Vic Vance

[Flesh-n-Bone]

 

please read my posts and think them over before you respond, you will understand why. The whole things, not just little bits you scan since my posts are "so long", in so few of your words. Don't take offense, this post to you is about being thickheaded, not about being a dick. I think you're not seeing how cool that intro scene really is.

 

No, you are giving me support to my "theory" with each thing you say. With each assumption I make about the story, you correct one tiny aspect of it, and make me realize where it fits in there now too.

 

You did not even read my entire post to realize you are helping me because you don't realize that in itself. It is also evident by your calling those tiny little paragraphs of mine a big post, in so few words. That is nothing, and it goes to show...

 

Be selective all you want. I am telling you, point blank, you are wrong about this not being Vic, and I am wrong about some of the details that support it - ALL THE WHILE - you are f*cking handing me even more supporting evidence by clearing up the story a bit more than I already have it.

 

Thus, since you are literally Dense and you really are only ever noticed by me when I see you disagreeing with me (which has been often enough on this same two games), your replies to me will from now on be ignored unless they come with sense and you stop f*cking denying that That Is Vic f*cking Vance On The Meat Hook, NOT the f*cking 'Cuban Pete' Who Gets Killed I know for a f*cking Fact, stop Doubting THAT detail and lets start appreciating the better parts of the damn games, they were made to convey something. wtf.

 

Jesus, did your parents force you to have a N64 when you were a kid or something? You're not being a dick or anything, but you are being soooo dense right now when you are even proving it and I'm so glad you are telling me these details, but you are not seeing how awesome that is. That is some never before seen stuff right there in video games AND other mediums. Dude, this is and amazing discovery.

 

And EVERYONE who thinks Vic was 'Cuban Pete' need to be told about it, because I f*cking guarantee THEY will realize it, while you who aleady know it isn't Cuban Pete will not realize that "Yes, it is NOT cuban pete, but Chngdmans pic IS vic vance"

but I am actually happy you dont realize it because now you are helping me and giving me even more understanding of the story and why that pic is indeed vic vance and fixing my misconceptions with the rest of the story at the same time.

How do I give you "support"? Maybe in your own world, but not mine. The whole "Vic being the frozen guy in Marco's Bistro" is something you have come up with today.

 

What is this whole thing about? I am correcting your information because I am confirming the facts, am I supposed to lie in order to prove your argument wrong? Not the last time I was told.

 

I am giving you help with clearing up the story? Good, because that's what you need to realize, how the story goes on... It's not a "dissing battle" so that ain't about luring others into false information or anything but rather another fan-fiction idea above all the mysteries Rockstar has left us with, such as did Claude kill Maria in the final scene of GTA3 when the screen went black? and what happened to Donald Love, why did he disappear?. This is a similar case where we are left with our own ideas and excuses to make up an answer for the simple question who was the Vance brother in Vice City and the debuted, "Is Vic in Marco's Bistro?" thing.

 

Did you really have to bring parents into the picture? The whole thing was going on very well, but you flawed even more when you have decided to respond immaturely with this...

 

The point is... we don't know anything, the whole thing about Vic being in that pic you posted is a fan-fiction theory you have come up with, while the question about which Vance brother died during the drug deal is the other one that has been discussed since the release of VCS.

 

Since your post didn't have anything to do with the argument other than "telling me off", I don't know if there's anything more left. And who is "Cuban Pete", you're so right that it isn't Vic in the drug deal but the Vance family are originally from Dominican Republican which would make it the "Dominican Pete".

 

I'm more than happy to have you ignore my posts, because the things you say are all your own ideas and you never back it up other than a bunch of simple "maybe this and maybe that" posts. No offense but I'm not trying to start a fight either, I was responding nicely until that's how you decided to come out.

And I see you edited your post and added a pic comparing Vic with the frozen guy, really, how can you think they even look-a-like? Are you going to come back with another mental tough post, then go for it, I don't care like I said.

 

Have a nice day.

[chngdman]

I'm sorry I brought up parents, it wasn't the way you took it though Really, I meant it as a "did you eat paint chips" kind of joke, trying to actually lighten the post up. Look at the new pic.

 

I can't screen shot my PS2, but I'd hook it up if I could. Maybe watch a youtube video and pause it at that exact angle the corpse is at right now, it's vic dude. And it's not just a guess, I know it is vic vance, like, especially with all the holes it has filled between our posts in the story (for me at least..) This is eactly where lance fits in, its exactly why tommy was sent, vic was eliminated in a meeting with them.

 

I think I read that vic died in a meeting with the forellis.

