn't Lance fly away the moment Vic fell down? Maybe Lance just immediately assumed that his dear brother was dead, and so he flew away without a moment to waste. Sooo, when he saw Tommy, he kept "talking" about his "dead" brother, still believing his assumption. However, Vic was still alive, and maybe didn't phone Lance for some reason (didn't know his number? lol), and went to investigate who tried sabotaging the deal, or something. I don't mean to sound mean or start an argument, just posting my theory . Edited May 18, 2009 by zavier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoverProject Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 (edited) Guys, its Vic. Remember when Lance calls you and says he wants a fair slice, don't treat me like I fool, my brother would do that, please man don't do that. Your embarrassing me in front of the boys, I can't have that. In VCS, Vic treated Lance like a fool. Edited May 15, 2009 by DiscoverProject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flesh-n-Bone Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Pete may have also treated him bad because we know what an idiot he is. Besides, he might say "would do that" because Vic no longer cared about him and anything he wants and simply told him to stay away from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiIIiam Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 (edited) don't treat me like I fool, my brother would do that, please man don't do that. Your embarrassing me in front of the boys, I can't have that. So? That doesn't mean he said Vic was dead. Like FnB said, Vic maybe stopped acting like that to Lance, right..? Edited May 18, 2009 by zavier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfmight Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Just wanted to post some visual comparison of "Victor Vance" and the "Unknown Vance Brother" physically impossible to change skull sizes. too goofy for character development for rockstar too for someone to go from buff head to pin head. It's just too silly, even for GTA to change someone's head size that much. The forehead size does not shrink 50%+... Edited May 22, 2009 by Wolfmight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d.nivatkar Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Maybe they just re-skinned him so he looks like a hero, not some doofus ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJX74 Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Guys, its Vic. Remember when Lance calls you and says he wants a fair slice, don't treat me like I fool, my brother would do that, please man don't do that. Your embarrassing me in front of the boys, I can't have that. In VCS, Vic treated Lance like a fool. He wasn't necessarily refering to the brother who died, he still could have been talking about Vic. 0. Its really confusing with the "i'm outta this business" to Vic name in the VC site. R* can't make up their minds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiIIiam Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Guys, its Vic. Remember when Lance calls you and says he wants a fair slice, don't treat me like I fool, my brother would do that, please man don't do that. Your embarrassing me in front of the boys, I can't have that. In VCS, Vic treated Lance like a fool. He wasn't necessarily refering to the brother who died, he still could have been talking about Vic. 0. Its really confusing with the "i'm outta this business" to Vic name in the VC site. R* can't make up their minds Oh right, forgot about the site. Well, cops aren't always accurate, are they? The Vice City cops aren't too smart . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerner Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Maybe they just re-skinned him so he looks like a hero, not some doofus ? I hate to break it to you, but it is basically impossible to reskin a human face, especially in the 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upaluppa Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Maybe he just visited Dr. Horrowitz ? (He's responsible for Reni's many sex changes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerner Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Maybe he just wanted many sex changes How dare you call Vic a transvestite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batuhan Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 He has alive , yeah . Lance left him , when he take the money . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playstation_Loyalist Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 We can't really assume whether it was Victor Vance or it was the other brother who died in the deal in 1986. Though many assume that Victor is the one who died in the deal, this didn't came as an evident answer as the official Vice City site had just been updated by Rockstar after they released VCS in 2007. Adding to the confusion is the decision of Rockstar to include another Vance brother in the name of Pete. So the conclusion is this: The Hawaiian shirted-man killed in the deal is ONE of the Vance Brothers, related to Lance Vance. 'Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackass2009 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Vic angrily said he DOESN'T want to get involved with the whole 20 keys in the end of VCS, I don't see how he agreed to leave town WITH them, he told Lance to get rid of them as soon as possible. When Vic said to get rid of the coke ASAP, and if it took 2 years he could've just snorted some (1 key) every month then go into rehab for the last 4 months then live a normal life. Or he could've found a buyer in '84 or '85 or earlier '86. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flesh-n-Bone Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Who? Vic would never touch drugs for personal use. So if you meant Lance, even that is not really easy to see. Because in the intro for Vice City, Lance is with his brother (unnamed) and they sell the 20kg cocaine to the Forellis (with Tommy Vercetti as the Forelli member.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 The accent issue is irrelevant as we see how Salvatore Leone's accent went from American with a hint of Sicilian in LCS to full blow Sicilian accent in GTA3. They could have gotten a new voice actor, it's not like there's an answer to real life in GTA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playstation_Loyalist Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Agree with igloo. Rockstar wants a voice actor? They would get it whatever-the-damn-sh*t-they-can-do. Though if they fail, then they would get another one, so the accent issue is really a trash for this topic. Nah. Whatever. I'm tired of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gta Guy 108 Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 I have always thought this, and stuck to it. Okay, I honestly think that Victor is the one who was shot and killed, because of two reasons, one reason I can show evidence, and the other, is a theory that many other people think. The first reason - The Theory I along with many others think that Rockstar just didn't even think of making VCS at the time, and they just scrapped any voice actor they could find to use for Vic's voice on the first Vice City. Just like how Claude on GTA III had random pain grunts and such. I don't even think that the person who voiced as Victor was even credited, just like the person who did the voice work for Claude's pain noises. Another reason is Vic could have spent a long time with his family and caught his native country's accent, it really happens sometimes if you stay at a certain place for a while. The second reason - The Evidence The only reason why I think it is Victor, and the reason why I hate thinking so