 

Here is a new photo:

 

[Smiley001]

Actually this has got me thinking about the real reason R* actually created Pete as an unseen character. Pete was used in the story as a sick brother who Vic had to help, so he joined the army. But Vic also mentioned that his mom was a hopeless drug addict and Lance was always up to no good. R* could have easily used this mom and Lance story as a reason good enough to put Vic in charge of earning the bread, but still they also created a third brother. So my guess is they created Pete as the possible drug deal victim instead of just using him as a reason for Vic to earn money.

[TunaKiller6]

I am with Flesh. Look, people that played VCS are the only ones to understand Vic's real natura. He is calm, intelligent and a man of his word. Do you think that such person could just get killed? I don't think so.

 

In every more dangerous mission in VCS he isn't sure about it and usually doesn't like it, although he does it, but being greatly ready for anything bad.

 

I don't think that that person in VC is him because he won't just stand there and let the thugs shoot him. I am sure that with his nature he would roll away and started shooting them or something, because as I said, he was always prepared.

 

Victor ftw.

[Smiley001]

I am with Flesh. Look, people that played VCS are the only ones to understand Vic's real natura. He is calm, intelligent and a man of his word. Do you think that such person could just get killed? I don't think so.

 

In every more dangerous mission in VCS he isn't sure about it and usually doesn't like it, although he does it, but being greatly ready for anything bad.

 

I don't think that that person in VC is him because he won't just stand there and let the thugs shoot him. I am sure that with his nature he would roll away and started shooting them or something, because as I said, he was always prepared.

 

Victor ftw.

I agree, that guy in the opening cutscene of VC was nothing like Vic in VCS. So yeah, my guess is it really was Pete in the cutscene unless R* intentionally created Vic in VCS as the same person in the VC cutscene in order to create a continuity error...

[Playstation_Loyalist]

Flesh-n-Bone FTW.

 

Vic Vance is not a dude who would just let himself killed. He was in the army, not the navy. Looking at the cut scenes in VCS, Victor had those special decisions that kept him alive. And WHY in hell would Victor Vance do in Liberty City?

 

You said that Sonny Forelli could have contacted Victor Vance? He clearly didn't said ANYTHING about the partners he have to negotiate with in Vice. He doesn't even know the shepherd, who is Ken Rosenberg. He just knew that the family mafia needs to take part in the "American Dream" in the south, in speaking of drugs. And look, there's no such thing as "Cuban Pete" in the GTA Universe. Like what Flesh-n-Bone said, the Vance Brothers are from the Dominican Republic. So why would there be a "Cuban Pete" thing in GTA?

 

Look, it's your imagination working. Great, but don't abuse it. You may propose it, but please, don't say that it's the truth. You are just getting yourself in a thick of a fight. We have the fan fictions part of the Expression group. Feel free to post your ideas if you want to apply your ideas into something worthy.

[TunaKiller6]

Dudes, you are making me play VCS again

[godfather97]

Well vic didn't act liked a idiot in vcs. but inh the intro for vice city he looked liked he was acting he took some coke. it must be Pete

[sonnyC]

please read my posts and think them over before you respond, you will understand why. The whole things, not just little bits you scan since my posts are "so long", in so few of your words. Don't take offense, this post to you is about being thickheaded, not about being a dick. I think you're not seeing how cool that intro scene really is.

 

No, you are giving me support to my "theory" with each thing you say. With each assumption I make about the story, you correct one tiny aspect of it, and make me realize where it fits in there now too.

 

You did not even read my entire post to realize you are helping me because you don't realize that in itself. It is also evident by your calling those tiny little paragraphs of mine a big post, in so few words. That is nothing, and it goes to show...

 

Be selective all you want. I am telling you, point blank, you are wrong about this not being Vic, and I am wrong about some of the details that support it - ALL THE WHILE - you are f*cking handing me even more supporting evidence by clearing up the story a bit more than I already have it.

 

Thus, since you are literally Dense and you really are only ever noticed by me when I see you disagreeing with me (which has been often enough on this same two games), your replies to me will from now on be ignored unless they come with sense and you stop f*cking denying that That Is Vic f*cking Vance On The Meat Hook, NOT the f*cking 'Cuban Pete' Who Gets Killed I know for a f*cking Fact, stop Doubting THAT detail and lets start appreciating the better parts of the damn games, they were made to convey something. wtf.

 

Jesus, did your parents force you to have a N64 when you were a kid or something? You're not being a dick or anything, but you are being soooo dense right now when you are even proving it and I'm so glad you are telling me these details, but you are not seeing how awesome that is. That is some never before seen stuff right there in video games AND other mediums. Dude, this is and amazing discovery.