is because Victor is probably my second favorite GTA Character under Niko, because he and Niko are really the nicest main characters, and know how to handle anything that throws at them with ease, and sometimes not even having to pick up a gun. Anyway, this is the reason why I have stuck with Victor being the one who gets shot at the beginning with Vice City... Notice that it says, only two members and of course, it says Victor Vance. I did not edit this in anyway, I took this off of the offical Vice City website, if you do not believe me, have a look for your self. Forgive me if this has already been brought up, I have not read the entire topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mince Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 I think it could be either one. When I decide on one of them the clues point back to the other one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flesh-n-Bone Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 The only sort of possibility hinting towards Vic is that file of him on Vice City's site. But that was added some time around VCS's release. Which means for me that he was added as a big criminal and former "owner" of the city. There are MANY hints towards the guy NOT being Vic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJX74 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) And i heard this theory before: that Pete was pretending to be Victor so they could both get some cash. Me i was thought that it was intended to be the dead brother, but for whatever reason changed their minds, and two hints were added: Pete, another brother, and the whole reluctance and the i-don't-wanna-sell-drugs-anymore attitude. I mean that's what they did in LCS, pick a character from the previous game. Edited July 3, 2009 by RJX74 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ47 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Anyway, this is the reason why I have stuck with Victor being the one who gets shot at the beginning with Vice City... Notice that it says, only two members and of course, it says Victor Vance. I did not edit this in anyway, I took this off of the offical Vice City website, if you do not believe me, have a look for your self. Thats clear enough. I think that it is Rockstars choice. If Vic is dead, he's dead, there's nothing we can do, apart from debate it on the forums, like this. Personally, I think it was Vic who was killed in Vice City, and since Vice City was produced before Vice City Stories, I think that Rockstar, when producing VCS didn't want Vic to have an Hispanic, etc, accent for the game, it would ruin it for the player, and obviously they couldn't change his accent in Vice City. In relation to his accent, I reviewed the opening scene of Vice City not too long ago and found that Vic was barely audible, and having this factored into VCS would ruin it for the player, hence the decision to make VCS with a more american Vic. I think that production ideals led Rockstar to ignoring the fact of Vics somewhat varying characteristics in Vice City, and went forward with giving him a more american feel for VCS. Seriously, I think Vic is dead, not that I want that. He was one of my top 3. That's just my opinion... Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 The first reason - The Theory I along with many others think that Rockstar just didn't even think of making VCS at the time, and they just scrapped any voice actor they could find to use for Vic's voice on the first Vice City. Just like how Claude on GTA III had random pain grunts and such. I don't even think that the person who voiced as Victor was even credited, just like the person who did the voice work for Claude's pain noises. Another reason is Vic could have spent a long time with his family and caught his native country's accent, it really happens sometimes if you stay at a certain place for a while. Yeah, but the two still don't look anything alike. IMO Also I'm not sure if he would be able to catch his native accent in a 2 year period. One of my brother's friends is from a Korean background, and he speaks with an Australian accent. His mother still uses the Korean accent, and he's lived with her all of his life. I don't know. It just doesn't make sense that someone like Vic that spoke in a normal American accent would adopt a fluent Dominican accent in such a short amount of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom2510 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 The whole police file proves nothing, I think. I mean, the VCPD wouldn't have anything on Pete if it was his first deal. Maybe Lance didn't tell Pete what they were going to be doing until they were half way there, and when Pete wanted out, Lance convinced Pete to stay, told him that he could get rich, used the same persuasion methods he used on Vic. And maybe, when Diaz's men started shooting, he had an asthma attack. Of course everything in this topic is just speculation. Perhaps R* will later issue an official statement about this, since this is (as far as I know) the only unresolved issue of the GTA III era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ47 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 The whole police file proves nothing, I think. I mean, the VCPD wouldn't have anything on Pete if it was his first deal. Maybe Lance didn't tell Pete what they were going to be doing until they were half way there, and when Pete wanted out, Lance convinced Pete to stay, told him that he could get rich, used the same persuasion methods he used on Vic. And maybe, when Diaz's men started shooting, he had an asthma attack. Of course everything in this topic is just speculation. Perhaps R* will later issue an official statement about this, since this is (as far as I know) the only unresolved issue of the GTA III era. I see your point, however, after reviewing the opening cutscene for GTA: VC, the 'Vance Family Member' (whether it be Vic or Pete) seems confident, as though it isn't there first time. They even seem somewhat relaxed, not a common characteristic of someone who doesn't want to go through with something or has hesitation, which is why I doubt your theory, but I see your point. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgtafan Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Anyway, this is the reason why I have stuck with Victor being the one who gets shot at the beginning with Vice City... Notice that it says, only two members and of course, it says Victor Vance. I did not edit this in anyway, I took this off of the offical Vice City website, if you do not believe me, have a look for your self. Thats clear enough. I think that it is Rockstars choice. If Vic is dead, he's dead, there's nothing we can do, apart from debate it on the forums, like this. Personally, I think it was Vic who was killed in Vice City, and since Vice City was produced before Vice City Stories, I think that Rockstar, when producing VCS didn't want Vic to have an Hispanic, etc, accent for the game, it would ruin it for the player, and obviously they couldn't change his accent in Vice City. In relation to his accent, I reviewed the opening scene of Vice City not too long ago and found that Vic was barely audible, and having this factored into VCS would ruin it for the player, hence the decision to make VCS with a more american Vic. I think that production ideals led Rockstar to ignoring the fact of Vics somewhat varying characteristics in Vice City, and went forward with giving him a more american feel for VCS. Seriously, I think Vic is dead, not that I want that. He was one of my top 3. That's just my opinion... Nick Nick has said it all. Lets close this stupid topic now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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