 

And EVERYONE who thinks Vic was 'Cuban Pete' need to be told about it, because I f*cking guarantee THEY will realize it, while you who aleady know it isn't Cuban Pete will not realize that "Yes, it is NOT cuban pete, but Chngdmans pic IS vic vance"

but I am actually happy you dont realize it because now you are helping me and giving me even more understanding of the story and why that pic is indeed vic vance and fixing my misconceptions with the rest of the story at the same time.

The only one being DENSE around here is YOU, Chngdman. You can't even read what the others are telling you, you're stubborn as a donkey.

 

I totally agree with Flesh-n-Bone. The asshole on the meat hook at Marco's Bistro is NOT Vic Vance. He doesn't even look like Vic. It's just some other jerk-off who got what he deserved, maybe even a convicted jerk-off. Look at his outfit, for God's sake: he looks like a convict, who just got out of jail and went straight to Marco's Bistro to grab a snack. And he has no mustache, no beard, just a bald skull and one eye, which is hardly noticable.

 

About all the other things you posted, I think that's just a made-up story, which you came up with yourself. I mean, yeah, Vic left Vice City at the end of VCS, but he didn't mention where he was heading. Even if he did go to Liberty, he never would've met with the Forellis, 'cause Sonny Forelli a the drug baron in Liberty, and Vic certainly gave his word at the end of VCS that he was never going to deal drugs.

 

And for God's sake, go through the VC intro again. Tommy Vercetti just got out jail after being there for 15 years. Before being sent to prison, Tommy worked as a hitman for Sonny and in the mission "Keep Your Friends Close" he mentioned that he was sent by Sonny to kill somebody, for which he was sent to prison for 15 years. When he got out in 1986, Sonny then came up with the idea to send Tommy to that coke deal in Vice City, while Vic was somewhere else taking care of his family. You catch my drift now?

 

So, the asshole on the meat hook is NOT Vic Vance and all those posts of yours - just a FALSE STORY which you came up with about Vic all of a sudden getting into the drug game and messing with the Forellis' business.

[zainprox]

should we wait and see if it comes out in gta5?

[Mr_Smith]

1) how old was he in VCS.

 

~What year was it in VCS, and what year was it in that intro. It depends how old Vic was in VCS and how old he should be in VC.~

 

That guy did not look like Vic Vance At all

2) If that's him in VC intro, how old is he.

[XZGamer71]

should we wait and see if it comes out in gta5?

Different eras mate, not a chance we'll see some Sequel in V. Sorry.

[Mr_Smith]

should we wait and see if it comes out in gta5?

Different eras mate, not a chance we'll see some Sequel in V. Sorry.

You have no idea what Rockstar* are planning lol.

[zainprox]

at first i din't want to believe that vic died.

 

it was vic:

1 in the intro video when the main character of vc when in the car, there was this guy talking.he said ' so they are brothers ok? one operates the business and the other one does the flying' then at the docks, the same guy said 'thats them in the chopper'

 

it was pete: he walked like he had asthma

his posture was not like in vcs.

its not easy to change the way you naturally walk

vic didnt talk like in vcs

he would'nt say 'the greens?' he would say something like 'you got the ,money?'

 

 

remember. the guy said' thats them in the chopper' but lance could have convinced pete to go if vic refused(vic didnt kniow that lance took him to the deal)

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Wait, first you say it's Vic who dies and then come up with reasons that it is Pete instead?

 

Also, Vic never operated the businesses with Lance, he only saved him when deals would go wrong.

[Blackbird88]

Stop using gta wikia as your source. It's just a random site where random people write stuff. Don't show that as your source, it's just as bad as using fansites and wikipedia to prove your point. Happy sleeping, you haven't proved a crap with your post. I am also there you'll recognize me as (GTA4PC), yeah I know what a stupid username but back then I really wanted to play GTA4 on PC even though I don't even have it now.

 

And Toni has aged because he has been fatter, you are intelligent enough to realize it or?

 

I have at least explained my beliefs with words and not used fansites and such to prove my point. ROCKSTAR NEVER SAID A WORD WHETHER IT WAS VIC OR PETE, it's left to us F-A-N-S to speculate and give our view. I believe it's Pete, you believe it's Vic, enough said.

 

 

Truth.

 

 

 

EDIT: OK, here are my proofs as to why I believe Vic didn't die in the VC intro...

 

 

1. Vic in VCS didn't have an accent and spoke English in a proper American way.

- Yes that's one of the main reasons we believe Pete died instead, there is no reason Vic would change his way of speaking like that.

 

2. The guy in VC sounded like he had suffered from asthma or some sickness.

- That's the case with Pete, in the end of VCS Vic sends some money to him and the bills are paid so he gets better.

 

3. The appearance between Vic and the VC brother changes a lot.

- Not only clothes, but the eyes and the head size have suddenly changed? I know weight, hair and stuff can change in two years but never knew that could happen to eyes and size of head.

 

4. Vic said he was out by the end of VCS.

- True, he said there's no way he's dealing anymore because he's got all he was out for when he was in the army but instead with the empire. He leaves it behind and lays low. Lance is good at convincing? But what excuses are there when Vic has no longer anything to worry about? At first we could understand he needed the money and all, but now he's sent the needed money to Pete and it's done.

 

5. Lance after being ignored by Vic could have asked Pete to team up in Vice City and do the drug deal.

- Lance was the pilot, in VCS Vic told him to never ever drive again after "Jive Drive", plus in the deals in VCS it was always Lance who traded with the buyers/dealers and Vic was only there to save him from trouble. In VC it's the complete opposite?

 

 

There are more and more I can add-on but for now it's enough.

I agree with this. Everything are good reasons that IT IS PETE NOT VIC

[zainprox]

Wait, first you say it's Vic who dies and then come up with reasons that it is Pete instead?

 

Also, Vic never operated the businesses with Lance, he only saved him when deals would go wrong.

no. im stating the possibilities.why i say vic dies and why i say he dose'nt

[nerner]

no. im stating the possibilities.why i say vic dies and why i say he dose'nt

Sorry but what?

[Pierre grove]

no. im stating the possibilities.why i say vic dies and why i say he dose'nt

Sorry but what?

Vic is dead.

 

 

In the mission back alley brawl lance states he wants his 20 keys,His dead brother's white girl(Loiuse cassidy).

 

He even's call tommy stating his brother treated him like a kid(Which vic did in vcs because lance acted like one)

 

 

[nerner]

Just because Vic treated him like a kid, doesn't mean that Pete didn't treat him like a kid...

 

And how do you know that Pete didn't have his own white girl? And white girl is also slang for cocaine by the way.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Vic is dead.

 

 

In the mission back alley brawl lance states he wants his 20 keys,His dead brother's white girl(Loiuse cassidy).

 

He even's call tommy stating his brother treated him like a kid(Which vic did in vcs because lance acted like one)

Lance says "my dead brother's white lady" and white lady means cocaine. Why would he want Louise's corpse? It just doesn't sound right. Besides, she didn't exist when Vice City was made.

[nerner]

Lance says "my dead brother's white lady" and white lady means cocaine. Why would he want Louise's corpse? It just doesn't sound right. Besides, she didn't exist when Vice City was made.

Basically what I just said above you.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Yeah, but I added a little more detail into what I said.

[nerner]

Yeah, but the point was still there. It is good that we agree, together we can hold back the tides of non-believers and stem the flow of blasphemy. Lol.

 

[zainprox]

both lance and vic were in the chopper. maybe they just presed L and up to recruit someone and made him hand over the drugs.

[Algonquin Assassin]

I honestly don't believe the person killed at the start of VC is Vic.

 

They look nothing alike for starters. I mean yeah Toni changes dramatically from LCS to GTA III, but you can still see that it's the same person. This guy, and Vic share no resemblance at all. IMO

 

 

[Flesh-n-Bone]

I honestly don't believe the person killed at the start of VC is Vic.

 

They look nothing alike for starters. I mean yeah Toni changes dramatically from LCS to GTA III, but you can still see that it's the same person. This guy, and Vic share no resemblance at all. IMO

Exactly what I've been trying to say. Plus, Toni is criticized throughout LCS for being thin and told that he doesn't eat well. That surely made him go angry and start eating a bunch of pizzas to gain so much weight.

[Algonquin Assassin]

Yeah, and another thing is his accent. Vic never spoke in that accent in VCS. Why would he suddenly start using it 2 years later? Hmmm.

 

I know everyone has an opinion, but there are stacks of evidence that support that it's not him, rather than the opposite.

 

Finally we agree on something FnB. lol

 

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Yeah, and another thing is his accent. Vic never spoke in that accent in VCS. Why would he suddenly start using it 2 years later? Hmmm.

 

I know everyone has an opinion, but there are stacks of evidence that support that it's not him, rather than the opposite.

 

Finally we agree on something FnB. lol

And that's exactly what I've been trying to put across in my messages on every thread concerning Vic Vance in 1986.

 

...and finally!

[Omnia sunt Communia]

I think that, originally, Lance's brother wasn't meant to be named. I can't remember him being called Vic or Victor at all during Vice City. He was just Lance's brother, and nothing else. Even if he was meant to be Victor - I think Rockstar retconned him to become Pete, instead.

 

I mean they look, act, speak, and even dress differently. Rockstar might of wanted that to be Victor in Vice City but they created the character of Pete to fill his Hawaiian Shirt, so to speak. Just like how Toni was retconned to be skinny in Liberty City Stories (though that may be a bit different).